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"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? " The "information you saw" was a load of bollocks. Which in fairness, was pointed out at the time. Not sure why anyone can be surprised that brexit turned out the way it has. | |||
I am going to assume it is and say...
What a complete an utter wanker. Virtually all if the crap we are dealing with now is his fault. He was a spineless weasel who ran away sulking when he couldn’t get his own way having already folded under pressure from far right to even consider a referendum on EU membership. Even then, instead of approaching it as a two stage referendum:
1. In/Out
2. If out then what does that look like
He was so fucking arrogant that he didn’t even consider the follow on consequences of his decisions.
Of course HE is fine with his wife’s money. No suffering for him as a result of his decisions, suffering is only for the plebs!
Complete an utter prick! | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? " I think Cameron panicked when UKIP were gaining popularity and winning EU elections easily. Our first past the post system would not allow UKIP to win much in the way of seats in parliament but with factions of his own party unhappy he hit the nuclear button | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I think Cameron panicked when UKIP were gaining popularity and winning EU elections easily. Our first past the post system would not allow UKIP to win much in the way of seats in parliament but with factions of his own party unhappy he hit the nuclear button" it was a wild gamble by Cameron & he should have stayed to sort out his mess. | |||
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"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is." I wouldn’t hold back, just tell us how you reallt feel! 
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"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? " I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! " What did you get? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? " Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. " Are you a British citizen? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. " Ah, so you wanted to make it as difficult for everyone else as it was for you. Weird. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? " As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. " Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? " Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. " What has any of that got to do with the EU? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? " Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe?" I don’t know, did the EU prevent this? | |||
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"I got everything I wanted so fuck everyone else or the overall impact on the UK as a whole! Nice!" Are you invalidating how others voted simply because they did it out of pure self interest? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? I don’t know, did the EU prevent this? " I see you're struggling to read again. He explains that the abolition of rules helped him gain employment. | |||
"I got everything I wanted so fuck everyone else or the overall impact on the UK as a whole! Nice! Are you invalidating how others voted simply because they did it out of pure self interest? " Your fab name makes more sense now... 1) You settled your debts/score with the British Govt and former Colonial masters. 2) You assassinated the British people by ensuring they were subject to a permanent economic downturn. Thanks for that! | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? I don’t know, did the EU prevent this? I see you're struggling to read again. He explains that the abolition of rules helped him gain employment." I suggest you let the person speak for them self  | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? I don’t know, did the EU prevent this? I see you're struggling to read again. He explains that the abolition of rules helped him gain employment. I suggest you let the person speak for them self "Said person has already explained his position. I suggest you learn to read | |||
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"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? I don’t know, did the EU prevent this? I see you're struggling to read again. He explains that the abolition of rules helped him gain employment. I suggest you let the person speak for them self
Said person has already explained his position. I suggest you learn to read "I was talking to him, not you, | |||
"Here we go again. Lads every thread. Every damn one." Afraid so, that is the last time I will communicate with them, it’s tedious | |||
"Here we go again. Lads every thread. Every damn one." I'm just trying to help him understand what the poster said | |||
"I got everything I wanted so fuck everyone else or the overall impact on the UK as a whole! Nice! Are you invalidating how others voted simply because they did it out of pure self interest? " Can you clarify why the EU were preventing you from getting a visa? | |||
"Here we go again. Lads every thread. Every damn one. I'm just trying to help him understand what the poster said "Yeah but every thread quote replies to unreadable length filled with extended bickering. | |||
"Here we go again. Lads every thread. Every damn one. I'm just trying to help him understand what the poster said
Yeah but every thread quote replies to unreadable length filled with extended bickering."Yeah I get it. I do. I stand by the position of 'if people learn to read, we wouldn't have this every thread' | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe?" Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. " Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government? "Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters. And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse. "Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain? | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain? "I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else. As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out. | |||
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"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out. "So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ? | |||
""You assassinated the British people by ensuring they were subject to a permanent economic downturn." Wow. This isn't a personal attack? I'm responsible for "assassinating" an entire national society of people because of the way I voted? Them becoming poorer is a direct result of my vote and not because of the incompetency of their political leaders? North/South divide not a real thing beforehand? Londoncentricity not a real thing before Brexit? Okay then. Flawless logic. Top of the class. Why do I even bother with this forum sometimes? " You do realise of course that Julius Ceaser was assassinated on The Ides of March right? Hence the choice of word. Your actions have clearly made the UK and the majority of the people living here poorer. The permanent hit of 4% to GDP is thanks to people voting Leave. There ends my TED talk | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out.
