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The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
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Why has migration increased ? And why are there over 1 million job vacancies |
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over a year ago
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
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It hasn’t proved anything of the sort, |
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Interesting conversation on a pod cast this morning suggesting that one of the possible reasons migrants head for England (apart from the obvious ones like language and post colonial affinity) is that the French have ID cards making it more difficult for migrants to disappear. Not totally convinced by this as I doubt it would do anything to prevent sex trafficking and even if people were caught without ID what would happen to them? Instant deportation? |
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort, "
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk. |
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk."
That is your opinion, it isn’t a fact  |
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My observations:
It's driven by non EU. So doesn't support the idea that leaving brexit has had no effect on EU immigration
While work visas have doubled since 2020, the big increases are study and other.
We have no data on who the work visas are going to. It's meant to be skilled workers. If it's low skilled, than that suggests a big gap and so it's not clear if the gap has been filled.
TL;Dr not enough detail in the data to draw any conclusions |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk."
How do you get to that conclusion?
Do the figures you are quoting break down where people are from? |
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over a year ago
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The difference is we have a different type of migration.
We have more people from countries not in the Eu and most of them are high skilled workers. What we are lacking is workers who will work in low paid low skill jobs. |
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs."
Not really, no.
Most of that migration would have been on working visas. These would be 'skillled' migrants with job offers, and therefore wouldn't increase the pool of unskilled workers.
If those figures include people arriving by non-legal means, they aren't allowed to work, so they also don't increase the unskilled work force. |
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
Not really, no.
Most of that migration would have been on working visas. These would be 'skillled' migrants with job offers, and therefore wouldn't increase the pool of unskilled workers.
If those figures include people arriving by non-legal means, they aren't allowed to work, so they also don't increase the unskilled work force."
It's nothing to do with arriving by non legal means. Anybody arriving completely legally who wants to claim asylum cannot work. |
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"It's nothing to do with arriving by non legal means. Anybody arriving completely legally who wants to claim asylum cannot work. "
True, but I wanted to include those that arrive by unapproved methods, and do not apply for asylum. Those people are probably in the figures, and they also can't work.
Of course, people that successfully claim asylum are able to work, and probably do increase the unskilled labour pool. |
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"It's nothing to do with arriving by non legal means. Anybody arriving completely legally who wants to claim asylum cannot work.
True, but I wanted to include those that arrive by unapproved methods, and do not apply for asylum. Those people are probably in the figures, and they also can't work.
Of course, people that successfully claim asylum are able to work, and probably do increase the unskilled labour pool."
How do we know how many people are arriving by unapproved means and don’t apply for asylum ? |
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"It's nothing to do with arriving by non legal means. Anybody arriving completely legally who wants to claim asylum cannot work.
True, but I wanted to include those that arrive by unapproved methods, and do not apply for asylum. Those people are probably in the figures, and they also can't work.
Of course, people that successfully claim asylum are able to work, and probably do increase the unskilled labour pool."
Yes I agree. The whole process needs to be a lot quicker. |
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Listen to radio 4 news now and you might begin to have a bit of a more well informed opinion
Ukraine, Afghan, Students all increasing but EU migrants declining.
Seems pretty obvious but it’s too easy to blame the small boat people |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk."
Others have addressed this but higher levels of immigration doesn’t necessarily equate to higher levels of low skilled workers. In fact it could (and arguably should) be the exact opposite as a points based system approach encourages immigration based on workforce needs.
Not really clear on your point re migration from/to EU countries either? The Independent says this...
“Net migration to the UK has reached a record high, with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving into the UK than departing in the past year, new ONS estimates show.
It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.”
Can you clarify the point you are making. Thanks |
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"My observations:
It's driven by non EU. So doesn't support the idea that leaving brexit has had no effect on EU immigration
While work visas have doubled since 2020, the big increases are study and other.
We have no data on who the work visas are going to. It's meant to be skilled workers. If it's low skilled, than that suggests a big gap and so it's not clear if the gap has been filled.
TL;Dr not enough detail in the data to draw any conclusions "
It is driven by non eu yes. As it has been for many years.
Study visas aren't work visas.
