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Baroness Mone rips off taxpayer £29m

By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

Just remember when Hunt and Sunak bang on about the £50bn black hole in government finances, that up to £9bn of that can be attributed to the write off on substandard or undelivered PPE.

Also remember that the government insisted on setting up a VIP procurement channel that enabled Tory Ministers, MPs and Peers to recommend companies they had connections to or knowledge of that also circumvented due diligence normally undertaken by the Civil Service.

Also remember that companies coming via the VIP route were ten times more likely to secure a contract.

Also remember that many of these companies had no prior expertise or experience in the sourcing, manufacturing or supply of PPE.

Don’t forget that many of those companies were actually set up in the weeks prior to the VIP scheme being established and that many of them were registered in tax havens such as the Isle of Man.

One such company was MedPro PPE set up by a chap called Doug Barrowman. He has an interesting and chequered history. MedPro PPE secured a £200m PPE contract from which Barrowman made £65m in profit (nice margin hey) all of which was paid offshore in IoM so no tax paid.

MedPro PPE secured the contract via the VIP lane after extensive lobbying by Tory Peer Baroness Mone. She and her lawyers claimed she had no connection to MedPro PPE and would not personally benefit from the contract. Except this was not true!

Baroness Mone is married to Doug Barrowman and the Trust Fund that she and her kids benefit from (which is registered in the IoM and attracts no tax liabilities) was paid £29m from the profits received from MedPro PPE.

Seems like there actually always has been plenty of money, but only when it is being paid to cronies, donors, friends and family!

This is the tip of a huge iceberg. The taxpayers of the UK have been fleeced under the smokescreen of Covid and are now having to foot the bill to put the money back.

Thieving crooked bastards!

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By *iscreet-is-paramountMan over a year ago

travel around a lot.

Cant blame folk for moving to NZ.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"Cant blame folk for moving to NZ."

But you can blame them for continuously voting for these pricks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's not forget MedPro is also currently under investigation for fraud irrc.

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"Let's not forget MedPro is also currently under investigation for fraud irrc. "

Yep. Good! There’s more to come and this isn’t the only one. It is yet another reason the Tories want to win the next election. More time to cover tracks and kick this stuff into the long grass.

Johnson presided over the largest transfer of state assets (in this case “money”) to private hands in history.

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By *ustintime69Man over a year ago

london

"Let's not forget MedPro is also currently under investigation for fraud irrc.

Yep. Good! There’s more to come and this isn’t the only one. It is yet another reason the Tories want to win the next election. More time to cover tracks and kick this stuff into the long grass.

Johnson presided over the largest transfer of state assets (in this case “money”) to private hands in history."

Isn’t that just the Tory way! Thatcher selling off social housing and preventing new social housing being built to put us all deeper in debt to the banks and skew value to property rather than manufacturing. These fuckers are stealing from us all but they don’t even have the grace to hide their mendacity these days

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Just remember when Hunt and Sunak bang on about the £50bn black hole in government finances, that up to £9bn of that can be attributed to the write off on substandard or undelivered PPE.

Also remember that companies coming via the VIP route were ten times more likely to secure a contract.

Also remember that many of these companies had no prior expertise or experience in the sourcing, manufacturing or supply of PPE.

Don’t forget that many of those companies were actually set up in the weeks prior to the VIP scheme being established and that many of them were registered in tax havens such as the Isle of Man.

Seems like there actually always has been plenty of money, but only when it is being paid to cronies, donors, friends and family!

This is the tip of a huge iceberg. The taxpayers of the UK have been fleeced under the smokescreen of Covid and are now having to foot the bill to put the money back.

Thieving crooked bastards!"

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

Oh this is getting even better...

Baroness Mone put forward this company to the VIP lane to supply PPE equipment……FIVE DAYS BEFORE THAT COMPANY BECAME INCORPORATED!!!!