So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ? "I don't think the UK should limit all foreigners. Much of its economy now depends on foreign labour and talent (whether I agree that should be the case or not is another issue). What I do think is that if the UK wants foreigners it should not be cherry picking where it wants them from. Certainly not when it wants to retain foreign talent who graduated from its tertiary institutes yet in the past has showed form of actively seeking to chase away some of them just because they're the only targets at hand to show that they don't have an open door policy towards all foreigners at the cost of British graduates and workers. For people saying that the UK is now discriminating and chasing away EU citizens from working and living in the UK, bear in mind that they face the same criteria as I do as a non-EU foreigner (who if I really want to call on historical legacy, the UK probably owes me even more than EU citizens since they used to colonise my country, but I won't use that as leverage), they don't have it harder than me or easier than me, they have it the same as me. Funny how for some, losing their privilege equates oppression. When they were perfectly fine being the excuse for the shameful political decisions of others who were once associated with them. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse. "So brexit hasn't helped you at all, has been catastrophic for the UK, and you're still happy with it. Fair play. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
So brexit hasn't helped you at all, has been catastrophic for the UK, and you're still happy with it.
Fair play. "
I cannot be bothered to re explain to someone something I've already explained in clear English.
Or someone who wants to throw shade about the way someone has voted simply because they didn't vote the same way.
By the way if you wonder why you're not seeing more Leavers "regret" their vote publicly, or why Labour can't come out overtly as being pro-EU, people who hold the same sentiments as you do (trying to shame and mock) are a big reason why. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out.
So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ?
I don't think the UK should limit all foreigners. Much of its economy now depends on foreign labour and talent (whether I agree that should be the case or not is another issue). What I do think is that if the UK wants foreigners it should not be cherry picking where it wants them from. Certainly not when it wants to retain foreign talent who graduated from its tertiary institutes yet in the past has showed form of actively seeking to chase away some of them just because they're the only targets at hand to show that they don't have an open door policy towards all foreigners at the cost of British graduates and workers.
For people saying that the UK is now discriminating and chasing away EU citizens from working and living in the UK, bear in mind that they face the same criteria as I do as a non-EU foreigner (who if I really want to call on historical legacy, the UK probably owes me even more than EU citizens since they used to colonise my country, but I won't use that as leverage), they don't have it harder than me or easier than me, they have it the same as me.
Funny how for some, losing their privilege equates oppression. When they were perfectly fine being the excuse for the shameful political decisions of others who were once associated with them. "Fair enough , basically the UK are just swapping EU immigrants with non EU immigrants? I don’t think that will make the majority of Brexit voters happy, | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
So brexit hasn't helped you at all, has been catastrophic for the UK, and you're still happy with it.
Fair play.
I cannot be bothered to re explain to someone something I've already explained in clear English.
Or someone who wants to throw shade about the way someone has voted simply because they didn't vote the same way.
By the way if you wonder why you're not seeing more Leavers "regret" their vote publicly, or why Labour can't come out overtly as being pro-EU, people who hold the same sentiments as you do (trying to shame and mock) are a big reason why. "I'm not "throwing shade". Just summarised what you said. The situation with Labour, or any political party not being able to be honest and factual about the impact of brexit is a fucking ridiculous situation to be in. Having to pretend it was a good idea is why we're unable to do anything to start mitigating the problems it caused. I don't agree that fear of being mocked by someone plays a big part in that. But maybe I'm wrong. Personally I would love people to have an honest and frank discussion about it. And if someone says "yeah I was lied to, I'm pissed off" Fair play. Also, like you, you said you'd vote for it again despite there being no positives, also "Fair play", we can have a conversation. It's those who are still pretending that it's a good idea, those who still believe the bullshit on the side of a bus (metaphor for all the brexit promises which turned out to be bollocks), that are the problem. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out.