Regarding skilled visas vs unskilled fom. So what you are alluding to then is all e.u workers of net migration stats previously were all low skilled. But many are now well skilled?
We heard originally that 1m e.u citizens fled the uk. And this led to a worker shortage. Infact this never occurred. And that 2021 lack of immigration led to rises in food unpicked pigs not slaughtered etc.
But the basic data does categorically bot support that thesis.
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk.
How do you get to that conclusion?
Do the figures you are quoting break down where people are from?"
Yup in term of e.u non EU nrefugees |
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
Not really, no.
Most of that migration would have been on working visas. These would be 'skillled' migrants with job offers, and therefore wouldn't increase the pool of unskilled workers.
If those figures include people arriving by non-legal means, they aren't allowed to work, so they also don't increase the unskilled work force."
So then each year you think the 200k migrants "net" that entered the uk were all unskilled. And then suddenly ll the 200k migrants from e.u became skilled and although the uk has been free to move to for 2 decades. Decided to suddenly come to the uk on a visa from june21-june 22?
That's definitely an out there theory. I'll give you that.
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk.
Others have addressed this but higher levels of immigration doesn’t necessarily equate to higher levels of low skilled workers. In fact it could (and arguably should) be the exact opposite as a points based system approach encourages immigration based on workforce needs.
Not really clear on your point re migration from/to EU countries either? The Independent says this...
“Net migration to the UK has reached a record high, with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving into the UK than departing in the past year, new ONS estimates show.
It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.”
Can you clarify the point you are making. Thanks"
They haven't.
There logic has taken them to the point that.vall unskilled migrants didn't come to the uk during fom. But suddenly once the costs of a Visa arrived they decided to come to the uk
Now if that's true it completely undoes another remain argument. The for does NOT suppressed wages.
If the skilled have suddenly decided to unstick and move the uk at the cost of a working visa which was never necessary before and await an pllicstion process.
There must be a financial incentive for it. Because the process became much harder for them to move here. Yet this year their net immigration outstripped almost all previous years.
Apparently though the uk is bigoted and racist and they wouldn't come here after brexit.
All these points I am afraid have been shown to be project fear. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk.
Others have addressed this but higher levels of immigration doesn’t necessarily equate to higher levels of low skilled workers. In fact it could (and arguably should) be the exact opposite as a points based system approach encourages immigration based on workforce needs.
Not really clear on your point re migration from/to EU countries either? The Independent says this...
“Net migration to the UK has reached a record high, with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving into the UK than departing in the past year, new ONS estimates show.
It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.”
Can you clarify the point you are making. Thanks
They haven't.
There logic has taken them to the point that.vall unskilled migrants didn't come to the uk during fom. But suddenly once the costs of a Visa arrived they decided to come to the uk
Now if that's true it completely undoes another remain argument. The for does NOT suppressed wages.
If the skilled have suddenly decided to unstick and move the uk at the cost of a working visa which was never necessary before and await an pllicstion process.
There must be a financial incentive for it. Because the process became much harder for them to move here. Yet this year their net immigration outstripped almost all previous years.
Apparently though the uk is bigoted and racist and they wouldn't come here after brexit.
All these points I am afraid have been shown to be project fear."
How does your 200k net migration from EU figure tally with what The Independent said...
“It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.” |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk.
Others have addressed this but higher levels of immigration doesn’t necessarily equate to higher levels of low skilled workers. In fact it could (and arguably should) be the exact opposite as a points based system approach encourages immigration based on workforce needs.
Not really clear on your point re migration from/to EU countries either? The Independent says this...
“Net migration to the UK has reached a record high, with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving into the UK than departing in the past year, new ONS estimates show.
It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.”
Can you clarify the point you are making. Thanks
They haven't.
There logic has taken them to the point that.vall unskilled migrants didn't come to the uk during fom. But suddenly once the costs of a Visa arrived they decided to come to the uk
Now if that's true it completely undoes another remain argument. The for does NOT suppressed wages.
If the skilled have suddenly decided to unstick and move the uk at the cost of a working visa which was never necessary before and await an pllicstion process.
There must be a financial incentive for it. Because the process became much harder for them to move here. Yet this year their net immigration outstripped almost all previous years.
Apparently though the uk is bigoted and racist and they wouldn't come here after brexit.
