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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it. |
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
No. Aggressive taking of land from a neighbouring country should never be allowed. |
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost. "
You don't win against a bully by giving into them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost. "
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual."
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat "
When the US pulls the plug. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual."
Except none of these countries invaded another sovereign nation.
They are all civil wars. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Except none of these countries invaded another sovereign nation.
They are all civil wars. "
I think technically speaking the US invaded Afghanistan, though for reasons that were initially justified. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug."
When will the US pull the plug |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug "
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere. |
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere. "
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ? "
When Trump gets re-elected  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected "
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow."
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ?? |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected "
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??"
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's p igacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
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I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ? |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
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Why did it take Trump (republican) so long before he agreed to pull out of Afghanistan |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ? "
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
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I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’ |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
Why did it take Trump (republican) so long before he agreed to pull out of Afghanistan "
I'm not sure what that's got to do with Ukraine?
The debacle in Afghanistan was supported by Democrats and Republicans. All were wrong. So many dead and wounded, and so much money wasted. All to no end.
Let's hope the Leftist warmongers don't make the same mistake in Ukraine. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’ "
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
Why did it take Trump (republican) so long before he agreed to pull out of Afghanistan
I'm not sure what that's got to do with Ukraine?
The debacle in Afghanistan was supported by Democrats and Republicans. All were wrong. So many dead and wounded, and so much money wasted. All to no end.
Let's hope the Leftist warmongers don't make the same mistake in Ukraine."
You stated that republicans have a different perspective? Do you have any evidence that support for the Ukraine in the West is dwindling ? |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end. "
It will end when Russia is defeated , however I think they will be given the chance to save face, maybe Ukraine will agree to a fair independence referendum in certain regions |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow."
I think it is very unlikely Donald Trump will win enough primaries to win the candidacy. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end. "
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
It will end when Russia is defeated , however I think they will be given the chance to save face, maybe Ukraine will agree to a fair independence referendum in certain regions "
I think this too because unfortunately he will need to be given something even though I feel ukraine shouldn't have to. |
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"I get the feeling this starts to end if/when Putin is toppled from the inside. I think that's what the West is hoping."
I was hoping this too but from listening to lots of radio interviews with people that know a lot more about these things then I do and reading quite a lot it seems to be it does go further than Putin so I guess it's the whole Regime the needs bringing down. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units. "
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units.
There is the potential for a fab military unit on the politics forum "
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units.
There is the potential for a fab military unit on the politics forum
I mean there is definitely people with expertise and inside information so you could be on to something "
A fab military unit would destroy itself long before it got anywhere near the enemy. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units.
There is the potential for a fab military unit on the politics forum
I mean there is definitely people with expertise and inside information so you could be on to something
A fab military unit would destroy itself long before it got anywhere near the enemy."
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units.
There is the potential for a fab military unit on the politics forum
I mean there is definitely people with expertise and inside information so you could be on to something
A fab military unit would destroy itself long before it got anywhere near the enemy.
Stumped "
Loads of warriors on Fab. Of the keyboard variety. Perhaps not so good with bullets flying, but awesome in the virtual space. |
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"Fuck it let them go at each other till one has no one left to fight then the other sides the winner, i meen everyone seems prepared to fight till the last ukrainian dont they, "
I volunteer to send Festy out there to sort it all out. In the 1st wave, if need be. |
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"Fuck it let them go at each other till one has no one left to fight then the other sides the winner, i meen everyone seems prepared to fight till the last ukrainian dont they,
I volunteer to send Festy out there to sort it all out. In the 1st wave, if need be."
Major Festy of the fab military unit. |
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units. "
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
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Break into my property, refuse to leave and start smashing stuff up.
See how willing I am to compromise.
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Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that. |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that."
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious. |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that."
So the OP is wrong ? |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious."