So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ?
I don't think the UK should limit all foreigners. Much of its economy now depends on foreign labour and talent (whether I agree that should be the case or not is another issue). What I do think is that if the UK wants foreigners it should not be cherry picking where it wants them from. Certainly not when it wants to retain foreign talent who graduated from its tertiary institutes yet in the past has showed form of actively seeking to chase away some of them just because they're the only targets at hand to show that they don't have an open door policy towards all foreigners at the cost of British graduates and workers.
For people saying that the UK is now discriminating and chasing away EU citizens from working and living in the UK, bear in mind that they face the same criteria as I do as a non-EU foreigner (who if I really want to call on historical legacy, the UK probably owes me even more than EU citizens since they used to colonise my country, but I won't use that as leverage), they don't have it harder than me or easier than me, they have it the same as me.
Funny how for some, losing their privilege equates oppression. When they were perfectly fine being the excuse for the shameful political decisions of others who were once associated with them.
Fair enough , basically the UK are just swapping EU immigrants with non EU immigrants? I don’t think that will make the majority of Brexit voters happy, "Not convinced that's what he was saying. As far as I understand his posts he is saying both EU and non EU citizens are now treated equally. Apologies if got that wrong | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out.
So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ?
I don't think the UK should limit all foreigners. Much of its economy now depends on foreign labour and talent (whether I agree that should be the case or not is another issue). What I do think is that if the UK wants foreigners it should not be cherry picking where it wants them from. Certainly not when it wants to retain foreign talent who graduated from its tertiary institutes yet in the past has showed form of actively seeking to chase away some of them just because they're the only targets at hand to show that they don't have an open door policy towards all foreigners at the cost of British graduates and workers.
For people saying that the UK is now discriminating and chasing away EU citizens from working and living in the UK, bear in mind that they face the same criteria as I do as a non-EU foreigner (who if I really want to call on historical legacy, the UK probably owes me even more than EU citizens since they used to colonise my country, but I won't use that as leverage), they don't have it harder than me or easier than me, they have it the same as me.
Funny how for some, losing their privilege equates oppression. When they were perfectly fine being the excuse for the shameful political decisions of others who were once associated with them.
Fair enough , basically the UK are just swapping EU immigrants with non EU immigrants? I don’t think that will make the majority of Brexit voters happy,
Not convinced that's what he was saying. As far as I understand his posts he is saying both EU and non EU citizens are now treated equally. Apologies if got that wrong"Thats how I also understood it | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out.
So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ?
I don't think the UK should limit all foreigners. Much of its economy now depends on foreign labour and talent (whether I agree that should be the case or not is another issue). What I do think is that if the UK wants foreigners it should not be cherry picking where it wants them from. Certainly not when it wants to retain foreign talent who graduated from its tertiary institutes yet in the past has showed form of actively seeking to chase away some of them just because they're the only targets at hand to show that they don't have an open door policy towards all foreigners at the cost of British graduates and workers.
For people saying that the UK is now discriminating and chasing away EU citizens from working and living in the UK, bear in mind that they face the same criteria as I do as a non-EU foreigner (who if I really want to call on historical legacy, the UK probably owes me even more than EU citizens since they used to colonise my country, but I won't use that as leverage), they don't have it harder than me or easier than me, they have it the same as me.
Funny how for some, losing their privilege equates oppression. When they were perfectly fine being the excuse for the shameful political decisions of others who were once associated with them.