All these points I am afraid have been shown to be project fear."
The population of the UK in my opinion are bigoted.
Areas of the country are not happy, even hateful towards other areas of the country.
We have the left and minority groups being outraged and outspoken on all things they feel are the fault of privilege or lack of. The right are outspoken and outraged at everything the left and the minority groups are up in harms about, plus anything that doesn’t resemble a Sunday roast. Finally you have those in the middle that are fed up with everyone else. All bigoted, all equal in their scorn and hatred towards anyone who is different to them.
Welcome to the UK |
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"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk.
Others have addressed this but higher levels of immigration doesn’t necessarily equate to higher levels of low skilled workers. In fact it could (and arguably should) be the exact opposite as a points based system approach encourages immigration based on workforce needs.
Not really clear on your point re migration from/to EU countries either? The Independent says this...
“Net migration to the UK has reached a record high, with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving into the UK than departing in the past year, new ONS estimates show.
It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.”
Can you clarify the point you are making. Thanks
They haven't.
There logic has taken them to the point that.vall unskilled migrants didn't come to the uk during fom. But suddenly once the costs of a Visa arrived they decided to come to the uk
Now if that's true it completely undoes another remain argument. The for does NOT suppressed wages.
If the skilled have suddenly decided to unstick and move the uk at the cost of a working visa which was never necessary before and await an pllicstion process.
There must be a financial incentive for it. Because the process became much harder for them to move here. Yet this year their net immigration outstripped almost all previous years.
Apparently though the uk is bigoted and racist and they wouldn't come here after brexit.
All these points I am afraid have been shown to be project fear.
The population of the UK in my opinion are bigoted.
Areas of the country are not happy, even hateful towards other areas of the country.
We have the left and minority groups being outraged and outspoken on all things they feel are the fault of privilege or lack of. The right are outspoken and outraged at everything the left and the minority groups are up in harms about, plus anything that doesn’t resemble a Sunday roast. Finally you have those in the middle that are fed up with everyone else. All bigoted, all equal in their scorn and hatred towards anyone who is different to them.
Welcome to the UK"
Brexit widened and deepened all these existing divides. Which in fairness, was one of the aims. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"You can draw your own conclusions. But it's puts any idea to the sword. There were lss migrants to the uk which was the source of blame for a lot of drama last year.
It hasn’t proved anything of the sort,
Sort of has though given the claims pf 1m e.u citizens fleeing the country.
Originally it was estimated 3.5m err here. Yet 6m applied for citizenship.
Then over 200k net immigration this year.
Significantly more than most e.u years.
Really undoes the idea that e u citizens were fleeing the uk.
Others have addressed this but higher levels of immigration doesn’t necessarily equate to higher levels of low skilled workers. In fact it could (and arguably should) be the exact opposite as a points based system approach encourages immigration based on workforce needs.
Not really clear on your point re migration from/to EU countries either? The Independent says this...
“Net migration to the UK has reached a record high, with an estimated 504,000 more people arriving into the UK than departing in the past year, new ONS estimates show.
It is also the first time since 1991 that more EU nationals have left the UK than arrived. Net migration of EU nationals is minus 51,000 for the year up to June 2022, new estimates show.”
Can you clarify the point you are making. Thanks
They haven't.
There logic has taken them to the point that.vall unskilled migrants didn't come to the uk during fom. But suddenly once the costs of a Visa arrived they decided to come to the uk
Now if that's true it completely undoes another remain argument. The for does NOT suppressed wages.
If the skilled have suddenly decided to unstick and move the uk at the cost of a working visa which was never necessary before and await an pllicstion process.
There must be a financial incentive for it. Because the process became much harder for them to move here. Yet this year their net immigration outstripped almost all previous years.
Apparently though the uk is bigoted and racist and they wouldn't come here after brexit.
All these points I am afraid have been shown to be project fear.
The population of the UK in my opinion are bigoted.
Areas of the country are not happy, even hateful towards other areas of the country.
We have the left and minority groups being outraged and outspoken on all things they feel are the fault of privilege or lack of. The right are outspoken and outraged at everything the left and the minority groups are up in harms about, plus anything that doesn’t resemble a Sunday roast. Finally you have those in the middle that are fed up with everyone else. All bigoted, all equal in their scorn and hatred towards anyone who is different to them.
