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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So it’s a bit stupid.
New coal mine, for coking coal which 85% of it will be exported out of the country.
Is this hypocrisy?
££££
Owned by a company financed from the Cayman Islands "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production."
I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it |
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it "
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal."
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome "
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke. |
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke. "
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Surely it's better for our economy to export coal than to import it.
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Yes it is, but as a country which claims lead the road to zero emissions it's possibly not a good example to be profiting from one of the worst sources of pollution. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Black gold. It's the very material that fired up the industrial revolution.
China are one of the biggest users of it. Rather than focussing on how bad it would be to use or export coal, how about looking at banning all the useless crap that is made in China? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Surely it's better for our economy to export coal than to import it.
Yes it is, but as a country which claims lead the road to zero emissions it's possibly not a good example to be profiting from one of the worst sources of pollution."
In a way it depends who will be buying it and who the customer country currently buy it from. If the UK as a supplier is closer than the customers normal supplier country then it's possibly an improvement. Having said that I have no idea of who they intend to export to |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal."
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies. |
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal.
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies."
It's sheer pigheadedness to think we don't need the coking coal now because maybe in a few years/ decades time someone would have invented a new way to smelt steel at the level we already have.! |
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal.
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies.
It's sheer pigheadedness to think we don't need the coking coal now because maybe in a few years/ decades time someone would have invented a new way to smelt steel at the level we already have.!"
Shame this coal won't be used for this, just more greenhouse gasses and tax free profits for EMR Capital.
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal.
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies.
It's sheer pigheadedness to think we don't need the coking coal now because maybe in a few years/ decades time someone would have invented a new way to smelt steel at the level we already have.!
Shame this coal won't be used for this, just more greenhouse gasses and tax free profits for EMR Capital.
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Shame you criticise something which is good for a local economy and creating local employment.
It won't be long before you are moaning about no leveling up again though. |
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"Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?"
Yes, that's what we're saying.
The mineral we call coal is a carbon crystal structure containing trapped gases and oils. Some coals have a loose structure, and the gases and oils can be evaporated from them, leaving behind the pure carbon crystals. We call this 'c o k e'. I'll use 'cke' from now on to avoid the filters.
The metal we call steel is a mixture of iron and carbon. The blast furnace method of steel production heats the iron oxide in the same vessel as the fuel. If you use cke as the fuel, some of the carbon infuses into the iron, so you get the iron/carbon mixing done as part of the process.
You can't use coal in a blast furnace as all the other impurities would make unusable steel, so we need cke, and only certain grades of coal can be heated to form cke. So yes, there are 'good' coals, and 'bad' coals.
Whichever method you use to make steel, you will need to add carbon to iron. That carbon is most easily obtained by creating cke, and adding it to the furnace.
This new mine creates coal which is suitable for coking, which means that it won't all be burnt. Some of it will become new steel, and won't contribute to CO2 levels in the atmosphere. |
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"Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Yes, that's what we're saying.
The mineral we call coal is a carbon crystal structure containing trapped gases and oils. Some coals have a loose structure, and the gases and oils can be evaporated from them, leaving behind the pure carbon crystals. We call this 'c o k e'. I'll use 'cke' from now on to avoid the filters.
The metal we call steel is a mixture of iron and carbon. The blast furnace method of steel production heats the iron oxide in the same vessel as the fuel. If you use cke as the fuel, some of the carbon infuses into the iron, so you get the iron/carbon mixing done as part of the process.
You can't use coal in a blast furnace as all the other impurities would make unusable steel, so we need cke, and only certain grades of coal can be heated to form cke. So yes, there are 'good' coals, and 'bad' coals.
Whichever method you use to make steel, you will need to add carbon to iron. That carbon is most easily obtained by creating cke, and adding it to the furnace.
This new mine creates coal which is suitable for coking, which means that it won't all be burnt. Some of it will become new steel, and won't contribute to CO2 levels in the atmosphere."
That's a great post my friend but sadly it will be ignored by the green fanatics. |
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Personality people how think this is a bad idea need to look at all building materials.
We fire bricks all the time so should we stop building houses out of them.
Melt sand for glass. ETC coal for steel? What are wind turbines made from?
Mining lithium for batteries is posable less green then mining coal.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal.
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies.
It's sheer pigheadedness to think we don't need the coking coal now because maybe in a few years/ decades time someone would have invented a new way to smelt steel at the level we already have.!"
But we don’t need it, even our own industry said it doesn’t want it because of the high sulphur content of the coal being extracted.
The change is happening already, companies throughout the world are moving forward, and ideas like this are shaping the future economy. If we miss out again then it’s the government looking at their short term interests and their need to make a quick buck before they are kicked out next GE.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Yes, that's what we're saying.
The mineral we call coal is a carbon crystal structure containing trapped gases and oils. Some coals have a loose structure, and the gases and oils can be evaporated from them, leaving behind the pure carbon crystals. We call this 'c o k e'. I'll use 'cke' from now on to avoid the filters.
The metal we call steel is a mixture of iron and carbon. The blast furnace method of steel production heats the iron oxide in the same vessel as the fuel. If you use cke as the fuel, some of the carbon infuses into the iron, so you get the iron/carbon mixing done as part of the process.
You can't use coal in a blast furnace as all the other impurities would make unusable steel, so we need cke, and only certain grades of coal can be heated to form cke. So yes, there are 'good' coals, and 'bad' coals.
Whichever method you use to make steel, you will need to add carbon to iron. That carbon is most easily obtained by creating cke, and adding it to the furnace.
