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"You can't discount a PM based on length of service when they are no longer in the job. Truss Johnson May Brown Callaghan" Yes, I know Callaghan isn't 21st century but I've arbitrarily chosen my lifetime instead. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. "I found this really tricky. I have "worst" as a combination of most self-serving, worst for British people, and worst for foreign policy (starting pointless wars). From worst, to least worst. Boris Blair Cameron May Truss Brown Sunak Sunak has potential to race up the chart, and Truss would undoubtedly be higher, but she didn't have enough time to do any further damage. | |||
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"You can't discount a PM based on length of service when they are no longer in the job. Truss Johnson May Brown Callaghan" Obviously Truss was a disaster in one sense but I don't know how you can fairly judge anyone in any role after a few weeks. Sunak I can't judge until he's done. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
I found this really tricky. I have "worst" as a combination of most self-serving, worst for British people, and worst for foreign policy (starting pointless wars).
From worst, to least worst.
Boris
Blair
Cameron
May
Truss
Brown
Sunak
Sunak has potential to race up the chart, and Truss would undoubtedly be higher, but she didn't have enough time to do any further damage. "Interesting and thanks. I guess if you judge Blair mostly on Iraq then many would have him as the worst. | |||
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"Any opinion on this will be both subjective (what was my life like in that period) and skewed by your general political views. Saying that for me: WORST 1. Cameron (started us down the path of no return causing untold financial and societal damage to the UK before running away to leave the mess for someone else to sort out) 2. Johnson (corrupt, compromised, lazy, overtly self serving) 3. Truss (thick a mince, mad as a box of frogs, and caused huge financial damage) 4. Sunak (a snake who is clearly putting his own interests first and doesn’t give a shit a out people of this country) 5. May (weak and lacked decisive backbone) 6. Brown (Saved us from financial armageddon but skewed from time as chancellor when he tinkered with taxes too much creating the complex mess we have + raided pensions) 7. Blair (did a lot of good but has Iraq and PPP as his lasting legacy) LEAST WORSE" Blimey, we agree on the worst and least worst ! Thanks for those thoughts. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 02/01/23 18:46:19]" This one is really tricky as history and time tend to even things out. Truss was a disaster but the system itself rectified it as soon as she lost 30bn. So I’d say. EDEN, JOHNSON, MAY, CAMERON and DISRAELI yup. They are the worst in my humble. Mainly for the same reason, lack of foresight, blind party loyalty over country and bad financial management. May gets a slight pass because she was basically in the wake of the shit bundle that Cameron left on the desk. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 02/01/23 18:46:19] This one is really tricky as history and time tend to even things out. Truss was a disaster but the system itself rectified it as soon as she lost 30bn. So I’d say. EDEN, JOHNSON, MAY, CAMERON and DISRAELI yup. They are the worst in my humble. Mainly for the same reason, lack of foresight, blind party loyalty over country and bad financial management. May gets a slight pass because she was basically in the wake of the shit bundle that Cameron left on the desk. " The 'losing 30bn' is a total myth. That is the value of Govt bonds which were guaranteed but only a few million was spent. The thread did say Worst in 21st Century | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in".. "Stand by for the Corbynites to show up... | |||
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"Tricky list to make... If it's damage per day for the time in power, Truss races to the top of the list. If it's damage to the office of PM, Johnson tops the list easily. If it's damage done to this country, Cameron tops it for Brexit. If it's damage done to sections of the middle east, Blair's a shoo in." There's definitely multiple ways to define "worst". It's a good thread by the OP and interesting to see how people answer. | |||
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"Tricky list to make... If it's damage per day for the time in power, Truss races to the top of the list. If it's damage to the office of PM, Johnson tops the list easily. If it's damage done to this country, Cameron tops it for Brexit. If it's damage done to sections of the middle east, Blair's a shoo in. There's definitely multiple ways to define "worst". It's a good thread by the OP and interesting to see how people answer." Johnson has to get bonus points for being the most dishonest & corrupt in office. | |||
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"Blair truss so fucking corrupt and only in it for themselfs look at the last 12yrs" The UK enjoyed some prosperity under Blair's Labour Government, wars aside. We can't say the same thing for the last 13 years under the Conservatives. | |||
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"Blair truss so fucking corrupt and only in it for themselfs look at the last 12yrs The UK enjoyed some prosperity under Blair's Labour Government, wars aside. We can't say the same thing for the last 13 years under the Conservatives." That's not true. Some Tory donors have become v wealthy indeed. Mone, for instance... | |||
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"Blair truss so fucking corrupt and only in it for themselfs look at the last 12yrs" I’m no fan of Blair due to Iraq , however during the labour term the economy grew far more than in the last two terms of Tory controlled government over twenty years. The deregulated banking system brought the labour government down. Greedy bankers. The last 12 years have just been incompetence. If bankers bonuses were starting to be paid three years after the crash why wasn’t the rest of the country recovered? I don’t know the answer but it has not been labour making this country so poor and in such a state as we are now. It’s weak incompetent government followed by lying clueless government then neo-liberal fantasy government crashing the economy . Now as another poster pointed out we have a smiling toothless administrator who is far to out of his depth. | |||
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"Tricky list to make... If it's damage per day for the time in power, Truss races to the top of the list. If it's damage to the office of PM, Johnson tops the list easily. If it's damage done to this country, Cameron tops it for Brexit. If it's damage done to sections of the middle east, Blair's a shoo in." I think all of that is fair comment. | |||
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"Tricky list to make... If it's damage per day for the time in power, Truss races to the top of the list. If it's damage to the office of PM, Johnson tops the list easily. If it's damage done to this country, Cameron tops it for Brexit. If it's damage done to sections of the middle east, Blair's a shoo in." NiceLy put.  | |||
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"Blair truss so fucking corrupt and only in it for themselfs look at the last 12yrs The UK enjoyed some prosperity under Blair's Labour Government, wars aside. We can't say the same thing for the last 13 years under the Conservatives." Was Blair luckier or more skillfull ? | |||
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"The last set of Tory PMs don't have a leg to stand on " It's true Boris was often legless. | |||
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"The last set of Tory PMs don't have a leg to stand on It's true Boris was often legless." Hilarious From Truss to Cameron. Shite. | |||
