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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Personally I whole heartedly back the strikes,but just wondering what people's views actually are on the subject.."
Strikes are often a last resort and are necessary when workers are not been paid what they deserve and prevents them from being exploited by nefarious employers |
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"Personally I whole heartedly back the strikes,but just wondering what people's views actually are on the subject..
Strikes are often a last resort and are necessary when workers are not been paid what they deserve and prevents them from being exploited by nefarious employers "
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I totally support the right of any workers to withdraw their labour. The press are doing their level best to try and show strikers as greedy people exploiting the working classes. While defending the millionaires and tax dodging multi nationals. We even had an arse of a Tory minister try and equate strikers as giving succour to Putin during this Ukraine conflict, laughable and playing us for fools at the same time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So many strikes recently & coming up.
Option A: alllllll these strikers are wrong to strike.
Option B: the strikers are right to strike as a last resort.
I know which option I believe. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?"
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
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In principal, I back the strikes.
I am against them in general. For the only reason being, the people going on strike are struggling to make ends meey, then to not work for god knows how many days, it will make them worse off.
Strike pay wont cover much of the earnings they have lost. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Currys has dropped Royal Mail temporarily as their main carrier.
Isn't it strange that last year Royal Mail was making £1m profit per day, yet when strikes start, they claim they're losing £1m per day - Whixh is it?
The loss is not strike related, they are claiming this as reason not to increase. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Two of my suppliers have permanently taken the 'Royal Mail' option off their website.
Saturday's postman turned up at 3pm, just to deliver a handful of (unsolicted) advertising flyers.
Whilst I support the right to strike, I do wander what working environment they will return to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If folk want to strike for better pay then that's up to them. Given the rate of inflation, fuel, and costs, and the low pay rises over the years we can't blame them.
We also dont believe the lie that more pay means more inflation. Think about it, if you can't buy as much because of massive price rises, upping your pay won't male you buy more then you used to before. You may very well still end up with less than before. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
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Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??"
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July? |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July? "
Your original post said " doing very well" 3-4% I would class as doing ok. I'm not getting rich out of it which very well implies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July?
Your original post said " doing very well" 3-4% I would class as doing ok. I'm not getting rich out of it which very well implies."
You have less than £1000 invested,  |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July?
Your original post said " doing very well" 3-4% I would class as doing ok. I'm not getting rich out of it which very well implies.
You have less than £1000 invested, "
That £750 was the maximum you could buy at the time. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July?
Your original post said " doing very well" 3-4% I would class as doing ok. I'm not getting rich out of it which very well implies."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July?
Your original post said " doing very well" 3-4% I would class as doing ok. I'm not getting rich out of it which very well implies."
Tell me what your dividend were in 2014,15,16,17 or even last year..
As for your share price dropping all I can say us ' there there'.. Due dalliance, matey,and sell while they're up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait until the postmen go back to work. They will be so delighted at their pay rise, the only problem is there won't be much work for them and they'll be wondering what's going on.
Recently the parcel post went up and to send a small parcel is now comparable with courier prices. Customers are getting fed up waiting for their orders, business are getting fed up with the customers complaining, so they're moving to courier firms.
I wonder how many people supporting the strikes are getting annoyed that the online order they did last week hasn't arrived yet?
The problems you have suggested has nothing to do with decent pay and conditions, and has more to do with mismanagement of the company..
Don't forget, it was sold for far far less that its true value and the current shareholders have done very well with their dividends..
However,if you are more angry that your delivery has been delayed by the strike than you are for the reasons for the strike in the first place then perhaps you are part of the problem..
Two things, I'm not complaining about parcels arriving late but my customers are. We're even being accused of using the Royal mail strikes as an excuse for poor service?? Before the strikes, we sent our goods 50/50 between the post and courier, now it's 95% courier and 5% post. We're only a small business sending 20 parcels a day, probably 50-80 during the summer. If a lot of small business are doing the same thing then that's not going to be good for you Royal Mail.
Shareholders doing well out of dividends you say. The most I've received in dividend is £35 in a year, usually it's £20 something. My shares are currently worth £679 at todays price. Nine years ago they cost me £750.
I don't call that a great return and doing well??