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

It is indeed the tip of the iceberg. When you work in senior management in any of the public services - heath, education, you see this constantly. But to be fair most companies bidding, even those without connections to politicians see public sector contracts as a cash cow

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cant blame folk for moving to NZ.

But you can blame them for continuously voting for these pricks."

Precisely..

There's no cure for stupid..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now."

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

Hope her and hubby get jailed for a long time,and any others who were in on it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hope her and hubby get jailed for a long time,and any others who were in on it"

No chance she is a baroness, so part of the privy counse,l untouchable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Look on the bright side, imagine how much worse it would have been under Corbyn..

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ "

People will tolerate it and worse, they will attack anyone who dares change the system with any tactic other than whining on the internet….look at the abuse climate change activists get for daring to disrupt. And they will keep choosing people like Bojo to lead them , because he’s posh and clever

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ "
song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed

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By *atielpoolTV/TS over a year ago

liverpool

They certainly look after their own crooks, I wonder if future governments order a criminal inquiry into some of these deals

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"It is indeed the tip of the iceberg. When you work in senior management in any of the public services - heath, education, you see this constantly. But to be fair most companies bidding, even those without connections to politicians see public sector contracts as a cash cow"

Every company in the private sector see contracts with public sector as good proffit there is so much red tape its only some company's biding for contracts.

Councils need to bring more services back in house Hastings Council is about to try and bring park and gardens back under ownership.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed "

Nah, the electorate here don't really care. They keep voting for these pricks, and shouting down anyone who thinks we deserve better. We're a million miles away from any kind of direct action.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed

Nah, the electorate here don't really care. They keep voting for these pricks, and shouting down anyone who thinks we deserve better. We're a million miles away from any kind of direct action. "

Direct action has been in progress since the pandemic well before way before the pandemic, the media are not reporting it.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed

Nah, the electorate here don't really care. They keep voting for these pricks, and shouting down anyone who thinks we deserve better. We're a million miles away from any kind of direct action. "
bread & circusses the classic distraction technique have kept them quiet they are now starting to hit the floating middle earners who kept them in power let's see how a hard winter pans out .think theres a lot more graft & grift to be exposed

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed

Nah, the electorate here don't really care. They keep voting for these pricks, and shouting down anyone who thinks we deserve better. We're a million miles away from any kind of direct action. bread & circusses the classic distraction technique have kept them quiet they are now starting to hit the floating middle earners who kept them in power let's see how a hard winter pans out .think theres a lot more graft & grift to be exposed "

I mean, I'm hoping for better. Experience tells me we're unlikely to see change.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed

Nah, the electorate here don't really care. They keep voting for these pricks, and shouting down anyone who thinks we deserve better. We're a million miles away from any kind of direct action.

Direct action has been in progress since the pandemic well before way before the pandemic, the media are not reporting it."

What kind of direct action?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in history.

now in progress is the largest creation of debt which the poor and for the first time a wealth of the middle-class population, will burden.

If the population tolerate this, then theirs no hope for our generations to come, they'll just be symbols of control, hhummm the matrix and V for victory doesn't seem so fanciful now.

To quote the Manic Street Preachers ‘if we tolerate this then you children will be next ‘ song about the Spanish civil war maybe theres a clue to what's coming/needed

Nah, the electorate here don't really care. They keep voting for these pricks, and shouting down anyone who thinks we deserve better. We're a million miles away from any kind of direct action.

Direct action has been in progress since the pandemic well before way before the pandemic, the media are not reporting it.

What kind of direct action?"

the kind of action that is in the process of being banned if they get their bill through.

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By *eedsmale36Man over a year ago

Leeds

"Just remember when Hunt and Sunak bang on about the £50bn black hole in government finances, that up to £9bn of that can be attributed to the write off on substandard or undelivered PPE.

Also remember that companies coming via the VIP route were ten times more likely to secure a contract.

Also remember that many of these companies had no prior expertise or experience in the sourcing, manufacturing or supply of PPE.

Don’t forget that many of those companies were actually set up in the weeks prior to the VIP scheme being established and that many of them were registered in tax havens such as the Isle of Man.

