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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Think it's more Putin's arse licking puppet on a string president Hungary have.
Viktor Orbán - a rightwing Putin ally happy to watch and encourage Ukraine’s destruction. He's on the Kremlin payroll and a danger to the security and integrity of the EU. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Think it's more Putin's arse licking puppet on a string president Hungary have.
Viktor Orbán - a rightwing Putin ally happy to watch and encourage Ukraine’s destruction. He's on the Kremlin payroll and a danger to the security and integrity of the EU."
He definitely seems closer to Putin than some of the others but if what some are saying is true then he is blocking due to EU withholding funds that Hungary are entitled to. I understand for this deal that all countries need to agree but what is stopping each country donating to Ukraine individually? |
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By *I Two OP Couple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave."
You mean the UK could have said no to an EU Army without leaving ?
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
You mean the UK could have said no to an EU Army without leaving ?
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Why don't the 26 other countries just make their donations directly to Ukraine ? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
You mean the UK could have said no to an EU Army without leaving ?
Why don't the 26 other countries just make their donations directly to Ukraine ? "
If a resolution can't be found, then that is the plan.
The problem then becomes on of time, as that expenditure would have to go through each individual countries legislative process....and that is never easy! |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
You mean the UK could have said no to an EU Army without leaving ?
Why don't the 26 other countries just make their donations directly to Ukraine ?
If a resolution can't be found, then that is the plan.
The problem then becomes on of time, as that expenditure would have to go through each individual countries legislative process....and that is never easy!"
Seems very cumbersome. If it takes time to get through their parliaments then the sooner they start the better. It might have been quicker overall if they had done this from the start. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
You mean the UK could have said no to an EU Army without leaving ?
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Yep! Crazy I know! To think the UK could have used its’ veto!!!!
Ironically Sunak recently signed off on closer military collaboration with EU member states. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should they be kicked out of the EU
No, they are allowed to have a veto
Which is why it doesn't work. It'll work it's way into people's thinking eventually "
Meanwhile it will continue to be a gravy train for well connected folk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should they be kicked out of the EU
No, they are allowed to have a veto
Which is why it doesn't work. It'll work it's way into people's thinking eventually "
Works perfectly well, that is why we are the only country who wanted to leave, in fact, countries are desperate to join |
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"Should they be kicked out of the EU
No, they are allowed to have a veto
Which is why it doesn't work. It'll work it's way into people's thinking eventually
Works perfectly well, that is why we are the only country who wanted to leave, in fact, countries are desperate to join "
So one country's veto can trump the wishes of the other 26  Member states? You're welcome to your world |
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"Should they be kicked out of the EU
No, they are allowed to have a veto
Which is why it doesn't work. It'll work it's way into people's thinking eventually
Works perfectly well, that is why we are the only country who wanted to leave, in fact, countries are desperate to join
So one country's veto can trump the wishes of the other 26 Member states? You're welcome to your world"
I can see why you voted for brexit. |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
“You mean the UK could have said no to an EU Army without leaving?”
Yup, in the same way the UK said no to paying its full whack at the Fontainebleau summit (the “Thatcher Rebate”), no to Schengen, no to the euro…
Sovereignty? We voted for something we’d never lost! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Should they be kicked out of the EU "
The problem is, like us, with their Government rather than their population with corruption of both an independent judiciary and press.
However, ultimately the answer is yes if the withholding of funds doesn't make it clear to the population what the consequences are. There have been no consequences this far because the EU tries to operate on consensus. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
Doesn't it just"
So both?
The EU is not able to adapt quickly because it relies on consensus.
There was never any threat to UK democracy because it retained a veto on most substantive matters. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Should they be kicked out of the EU
No, they are allowed to have a veto
Which is why it doesn't work. It'll work it's way into people's thinking eventually
Meanwhile it will continue to be a gravy train for well connected folk."
As are PPE, private medicine, oil, coal mining, banking and government "advising" and consultancy in the UK  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Think it's more Putin's arse licking puppet on a string president Hungary have.
Viktor Orbán - a rightwing Putin ally happy to watch and encourage Ukraine’s destruction. He's on the Kremlin payroll and a danger to the security and integrity of the EU.
He definitely seems closer to Putin than some of the others but if what some are saying is true then he is blocking due to EU withholding funds that Hungary are entitled to. I understand for this deal that all countries need to agree but what is stopping each country donating to Ukraine individually?"
"Entitled to"? Have you looked into the reasons why these funds are finally being withheld?
It's due to gerrymandering the electoral process, loss of judicial and press independence, financial corruption and erosion of minority and LGBT rights.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63806254.amp
It's been a long time coming because the EU tries to function on consensus.
So, yes, this is probably Hungary trying to gain leverage. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Think it's more Putin's arse licking puppet on a string president Hungary have.
Viktor Orbán - a rightwing Putin ally happy to watch and encourage Ukraine’s destruction. He's on the Kremlin payroll and a danger to the security and integrity of the EU.
He definitely seems closer to Putin than some of the others but if what some are saying is true then he is blocking due to EU withholding funds that Hungary are entitled to. I understand for this deal that all countries need to agree but what is stopping each country donating to Ukraine individually?
"Entitled to"? Have you looked into the reasons why these funds are finally being withheld?
It's due to gerrymandering the electoral process, loss of judicial and press independence, financial corruption and erosion of minority and LGBT rights.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63806254.amp
It's been a long time coming because the EU tries to function on consensus.