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"Any opinion on this will be both subjective (what was my life like in that period) and skewed by your general political views. Saying that for me: WORST 1. Cameron (started us down the path of no return causing untold financial and societal damage to the UK before running away to leave the mess for someone else to sort out) 2. Johnson (corrupt, compromised, lazy, overtly self serving) 3. Truss (thick a mince, mad as a box of frogs, and caused huge financial damage) 4. Sunak (a snake who is clearly putting his own interests first and doesn’t give a shit a out people of this country) 5. May (weak and lacked decisive backbone) 6. Brown (Saved us from financial armageddon but skewed from time as chancellor when he tinkered with taxes too much creating the complex mess we have + raided pensions) 7. Blair (did a lot of good but has Iraq and PPP as his lasting legacy) LEAST WORSE" Yeah that makes sense, We have had 12 years of tory instability and insecurity, all to make their chums richer and the rest of us poorer. | |||
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"Any opinion on this will be both subjective (what was my life like in that period) and skewed by your general political views. Saying that for me: WORST 1. Cameron (started us down the path of no return causing untold financial and societal damage to the UK before running away to leave the mess for someone else to sort out) 2. Johnson (corrupt, compromised, lazy, overtly self serving) 3. Truss (thick a mince, mad as a box of frogs, and caused huge financial damage) 4. Sunak (a snake who is clearly putting his own interests first and doesn’t give a shit a out people of this country) 5. May (weak and lacked decisive backbone) 6. Brown (Saved us from financial armageddon but skewed from time as chancellor when he tinkered with taxes too much creating the complex mess we have + raided pensions) 7. Blair (did a lot of good but has Iraq and PPP as his lasting legacy) LEAST WORSE" Would have to put Margaret Thatcher at the to privatised everything would have sold her self for another term. She only got a 3rd term buy giving labour voterts the right to buy. Now we are still short of social housing. All utilities are a shower of shit. Rail NHS go back before her and press reset. | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown " I love how Sunak has made your list and he hasn't had time to be good or bad | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown I love how Sunak has made your list and he hasn't had time to be good or bad "Predictably some replies are the normal FuCK tHe ToRIes fare that makes the Politics section so boring, but others gave the question serious thought. | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown I love how Sunak has made your list and he hasn't had time to be good or bad
Predictably some replies are the normal FuCK tHe ToRIes fare that makes the Politics section so boring, but others gave the question serious thought."I gave it ‘serious thought’ and that is my list, btw, Sunak has been in the job longer than Truss | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. "I prefer to take a positive approach to life . That may not fit in with some of the merchants of doom and gloom who are constantly logged on here . We are privileged to have had some great prime minsters . I will list the pms and true success stories on order of rank. 1. Boris Johnson. One of the greatest politicians of all time . His election result and managing the Covid 19 crisis are self explanatory. A true success story who can mix with everyone and was loved by the people 2. David Camerson. Another success story and man of the people. He allowed us have a referendum and when we look back in history this will be regarded as one of the greatest achievements in recent history. 3. Theresa May. A very succesfull vicars daughter with a banker husband. She did a great job despite the attempts of disgruntled remainers who sabotaged her efforts at every attempt. 4. Liz Truss had the potential to be an all time great. A qualified accountant who was given no time to let her policies run . She made a grave error in resigning. 5. Tony Blair . Another all time great but his policy on immigration was a fiasco. Winning three elections in a row is no mean achievement and his wife ; a qualified barrister is a success story in her own right as are their children 6. Rishi Sunak. A traitor who has failed to thank Boris Johnson for his success. A lot of people have ideas as to what should happen to traitors. 7. Gordon Brown . I was working too hard to notice what he was doing. There is a lot more to life than politics. In summary Boris was an all time great and few can match the success of Tony Blair. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. I prefer to take a positive approach to life . That may not fit in with some of the merchants of doom and gloom who are constantly logged on here . We are privileged to have had some great prime minsters . I will list the pms and true success stories on order of rank.
1. Boris Johnson. One of the greatest politicians of all time . His election result and managing the Covid 19 crisis are self explanatory. A true success story who can mix with everyone and was loved by the people
2. David Camerson. Another success story and man of the people. He allowed us have a referendum and when we look back in history this will be regarded as one of the greatest achievements in recent history.
3. Theresa May. A very succesfull vicars daughter with a banker husband. She did a great job despite the attempts of disgruntled remainers who sabotaged her efforts at every attempt.
4. Liz Truss had the potential to be an all time great. A qualified accountant who was given no time to let her policies run . She made a grave error in resigning.
5. Tony Blair . Another all time great but his policy on immigration was a fiasco. Winning three elections in a row is no mean achievement and his wife ; a qualified barrister is a success story in her own right as are their children
6. Rishi Sunak. A traitor who has failed to thank Boris Johnson for his success. A lot of people have ideas as to what should happen to traitors.
7. Gordon Brown . I was working too hard to notice what he was doing. There is a lot more to life than politics.
In summary Boris was an all time great and few can match the success of Tony Blair. "Absolutely amazing. Pat wins, as usual. | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown I love how Sunak has made your list and he hasn't had time to be good or bad
Predictably some replies are the normal FuCK tHe ToRIes fare that makes the Politics section so boring, but others gave the question serious thought.
I gave it ‘serious thought’ and that is my list, btw, Sunak has been in the job longer than Truss "What reasons for worst PM did you find for Sunak? | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown " What has Sunak done that make him worse than Blair?  | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown What has Sunak done that make him worse than Blair? "I suspect for many it is what he did before running for parliament, his wife’s very questionable Non-Dom status, the fact that despite telling British companies to cease trading with Russia his wife’s family company Infosys (which is Indian admittedly) continued to do so, that as Chancellor he oversaw further IR35 nonsense that has destroyed contracting for many and seen big consultancies (like Infosys go figure) hoover up work previously undertaken by British freelancers. There’s more but hey ho, the man is a snake. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. I prefer to take a positive approach to life . That may not fit in with some of the merchants of doom and gloom who are constantly logged on here . We are privileged to have had some great prime minsters . I will list the pms and true success stories on order of rank.
1. Boris Johnson. One of the greatest politicians of all time . His election result and managing the Covid 19 crisis are self explanatory. A true success story who can mix with everyone and was loved by the people
2. David Camerson. Another success story and man of the people. He allowed us have a referendum and when we look back in history this will be regarded as one of the greatest achievements in recent history.
3. Theresa May. A very succesfull vicars daughter with a banker husband. She did a great job despite the attempts of disgruntled remainers who sabotaged her efforts at every attempt.
4. Liz Truss had the potential to be an all time great. A qualified accountant who was given no time to let her policies run . She made a grave error in resigning.