Seems like there actually always has been plenty of money, but only when it is being paid to cronies, donors, friends and family!

This is the tip of a huge iceberg. The taxpayers of the UK have been fleeced under the smokescreen of Covid and are now having to foot the bill to put the money back.

Thieving crooked bastards!"

But on the positive side, she does have great tits and looks good in a ski suit

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"Just remember when Hunt and Sunak bang on about the £50bn black hole in government finances, that up to £9bn of that can be attributed to the write off on substandard or undelivered PPE.

Also remember that companies coming via the VIP route were ten times more likely to secure a contract.

Also remember that many of these companies had no prior expertise or experience in the sourcing, manufacturing or supply of PPE.

Don’t forget that many of those companies were actually set up in the weeks prior to the VIP scheme being established and that many of them were registered in tax havens such as the Isle of Man.

Seems like there actually always has been plenty of money, but only when it is being paid to cronies, donors, friends and family!

This is the tip of a huge iceberg. The taxpayers of the UK have been fleeced under the smokescreen of Covid and are now having to foot the bill to put the money back.

Thieving crooked bastards!

But on the positive side, she does have great tits and looks good in a ski suit

Face like a smacked arse IMO.

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By *ustintime69Man over a year ago

london

"Just remember when Hunt and Sunak bang on about the £50bn black hole in government finances, that up to £9bn of that can be attributed to the write off on substandard or undelivered PPE.

Also remember that companies coming via the VIP route were ten times more likely to secure a contract.

Also remember that many of these companies had no prior expertise or experience in the sourcing, manufacturing or supply of PPE.

Don’t forget that many of those companies were actually set up in the weeks prior to the VIP scheme being established and that many of them were registered in tax havens such as the Isle of Man.

Seems like there actually always has been plenty of money, but only when it is being paid to cronies, donors, friends and family!

This is the tip of a huge iceberg. The taxpayers of the UK have been fleeced under the smokescreen of Covid and are now having to foot the bill to put the money back.

Thieving crooked bastards!

But on the positive side, she does have great tits and looks good in a ski suit

Probably both paid for with money ripped off from us all

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By *rofessorMarcusMan over a year ago

Chorley

Unfortunately the profits were even greater. . ..

Tories only believe in one thing and that is money, nothing more nothing less. That's all you need to know

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

Yes this is the biggest transfer of cash from the tax payer to the tax takers in history, and yes the lower middle class are taking the brunt of this transfer for the first time. The poor have nothing left to take so someone needs to pay.

Because people are so far behind the curve, they won't be told by the news programmes that they will lose their homes until people start losing their home, by then labour will be in blaming the tories, the tories don't care as we will be paying them for the next couple of decades.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

Next year people will start to lose their homes just like in the 80,s my friends will be buying up properties on the cheap and rent them out to the same people who lost their homes the tories will be nowhere to be seen and labour will blame them whilst stiffing the public as the tories got away with it, so they will continue until the public take action.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way."

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end "

No they have lost 9 billion plus of tax payers money that is not a theory but truth, we are now learning how and were this money has gone, it is called corruption and people let them get away with it by making excuses for them.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Watch the interview on BBC iPlayer. The couple were on the Sunday with LK programme this morning. Mone is the victim (smirk), she lied to the media to protect her family; and she hasn't benefitted from her husband's profits cos he's put them in a trust

to be paid out when he dies.

You don't have to smell bullshit to know it's bullshit.

The only good thing is that there are two investigations going on currently - one criminal and one to claw back funds.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Note they say " lied to media " short hand for we lied to the public

Nothing much will come of it like before "not in the public interest "

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"Note they say " lied to media " short hand for we lied to the public

Nothing much will come of it like before "not in the public interest " "

Well it is in the public interest, it is just not in hers or theirs because they got caught out, but alas you are right nothing will come of this except profit.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

I want to know, did Mrs mone eat cake with others during lockdown cuz that kind of behaviour was criminal.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

you will notice I'm not disputing the fact she used her position of influence to line her pockets or she is liar. It is the narrative you added to support your own agenda that I was calling out.