Welcome to the UK
Brexit widened and deepened all these existing divides. Which in fairness, was one of the aims."
I agree, brexit was and is a disaster for this countries social well being |
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"My observations:
It's driven by non EU. So doesn't support the idea that leaving brexit has had no effect on EU immigration
While work visas have doubled since 2020, the big increases are study and other.
We have no data on who the work visas are going to. It's meant to be skilled workers. If it's low skilled, than that suggests a big gap and so it's not clear if the gap has been filled.
TL;Dr not enough detail in the data to draw any conclusions
It is driven by non eu yes. As it has been for many years.
Study visas aren't work visas.
Regarding skilled visas vs unskilled fom. So what you are alluding to then is all e.u workers of net migration stats previously were all low skilled. But many are now well skilled?
We heard originally that 1m e.u citizens fled the uk. And this led to a worker shortage. Infact this never occurred. And that 2021 lack of immigration led to rises in food unpicked pigs not slaughtered etc.
But the basic data does categorically bot support that thesis.
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some points of clarity.
The half a million extra is entirely from increases in non EU. EU migration is negative 51k. 49k extra Brits left too.
Study visas and other are part of these numbers. Of the 700k of visas only 151k are work. Up from 81k 2020. Study is up from c136k to 277k. Other up from 92k to 276k
And I make no claim about EU skill type. There is no data on the type of work visa nor what the EU people were doing. I'm not arguing a position other than there isn't the data to argue a position. I can't see how you've reached any of your conclusions. Lots of versions of reality could lead to these numbers. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
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Too simplistic…. Look at some of the factors behind the numbers
170,000 people have come in from Ukraine….. 30,000 have come in from Hong Kong…
They are included in the figures, there are obvious factors there…..
540,000 came in on student visas… they are included in the figures but not intended to stay, remember this is the first year these people have been counted in a while after covid!
45k left the uk permanently as in uk nationals…. 35k came in on illegal crossings across the channel…. |
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This last year has not been a usual year. We have had around 134,000 Ukrainian refugees, 103,000 from Hong Kong and around 20,000 from Afghanistan. That is on top of the normal figures we would expect. |
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"This last year has not been a usual year. We have had around 134,000 Ukrainian refugees, 103,000 from Hong Kong and around 20,000 from Afghanistan. That is on top of the normal figures we would expect. "
Though actually if there is a 100,000 more than normal migration on the whole it is down and would be if it wasn't for these 3 exceptions. |
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs."
"Not really, no.
Most of that migration would have been on working visas. These would be 'skillled' migrants with job offers, and therefore wouldn't increase the pool of unskilled workers.
If those figures include people arriving by non-legal means, they aren't allowed to work, so they also don't increase the unskilled work force."
"So then each year you think the 200k migrants "net" that entered the uk were all unskilled. And then suddenly ll the 200k migrants from e.u became skilled ..."
Well, no. I'm not sure you understand the situation.
I think that before Brexit the 200k EU migrants were mostly skilled, and now after Brexit, the situation is exactly the same (except that the skilled migrants now need a visa).
The unskilled folks that we used to use on our farms were seasonal workers that came over when they were needed, and then left again when the job was done. Because they didn't settle here, they weren't classed as migrants, and so weren't included in the migration figures.
Since Brexit, those migrant workers have needed visas, and a good chunk of them have decided that it's too expensive, or too much hassle.
So, to get back to your original point, no, the latest migration figures do not put to bed any idea that leaving the EU meant that we had less of an immigrant workforce to work on farms.
Here's a tip: the page where you compose messages has a "Preview Message" button, that allows you to check what you've written and correct any mistakes. Using this would help more people to understand what you are trying to say. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England. |
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England."
Were those areas mainly leave voters by any chance?
I have a couple of Chinese clients who tell me that the majority of people leaving Hong Kong for UK are of retirement age so it’s perfectly feasible that the Tories will have 30,000 more pensioners voting for them - perhaps Johnny Two Notes is right about the next election? Funny that the right wing press doesn’t mention them either
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England."
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then."
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby? "
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away."
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away.
