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Which do you prefer, 'woke' or 'awake' and why?
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""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. " The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism'" Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. " Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? | |||
"Fire away... "This one is going to be interesting, where's me popcorn.... | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? " Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever." Have you seen the definition of 'pretentious lefties'? As I said, there's a few definitions. Although, none of them are Non-Racist. It's a word that has been repurposed like many others. As I said earlier, you're using the definition which suits your agenda and that's fine but you should also acknowledge there's others too. I'd also point out that when people use the word woke as an insult, it's usually direct towards someone of the same race which in itself can't really be racist going by the dictionary definition. | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. Have you seen the definition of 'pretentious lefties'? " Aside from the obvious, is there another definition? " As I said, there's a few definitions. Although, none of them are Non-Racist. It's a word that has been repurposed like many others. As I said earlier, you're using the definition which suits your agenda and that's fine but you should also acknowledge there's others too. " I don't have an agenda for dictionary definitions. If someone uses "woke" as an insult, they shouldn't be surprised that everyone thinks they have a problem with people who aren't racist " I'd also point out that when people use the word woke as an insult, it's usually direct towards someone of the same race which in itself can't really be racist going by the dictionary definition. " I didn't say they were being directly racist. But if someone thinks that not being racist is a bad thing, and use that as an insult, it's not a good look for them. | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. Have you seen the definition of 'pretentious lefties'? Aside from the obvious, is there another definition? As I said, there's a few definitions. Although, none of them are Non-Racist. It's a word that has been repurposed like many others. As I said earlier, you're using the definition which suits your agenda and that's fine but you should also acknowledge there's others too. I don't have an agenda for dictionary definitions. If someone uses "woke" as an insult, they shouldn't be surprised that everyone thinks they have a problem with people who aren't racist I'd also point out that when people use the word woke as an insult, it's usually direct towards someone of the same race which in itself can't really be racist going by the dictionary definition. I didn't say they were being directly racist. But if someone thinks that not being racist is a bad thing, and use that as an insult, it's not a good look for them." Another definition? There's multiple, if you don't know this then it's not really worth the discussion. You keep saying 'people who aren't racist' are woke. I disagree. Now you say it isn't a good look if someone think not being racist is seen as a bad thing. Earlier you said 'not sure why a racist would be outraged' So are you saying they're racist or not? | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. Have you seen the definition of 'pretentious lefties'? Aside from the obvious, is there another definition? As I said, there's a few definitions. Although, none of them are Non-Racist. It's a word that has been repurposed like many others. As I said earlier, you're using the definition which suits your agenda and that's fine but you should also acknowledge there's others too. I don't have an agenda for dictionary definitions. If someone uses "woke" as an insult, they shouldn't be surprised that everyone thinks they have a problem with people who aren't racist I'd also point out that when people use the word woke as an insult, it's usually direct towards someone of the same race which in itself can't really be racist going by the dictionary definition. I didn't say they were being directly racist. But if someone thinks that not being racist is a bad thing, and use that as an insult, it's not a good look for them. Another definition? There's multiple, if you don't know this then it's not really worth the discussion. " Non dictionary definitions? " You keep saying 'people who aren't racist' are woke. I disagree. " You disagree with the dictionary? " Now you say it isn't a good look if someone think not being racist is seen as a bad thing. Earlier you said 'not sure why a racist would be outraged' " Yes. Not sure why racists get upset about being called out. " So are you saying they're racist or not? " I'm not saying anyone is racist or not racist. Just saying if someone uses "woke" as an insult, it's not a good look. | |||
""woke" seems to be good for confusing Daily Mail readers and right wing nutter who think that people who aren't racist are the big problem in society. The definition of woke isn't Not Racist. I know quite a few of you guys like to argue it is because it suits your agenda but it's really not. There are a few definitions, one of which is 'alert to injustice, especially racism' Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out. I guess the upside is, anyone using the word "woke" as an insult is labelling identifying themselves. Why do you think it would only be a racist that would use the term as an insult? Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. Have you seen the definition of 'pretentious lefties'? Aside from the obvious, is there another definition? As I said, there's a few definitions. Although, none of them are Non-Racist. It's a word that has been repurposed like many others. As I said earlier, you're using the definition which suits your agenda and that's fine but you should also acknowledge there's others too. I don't have an agenda for dictionary definitions. If someone uses "woke" as an insult, they shouldn't be surprised that everyone thinks they have a problem with people who aren't racist I'd also point out that when people use the word woke as an insult, it's usually direct towards someone of the same race which in itself can't really be racist going by the dictionary definition. I didn't say they were being directly racist. But if someone thinks that not being racist is a bad thing, and use that as an insult, it's not a good look for them. Another definition? There's multiple, if you don't know this then it's not really worth the discussion. Non dictionary definitions? There's plenty of different dictionary and non-dictionary definitions. Did you miss the bit where I said the word has been repurposed? You keep saying 'people who aren't racist' are woke. I disagree. You disagree with the dictionary? You're arguing for dictionary definitions whilst not using a dictionary definition? That's not confusing at all. Now you say it isn't a good look if someone think not being racist is seen as a bad thing. Earlier you said 'not sure why a racist would be outraged' Yes. Not sure why racists get upset about being called out. So you're calling people out as racists for using the word woke as an insults which saying they're not directly being racist? That's not confusing either. So are you saying they're racist or not? I'm not saying anyone is racist or not racist. Just saying if someone uses "woke" as an insult, it's not a good look. You have said both in this one thread. Make your mind up. " | |||