5. Tony Blair . Another all time great but his policy on immigration was a fiasco. Winning three elections in a row is no mean achievement and his wife ; a qualified barrister is a success story in her own right as are their children
6. Rishi Sunak. A traitor who has failed to thank Boris Johnson for his success. A lot of people have ideas as to what should happen to traitors.
7. Gordon Brown . I was working too hard to notice what he was doing. There is a lot more to life than politics.
In summary Boris was an all time great and few can match the success of Tony Blair.
Absolutely amazing.
Pat wins, as usual. "I like the glass is half full type of guys. But he tells you a empty glass is full and only he can see the invisible liquid. | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown What has Sunak done that make him worse than Blair?
I suspect for many it is what he did before running for parliament, his wife’s very questionable Non-Dom status, the fact that despite telling British companies to cease trading with Russia his wife’s family company Infosys (which is Indian admittedly) continued to do so, that as Chancellor he oversaw further IR35 nonsense that has destroyed contracting for many and seen big consultancies (like Infosys go figure) hoover up work previously undertaken by British freelancers. There’s more but hey ho, the man is a snake."I get all of that and wouldn't argue against any of it. However, the question was who was the worst PM. I was initially shocked but then realised it wasn't shocking at all coming from that particular poster. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. I prefer to take a positive approach to life . That may not fit in with some of the merchants of doom and gloom who are constantly logged on here . We are privileged to have had some great prime minsters . I will list the pms and true success stories on order of rank.
1. Boris Johnson. One of the greatest politicians of all time . His election result and managing the Covid 19 crisis are self explanatory. A true success story who can mix with everyone and was loved by the people
2. David Camerson. Another success story and man of the people. He allowed us have a referendum and when we look back in history this will be regarded as one of the greatest achievements in recent history.
3. Theresa May. A very succesfull vicars daughter with a banker husband. She did a great job despite the attempts of disgruntled remainers who sabotaged her efforts at every attempt.
4. Liz Truss had the potential to be an all time great. A qualified accountant who was given no time to let her policies run . She made a grave error in resigning.
5. Tony Blair . Another all time great but his policy on immigration was a fiasco. Winning three elections in a row is no mean achievement and his wife ; a qualified barrister is a success story in her own right as are their children
6. Rishi Sunak. A traitor who has failed to thank Boris Johnson for his success. A lot of people have ideas as to what should happen to traitors.
7. Gordon Brown . I was working too hard to notice what he was doing. There is a lot more to life than politics.
In summary Boris was an all time great and few can match the success of Tony Blair.
Absolutely amazing.
Pat wins, as usual.
I like the glass is half full type of guys. But he tells you a empty glass is full and only he can see the invisible liquid. "Also, just noticed you nominated him above Blair too. I am shocked by that. You're reasoning is he's a snake? Is there anything he's actually done in office that ranks him above Blair? | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown What has Sunak done that make him worse than Blair?
I suspect for many it is what he did before running for parliament, his wife’s very questionable Non-Dom status, the fact that despite telling British companies to cease trading with Russia his wife’s family company Infosys (which is Indian admittedly) continued to do so, that as Chancellor he oversaw further IR35 nonsense that has destroyed contracting for many and seen big consultancies (like Infosys go figure) hoover up work previously undertaken by British freelancers. There’s more but hey ho, the man is a snake.
I get all of that and wouldn't argue against any of it. However, the question was who was the worst PM.
I was initially shocked but then realised it wasn't shocking at all coming from that particular poster."Sunak’s train crash interview with Laura K illustrates why he is not a good PM. He is totally out of touch. He hasn’t got a clue about normal people’s lives. Just look at his chat with the homeless person in the “soup kitchen” PR stunt he did! When Laura K asked if £18k a year was right for Care Workers and whether he would work for that, his response basically implied he was far too important and what he did mattered (it does but so do Care Workers). He refuses to say if he uses the NHS or private healthcare. clearly with his wealth it is the latter, as would most of us, but that underlines how he either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. I prefer to take a positive approach to life . That may not fit in with some of the merchants of doom and gloom who are constantly logged on here . We are privileged to have had some great prime minsters . I will list the pms and true success stories on order of rank.
1. Boris Johnson. One of the greatest politicians of all time . His election result and managing the Covid 19 crisis are self explanatory. A true success story who can mix with everyone and was loved by the people
2. David Camerson. Another success story and man of the people. He allowed us have a referendum and when we look back in history this will be regarded as one of the greatest achievements in recent history.
3. Theresa May. A very succesfull vicars daughter with a banker husband. She did a great job despite the attempts of disgruntled remainers who sabotaged her efforts at every attempt.
4. Liz Truss had the potential to be an all time great. A qualified accountant who was given no time to let her policies run . She made a grave error in resigning.
5. Tony Blair . Another all time great but his policy on immigration was a fiasco. Winning three elections in a row is no mean achievement and his wife ; a qualified barrister is a success story in her own right as are their children
6. Rishi Sunak. A traitor who has failed to thank Boris Johnson for his success. A lot of people have ideas as to what should happen to traitors.
7. Gordon Brown . I was working too hard to notice what he was doing. There is a lot more to life than politics.
In summary Boris was an all time great and few can match the success of Tony Blair. "Not as subtle as many of your posts Pat. The humour is obvious here whereas sometimes it isn’t as clear if you are trolling. | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown I love how Sunak has made your list and he hasn't had time to be good or bad
Predictably some replies are the normal FuCK tHe ToRIes fare that makes the Politics section so boring, but others gave the question serious thought.
I gave it ‘serious thought’ and that is my list, btw, Sunak has been in the job longer than Truss
What reasons for worst PM did you find for Sunak?"I didn’t make him the worst | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. I prefer to take a positive approach to life . That may not fit in with some of the merchants of doom and gloom who are constantly logged on here . We are privileged to have had some great prime minsters . I will list the pms and true success stories on order of rank.
1. Boris Johnson. One of the greatest politicians of all time . His election result and managing the Covid 19 crisis are self explanatory. A true success story who can mix with everyone and was loved by the people
2. David Camerson. Another success story and man of the people. He allowed us have a referendum and when we look back in history this will be regarded as one of the greatest achievements in recent history.
3. Theresa May. A very succesfull vicars daughter with a banker husband. She did a great job despite the attempts of disgruntled remainers who sabotaged her efforts at every attempt.
4. Liz Truss had the potential to be an all time great. A qualified accountant who was given no time to let her policies run . She made a grave error in resigning.