So you’re getting about 3-4 % per year? BT shares have dropped over 70 points since July?
Your original post said " doing very well" 3-4% I would class as doing ok. I'm not getting rich out of it which very well implies.
You have less than £1000 invested,
That £750 was the maximum you could buy at the time."
If you had sold in July you would have made a profit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yest wealth should be better shared, but the biggest single issue isn't pay, it's what you have to pay out to live especially rent. A rent cap by area worked in the USA, whist the rest of their country is screwed, this worked. I would have more respect for unions if their Barron's gave up their pay whilst they took their membership out on strike and if they earned less than the prime minister..... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yest wealth should be better shared, but the biggest single issue isn't pay, it's what you have to pay out to live especially rent. A rent cap by area worked in the USA, whist the rest of their country is screwed, this worked. I would have more respect for unions if their Barron's gave up their pay whilst they took their membership out on strike and if they earned less than the prime minister....."
Totally agree with what you've said regarding rent caps,but do you really believe the union bosses earn more than the PM?
It may look that way on paper..
Mick lynch was asked that same question by a right wing media journalist..It didn't end well for the journalist.. Look for it on YouTube..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yest wealth should be better shared, but the biggest single issue isn't pay, it's what you have to pay out to live especially rent. A rent cap by area worked in the USA, whist the rest of their country is screwed, this worked. I would have more respect for unions if their Barron's gave up their pay whilst they took their membership out on strike and if they earned less than the prime minister.....
Totally agree with what you've said regarding rent caps,but do you really believe the union bosses earn more than the PM?
It may look that way on paper..
Mick lynch was asked that same question by a right wing media journalist..It didn't end well for the journalist.. Look for it on YouTube..
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Lynch has a long track record of destroying people who come at him with gotcha questions. It's a pleasure to watch lol
I do find it interesting that certain media tend to throw out misleading or even untrue figures about Lynch/his members/nurses etc. But they never seem to mention the vast profits made by certain companies/sharholders/owners etc... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's also worth pointing out strikes tend not to be just about the money. Lay offs/ working conditions / pensions etc tend to be as big an issue or an even bigger issue.
But certain media don't focus on that. They know they have a better chance of demonising strikers if they paint strikers as just being greedy troublemakers. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yest wealth should be better shared, but the biggest single issue isn't pay, it's what you have to pay out to live especially rent. A rent cap by area worked in the USA, whist the rest of their country is screwed, this worked. I would have more respect for unions if their Barron's gave up their pay whilst they took their membership out on strike and if they earned less than the prime minister.....
Totally agree with what you've said regarding rent caps,but do you really believe the union bosses earn more than the PM?
It may look that way on paper..
Mick lynch was asked that same question by a right wing media journalist..It didn't end well for the journalist.. Look for it on YouTube..
Lynch has a long track record of destroying people who come at him with gotcha questions. It's a pleasure to watch lol
I do find it interesting that certain media tend to throw out misleading or even untrue figures about Lynch/his members/nurses etc. But they never seem to mention the vast profits made by certain companies/sharholders/owners etc..."
Yeah, I find Lynch's interviews the best entertainment on TV tbh..
And you have nailed it with the latter part of your comment..
The media are the problem,spewing lies for the 'Establishment'that 90% of the population believes.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's also worth pointing out strikes tend not to be just about the money. Lay offs/ working conditions / pensions etc tend to be as big an issue or an even bigger issue.
But certain media don't focus on that. They know they have a better chance of demonising strikers if they paint strikers as just being greedy troublemakers."
As they always have.. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
So how much does Mick Lynch actually earn?
He claims a salary of £84k plus NI , tax and pension contributions? (Thought salaries were always quoted as the top figure??)
Does he have any other benefits available to him?
Genuinely curious. |
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"So how much does Mick Lynch actually earn?
He claims a salary of £84k plus NI , tax and pension contributions? (Thought salaries were always quoted as the top figure??)
Does he have any other benefits available to him?
Genuinely curious."
All salaries for officials at his level are voted in by the members of that union, paid for by the members and they can vote out the incumbents if they feel their best interests are not being looked after..
The union's finances if which expenses are a part are independently audited and openly available to any paid member..