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

you will notice I'm not disputing the fact she used her position of influence to line her pockets or she is liar. It is the narrative you added to support your own agenda that I was calling out."

My agenda is not to pay tax directly into some M.P pocket or baroness.

I would rather see my part of the 9 billion goto the needy or pay a few thousand utilities bills something to ease peoples burden, that is my agenda.

I do not care what yours is.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

you will notice I'm not disputing the fact she used her position of influence to line her pockets or she is liar. It is the narrative you added to support your own agenda that I was calling out.

My agenda is not to pay tax directly into some M.P pocket or baroness.

I would rather see my part of the 9 billion goto the needy or pay a few thousand utilities bills something to ease peoples burden, that is my agenda.

I do not care what yours is."

I'm still not disputing that...

It is still the parts that contain your opinion that I'm calling out

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

you will notice I'm not disputing the fact she used her position of influence to line her pockets or she is liar. It is the narrative you added to support your own agenda that I was calling out.

My agenda is not to pay tax directly into some M.P pocket or baroness.

I would rather see my part of the 9 billion goto the needy or pay a few thousand utilities bills something to ease peoples burden, that is my agenda.

I do not care what yours is.

I'm still not disputing that...

It is still the parts that contain your opinion that I'm calling out"

You see the issue is for me is that I do not care, and you must care because as you say you want to call me out, but you see I do not care.

This will be my theme on your call out, I do not care so when you or if you reply just think he doesn't care he is not bothered on my opinion he just doesn't care he is not invested in me he doesn't care.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Why do people put up with this bullshit?

Ironically , I don’t live in a democracy, but the delivery of services by government and lack of corruption in UAE shames the UK.

Plus it’s not our money they are using as there’s not tax. You guys freely pass half your earnings to those pigs

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

you will notice I'm not disputing the fact she used her position of influence to line her pockets or she is liar. It is the narrative you added to support your own agenda that I was calling out.

My agenda is not to pay tax directly into some M.P pocket or baroness.

I would rather see my part of the 9 billion goto the needy or pay a few thousand utilities bills something to ease peoples burden, that is my agenda.

I do not care what yours is.

I'm still not disputing that...

It is still the parts that contain your opinion that I'm calling out

You see the issue is for me is that I do not care, and you must care because as you say you want to call me out, but you see I do not care.

Don’t care you say

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By *KMaxMan over a year ago

Bristol

Meanwhile, People still fall for the 'It's the people in boats fault' bollocks.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"Meanwhile, People still fall for the 'It's the people in boats fault' bollocks."

Or Labour, or "Remoaners".

In fairness, we should keep voting Tory relentlessly if we want things to change.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

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By *oubleswing2019Man over a year ago

Colchester

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary.

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Stop deflecting.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts."

Hello ? Corruption ? Fraud ? Or don't we care about those trivial things anymore ? Best tell the judges to remove these from the Legislature. Not that Baroness Mone seemed to care much about them anyway (until she was caught ofc !).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why do people put up with this bullshit?

Ironically , I don’t live in a democracy, but the delivery of services by government and lack of corruption in UAE shames the UK.

Plus it’s not our money they are using as there’s not tax. You guys freely pass half your earnings to those pigs "

Its what makes Britain great. Its our history and culture. You see our monarchs are chosen by God. No other country does pomp and ceremony like we do. Go to our courts and you will see our judges with their wigs and robes, carrying on tradition centuries old.

Part of that history is the house of Lords, from the days when serfs paid their Lords and tugged their forelocks to them.

Its our history and we are proud of it. You can keep your low taxes and great government services. We will continue to keep paying our great Lords whatever it requires to keep them in the traditional lifestyle they are use to...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary.