Fair enough , basically the UK are just swapping EU immigrants with non EU immigrants? I don’t think that will make the majority of Brexit voters happy,
Not convinced that's what he was saying. As far as I understand his posts he is saying both EU and non EU citizens are now treated equally. Apologies if got that wrong
Thats how I also understood it"Same. He wanted others to be treated as badly. | |||
"In June 2016 the UK voted out of the European Union. If you are one of those who voted out, would you of still voted out knowing what we know now? I didn't vote but if I was going to vote I would of voted out from all of the information which I saw. Like the millions! of pounds each year which we were going to be better off from leaving the EU. Where is that money now? I voted out in 2016. I got exactly what I wanted and hoped for. If I had to do it again I would. As to what motivated me to vote out... Clue, I am a Commonwealth citizen who was back then an undergrad in the UK. Cue the brickbats! What did you get? Post study graduate visa reinstated as a policy. After May was toppled by Johnson, the abolition of many of the stupid rules regarding seeking a job in the UK as a Commonwealth non-EU graduate (couldn't apply within the UK, minimum salary requirement for most jobs pegged at £31k per annum when local grads start off on £24k per annum on average, could only apply for shortage occupations in the UK etc). No more double standards towards EU and non-EU citizens in the UK for employment or studies. Yeah. I got what I wanted. And now in my third time round in the UK I'm hoping to make the best use of the chance I've got now to make a life and career here. At least I know now that I won't be hobbled by the state in some performative act of "controlling immigration" through selective discriminatory policies. Are you a British citizen? As I said. No. I'm a Commonwealth citizen. Means I'm from somewhere which used to be colonised by the Empire. Ah , I see, and before Brexit you were being treated unfairly and prejudiced because of where you were from? Yes, not by British people or civil society mind you, but institutionally by the British Government, chiefly the UK Home Office. Of which I lay blame mostly on the doorstep of one person: Theresa May. I rank her as a worse Home Secretary than Suella Braverman, and a worse Prime Minister than Boris Johnson or David Cameron. To me she's the real anti-foreigner headbanger because unlike Suella, May actually managed to make the Hostile Environment policy (which overarched everything the Home Office did) become a very real and sticky reality for years. What has any of that got to do with the EU? Post-graduate visa reinstated as a policy maybe? Not just that. Voting for the UK to leave the EU also removed its main scapegoat to blame every single domestic political failure on the EU and excuse discriminatory policies against targeted foreigner demographics (doubly ironic because said foreigner demographic also included people like me who came from former colonies and are still deemed good enough to vote in British local and national elections) by saying "oh we can't control immigration because of the EU's Freedom of Movement policy, so we'll have to pick on some other foreigner group in the UK to beat with a stick to show we're serious about putting British people first and controlling immigration!". Bear in mind I've no qualms about the UK government putting British subjects and society first when it comes to jobs and housing and stuff that makes a life possible in the UK. But I also believe strongly in treating everyone with fairness and measuring them on their individual merit not their backgrounds. I still remember going to a career fair at uni and having the company representative tell me that they'd love to hire me but the UK government's policies regarding non-EU citizens like myself made it financially impossible and unfeasible to hire me compared to my EU citizen coursemate peers, who were equally foreign as I am to the UK but had the luck of being born into a political bloc that successfully ringfenced and demanded preferential treatment for its members citizens. Fair enough, so it wasn’t the EU that was the problem but the British government?
Yes. And my logic was simple. If the UK government can't get its act together and hides behind the EU as an excuse for its own ugly decisions and policies, then I'll vote to remove such an excuse from them and let them hoist themselves on their own petards, to face a reckoning from their own voters.
And given how things have developed, I feel more vindicated than regretful of how I voted. In a floating voter. I don't owe allegiance to any party. I only vote for policies and competence in administration and governance, which of course would be measured primarily by how my life is affected by them for better or worse.
Fair enough, very honest of you, it’s just a shame that you voted for something that makes the country poorer . Are you hoping to spend the rest of your life living and working in Britain?
I don't think a country should feel proud of being rich and prosperous off the back of simply being a financial and investment centre for foreigners. No country should feel proud that its economy is so heavily dependent on the largesse of foreigners. Well, maybe some have no choice by dint of geographical size, but the UK didn't have to go its current way of "we can only be economically prosperous by piggybacking on the EU" to be just as productive and perhaps far more equitable society than what it currently is today, where its basically London vs everywhere else.
As for whether I intend to spend the rest of my life in the UK, I don't know. Depends on where my life after finishing my Masters takes me, home is where I hang my hat, where my job takes me, where I meet anybody to settle down with. But I wouldn't mind having a life and career in the UK for the long term or the rest of my life if that's how things pan out.
So you think Britain should limit all ‘foreigners’ ? Do you know that the vast majority of overseas students are not from the EU? Have you ever been to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow , Edinburgh etc ?