This new mine creates coal which is suitable for coking, which means that it won't all be burnt. Some of it will become new steel, and won't contribute to CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
That's a great post my friend but sadly it will be ignored by the green fanatics."
Because it sounds so plausible, of course you’d think it ties everything up in a neat bow.
Coking coal, which 85% of it will be exported.
Have you considered the follow on CO2 emissions for exporting it? In massive ships, or trucks? Or the extraction process? Are they going to be using coal miners with pick axes to take the coal out of the earth? Or big machinery?
There is a massive environmental impact.
But it does make me laugh, that NIMBY’s would refuse to have Wind turbines, but are all up for dirty coal mines to be opened. Fucking hilarious. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal.
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies.
It's sheer pigheadedness to think we don't need the coking coal now because maybe in a few years/ decades time someone would have invented a new way to smelt steel at the level we already have.!
But we don’t need it, even our own industry said it doesn’t want it because of the high sulphur content of the coal being extracted.
The change is happening already, companies throughout the world are moving forward, and ideas like this are shaping the future economy. If we miss out again then it’s the government looking at their short term interests and their need to make a quick buck before they are kicked out next GE.
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I keep seeing conflicting stories on the intended destination of this. As you say British steel are not keen on the sulphur but some outlets still mention that it is to be used for British steel. Also if 85% is to be exported, where is the other 15% going. Is there any reason why we can't both upgrade British steel plants to the non coal type and export the coal to places that still use coal type production. I agree moving away from coal is good but some places might not be able to for quite a while so will continue to import coal regardless. |
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"The time taken to get through all the legal challenges to this project, will make the business model unprofitable.
I expect no coal mine and no production.I bet it's up and running before summer I'm all for it
It's very good for the local economy and for new jobs in the area.
Also great news for the steel industry that needs this type of coal.
That's what I thought too, but it seems it's not the right sort of coal to be used locally in the steel industry. Still exports are always welcome
So exporting something which increase carbon emissions, increases pollution.
Yes when COP happened in Glasgow the tories were bollocking other countries about using Coal?
Smacks to me of real hypocrisy. Doing this holier than thou thing. All we get is other countries calling us a joke.
I don't think you understand the difference between using coal for Electricity and using coking coal for the manufacture of steel.
Unless you want builders to use trees/wood instead of steel for construction we are going to need coking coal.
The mine is for coking coal. Coal is mostly carbon but contains mostly water and less than half the carbon content of coal.
Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Saying depending on the usage of coal there’s a difference is a weak argument.
Economically, other countries are looking at alternative technologies to smelt steel, if we were going to export something it would be creating this tech and then licensing it to other countries.
It’s sheer pigheadedness on the governments part to think that a few hundred jobs are enough, when the bigger prize of an entirely new industry would create thousands of jobs in the long run.
That’s where the economy is heading. Solutions for the future, not reliance on near extinct technologies.
It's sheer pigheadedness to think we don't need the coking coal now because maybe in a few years/ decades time someone would have invented a new way to smelt steel at the level we already have.!
Shame this coal won't be used for this, just more greenhouse gasses and tax free profits for EMR Capital.
Shame you criticise something which is good for a local economy and creating local employment.
It won't be long before you are moaning about no leveling up again though."
You've mixed me up with someone else.
Still, this is a victory for non-tax paying corporations. Good work.
Bollocks to the environment, the planet and British people. |
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"Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Yes, that's what we're saying.
The mineral we call coal is a carbon crystal structure containing trapped gases and oils. Some coals have a loose structure, and the gases and oils can be evaporated from them, leaving behind the pure carbon crystals. We call this 'c o k e'. I'll use 'cke' from now on to avoid the filters.
The metal we call steel is a mixture of iron and carbon. The blast furnace method of steel production heats the iron oxide in the same vessel as the fuel. If you use cke as the fuel, some of the carbon infuses into the iron, so you get the iron/carbon mixing done as part of the process.
You can't use coal in a blast furnace as all the other impurities would make unusable steel, so we need cke, and only certain grades of coal can be heated to form cke. So yes, there are 'good' coals, and 'bad' coals.
Whichever method you use to make steel, you will need to add carbon to iron. That carbon is most easily obtained by creating cke, and adding it to the furnace.
This new mine creates coal which is suitable for coking, which means that it won't all be burnt. Some of it will become new steel, and won't contribute to CO2 levels in the atmosphere."
Lots are missing the point to make steel you need carbon. Where do they think it will come from?? |
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"Does coal burn? Does it emit CO2 from burning? Are you saying there is good coal and bad coal?
Yes, that's what we're saying.
The mineral we call coal is a carbon crystal structure containing trapped gases and oils. Some coals have a loose structure, and the gases and oils can be evaporated from them, leaving behind the pure carbon crystals. We call this 'c o k e'. I'll use 'cke' from now on to avoid the filters.
The metal we call steel is a mixture of iron and carbon. The blast furnace method of steel production heats the iron oxide in the same vessel as the fuel. If you use cke as the fuel, some of the carbon infuses into the iron, so you get the iron/carbon mixing done as part of the process.
You can't use coal in a blast furnace as all the other impurities would make unusable steel, so we need cke, and only certain grades of coal can be heated to form cke. So yes, there are 'good' coals, and 'bad' coals.
Whichever method you use to make steel, you will need to add carbon to iron. That carbon is most easily obtained by creating cke, and adding it to the furnace.
This new mine creates coal which is suitable for coking, which means that it won't all be burnt. Some of it will become new steel, and won't contribute to CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
Lots are missing the point to make steel you need carbon. Where do they think it will come from??"
Not from this mine in Cumbria. |
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