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Stop deflecting.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

Rubbish. What am I deflecting from exactly? If you are looking at it from a partisan perspective, which you clearly are, then I am actually amplifying the point you are making. The waste isn’t limited to £29 million, it stretches to £500 billion.

I appreciate that then we have to assess why it isn’t just a Tory issue but a wider issue for all political parties who supported lockdown and the tragic group think of the administrative state. Rather than just focusing on “Tory sleaze”.

Anyone who thinks the fiscal failures of lockdown would have been different under Labour is kidding themselves. If Labour were the government we’d still be wearing masks and schools and hospitals would still be closed to appease their union paymasters.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary.

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Stop deflecting.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

100%

We need to stop wasting time thinking about what actually happened in real life when a Tory fleeced the tax payers. We have to speculate wildly about what could have happened if some other political party would have been in power at the time. Even though they weren't.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary.

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Stop deflecting.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

100%

Always a moot point when someone states it would have been worse under Labour. Speculation is a pathetic past time.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Meanwhile, People still fall for the 'It's the people in boats fault' bollocks."

Classic

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

According to the BBC the government are in the process of suing the company in question but do not mention the chances of a successful outcome

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary.

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Stop deflecting.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

100%

Always a moot point when someone states it would have been worse under Labour. Speculation is a pathetic past time."

That's socialist loony left nonsense talk.

Don't waste any time thinking about or discussing what happened in real life. We need to focus on speculation regarding what might have happened in a fictional parallel universe. What would have happened to the lockdown policies if an alien invasion occurred mid May in 2020?

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

The “i” has interesting take on this...

“But beyond all the uncertainties about VIP lanes, value for money, offshore trusts, declarations of interest, and why the Cabinet Office apparently told Mone she didn’t have to declare any interest in PPE Medpro, the Mones face one question that no inquiry can answer. It’s a question they do not seem to have asked themselves. So only the press can do it...

“Is it a moral thing to do to milk the health service for £60m during a pandemic?” And if the answer is no, we need to ask another urgent question. What kind of country allows Michelle Mone to take an indefinite leave of absence from its parliament so that she can “clear her name”?”

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

And...

The risk to public money was certainly considerable. The Department of Health have claimed the gowns were not sterile, improperly labelled and unusable. Still, the profit, says Barrowman, was around 30 per cent, leaving him with a scant £60m.

The following year Barrowman bought a yacht and a private jet. Mone posted a picture of herself on it. Still, she had not benefited from it: “It’s not my yacht.” She went further. “It’s not my money. That cash is my husband’s cash.”

Should (“God forbid”) Barrowman die before her, she would get the £29m held in trust for her and her children. But like Schrödinger’s cat, this money both exists and doesn’t exist. The baroness has not financially benefited from the PPE deal, she insists. She regrets having instructed her lawyers to threaten journalists with legal action if they said she had anything to do with it: “I was protecting my family.”

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I think many may have missed a golden nugget, she claimed other Lords and baroness's were also doing the same thing.

Surely worthy of some stinging comments and even a call for, anarchy in the UK?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

The Good Law project has some interesting facts about the level of profiteering in a Global/ National health emergency..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think many may have missed a golden nugget, she claimed other Lords and baroness's were also doing the same thing.

Surely worthy of some stinging comments and even a call for, anarchy in the UK?"
I suspect it less missed, more assumed to be the case already.

The whole scheme looked smelly.

However this one went a step futher and supplied dodgy PPE.

If memory serves people were defending it, or downpaying the profiteering nature. But hey, that's what you do when you are in a privileged position of making money. You do it, and deny it, and try and slap people down who dare say that you are doing this.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

"Cant blame folk for moving to NZ.

But you can blame them for continuously voting for these pricks."

But people voted for those pricks, to get brexit done. They never voted on their integrity, their policies, etc.

The last man to enter the houses of parliment with honest intentions, was Guy Fawkes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Good Law project has some interesting facts about the level of profiteering in a Global/ National health emergency.."

Has the “Good Law Project” and man of the people “Jolyon” won a case yet?