I don't think the UK should limit all foreigners. Much of its economy now depends on foreign labour and talent (whether I agree that should be the case or not is another issue). What I do think is that if the UK wants foreigners it should not be cherry picking where it wants them from. Certainly not when it wants to retain foreign talent who graduated from its tertiary institutes yet in the past has showed form of actively seeking to chase away some of them just because they're the only targets at hand to show that they don't have an open door policy towards all foreigners at the cost of British graduates and workers.
For people saying that the UK is now discriminating and chasing away EU citizens from working and living in the UK, bear in mind that they face the same criteria as I do as a non-EU foreigner (who if I really want to call on historical legacy, the UK probably owes me even more than EU citizens since they used to colonise my country, but I won't use that as leverage), they don't have it harder than me or easier than me, they have it the same as me.
Funny how for some, losing their privilege equates oppression. When they were perfectly fine being the excuse for the shameful political decisions of others who were once associated with them.
Fair enough , basically the UK are just swapping EU immigrants with non EU immigrants? I don’t think that will make the majority of Brexit voters happy,
Not convinced that's what he was saying. As far as I understand his posts he is saying both EU and non EU citizens are now treated equally. Apologies if got that wrong
Thats how I also understood it
Same. He wanted others to be treated as badly. "Ah the old “I can’t/don’t have it so you shouldn’t have it either” argument. Levelling down for everyone. | |||
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"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is." David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. " Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense "Or successive governments since 2010 have simply been shit! | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or successive governments since 2010 have simply been shit!"Oh, come on! The Johnson era was joy to behold, even the labour voters jumped onboard..... We reap what we sow | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense "Or perhaps I am old enough to remember what good politicians and good governance looks like? David Cameron ushered in an era of division, hostility, incompetence and nonsensical culture arguments. The country is poorer in every sense of the word and I know that I am right in my suspicions of Cameron in 2010 because NOTHING in this country is in a better state now than it was back then. Politics has been focused on all of the wrong things for the last 13 years and a certain section of society seem to be too blinded to see it. I don't actually care about righty's and lefty's and Brexiters and Remainers. I don't care about the stupid culture arguments that are haemorrhaging society - I just want competent people running a competent government for the benefit of ALL Uk citizens. It was David Cameron who broke competence and good governance and it has got worse since him. | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or successive governments since 2010 have simply been shit!
Oh, come on! The Johnson era was joy to behold, even the labour voters jumped onboard.....
We reap what we sow"Funny on the surface but the reality was the “Johnson era” was a corrupt cesspit. | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or perhaps I am old enough to remember what good politicians and good governance looks like?
David Cameron ushered in an era of division, hostility, incompetence and nonsensical culture arguments.
The country is poorer in every sense of the word and I know that I am right in my suspicions of Cameron in 2010 because NOTHING in this country is in a better state now than it was back then. Politics has been focused on all of the wrong things for the last 13 years and a certain section of society seem to be too blinded to see it.
I don't actually care about righty's and lefty's and Brexiters and Remainers. I don't care about the stupid culture arguments that are haemorrhaging society - I just want competent people running a competent government for the benefit of ALL Uk citizens. It was David Cameron who broke competence and good governance and it has got worse since him."If you don't care about right and left why do you tell pretty much anyone with a different view to you that they have been groomed? I find that really strange, I'm not sure if it is the word groomed or the sheer disregard for other peoples views. As I mentioned it seems you have awakened to something you didn't like about yourself, your voting preference, I don't mean that disrespectfully. | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or successive governments since 2010 have simply been shit!
Oh, come on! The Johnson era was joy to behold, even the labour voters jumped onboard.....
We reap what we sow
Funny on the surface but the reality was the “Johnson era” was a corrupt cesspit. "It's a reality, the majority of this country voted tory even though they had the time periods you mention to make their informed decision. You or I, or many others might not like it but the majority "did". There is great hope for a new government, I fear all it will do is quieten down the left leaning voice of discontent for 6 months before the reality kicks in that a country needs governing and decisions need to be made that are not going to appeal to everyone. There is no magic wand for any party to make this country a place that everyone agrees is in the right place doing the right thing, that position does not exist. The behaviour of our PM and ministers, that clearly goes into the reap what you sow comment I made earlier, specific people to do a specific job chosen by the people. | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or perhaps I am old enough to remember what good politicians and good governance looks like?