Other bodies like political parties are nowhere near as open despite saying they are .. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"If folk want to strike for better pay then that's up to them. Given the rate of inflation, fuel, and costs, and the low pay rises over the years we can't blame them.
We also dont believe the lie that more pay means more inflation. Think about it, if you can't buy as much because of massive price rises, upping your pay won't male you buy more then you used to before. You may very well still end up with less than before."
What you buy or how much you buy with your extra wage is only one part of the story. The money has to come from somewhere to pay that extra wage |
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For.
It's not just about pay it's conditions and terms of employment.
To prevent further exploitation of worker's.
Particularly low paid who are the ones who get the worst terms and conditions and for certain sectors hammered with these zero hour fucking contracts.
Without unions we'd probably all be working 6days a week 60+ Hr's
No sick pay or holiday.
Or self employed as Thatcher wanted us all to be.
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For.
Whatever the cost or inconvenience to me, pales in to insignificance compared to the greater need.
It's not all about me.
It's all about them.
Because one day, I might be one them too.
(I have been in the past).
Now they need my support and my patience, my understanding and my empathy.
So for. 100%.
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"Same shit every year it’s always at the busiest times iv lost support for them all now
You better get used to them, there are far more to come "
there always is this time of year it’s been going on for decades |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Same shit every year it’s always at the busiest times iv lost support for them all now
You better get used to them, there are far more to come there always is this time of year it’s been going on for decades "
Really? I don’t remember this many strikes happening for a long time |
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As a train driver I’m getting increasingly annoyed that all the strikes seem to be because of us, which they are not, and most the figures quote our salaries, which have nothing to do with the RMT.
There does have to be some reform, but not to the extremes the government etc want, but equally I’m not sure where the unions think the pot of money will keep coming from. |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
"As a train driver I’m getting increasingly annoyed that all the strikes seem to be because of us, which they are not, and most the figures quote our salaries, which have nothing to do with the RMT.
There does have to be some reform, but not to the extremes the government etc want, but equally I’m not sure where the unions think the pot of money will keep coming from."
I am now retired. Used years ago to be shop steward and did wage negotiations. Yes part of strike is about terms / conditions. Plus pay.
How many days of strikes before people end up actually losing money for the next year.
This I say as. If 10% pay rise asked for . Then looking at say 7.5% pay rise. Once many days of strikes. Cannot turn around and say now want 15% pay rise due to days on strike ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Flew away just before Christmas and returned 28th. Never passed through the airport so quickly! The Army were superb.
As you might expect. "
Because they were just waving people through without checking them |
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"Flew away just before Christmas and returned 28th. Never passed through the airport so quickly! The Army were superb.
As you might expect.
Because they were just waving people through without checking them "
Where did you witness that? Or hear about it? My passport was checked in the normal manner, but just with a refreshing air of efficiency on the part of the Army and an air of additional compliance on the part of travellers.
In any event, 'just waving people through without checking them' would ordinarily appeal to you on the left?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Just wondering seeing as poor management and government minister interference leads to some of these strikes , should the directors and ministers lose their pay for the duration of the strike too?
I’m sure that would concentrate a few minds! |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Flew away just before Christmas and returned 28th. Never passed through the airport so quickly! The Army were superb.
As you might expect. "
A relative of mine done a similar thing. Went out on Christmas eve and returned on New years eve. I did fear for them thinking they would face big delays but everything was like clockwork. No delays at the Spanish airport either on arrival. I thought they would be delayed at passport control |
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"Flew away just before Christmas and returned 28th. Never passed through the airport so quickly! The Army were superb.
As you might expect.
Because they were just waving people through without checking them
Where did you witness that? Or hear about it? My passport was checked in the normal manner, but just with a refreshing air of efficiency on the part of the Army and an air of additional compliance on the part of travellers.
In any event, 'just waving people through without checking them' would ordinarily appeal to you on the left?
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"Apparently the stopped to search statistics at Heathrow were at 10% of normal numbers . Still I suppose the smugglers and illegals had a quick arrival too.  "
And on the bright side the cost of drugs might come down..
Oh but more overdoses will increase demand on AE |
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