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"I think many may have missed a golden nugget, she claimed other Lords and baroness's were also doing the same thing.

Surely worthy of some stinging comments and even a call for, anarchy in the UK?"

I seem to recall that it was only Tory peers and MPs that had success through the VIP channel. That suppliers coming via that VIP route had a 1 in 10 chance of contract award vs a 1 in 100 chance via the normal procurement route. So yes most certainly worthy of criticism. If at a time of national emergency these “referrals” had been purely altruistic, then they may have deserved praise, but this was blatant profiteering and I would say at very least morally indefensible.

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts."

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?

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By *havennaturistsCouple over a year ago

Banff

Members of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church were heavily involved in the PPE procurement scam.

Journo Damian Hastie has joined all the dots on his www.openandcandid.com website.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?"

Do people care? I suspect most people simply accept that government services are rife with waste and corruption and that the situation is going to get worse in the future. In my view we are living through the slow collapse of the administrative state.

Are you expecting a Labour government to take stern and swift action on benefit fraud or the wasted cost of housing illegal immigrants? I’m doubtful. As a Birmingham resident it’s pretty clear where living in a Labour one party state ends up.

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?

No idea! I’d hope any Govt would take it seriously regardless of their tie colour. I care because I pay an enormous amount of tax and I would like to think that isn’t being wasted on fraudsters of any kind be that benefits or corrupt profiteering from the public purse.

“Sharon” deliberately claiming benefits she isn’t entitled to should be punished.

“Baroness Mone” deliberately profiteering from the public purse during a time of national emergency should be punished.

Perhaps the punishments should be proportional too?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?

“Sharon” deliberately claiming benefits she isn’t entitled to should be punished.

“Baroness Mone” deliberately profiteering from the public purse during a time of national emergency should be punished.

Perhaps the punishments should be proportional too?"

What about Labour though?

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?

“Sharon” deliberately claiming benefits she isn’t entitled to should be punished.

“Baroness Mone” deliberately profiteering from the public purse during a time of national emergency should be punished.

Perhaps the punishments should be proportional too?

What about Labour though?

I know, I know, things are really shit under the Tories but it will be even more shit under Labour, for sure, definitely, without doubt, because...err well just because! So accept the shit and think yourself lucky as it could (possibly as we don’t actually know) be worse!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?

“Sharon” deliberately claiming benefits she isn’t entitled to should be punished.

“Baroness Mone” deliberately profiteering from the public purse during a time of national emergency should be punished.

Perhaps the punishments should be proportional too?

What about Labour though?

Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan over a year ago

Gilfach

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life."

You mean, like everyone in this thread is speculating about what Baroness Mone did and didn't do, using random bits of information gathered from unidentified sources and then massaged into press copy, without bothering to wait for the results of the investigation?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life.

Yes that's not good enough. You need to join us in considering the only important point to come out of this debacle: "what about Labour?"

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life.

Wasn't your Baroness speculating when she said she didn't do what she is now saying she did ???

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life.

Here’s what we know:

1. Mone lobbied those running the VIP lane.

2. The company she was lobbying for was incorporated AFTER she started making representations for them.

3. She did not declare that her husband was the actual owner of the company.

4. She did not declare that she and her kids would benefit from a share in the profits that her husband was paying into an offshore trust that they were the sole beneficiaries of.

5. The company had a profit margin of c.30% which is obscene, particularly in light that it was profiting from a national emergency.

6. The company is registered offshore and therefore not liable for UK taxes so all this taxpayer money flowed out of the UK.

Now she can say she was badly advised yadda yadda but even a layperson can see this was foul play.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life.

Here’s what we know:

1. Mone lobbied those running the VIP lane.

2. The company she was lobbying for was incorporated AFTER she started making representations for them.

3. She did not declare that her husband was the actual owner of the company.

4. She did not declare that she and her kids would benefit from a share in the profits that her husband was paying into an offshore trust that they were the sole beneficiaries of.