2 hour , 80 mile commute "
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away.
2 hour , 80 mile commute
Yes apparently Nottingham isn’t far either ffs!"
35 miles, about an hour each way. Not far. |
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away.
2 hour , 80 mile commute
Yes apparently Nottingham isn’t far either ffs!
35 miles, about an hour each way. Not far."
70 miles a day, 350 miles a week , 16,000 miles a year (including holidays) about 450 hours a year travelling , |
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away.
2 hour , 80 mile commute
Yes apparently Nottingham isn’t far either ffs!
35 miles, about an hour each way. Not far.
70 miles a day, 350 miles a week , 16,000 miles a year (including holidays) about 450 hours a year travelling ,"
Still fail to see the issue. I have done that (and more) in the past, when necessary. I commuted by car 40 miles each way every day for about 8 years.
If several people from the fish factory get jobs in the meat factory they can car share to reduce costs. |
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"When the OP comes back, in addition to the various challenges so far in this thread, I would be curious for his views on this example from today...
(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away.
2 hour , 80 mile commute
Yes apparently Nottingham isn’t far either ffs!
35 miles, about an hour each way. Not far.
70 miles a day, 350 miles a week , 16,000 miles a year (including holidays) about 450 hours a year travelling ,
Still fail to see the issue. I have done that (and more) in the past, when necessary. I commuted by car 40 miles each way every day for about 8 years.
If several people from the fish factory get jobs in the meat factory they can car share to reduce costs."
Should we expect people to do sometime just because someone else has? |
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(Bloomberg) Cranswick Plc, which supplies supermarkets with pork and poultry, is paying for 400 butchers to travel from the Philippine islands to work in Britain after staff from continental Europe flocked home following Brexit.
“It’s absolutely necessary if we want food on the plates,” said Cranswick’s Chief Executive Officer, Adam Couch. “Obviously it’s very expensive to bring them over, but it’s far better to bring them over than to curtail production as we did this time last year.”
Couch said that paying for each butcher from the Philippines cost between £10,000 and £12,000 -- equivalent to more than £4 million. Each butcher needs a visa, a flight to the UK, an English test and accommodation. Cranswick has an apprenticeship program to train up new butchers, but Couch said that there was just “not enough people”.
Until Britain voted to leave the European Union, 65% of Cranswick’s workers in the UK came from central Europe. That number has since plunged. Last year, the staff shortage was so severe that Cranswick had 25% fewer staff than required at its processing plants in areas such as Hull, northern England, and Norfolk, eastern England.
Plenty of jobs for those affected by the Grimsby fish processing plant then.
In Grimsby?
Hull is not far away.
2 hour , 80 mile commute
Yes apparently Nottingham isn’t far either ffs!
35 miles, about an hour each way. Not far.
70 miles a day, 350 miles a week , 16,000 miles a year (including holidays) about 450 hours a year travelling ,
Still fail to see the issue. I have done that (and more) in the past, when necessary. I commuted by car 40 miles each way every day for about 8 years.
If several people from the fish factory get jobs in the meat factory they can car share to reduce costs.
Should we expect people to do sometime just because someone else has? "
Not a good quote on this post should it not be
Should we expect people to work for less then we are prepared to work for the gratification of others.
In a nut shell sl ery is it not. |
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
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This year has seen an increase but it's not always as clear cut as it seems. A big chunk is obviously the 170,000 people from Ukraine which I would say is not a typical thing to normally happen. An even bigger chunk is the 277,000 students that choose the UK to do their studies. Although this does happen normally, the numbers are likely higher due to the dropping of travel restrictions. In both cases, although these people may work when here they are likely to return home when the war ends and for the students, when they compete their education. |
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"Why has migration increased ? And why are there over 1 million job vacancies "
Honestly, would love to know where these 1 million jobs all are...It's never even ben clear who came up with that figure and how they even calculated it. |
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"Why has migration increased ? And why are there over 1 million job vacancies
Honestly, would love to know where these 1 million jobs all are...It's never even ben clear who came up with that figure and how they even calculated it."
ONS. Via sending questionnaires to companies.  |
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By *asyukMan
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
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You didn't understand the figures, did you?
You have been provided with a lot more information on in the thread.