5. Tony Blair . Another all time great but his policy on immigration was a fiasco. Winning three elections in a row is no mean achievement and his wife ; a qualified barrister is a success story in her own right as are their children
6. Rishi Sunak. A traitor who has failed to thank Boris Johnson for his success. A lot of people have ideas as to what should happen to traitors.
7. Gordon Brown . I was working too hard to notice what he was doing. There is a lot more to life than politics.
In summary Boris was an all time great and few can match the success of Tony Blair.
Not as subtle as many of your posts Pat. The humour is obvious here whereas sometimes it isn’t as clear if you are trolling."Please do not use this thread to have private digs at other posters. | |||
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"Starting with the worst Truss Johnson Cameron Sunak May Blair Brown What has Sunak done that make him worse than Blair?
I suspect for many it is what he did before running for parliament, his wife’s very questionable Non-Dom status, the fact that despite telling British companies to cease trading with Russia his wife’s family company Infosys (which is Indian admittedly) continued to do so, that as Chancellor he oversaw further IR35 nonsense that has destroyed contracting for many and seen big consultancies (like Infosys go figure) hoover up work previously undertaken by British freelancers. There’s more but hey ho, the man is a snake.
I get all of that and wouldn't argue against any of it. However, the question was who was the worst PM.
I was initially shocked but then realised it wasn't shocking at all coming from that particular poster.
Sunak’s train crash interview with Laura K illustrates why he is not a good PM. He is totally out of touch. He hasn’t got a clue about normal people’s lives. Just look at his chat with the homeless person in the “soup kitchen” PR stunt he did! When Laura K asked if £18k a year was right for Care Workers and whether he would work for that, his response basically implied he was far too important and what he did mattered (it does but so do Care Workers). He refuses to say if he uses the NHS or private healthcare. clearly with his wealth it is the latter, as would most of us, but that underlines how he either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care."One of our previous politics posters was very fond of questioning Rishis loyalty to England and it got diverted into a just because he’s brown he can’t be British and loyal to the flag rant and there were consequences. The problem I have now is that I am feeling some sympathy towards that point of view because it appears to me that Rishi the technocratic ex-banker is just playing a role and doesn’t appear to have either empathy, understanding or connection with the general public, and I am feeling a sense of betrayal and disassociation from the current government that I haven’t felt for many years. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in".. "Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in".. "Labour supporters say this more than Toey supporters | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list "Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss... | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list "We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit Facts | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss..."Did Corbyn win any election NO Did Boris YES | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts "thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years..... Labour don’t win elections FACT | |||
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"B-liar. No one comes near to him for ruined economy, illegal wars, open borders, mass immigration, disposal of Dr Kelly, and his shenanigans since leaving office. " Well said | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT"Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections. Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact. FACT  | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES "You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election? You have a v strange mind. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT "They haven’t won many! Thank god | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind."We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10 | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10"We definitely know how incompetent Boris and Truss were | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god "As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine). So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?) | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10
We definitely know how incompetent Boris and Truss were "You say Boris was incompetent and yet Corbyn still got hammered in the 2019 GE! Surely Corbyn should of walked into No 10 | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10
We definitely know how incompetent Boris and Truss were
You say Boris was incompetent and yet Corbyn still got hammered in the 2019 GE!
Surely Corbyn should of walked into No 10 "Why? The country didn’t think he was good enough to be PM, they chose Boris who turned out to be incompetent and was sacked for lying. The Tory members then chose Truss who was sacked for being incompetent and as thick as shit. Corbyn might have been useless, might have been decent, we will never know, we definitely know Truss and Boris were useless | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)"A fair and even world is something that will never exist sadly. Plenty of politicians are hypocrites but sadly labour and the political left seem to be worse,just one example quite a few of the current shadow cabinet want to get rid of private schools after most have sent their own children to private schools. Plus how can Starmer / Corbyn and plenty of others talk about a level and even society when sitting in their million pound houses... In answer to your question I did fairly well in my working life. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
A fair and even world is something that will never exist sadly. Plenty of politicians are hypocrites but sadly labour and the political left seem to be worse,just one example quite a few of the current shadow cabinet want to get rid of private schools after most have sent their own children to private schools. Plus how can Starmer / Corbyn and plenty of others talk about a level and even society when sitting in their million pound houses...
In answer to your question I did fairly well in my working life.
"I agree on the hypocrisy around private schools. I don’t agree on your second point though. I don’t hear them saying a “level and even society” that is only theoretically possible through Communism and even then it simply isn’t true. What is talked about is a fairer and more equitable society. One where workers get paid fairly and have rights to avoid being exploited. Where public services are well funded (something you disproportionately rely on the poorer you are). A society that says the richest should pay a bit more to help the poorest (because a healthier, happier society is more productive and the rich therefore benefit from living in such a society). The value of someone’s house is not really an indicator of their values. They may have just got lucky, bought in right place at right time. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10"That's rather the point. We'll never know how competent/incompetent Corbyn may have been as PM. But we know v well how incompetent Johnson & Truss were as PM. They both proved to be awful at the job. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)"I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail."What excuse do the 'left' have for being so full for 'anger & hatred' seeing as none of them read the mail? I prime example is 'no fucking tories'. We see it very often. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
What excuse do the 'left' have for being so full for 'anger & hatred' seeing as none of them read the mail?
I prime example is 'no fucking tories'. We see it very often."Possibly they're angry at the real damage done to this country by successive Tory PMs? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
What excuse do the 'left' have for being so full for 'anger & hatred' seeing as none of them read the mail?
I prime example is 'no fucking tories'. We see it very often."Why do you think it is only the ‘left’ thar hate tories? The reform party want to ‘destroy’ then at the next election and I doubt they are left wing | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
What excuse do the 'left' have for being so full for 'anger & hatred' seeing as none of them read the mail?
I prime example is 'no fucking tories'. We see it very often."Is it anger at the government ripping off British people, serving themselves, lying to the public, using distraction techniques 'look at those people over there in a small boat'? Different type of anger maybe? The stereotype of Daily Mail anger is people who blame foriegners, brown people, trans people, Muslims etc for all the problems, meanwhile getting angry at anyone who points out that their ire might be better directed to those with all the power and money. "Hatred" seems more personal. Not keen on hateful people regardless where they stand politically. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10
That's rather the point. We'll never know how competent/incompetent Corbyn may have been as PM. But we know v well how incompetent Johnson & Truss were as PM. They both proved to be awful at the job.