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"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever." You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. | |||
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"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes." It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely. | |||
"Whether correct or not I don't know but I understood 'woke' to mean a person goes along with and supports elite agendas like: climate change, vaccines, not being a bad racist, and all the 'I stand with Manchester/Charlie Hebdo/Ukraine' stuff. Whereas 'awake' I understood to mean that a person is aware of elite agendas and knows the game, so doesn't go along with or support them. But who knows... lol "This is wildly different from what the dictionary says. | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely. "That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth. | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth. "Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism". Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves. | |||
"It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary." That's not how dictionaries work. In the English language, dictionaries record how words are being used. The word and its usage come first, then the dictionary records that information at a later date. Take the word 'wicked'. When I was a child, 'wicked' was synonymous with 'evil'. Then as I got older, the cool kids were all using 'wicked' to mean 'really good'. The English language changes day by day. Unless of course you were referring to the idea that 'woke' means 'non racist'. That is quite definitely your definition, which no one else agrees with. | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth.
Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism".
Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves. "I'd say anyone who also calls someone racist because they use a word in a way they don't agree with, especially when using said word does in any manner does not make someone racist, also tells the world a lot about themselves. How about actually taking the time to find out what someone means instead of slandering them? Unfortunately, that seems to be how it works these days, I'll stick with actually asking questions and digging a bit deeper to get a better understanding. | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth.
Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism".
Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves.
I'd say anyone who also calls someone racist because they use a word in a way they don't agree with, especially when using said word does in any manner does not make someone racist, also tells the world a lot about themselves.
How about actually taking the time to find out what someone means instead of slandering them?
Unfortunately, that seems to be how it works these days, I'll stick with actually asking questions and digging a bit deeper to get a better understanding."Excellent. Let's take a second. Nobody has called anybody anything here. We're discussing the meaning of a word. I maintain that anyone who thinks it's an insult to call someone "alert to racism", is merely telling the world a lot about themselves. | |||
"It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. That's not how dictionaries work. In the English language, dictionaries record how words are being used. The word and its usage come first, then the dictionary records that information at a later date. Take the word 'wicked'. When I was a child, 'wicked' was synonymous with 'evil'. Then as I got older, the cool kids were all using 'wicked' to mean 'really good'. The English language changes day by day. Unless of course you were referring to the idea that 'woke' means 'non racist'. That is quite definitely your definition, which no one else agrees with." So you have a problem with people who take dictionary definitions of words? Interesting goat beard. Personally I cheeseboard frosted snake armpit that point of view. | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth.
Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism".
Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves.
I'd say anyone who also calls someone racist because they use a word in a way they don't agree with, especially when using said word does in any manner does not make someone racist, also tells the world a lot about themselves.
How about actually taking the time to find out what someone means instead of slandering them?
Unfortunately, that seems to be how it works these days, I'll stick with actually asking questions and digging a bit deeper to get a better understanding.
Excellent.
Let's take a second. Nobody has called anybody anything here. We're discussing the meaning of a word.
I maintain that anyone who thinks it's an insult to call someone "alert to racism", is merely telling the world a lot about themselves. "Are you sure? Pretty sure your words were 'Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out.' | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth.
Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism".
Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves.
I'd say anyone who also calls someone racist because they use a word in a way they don't agree with, especially when using said word does in any manner does not make someone racist, also tells the world a lot about themselves.
How about actually taking the time to find out what someone means instead of slandering them?
Unfortunately, that seems to be how it works these days, I'll stick with actually asking questions and digging a bit deeper to get a better understanding.
Excellent.
Let's take a second. Nobody has called anybody anything here. We're discussing the meaning of a word.
I maintain that anyone who thinks it's an insult to call someone "alert to racism", is merely telling the world a lot about themselves.