David Cameron ushered in an era of division, hostility, incompetence and nonsensical culture arguments.
The country is poorer in every sense of the word and I know that I am right in my suspicions of Cameron in 2010 because NOTHING in this country is in a better state now than it was back then. Politics has been focused on all of the wrong things for the last 13 years and a certain section of society seem to be too blinded to see it.
I don't actually care about righty's and lefty's and Brexiters and Remainers. I don't care about the stupid culture arguments that are haemorrhaging society - I just want competent people running a competent government for the benefit of ALL Uk citizens. It was David Cameron who broke competence and good governance and it has got worse since him.
If you don't care about right and left why do you tell pretty much anyone with a different view to you that they have been groomed?
I find that really strange, I'm not sure if it is the word groomed or the sheer disregard for other peoples views. As I mentioned it seems you have awakened to something you didn't like about yourself, your voting preference, I don't mean that disrespectfully."Being politically groomed has nothing to do with having a left or right leaning outlook on life, anyone can be groomed - they just need an BV excuse for the bias to confirmed by someone and the rest is easy. As for my voting history - you have literally no idea how my life has evolved and why I think the way that I do. I can simply tell you that your very deep psycho-analysis is way off the mark. I have been watching politics since the days of Heath and Wilson and I know competent politicians when I see them. Cameron was a Spiv with no substance, May lacked conviction and Leadership, Johnson make lying and corruption normal in politics and the less said about Truss the better. Sunak might have been OK but Johnson emptied the Parliamentary Conservative Party of talent and he can’t do everything on his own whilst still battling internal Tory factions. | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or successive governments since 2010 have simply been shit!
Oh, come on! The Johnson era was joy to behold, even the labour voters jumped onboard.....
We reap what we sow
Funny on the surface but the reality was the “Johnson era” was a corrupt cesspit.
It's a reality, the majority of this country voted tory even though they had the time periods you mention to make their informed decision.
You or I, or many others might not like it but the majority "did".
There is great hope for a new government, I fear all it will do is quieten down the left leaning voice of discontent for 6 months before the reality kicks in that a country needs governing and decisions need to be made that are not going to appeal to everyone.
There is no magic wand for any party to make this country a place that everyone agrees is in the right place doing the right thing, that position does not exist. The behaviour of our PM and ministers, that clearly goes into the reap what you sow comment I made earlier, specific people to do a specific job chosen by the people. "You conveniently? Deliberately? Accidentally? Missed off two key factors re 2019 election. 1) Johnson got a majority for promising to “get brexit done” *1 2) Corbyn was unelectable *2 *1 Many people were by now tired out by brexit and just wanted it sorted one way or another. Johnson represented finally getting this done (oh the irony). *2 This was partly his own fault. He has kept dubious company and espoused views that were easily weaponised against him by the right wing press. A hatchet job was also done on him by the right wing press anyway. He flip flopped around on Brexit. Had Johnson been up against 97 vintage Blair he would have been toast. Heck, if the ERG nutters and Tufton St had not hijacked the Tory Party, Johnson would have been nowhere near the PM job (Thatcher would have eaten him for breakfast). | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or perhaps I am old enough to remember what good politicians and good governance looks like?
David Cameron ushered in an era of division, hostility, incompetence and nonsensical culture arguments.
The country is poorer in every sense of the word and I know that I am right in my suspicions of Cameron in 2010 because NOTHING in this country is in a better state now than it was back then. Politics has been focused on all of the wrong things for the last 13 years and a certain section of society seem to be too blinded to see it.
I don't actually care about righty's and lefty's and Brexiters and Remainers. I don't care about the stupid culture arguments that are haemorrhaging society - I just want competent people running a competent government for the benefit of ALL Uk citizens. It was David Cameron who broke competence and good governance and it has got worse since him.
If you don't care about right and left why do you tell pretty much anyone with a different view to you that they have been groomed?