"I’m guessing you are on the left of politics so you are never going to approve of a conservative government whatever. If labour did a better job of appealing to the majority then you and all the other left leaning voters would have the government you wish for | |||
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The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail."The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives "I don't hate the conservatives. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10
That's rather the point. We'll never know how competent/incompetent Corbyn may have been as PM. But we know v well how incompetent Johnson & Truss were as PM. They both proved to be awful at the job.
I’m guessing you are on the left of politics so you are never going to approve of a conservative government whatever. If labour did a better job of appealing to the majority then you and all the other left leaning voters would have the government you wish for "I would approve of a conservative (or any party government) government if they did what was right for British people, prioritised looking after the country, brought in policies that are good, weren't a corrupt bunch of narcissists. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
"I think it's a false equivalence to say being angry at foreigners, brown people, and various minority Groups is the same as being angry at the government and people who voted for them. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
"The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories | |||
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"labour and conservative voters are never going to agree....." I voted for the Lib Dem’s at the last 2 GE’s | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories "Hate | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories "Did I say the Reform Party are left? Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?"You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
I think it's a false equivalence to say being angry at foreigners, brown people, and various minority Groups is the same as being angry at the government and people who voted for them."False equivalence? I asked what publication we should blame on the left being full of 'anger and hatred' towards the right. Or maybe we could just argue that its not as bad so it's OK | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them "I gave you an example... I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter."How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
I think it's a false equivalence to say being angry at foreigners, brown people, and various minority Groups is the same as being angry at the government and people who voted for them.
False equivalence? I asked what publication we should blame on the left being full of 'anger and hatred' towards the right.
Or maybe we could just argue that its not as bad so it's OK "I don't think there is a publication that you could call "left" that promotes hate towards any group. Not that I know of. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree "You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
I think it's a false equivalence to say being angry at foreigners, brown people, and various minority Groups is the same as being angry at the government and people who voted for them.
False equivalence? I asked what publication we should blame on the left being full of 'anger and hatred' towards the right.
Or maybe we could just argue that its not as bad so it's OK
I don't think there is a publication that you could call "left" that promotes hate towards any group. Not that I know of."So the left are free thinking but tories are brainwashed. Got it | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
I think it's a false equivalence to say being angry at foreigners, brown people, and various minority Groups is the same as being angry at the government and people who voted for them.
False equivalence? I asked what publication we should blame on the left being full of 'anger and hatred' towards the right.
Or maybe we could just argue that its not as bad so it's OK
I don't think there is a publication that you could call "left" that promotes hate towards any group. Not that I know of.
So the left are free thinking but tories are brainwashed. Got it "If you say so. That's not what I am saying. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough"How many reform voters do you know? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know? "Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off."Ah, not good enough | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Ah, not good enough "If its not good enough for you that's cool with me, you're the one who replied to me, remember? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Ah, not good enough
If its not good enough for you that's cool with me, you're the one who replied to me, remember?
"Yes, that’s correct , | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off."Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ? "Can't you tell the difference? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
Yup he was so much more incompetent than the likes of Johnson & Truss...
Did Corbyn win any election NO
Did Boris YES
You think Corbyn was more incompetent than a corrupt, serial liar who was forced from power after a record number of his own MPs resigned & a fuckwit who cost us tens of billions in record time? Just because he lost an election?
You have a v strange mind.
We will never know how incompetent Corbyn would have been as the Voters made sure he got nowhere near No10
That's rather the point. We'll never know how competent/incompetent Corbyn may have been as PM. But we know v well how incompetent Johnson & Truss were as PM. They both proved to be awful at the job.
I’m guessing you are on the left of politics so you are never going to approve of a conservative government whatever. If labour did a better job of appealing to the majority then you and all the other left leaning voters would have the government you wish for "Actually I'd approve of a Tory government if they acted in the best interests of the country. I've yet to see them do that... | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?"Can you tell just by looking at them? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives "It's not quite the same, if you think about it. I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune. You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?
Can you tell just by looking at them? "Pretty sure we've been speaking about written words. What planet are you on? Because it sure as shit isn't this one. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?
Can you tell just by looking at them?
Pretty sure we've been speaking about written words. What planet are you on? Because it sure as shit isn't this one."I see, you said you could see them from a mile off? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?
Can you tell just by looking at them?
Pretty sure we've been speaking about written words. What planet are you on? Because it sure as shit isn't this one.
I see, you said you could see them from a mile off? "I definitely did not
Btw, even if I did, you do 'see' the written word.
At not point have I spoken about looking at a person and knowing which way they vote. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. "If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact. If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him. There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing. | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?
Can you tell just by looking at them?
Pretty sure we've been speaking about written words. What planet are you on? Because it sure as shit isn't this one.
I see, you said you could see them from a mile off?
I definitely did not
Btw, even if I did, you do 'see' the written word.
At not point have I spoken about looking at a person and knowing which way they vote."Yes, sorry, you said you can tell the difference between a leftie and a reform voter a mile off? Using the ‘written word’ | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing."True, 12 years of Tory rule and getting Brexit done and we are worse off than we were over 12 years ago | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?
Can you tell just by looking at them?
Pretty sure we've been speaking about written words. What planet are you on? Because it sure as shit isn't this one.
I see, you said you could see them from a mile off?
I definitely did not
Btw, even if I did, you do 'see' the written word.
At not point have I spoken about looking at a person and knowing which way they vote.
Yes, sorry, you said you can tell the difference between a leftie and a reform voter a mile off? Using the ‘written word’ "That's what I said? Can't you tell the difference? | |||
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"Wow. Hit a real 180 there didn't I
The 3 usual suspects straight onto that
I referred to the left as it's always 'lefties' who have the particular phrase I used on their media profiles.
I just wondered which publication we can blame that on.
The reform party are not ‘lefties’ and they have the tories
Did I say the Reform Party are left?
Why are you replying about something that has nothing to do with what I said?
You mentioned the ‘left’ hating the tories, I was pointing out that it isn’t just the left that hate them
I gave you an example...
I was talking about ordinary voters, not parties. I've personally never seen a Reform voter full of 'anger & hatred'towards a Tory voter.
How many reform voters do you know? Their leader wants to destroy the tories so I would have thought their voters would agree
You would have thought? Yeah, that's not good enough
How many reform voters do you know?
Does it matter? I've already told you I've never personally seen a Reform voter write that. I've seen plenty on the left write it, how for I know you ask? Because you can tell a 'leftie' from a Reform voter a mile off.
Btw, how can you tell the difference between a ‘leftie’ and a reform voter ?
Can't you tell the difference?
Can you tell just by looking at them?
Pretty sure we've been speaking about written words. What planet are you on? Because it sure as shit isn't this one.