Are you sure? Pretty sure your words were
'Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out.'"Yes? As you demonstrated, no one has called anybody anything. | |||
"So you have a problem with people who take dictionary definitions of words?" Not at all. I love it when people use a word in strict accordance with its dictionary definition, and I get upset when people use words incorrectly. That's why I'm not so happy with your own personal definition of 'woke'. | |||
"So you have a problem with people who take dictionary definitions of words? Not at all. I love it when people use a word in strict accordance with its dictionary definition, and I get upset when people use words incorrectly. That's why I'm not so happy with your own personal definition of 'woke'." I don't have a personal definition. I'll stick with the dictionary. Glad we finally agree, and that you're no longer a proponent for non dictionary definitions of "woke". | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth.
Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism".
Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves.
I'd say anyone who also calls someone racist because they use a word in a way they don't agree with, especially when using said word does in any manner does not make someone racist, also tells the world a lot about themselves.
How about actually taking the time to find out what someone means instead of slandering them?
Unfortunately, that seems to be how it works these days, I'll stick with actually asking questions and digging a bit deeper to get a better understanding.
Excellent.
Let's take a second. Nobody has called anybody anything here. We're discussing the meaning of a word.
I maintain that anyone who thinks it's an insult to call someone "alert to racism", is merely telling the world a lot about themselves.
Are you sure? Pretty sure your words were
'Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out.'
Yes?
As you demonstrated, no one has called anybody anything. "Did you forget you also wrote this? 'Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever.' Anyway, clearly you're trying to backtrack so I'll give up now. | |||
"Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever. You seem to be blissfully unaware that other people (almost all of them) have a different definition to you. The vast majority of the English speaking world define 'woke' as approximately 'being alert to injustice'. Obviously some people are good at spotting injustices, and some people are not good at it. Those not good at it fall into the camps of 'not spotting it when it's there', and 'seeing it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist'. If you're a reasonable person, not prejudiced, and aware that prejudice exists, you might consider that state to be normal, and not worthy of a label. In which case 'woke' would be the word to use to criticise the sort of person that insists that the popularity of white rice is colonial oppression since it banishes brown rice to lower status dishes. It's not my definition. You need to take up this argument with the Oxford English dictionary. Let me know how you get on. Also, for the record. I've no issue with white rice. It's lovely.
That's the point though, the OED has a definition of which you isolate one word and use it as if its the whole truth.
Erm, so yeah, should I not go with the Oxford English dictionary definition, which says "...especially racism".
Anyway, my point is, anyone using it as an insult is telling the world a lot about themselves.
I'd say anyone who also calls someone racist because they use a word in a way they don't agree with, especially when using said word does in any manner does not make someone racist, also tells the world a lot about themselves.
How about actually taking the time to find out what someone means instead of slandering them?
Unfortunately, that seems to be how it works these days, I'll stick with actually asking questions and digging a bit deeper to get a better understanding.
Excellent.
Let's take a second. Nobody has called anybody anything here. We're discussing the meaning of a word.
I maintain that anyone who thinks it's an insult to call someone "alert to racism", is merely telling the world a lot about themselves.
Are you sure? Pretty sure your words were
'Yes this is the dictionary definition, not sure why a racist would be outraged by people who are "woke", I suppose they don't like being called out.'
Yes?
As you demonstrated, no one has called anybody anything.
Did you forget you also wrote this?
'Why would anyone not a racist use it as an insult? That wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever.'
Anyway, clearly you're trying to backtrack so I'll give up now.
"What do you think I am backtracking? No one has called anyone anything. | |||
"Whether correct or not I don't know but I understood 'woke' to mean a person goes along with and supports elite agendas like: climate change, vaccines, not being a bad racist, and all the 'I stand with Manchester/Charlie Hebdo/Ukraine' stuff. Whereas 'awake' I understood to mean that a person is aware of elite agendas and knows the game, so doesn't go along with or support them. But who knows... lol
This is wildly different from what the dictionary says. "That doesn't surprise me. Which dictionary are you getting this definition from and what does it say? If you copy it here we can have a look. | |||
"Whether correct or not I don't know but I understood 'woke' to mean a person goes along with and supports elite agendas like: climate change, vaccines, not being a bad racist, and all the 'I stand with Manchester/Charlie Hebdo/Ukraine' stuff. Whereas 'awake' I understood to mean that a person is aware of elite agendas and knows the game, so doesn't go along with or support them. But who knows... lol
This is wildly different from what the dictionary says.
That doesn't surprise me. Which dictionary are you getting this definition from and what does it say? If you copy it here we can have a look. "Just have a Google. "Aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality" Cambridge dictionary. | |||