In brief, all of the immigration in these figures is through regulated routes, so we are choosing to accept them.
The comprise mainly of students and those with specific "high" skills.
There is a shortage of immigrants to carry out "low" skilled jobs to the extent that they are being flown in from Nepal and Indonesia and significantly higher cost. |
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
You didn't understand the figures, did you?
You have been provided with a lot more information on in the thread.
In brief, all of the immigration in these figures is through regulated routes, so we are choosing to accept them.
The comprise mainly of students and those with specific "high" skills.
There is a shortage of immigrants to carry out "low" skilled jobs to the extent that they are being flown in from Nepal and Indonesia and significantly higher cost."
you are choosing to accept them |
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By *asyukMan
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"The uk had an estimated net migration of over half a million people last year.
Well over 100k more than we have ever had.
Can we now please put to bed any idea that leaving the e.u meant we had less of an immigrant workforce last year to work on farms etc and "low skilled" jobs.
You didn't understand the figures, did you?
You have been provided with a lot more information on in the thread.
In brief, all of the immigration in these figures is through regulated routes, so we are choosing to accept them.
The comprise mainly of students and those with specific "high" skills.
There is a shortage of immigrants to carry out "low" skilled jobs to the extent that they are being flown in from Nepal and Indonesia and significantly higher cost.you are choosing to accept them"
"You are choosing to accept them"
What does that mean? You don't want to accept students and skilled workers and their families to the UK?
It is current government policy.
Are you saying that we don't want skilled people to do the highly skilled jobs that we have no people to do? Perhaps that we should magic up people with highly technical three or four or six year degrees and several years of working experience?
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"I'm not saying anything of the kind,
Don't put words in my mouth,
You accept the figues if you want,I dontwhich bits don't you accept and why ?"
do you accept the figures what the government give you ? |
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"I'm not saying anything of the kind,
Don't put words in my mouth,
You accept the figues if you want,I dontwhich bits don't you accept and why ? do you accept the figures what the government give you ?"
while I understand scepticism, it's as good a set of data as I can get.
Otherwise you simply dismiss anything that doesn't fit into ones views, rather than adjust views.
What numbers do you think are wrong, in which direction, and why ? |
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"I'm not saying anything of the kind,
Don't put words in my mouth,
You accept the figues if you want,I dontwhich bits don't you accept and why ? do you accept the figures what the government give you ?while I understand scepticism, it's as good a set of data as I can get.
Otherwise you simply dismiss anything that doesn't fit into ones views, rather than adjust views.
What numbers do you think are wrong, in which direction, and why ?"
I don't trust any government,to give us the facts and figures.take iraq and the wmd,cost lots of deaths |
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"I'm not saying anything of the kind,
Don't put words in my mouth,
You accept the figues if you want,I dontwhich bits don't you accept and why ? do you accept the figures what the government give you ?while I understand scepticism, it's as good a set of data as I can get.
Otherwise you simply dismiss anything that doesn't fit into ones views, rather than adjust views.
What numbers do you think are wrong, in which direction, and why ?I don't trust any government,to give us the facts and figures.take iraq and the wmd,cost lots of deaths"
I understand that. ONS feels a bit different to HMG spinning numbers. But that's a view rather than anything I could back up !! |
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"Exactly, no-one can back it up,
Take covid for example,no real way of knowing what the real cost of life was.
Maybe more ,maybe less ?
Who knows ?"
but you can use different sources of data to create a good guess. As they say, no model is correct, but some are more useful than others. I'd say the same of data. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Exactly, no-one can back it up,
Take covid for example,no real way of knowing what the real cost of life was.
Maybe more ,maybe less ?
Who knows ?"
So you just don't believe anything?
What are you arguing about then?
Is there a lot of immigration or a little?
Is it a problem or is not?
I didn't put any words in your mouth, you just said something that did not make any sense and then did not explain it. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I am not going to answer your question as I'm not getting drawn into a argument,what is what you want,
Go and comment on another section ,"
You started by commenting on what I wrote, but still haven't explained it.
Now you don't want to discuss the fundamental point that you are making about not believing any information from anyone.
Do you really not expect to be asked what you mean? Just for everyone to accept what you say and not ask any questions?