I find that really strange, I'm not sure if it is the word groomed or the sheer disregard for other peoples views. As I mentioned it seems you have awakened to something you didn't like about yourself, your voting preference, I don't mean that disrespectfully.
Being politically groomed has nothing to do with having a left or right leaning outlook on life, anyone can be groomed - they just need an BV excuse for the bias to confirmed by someone and the rest is easy.
As for my voting history - you have literally no idea how my life has evolved and why I think the way that I do. I can simply tell you that your very deep psycho-analysis is way off the mark. I have been watching politics since the days of Heath and Wilson and I know competent politicians when I see them.
Cameron was a Spiv with no substance, May lacked conviction and Leadership, Johnson make lying and corruption normal in politics and the less said about Truss the better.
Sunak might have been OK but Johnson emptied the Parliamentary Conservative Party of talent and he can’t do everything on his own whilst still battling internal Tory factions."No deep analysis from me, only a passing observation | |||
"David Cameron is everything I despise about him, insanely privilaged, 5th cousin to the royal family, educated at Eton and Oxford. David Cameron said it himself that "it's only fair to judge politicians by where they are going and not where they're from". By the time he quit as Prime Minister, we had rising national debt, rising inequality, rising unemployment, the welfare system on it's knees, the NHS being privatises by stealth and social mobility as a thing of the past. And as parting gift, David Cameron let us with the almighty clusterfuck of Brexit to sort out (because he had no plan for it) and the fact that David Cameron isn't by any stretch the worse Prime Minister in my life time should give us all a chill by the spine. His not a souless gargoyle like Thatcher or a murderous fraud like Blair or a bumbling sack of vicious custard like Boris Johnson but my gosh, what a sniffling self serving shit that he is. David Cameron was the first Conservative Leader that I ever felt really uncomfortable with and 2010 was the first time that I did not vote Conservative. I sensed a lack of substance and political gravitas and to me, he just came across as a ‘fix it with a sticking plaster’ Spiv. I have not voted Conservative since as each Conservative PM has been worse than the one they replaced, with the exception of Sunak. He at least seems to be trying to do politics as best he can with the very limited talent pool at his disposal. Ah, this makes sense now! I have always wondered what was driving the constant grooming messages and such deep resentment. Very reminiscent of when a smoker stops smoking they become the harshest critics of smokers, or when an obese person starts exercising and losing weight they become experts in losing weight. All things that were bad for them becomes their focus. Makes sense
Or successive governments since 2010 have simply been shit!
Oh, come on! The Johnson era was joy to behold, even the labour voters jumped onboard.....
We reap what we sow
Funny on the surface but the reality was the “Johnson era” was a corrupt cesspit.
It's a reality, the majority of this country voted tory even though they had the time periods you mention to make their informed decision.
You or I, or many others might not like it but the majority "did".
There is great hope for a new government, I fear all it will do is quieten down the left leaning voice of discontent for 6 months before the reality kicks in that a country needs governing and decisions need to be made that are not going to appeal to everyone.
There is no magic wand for any party to make this country a place that everyone agrees is in the right place doing the right thing, that position does not exist. The behaviour of our PM and ministers, that clearly goes into the reap what you sow comment I made earlier, specific people to do a specific job chosen by the people.
You conveniently? Deliberately? Accidentally? Missed off two key factors re 2019 election.
1) Johnson got a majority for promising to “get brexit done” *1
2) Corbyn was unelectable *2
*1 Many people were by now tired out by brexit and just wanted it sorted one way or another. Johnson represented finally getting this done (oh the irony).
*2 This was partly his own fault. He has kept dubious company and espoused views that were easily weaponised against him by the right wing press. A hatchet job was also done on him by the right wing press anyway. He flip flopped around on Brexit.
Had Johnson been up against 97 vintage Blair he would have been toast.
Heck, if the ERG nutters and Tufton St had not hijacked the Tory Party, Johnson would have been nowhere near the PM job (Thatcher would have eaten him for breakfast)."I didn't leave off 1 or 2, I didn't really think it needed spelling out. Cummings won the election on fear of Brexit delays or even a reversal, Johnson fronted it. | |||