5. The company had a profit margin of c.30% which is obscene, particularly in light that it was profiting from a national emergency.

6. The company is registered offshore and therefore not liable for UK taxes so all this taxpayer money flowed out of the UK.

Now she can say she was badly advised yadda yadda but even a layperson can see this was foul play."

I've a bad feeling though she and the others will get away with it. There was some talk about her being kicked out the house of lords but needs to be criminal investigation at the very least

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan over a year ago

Gilfach

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life."

"You mean, like everyone in this thread is speculating about what Baroness Mone did and didn't do, using random bits of information gathered from unidentified sources and then massaged into press copy, without bothering to wait for the results of the investigation?"

"Wasn't your Baroness ..."

She's not my baroness. Just because I'm not busy condemning her doesn't mean I support her.

"Wasn't your Baroness speculating when she said she didn't do what she is now saying she did ???"

As far as I can see, she hasn't admitted that she's done anything involved with the fraud. It seems to be her husband that did everything. She has lied about how much she knew, but that's doing something to avoid going to jail, not contributing to the fraud.

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By *irldn OP Couple over a year ago

Brighton

"Exactly right. We should spend our time speculating like this instead of considering what has actually happened in real life.

Here’s what we know:

1. Mone lobbied those running the VIP lane.

2. The company she was lobbying for was incorporated AFTER she started making representations for them.

3. She did not declare that her husband was the actual owner of the company.

4. She did not declare that she and her kids would benefit from a share in the profits that her husband was paying into an offshore trust that they were the sole beneficiaries of.

5. The company had a profit margin of c.30% which is obscene, particularly in light that it was profiting from a national emergency.

6. The company is registered offshore and therefore not liable for UK taxes so all this taxpayer money flowed out of the UK.

Now she can say she was badly advised yadda yadda but even a layperson can see this was foul play.

I've a bad feeling though she and the others will get away with it. There was some talk about her being kicked out the house of lords but needs to be criminal investigation at the very least"

Thing is I am not sure where the criminality comes in. Completely morally reprehensible and not in keeping with a peer of the realm, certainly, but has she broken any laws?

Regardless of whether it makes me (or others) feel sick, the Govt of the day facilitated an approach that allowed people in privileged positions (as long as they wore blue) to circumvent usual Civil Service procurement due diligence. The Govt of the day enabled tax avoiding off shored companies and individuals to secure extremely lucrative govt contracts (our money) regardless of whether they were a suitable business with relevant track record and specialist experience. What’s more these companies secured contracts over and above legitimate experienced UK (tax paying) businesses who lacked the right contacts to enter the VIP lane. The Govt permitted these inexperienced bogus offshore companies with no trading history to have huge profit margins.

There can only be one conclusion. Enrichment of friends, family, donors, and self from the public purse.

Was this illegal? I suspect not. Should it be? You betcha!

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"This is what really pees me off is the fact that people take so long to catch up, and again use newspeak to explain their grievances.

Every government rips off the public in some way, what this tells me is that this government didn't have any boundaries.

The only reason they achieved this is people were locked behind there doors afraid, and agreed to anything the government suggested, even stuck up for the government as they fleeced the public.

I have said before if you tolerate this then your children will be next.

Stop voting it is the only way.

Conspiracies wrapped up in a thread of truth always seem far more believable.

She lied, she is greedy and she is not unique.

The government were caught out being useless. the end

The government spent £500 billion on lockdowns that were totally unnecessary. Not sure why people are getting so worked up about £9 billion of it. It’s peanuts.

On that basis it makes you wonder why so many people lose their shit over Benefit Fraud? I mean that is only about £1.6bn a year so who cares right?

“Sharon” deliberately claiming benefits she isn’t entitled to should be punished.

“Baroness Mone” deliberately profiteering from the public purse during a time of national emergency should be punished.

Perhaps the punishments should be proportional too?"

An hour of community service for every £100 gained through deception/fraudulent activity.

Has Michelle or Mr Michelle got enough hours left in their life?