I still don't know what you mean... |
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"Then piss off,I not discussing with you
Why did you join the conversation if you're just going to get angry and swear at people when they reply to you. I
What are you,his minder lol"
This is a forum, it's designed for people to post thoughts, opinions etc, reply and discuss. |
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TBF I thoughr she had explained the comment (as I understand it she meant accepting the data rather than visas).
The WMD has caused a distrust in government data.
Now, maybe there is some data she does trust more. We probably should spend more time clarifying her position if we truely wanted to engage. Which isn't just throwing a load of questions at her. Or statements about her presumed position.
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"I don't need any questions answered"
What about if someone wants to ask you a question, maybe they should start there instead of jumping straight to suing you.
Anyway. We can get back to the topic rather than a discussion about how forums work. |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing. "
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? |
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"Teaching lessons,
What the fuck are you on about ?
I'm taking the piss out of you,"
You said "Here begineth the lesson oh wise one". Just a few posts up.
If you want to take the piss, it would be better if it made sense. Have another go. A bit of a pisstake can be fun banter on here. |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? "
hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum. |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum."
Yeah this forum is ridiculous. But it's pretty funny sometimes.
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"But according to you,I'm using the forums wrong,
I seem to be getting plenty of responses"
I didn't say you were using the forums wrong.
You seemed angry that people replied to you. I was merely pointing out that this is what forums are for, posting and replying. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"TBF I thoughr she had explained the comment (as I understand it she meant accepting the data rather than visas).
The WMD has caused a distrust in government data.
Now, maybe there is some data she does trust more. We probably should spend more time clarifying her position if we truely wanted to engage. Which isn't just throwing a load of questions at her. Or statements about her presumed position.
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How would you go about finding that out without asking any questions?
I didn't presume a position. I picked one possible option to respond to a hostile and cryptic comment. The reply could have been anything. Instead, it was nothing... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum."
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently?"
Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor. |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor."
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally "
Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science. |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science."
I am dyslexic and dyspraxic but I have spent years teaching myself how to get my thoughts down on screen (Siri helps) so come on Blu try and give us a little more depth instead of just maga bombing the forum |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science."
It was a spelling error not a grammatical error. Just saying |
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over a year ago
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science.
I am dyslexic and dyspraxic but I have spent years teaching myself how to get my thoughts down on screen (Siri helps) so come on Blu try and give us a little more depth instead of just maga bombing the forum "
Umm your little green arrow shows you maga bomb more then me. Any other insults you want to throw out there? |
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over a year ago
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science.
I am dyslexic and dyspraxic but I have spent years teaching myself how to get my thoughts down on screen (Siri helps) so come on Blu try and give us a little more depth instead of just maga bombing the forum "
Guess I should go to work and call out the doctors for their spelling mistakes on prescriptions. ( Understanding context helps ). |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science.
I am dyslexic and dyspraxic but I have spent years teaching myself how to get my thoughts down on screen (Siri helps) so come on Blu try and give us a little more depth instead of just maga bombing the forum Guess I should go to work and call out the doctors for their spelling mistakes on prescriptions. ( Understanding context helps ). "
To be fair though Blu, you do often spell TRUMP incorrectly. It is spelt...
W A N K E R
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"It's not question time,your on the wrong channel
WTF? Why you here? It’s the politics forum! That’s what we do here! Get yourself back to the lounge if you don’t want to play  "
I'm playing,just not your idea of playing |
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"It's not question time,your on the wrong channel
This is really strange behaviour. Posting on a web forum about being angry about web forums. I'm not angry,what gives you that idea ?"
Swearing lots and insulting people.
For the record, I think it's fine to use the forum any way you want. It's pretty funny. |
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"It's not question time,your on the wrong channel
This is really strange behaviour. Posting on a web forum about being angry about web forums. I'm not angry,what gives you that idea ?
Swearing lots and insulting people.
For the record, I think it's fine to use the forum any way you want. It's pretty funny. "
I do use the forums anyway I want,I don't need people to tell me,how I should use the forums |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
That’s just odd, it’s a forum not the US mid terms….and if you want to use references to Adolf then the correct spelling is fuhrer although I don’t see why you need to personally Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide. Nice fact for you and others to contemplate. Enjoy the science.