So, yes, this is probably Hungary trying to gain leverage."
Yes I see the BBC report on it a few days ago. They also highlight the electoral system ect as the reason why the funds are withheld. They did mention that the funds have been approved hence the entitled word though being withheld due to the reasons mentioned. I suppose you could say it either way. I would imagine Hungary will play on this and block other actions where possible, though it could come back to bite them |
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"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
Doesn't it just
So both?
The EU is not able to adapt quickly because it relies on consensus.
There was never any threat to UK democracy because it retained a veto on most substantive matters."
I was referring to the structural weakness. One voice can stop the majority. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
The veto vote will be the downfall of the EU, in the not to distant future Hungary will either be be removed from the EU, or get on side very quickly if the EU continues to exist. If Ukraine fails in its mission to kick the Russians out, then the EU will go one of two ways, a more united Europe with EU ruling it or end up a few states short as Russia expands.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
Doesn't it just
So both?
The EU is not able to adapt quickly because it relies on consensus.
There was never any threat to UK democracy because it retained a veto on most substantive matters.
I was referring to the structural weakness. One voice can stop the majority. "
Isn't that "sovereignty"? |
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"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
Doesn't it just
So both?
The EU is not able to adapt quickly because it relies on consensus.
There was never any threat to UK democracy because it retained a veto on most substantive matters.
I was referring to the structural weakness. One voice can stop the majority.
Isn't that "sovereignty"?"
It's not democracy |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
Amazing, seems my post offended someone who told me to stop spreading propaganda and that Russia isn't expanding. Clearly doesn't remember Crimea in 2014 and and the recent annexations of the four districts in Ukraine - is that not expansion. With Russian troops in Moldova, it seems they had eyes on more than Ukraine. Maybe the same person sees the recent build up of NATO equipment and forces in Eastern Europe as propaganda as well and not a response to the actual attempt of Russia to expand.
The mind boggles. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"As someone who wanted to Remain, this does simultaneously show the possible structural weakness in the EU and undermines the sovereignty arguments underpinning Leave.
Doesn't it just
So both?
The EU is not able to adapt quickly because it relies on consensus.
There was never any threat to UK democracy because it retained a veto on most substantive matters.
I was referring to the structural weakness. One voice can stop the majority.
Isn't that "sovereignty"?
It's not democracy "
Why not? Do democracies not have vetoes? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The veto vote will be the downfall of the EU, in the not to distant future Hungary will either be be removed from the EU, or get on side very quickly if the EU continues to exist. If Ukraine fails in its mission to kick the Russians out, then the EU will go one of two ways, a more united Europe with EU ruling it or end up a few states short as Russia expands.
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Looking like this latest bribery scandal in the EU won't help matters but just a hiccup in the grand scheme of things |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The veto vote will be the downfall of the EU, in the not to distant future Hungary will either be be removed from the EU, or get on side very quickly if the EU continues to exist. If Ukraine fails in its mission to kick the Russians out, then the EU will go one of two ways, a more united Europe with EU ruling it or end up a few states short as Russia expands.
Looking like this latest bribery scandal in the EU won't help matters but just a hiccup in the grand scheme of things"
Pretty significant corruption with what sounds like a lot of Qatari money.
However, arrests made, so not being hidden or denied. That's something. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The veto vote will be the downfall of the EU, in the not to distant future Hungary will either be be removed from the EU, or get on side very quickly if the EU continues to exist. If Ukraine fails in its mission to kick the Russians out, then the EU will go one of two ways, a more united Europe with EU ruling it or end up a few states short as Russia expands.
Looking like this latest bribery scandal in the EU won't help matters but just a hiccup in the grand scheme of things
Pretty significant corruption with what sounds like a lot of Qatari money.
However, arrests made, so not being hidden or denied. That's something."
Certainly seems linked to the world cup. Now it been exposed it is not hidden, that's for sure. I suspect the perpetrators would have preferred it to have stayed hidden |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The veto vote will be the downfall of the EU, in the not to distant future Hungary will either be be removed from the EU, or get on side very quickly if the EU continues to exist. If Ukraine fails in its mission to kick the Russians out, then the EU will go one of two ways, a more united Europe with EU ruling it or end up a few states short as Russia expands.
Looking like this latest bribery scandal in the EU won't help matters but just a hiccup in the grand scheme of things
Pretty significant corruption with what sounds like a lot of Qatari money.
However, arrests made, so not being hidden or denied. That's something.
Certainly seems linked to the world cup. Now it been exposed it is not hidden, that's for sure. I suspect the perpetrators would have preferred it to have stayed hidden"
I think that's the usual preference for criminals  |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The veto vote will be the downfall of the EU, in the not to distant future Hungary will either be be removed from the EU, or get on side very quickly if the EU continues to exist. If Ukraine fails in its mission to kick the Russians out, then the EU will go one of two ways, a more united Europe with EU ruling it or end up a few states short as Russia expands.
Looking like this latest bribery scandal in the EU won't help matters but just a hiccup in the grand scheme of things
Pretty significant corruption with what sounds like a lot of Qatari money.
However, arrests made, so not being hidden or denied. That's something.
Certainly seems linked to the world cup. Now it been exposed it is not hidden, that's for sure. I suspect the perpetrators would have preferred it to have stayed hidden
I think that's the usual preference for criminals "
This is true, though not sure they have been convicted yet but does not look good. Not a good look for all concerned |
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