I see, you said you could see them from a mile off?
I definitely did not
Btw, even if I did, you do 'see' the written word.
At not point have I spoken about looking at a person and knowing which way they vote.
Yes, sorry, you said you can tell the difference between a leftie and a reform voter a mile off? Using the ‘written word’
That's what I said? Can't you tell the difference?"No, not from a mile off, | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing."Blaire would have been the best PM in my lifetime had it not been for the Iraq war. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing.
Blaire would have been the best PM in my lifetime had it not been for the Iraq war."He probably is the best of my lifetime even with the bad points | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing.
Blaire would have been the best PM in my lifetime had it not been for the Iraq war.
He probably is the best of my lifetime even with the bad points"ditto on the domestic front. But Iraq is such a huge stain on his record. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing.
Blaire would have been the best PM in my lifetime had it not been for the Iraq war.
He probably is the best of my lifetime even with the bad points
ditto on the domestic front. But Iraq is such a huge stain on his record."Every world leader in every country has successes and fuck-ups during their time in office. The longer the tenure, the more successes and fuck-ups there will be. Considering his length of time in office, Iraq was really only the one stain on his record and don’t imagine that any other U.K. political leader at the time would have acted any differently. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing.
Blaire would have been the best PM in my lifetime had it not been for the Iraq war."I’d add PPP but yep I agree. Blair screwed his own legacy. But for the majority of the country the late 90s early 00s were the best of times. | |||
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"It appears as though Shapps may think Johnson was our worse PM , airbrushing him out of the picture only a few months after being forced out of office " I saw that. And it was a shitty airbrushing job too. Shapps couldn't even get that right. | |||
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"labour and conservative voters are never going to agree..... I voted for the Lib Dem’s at the last 2 GE’s " How did that work out for you? You voted for a party who lost 50% of its Mp’s including its leader in 2019 | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?"Of course it’s the same kind of hatred! And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing."I’m not sure I remember the Blair years to be quite as rosy as you make out | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service.
If you think back to the Blair years, we were all pretty well off in those days. The NHS was fully functioning, waiting lists had been slashed, homelessness had all but been eradicated and there was a feel good factor right across the country. Tony Blair was one of our most successful Prime Ministers and the electoral records are indisputable of that fact.
If you consider that since 2010, everything in this country, by every matrix and every concept of measurement has got worse. Then it is reasonable to say that the four worst Prime Ministers have been Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss. Sunak has until the next election to rescue himself for this inglorious hall of infamy, but as he is not doing such a great job at the moment - things are not looking too great for him.
There is literally nothing in this country’s infrastructure that has got better since 2010. Literally Nothing.
I’m not sure I remember the Blair years to be quite as rosy as you make out "Your experience is subjective and I guess your 20s may not have been great? But by every metric that time period was the best for the UK as a whole. Never has govt debt or deficit been so low, public services so well funded and well functioning (check out the NHS waiting lists from that period and compare). Not all down to Blair and the Labour Govt, there was also an economic boom (helped by Govt policy) that increased tax receipts.  It was also when I got into swinging, the eta of Fever Parties, my career took off, and when I met my future wife, so was a pretty good time personally! | |||
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"labour and conservative voters are never going to agree..... I voted for the Lib Dem’s at the last 2 GE’s How did that work out for you? You voted for a party who lost 50% of its Mp’s including its leader in 2019" How dif voting for Boris and the tories in 2019 work out for you ? Boris sacked Truss made leader, then sacked Worst inflation in 40 years Worst living standards in 40 years NHS on its knees Countries fucked Tories predicted to get wiped out at next GE | |||
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"labour and conservative voters are never going to agree..... I voted for the Lib Dem’s at the last 2 GE’s How did that work out for you? You voted for a party who lost 50% of its Mp’s including its leader in 2019" It worked out a total fucking disaster for everyone. The Tories got voted in. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision "Socialism sucks right… Who needs…. Local councils who provide community services like waste collections, fire services and so much more Public schooling Healthcare free at the point of use Pre and post maternal care free on demand I could go on But there are none so blind as those who choose not to see. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision "It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him."Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017! Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe? If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
"He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected. Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful. You answered your own question. I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office."Are you saying he didn’t meet with the IRA & Other terrorist fractions then? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office."Labour are the largest party in Europe or they were with the backing of all the unions. Campaign budgets are debatable not much in it I’d say. Doing well and much better than expected is worthless if you don’t win the people over | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones. "I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn. | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones. "Oh I guess we best stop talking about Johnson, Truss and Sunak | |||
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"What a selfish act letting the British people decide to leave the eu.you lost the vote so deal with it.the lefty minority in this country have sold all our values down the river and irreversibly changed Britain forever.in fifty years you lot will get the country you deserve but hey ho." Yes we are all dealing with the outcome of Brexit. And it's shit. | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones.
I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn."I often wonder what would have happened had Corbyn won the last election and was then almost immediately faced with the Covid pandemic. Surprisingly, I think that his unwavering love of the NHS would have meant that the tens of £billions that this Government spunked away in the private sector would have been steered through the NHS instead and an expanded NHS during Covid would have meant that today we would not have been dealing with an NHS catastrophe like we are. Of course there are other issues like Brexit and Ukraine and I have no idea how he would have dealt with those issues but I think as far as Covid goes, he would have handled it better than Johnson did. | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones.
I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn."I know but surely we can all agree he is a useless twat and move on ? | |||
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"Nothing to do with covid then? and it's only Britain in recession is it?.The tories and labour are 2 cheeks of the same arse.This country needs a political party that has common sense policies and first and foremost,works in the interests of every section of British society.the labour and Tories advocate neither." You mean populist policies that fall apart as soon as you scratch the surface? Or do you mean grown-up serious policies that retains this country’s status as a serious superpower and guardian of freedom and democracy? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office.
Are you saying he didn’t meet with the IRA & Other terrorist fractions then? "I'm not saying that. But I will say, if you think that qualifies someone as a "terrorist sympathiser" then you have a big long list of other people to add to that. Still, good job, I think we're arguing the same point. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office.
Labour are the largest party in Europe or they were with the backing of all the unions. Campaign budgets are debatable not much in it I’d say.