I am dyslexic and dyspraxic but I have spent years teaching myself how to get my thoughts down on screen (Siri helps) so come on Blu try and give us a little more depth instead of just maga bombing the forum Guess I should go to work and call out the doctors for their spelling mistakes on prescriptions. ( Understanding context helps ).
To be fair though Blu, you do often spell TRUMP incorrectly. It is spelt...
W A N K E R
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"It's not question time,your on the wrong channel
This is really strange behaviour. Posting on a web forum about being angry about web forums. I'm not angry,what gives you that idea ?
Swearing lots and insulting people.
For the record, I think it's fine to use the forum any way you want. It's pretty funny. I do use the forums anyway I want,I don't need people to tell me,how I should use the forums"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor."
I'm not complaining (whining) about it. You are. In fact, you've been whining about whining
Any contribution on the topic of UK immigration statistics or did you post just to express general anger, again? |
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
I'm not complaining (whining) about it. You are. In fact, you've been whining about whining
Any contribution on the topic of UK immigration statistics or did you post just to express general anger, again?"
there you go,asking questions again, |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
I'm not complaining (whining) about it. You are. In fact, you've been whining about whining
Any contribution on the topic of UK immigration statistics or did you post just to express general anger, again?there you go,asking questions again,"
Yes. There I go. Asking questions in a discussion forum.
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Let’s put the increase into context here.
Migration from people fleeing the commies in Hong Kong, the Ukrainians fleeing the evil Putin, people coming across in boats, and people coming to work in the NHS and tech industries.
Migration has increase in the skilled labour market quite significantly after brexit.
Problem is we need unskilled Labour which was being filled by European workers.
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor."
Post of the month! Agree 100%
Yet, he has the nerve to distract from his behaviour by accusing others of it! We have a short phrase for it here : the pot calling the kettle black. Or even shorter : hypocrisy.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
Post of the month! Agree 100%
Yet, he has the nerve to distract from his behaviour by accusing others of it! We have a short phrase for it here : the pot calling the kettle black. Or even shorter : hypocrisy.
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Oh sweetie, are you going to follow me to every thread I've ever posted on?
Are you my new stalker? 
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
Post of the month! Agree 100%
Yet, he has the nerve to distract from his behaviour by accusing others of it! We have a short phrase for it here : the pot calling the kettle black. Or even shorter : hypocrisy.
Oh sweetie, are you going to follow me to every thread I've ever posted on?
Are you my new stalker?
What's your opinion on the poorly formulated migration argument that this thread is about?"
Given that you reply far more to my posts than I do yours, this is further proof of your hypocrisy and twisting things round!
I blocked you first when it became apparent ages ago that it was an appropriate move
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I'm taking the piss out of you It's the normality for some here if you disagree they demand a answer. Best to let the forum brigade do their thing.
Isn't that what a forum is for? It you disagree you ask questions.
Otherwise why bother posting up here if you don't want any discussion? hence why no one posts anymore lol. Then the same people whine over why no one is posting. So what is the point . You just disagree to have a what for it makes you feel better about yourself. Enjoy. It's a never ending circle of ignorance in this forum.
No one posts anymore because their opinions are questioned and they are unable to respond without being rude?
Why do you post on here so frequently? Why do you post almost daily ? Then degrade people if they disagree? Clearly you been called out on your rudeness multiple times. Yet your superiority complex gets in your way to understand. Circle of ignorance. You have a penchant of preforming for the masses to feed your ego. I'll just fade away and be myself. Carry on mien furor.
Post of the month! Agree 100%
Yet, he has the nerve to distract from his behaviour by accusing others of it! We have a short phrase for it here : the pot calling the kettle black. Or even shorter : hypocrisy.
Oh sweetie, are you going to follow me to every thread I've ever posted on?
Are you my new stalker?
What's your opinion on the poorly formulated migration argument that this thread is about?
Given that you reply far more to my posts than I do yours, this is further proof of your hypocrisy and twisting things round!
I blocked you first when it became apparent ages ago that it was an appropriate move
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I've never messaged you. Why on earth would I?
What's your opinion on the migration argument in this thread? Do you have one?
Was there some other reason that you chose to post here? |
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