Doing well and much better than expected is worthless if you don’t win the people over "You don't need to speculate about campaign budgets, the information is all there. And the Tories have a much bigger budget. | |||
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"What a selfish act letting the British people decide to leave the eu.you lost the vote so deal with it.the lefty minority in this country have sold all our values down the river and irreversibly changed Britain forever.in fifty years you lot will get the country you deserve but hey ho." Brexit and "selling our values down the river and irreversibly changed Britain forever" wasn't orchestrated by a "lefty minority". Most bizarre claim I've seen on here in a long time. Fair play. | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones. "Corbyn though! | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones.
I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn."Get a grip! You have been banging on about how terrible the Tories and Boris and Truss are the same amount | |||
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"What a selfish act letting the British people decide to leave the eu.you lost the vote so deal with it.the lefty minority in this country have sold all our values down the river and irreversibly changed Britain forever.in fifty years you lot will get the country you deserve but hey ho." Well said | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones.
I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn.
I know but surely we can all agree he is a useless twat and move on ? "Absolutely brilliant | |||
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"Nothing to do with covid then? and it's only Britain in recession is it?.The tories and labour are 2 cheeks of the same arse.This country needs a political party that has common sense policies and first and foremost,works in the interests of every section of British society.the labour and Tories advocate neither. You mean populist policies that fall apart as soon as you scratch the surface? Or do you mean grown-up serious policies that retains this country’s status as a serious superpower and guardian of freedom and democracy?" Are you suggesting Labour have grown up serious policies? Is that the same grown up policies that’s lost them the last 4 elections? | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones.
I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn.
Get a grip! You have been banging on about how terrible the Tories and Boris and Truss are the same amount "Quite right, let's not think about the government and their catastrophic failures, and instead concentrate of the former leader of another party. | |||
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"Nothing to do with covid then? and it's only Britain in recession is it?.The tories and labour are 2 cheeks of the same arse.This country needs a political party that has common sense policies and first and foremost,works in the interests of every section of British society.the labour and Tories advocate neither. You mean populist policies that fall apart as soon as you scratch the surface? Or do you mean grown-up serious policies that retains this country’s status as a serious superpower and guardian of freedom and democracy? Are you suggesting Labour have grown up serious policies? Is that the same grown up policies that’s lost them the last 4 elections? " Why do you assume that anyone being critical of the government are Labour supporters. It's really bizarre, why are you pissed off at how they're running the country into the ground while handing billions in public money to their mates for dodgy PPE? | |||
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"Any opinion on this will be both subjective (what was my life like in that period) and skewed by your general political views. Saying that for me: WORST 1. Cameron (started us down the path of no return causing untold financial and societal damage to the UK before running away to leave the mess for someone else to sort out) 2. Johnson (corrupt, compromised, lazy, overtly self serving) 3. Truss (thick a mince, mad as a box of frogs, and caused huge financial damage) 4. Sunak (a snake who is clearly putting his own interests first and doesn’t give a shit a out people of this country) 5. May (weak and lacked decisive backbone) 6. Brown (Saved us from financial armageddon but skewed from time as chancellor when he tinkered with taxes too much creating the complex mess we have + raided pensions) 7. Blair (did a lot of good but has Iraq and PPP as his lasting legacy) LEAST WORSE Would have to put Margaret Thatcher at the to privatised everything would have sold her self for another term. She only got a 3rd term buy giving labour voterts the right to buy. Now we are still short of social housing. All utilities are a shower of shit. Rail NHS go back before her and press reset." Thatcher is to blame for many of the current ills this country faces. She destroyed industry and with it communities as she had nothing to replace them with. If, and I hope we never do, we had to fight a war, where is the steel and manufacturing we would need? Also, unless I am mistaken, the right to buy was a labour policy under callaghan I believe. Thatcher just boosted it and claimed it as her own to project prosperity as she sold the country out from under us  | |||
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"Please, this thread is about actual Prime Ministers, not imaginary ones.
I know. But a certain person is obsessed with hatred for Corbyn.
Get a grip! You have been banging on about how terrible the Tories and Boris and Truss are the same amount "What was I thinking mentioning Johnson & Truss in a thread about our worst PMs? Crazy, huh? Because, you know, they actually were PM & they were awful. For the record, I also brought up Blair for Iraq. But you seem to be ignoring that bit. | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. "Only one category of awfulness I could add puppets, financial t rrorists and conspirators. | |||
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"What a selfish act letting the British people decide to leave the eu.you lost the vote so deal with it.the lefty minority in this country have sold all our values down the river and irreversibly changed Britain forever.in fifty years you lot will get the country you deserve but hey ho." What values have been ‘sold down the river’ ? | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office.
Are you saying he didn’t meet with the IRA & Other terrorist fractions then? "The tories formed a coalition government with terrorists | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office.
Are you saying he didn’t meet with the IRA & Other terrorist fractions then?
The tories formed a coalition government with terrorists "Be fair... the lib dems weren't that bad. | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office.
Are you saying he didn’t meet with the IRA & Other terrorist fractions then?
The tories formed a coalition government with terrorists
Be fair... the lib dems weren't that bad. "Are you sure, | |||
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"Am surprised we haven't had any Tory supporters say " but it would jave been Corbyn if he had got in"..
Corbyn was too incompetent to get elected so sadly he doesn’t qualify for the list
We will never know how good or bad Corbyn would have been as PM. Here is what we do know
Boris was sacked for being a lying bag of shit
Truss was sacked for being as thick as shit
Facts
thankfully Corbyn only managed to lead his party to their worst defeat in what was it 70 years.....
Labour don’t win elections FACT
Labour have won fewer election than the Tories, but they have won elections.
Also, shouting fact doesn't make something a fact.
FACT
They haven’t won many! Thank god
As a centrist I have no particular affinity to either Labour or Conservative. Sadly the Lib Dems are rubbish too. So I tend to look at all their policies and try to figure out what is best for me and mine BUT for me that also includes wanting to live in a fair and equitable society (because that also benefits me and mine).
So I’m curious about your strongly held anti-Labour stance on the forums. You may not want to answer this and I fully respect that (this is a swinger site after all) but are you a high earner? By that I mean are you in the 45% income tax bracket? Because if you are not, you are actually overall worse off under the Tories. Clearly the poorer sections in society are worse off but it is the “squeezed middle”, the 40% tax payers who are being impacted by Tory policies. ie the Tories seem to have abandoned their base and got firmly into bed with the wealthy (maybe it was really ever thus?)
I really doubt it's to do with earnings or any personal position/circumstances. I've seen such incoherent & irrational hatred so many times online. Most of the time, such people imbibed their anger & hatred from the likes of the Mail.
The hatred you mention is exactly the same hatred you have for the conservatives
It's not quite the same, if you think about it.
I hold certain Tories in contempt for things they have done when in power. Cameron for starting the Brexit shitshow to appease right wingers in his own party. May for the hostile environment. Johnson for being a corrupt, lying bastard. Truss for wild, mad incompetence that cost the country a fortune.
You seem to hate Corbyn for things he never even had a chance to do since he was never elected? do you even know why you hate him so much?
Of course it’s the same kind of hatred!
And it’s not Just Corbyn I dislike it’s labour’s socialist vision
It's really not the same. I strongly disapprove of Johnson/Truss etc based on things they actually did. You hate Corbyn based on things he didn't even have a chance to try doing. I really don't think you know why you hate him so much. It's as if you've simply been told to hate him.
Next you will be saying the media lost him the election in 2019 oh and 2017!
Nothing to do with him supporting terrorist groups maybe?
If he was as perfect as you say how do you explain him leading his party to the biggest defeat in over 75 years?
He did really well in 2017. Much better than expected.
Then as you correctly pointed out, the smear campaign with bollocks such as 'Corbyn supported terrorist groups' was extremely successful.
You answered your own question.
I do agree though, the Tories will win the next election, they control the malleable electorate with their much larger campaign budget, vast support from the media, and their effective PR machine. They won the last three elections despite their performance and behaviour in office.
Are you saying he didn’t meet with the IRA & Other terrorist fractions then?
The tories formed a coalition government with terrorists
Be fair... the lib dems weren't that bad.
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"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. The worst in our entire history. One of which is a war criminal and should be standing trial at the Hague, and the other was his enabling chancellor " Fuck Blair for Iraq. But he was a hell of a lot better than the Tories who came after him on the domestic front. And it's fanciful to think the Tories wouldn't have charged into Iraq, guns blazing if they were in power then. So they'd have been equally bad on the Iraq front. (Before some1 pops up & says that's hypothetical, the Tories overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war at the time.) | |||
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"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. The worst in our entire history. One of which is a war criminal and should be standing trial at the Hague, and the other was his enabling chancellor Fuck Blair for Iraq. But he was a hell of a lot better than the Tories who came after him on the domestic front. And it's fanciful to think the Tories wouldn't have charged into Iraq, guns blazing if they were in power then. So they'd have been equally bad on the Iraq front. (Before some1 pops up & says that's hypothetical, the Tories overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war at the time.)" Politicians LOVE a good old war. Nothing better to stir the patriotism and give yourself a surge in the opinion polls then sending our brave men and women off to die! The Falklands worked wonders for Thatcher! | |||
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"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. The worst in our entire history. One of which is a war criminal and should be standing trial at the Hague, and the other was his enabling chancellor Fuck Blair for Iraq. But he was a hell of a lot better than the Tories who came after him on the domestic front. And it's fanciful to think the Tories wouldn't have charged into Iraq, guns blazing if they were in power then. So they'd have been equally bad on the Iraq front. (Before some1 pops up & says that's hypothetical, the Tories overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war at the time.) Politicians LOVE a good old war. Nothing better to stir the patriotism and give yourself a surge in the opinion polls then sending our brave men and women off to die! The Falklands worked wonders for Thatcher! " Indeed, getting to "other" an enemy with whom in the case of Argentina we'd have had no personal beef - although it was a dodgy regime - and then make big political capital out of a pretty easy victory... | |||
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"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. The worst in our entire history. One of which is a war criminal and should be standing trial at the Hague, and the other was his enabling chancellor Fuck Blair for Iraq. But he was a hell of a lot better than the Tories who came after him on the domestic front. And it's fanciful to think the Tories wouldn't have charged into Iraq, guns blazing if they were in power then. So they'd have been equally bad on the Iraq front. (Before some1 pops up & says that's hypothetical, the Tories overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war at the time.) Politicians LOVE a good old war. Nothing better to stir the patriotism and give yourself a surge in the opinion polls then sending our brave men and women off to die! The Falklands worked wonders for Thatcher! " War generates vast profits too. Which generates more donations to political parties. | |||
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"B-liar, B-liar, Brown, Heath, Wilson, Cameron. " Heath was the decimalisation of the currency? I think. I don't know much else about what happened under his leadership. | |||
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"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. The worst in our entire history. One of which is a war criminal and should be standing trial at the Hague, and the other was his enabling chancellor Fuck Blair for Iraq. But he was a hell of a lot better than the Tories who came after him on the domestic front. And it's fanciful to think the Tories wouldn't have charged into Iraq, guns blazing if they were in power then. So they'd have been equally bad on the Iraq front. (Before some1 pops up & says that's hypothetical, the Tories overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war at the time.) Politicians LOVE a good old war. Nothing better to stir the patriotism and give yourself a surge in the opinion polls then sending our brave men and women off to die! The Falklands worked wonders for Thatcher! War generates vast profits too. Which generates more donations to political parties." . I cannot see a single piece of evidence that war generates vast profits. The war between Russia and Umkraine is very damaging in terms of both loss of life and financially. I have yet to see a single financial commentator welcome the war. We as all paying the price currently. | |||
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"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. The worst in our entire history. One of which is a war criminal and should be standing trial at the Hague, and the other was his enabling chancellor Fuck Blair for Iraq. But he was a hell of a lot better than the Tories who came after him on the domestic front. And it's fanciful to think the Tories wouldn't have charged into Iraq, guns blazing if they were in power then. So they'd have been equally bad on the Iraq front. (Before some1 pops up & says that's hypothetical, the Tories overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war at the time.) Politicians LOVE a good old war. Nothing better to stir the patriotism and give yourself a surge in the opinion polls then sending our brave men and women off to die! The Falklands worked wonders for Thatcher! War generates vast profits too. Which generates more donations to political parties.. I cannot see a single piece of evidence that war generates vast profits. The war between Russia and Umkraine is very damaging in terms of both loss of life and financially. I have yet to see a single financial commentator welcome the war. We as all paying the price currently. " Yes. We all pay the price. BAE share shares are doing well when there's more war, they must be making a lot of cash. Probably a coincidence. | |||
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"Sunak, the complete cunt" As the John Smith’s advert used to say…Top bombing!!! | |||
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"Of the 21st Century. We've had some stinkers in the past 20 odd years but who was the worst ? Mine in order of awful would be: Cameron May Brown Blair was worst criminal. Innocent people died on his hand BJ Blair I've excused Liz Truss and Sunak on account of short service. " | |||
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"Sunak, the complete cunt" What has Sunak done that makes him worse than anyone else? | |||
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