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
So the OP is wrong ? "
I would say so. Sec def stated the goal back in April. McCarthy supports Ukraine he is going to be the Republican house speaker. |
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Tim Marshall wrote a book called “prisoners of geography” a few years ago which will give you a pretty good idea of why Ukraine is important to both the world’s grain supplies and why the Russians fear being invaded from it. There is also another aspect to the Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine which is that there are big reserves of rare earths and minerals there which the Russians want to control as they have lost out to China in much of the rest of the world. So no I think if you follow the money this one will run and run until Putin is capped by his own because he can’t win, even with Iranian drones or battlefied nukes |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
So the OP is wrong ? I would say so. Sec def stated the goal back in April. McCarthy supports Ukraine he is going to be the Republican house speaker."
should be better oversight on where the money is going. Not giving up on Ukraine. |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject "
I notice they didn't answer... |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject
I notice they didn't answer..."
Midterms tomorrow not a presidential election. Can't help it you not aware of that. |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject
I notice they didn't answer... Midterms tomorrow not a presidential election. Can't help it you not aware of that."
It was a v simple question that you could have given a yes/no answer to. I'm curious how entrenched the big lie is among republicans. That's why I asked. |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious. Right now the lie is not there. Alot including me is going purple this year not red or blue. People more concerned about the state. Not trump.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject
I notice they didn't answer... Midterms tomorrow not a presidential election. Can't help it you not aware of that.
It was a v simple question that you could have given a yes/no answer to. I'm curious how entrenched the big lie is among republicans. That's why I asked."
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious. Right now the lie is not there. Alot including me is going purple this year not red or blue. People more concerned about the state. Not trump.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject
I notice they didn't answer... Midterms tomorrow not a presidential election. Can't help it you not aware of that.
It was a v simple question that you could have given a yes/no answer to. I'm curious how entrenched the big lie is among republicans. That's why I asked."
The lie is not there? What do you mean?
+ do your Republicaan friends admit Trump lost the election? And do you? |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious. Right now the lie is not there. Alot including me is going purple this year not red or blue. People more concerned about the state. Not trump.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject
I notice they didn't answer... Midterms tomorrow not a presidential election. Can't help it you not aware of that.
It was a v simple question that you could have given a yes/no answer to. I'm curious how entrenched the big lie is among republicans. That's why I asked.
The lie is not there? What do you mean?
+ do your Republicaan friends admit Trump lost the election? And do you?"
Do you honestly think people worried about the 2020 election ? I am not neither are they. What is the your fascination constantly with Trump? |
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"Every Republican I associate with agrees on providing Ukraine. It the perfect opportunity to degrade the Russian the military. Ukraine is doing just that.
do they agree Trump lost the election? Just curious. Right now the lie is not there. Alot including me is going purple this year not red or blue. People more concerned about the state. Not trump.
Shhhh, don’t mention Trump, touchy subject
I notice they didn't answer... Midterms tomorrow not a presidential election. Can't help it you not aware of that.
It was a v simple question that you could have given a yes/no answer to. I'm curious how entrenched the big lie is among republicans. That's why I asked.
The lie is not there? What do you mean?
+ do your Republicaan friends admit Trump lost the election? And do you? Do you honestly think people worried about the 2020 election ? I am not neither are they. What is the your fascination constantly with Trump?"
Just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question. It's v odd you can't give it.
The big lie Trump spread tht he supposedly won the election was incredibly damaging to your democracy. It will be incredibly damaging for future elections too if people believe him. Tht's why I think this is important.
So... again... do you think Trump lost the election? + do your Republican friends think he lost? |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question."
It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread."
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie. |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie."
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad). |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad)."
I did just start a thread on the big lie. As I just said... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
I did just start a thread on the big lie. As I just said..."
and I choose not to answer. See how glossing over a thread works. |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad)."
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"So back on topic since the trump brigade loves to derail it. OP republicans will support Ukraine."
Yeah, but only if they tow the line.
That perfect phone call, would Ukrain be in the situation today, had those funds not been withheld?
To negotiate gives the green light to other countries suffering the same fate, then talk a way out to keep nicked land, grain, tractors and washing machines.
What happens when more washing machines are needed?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine "
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first."
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims? |
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over a year ago
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine "
True you all fail to realize that our #1 trusted institution is our military. If the Pentagon says yes we need to help ukraine everyone else will fall in line to their assessment. So no worries on Ukraine. |
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over a year ago
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Ok Buck, when will the West retreat
When the US pulls the plug.
When will the US pull the plug
When it loses interest or decides that its priorities lie elsewhere.
When will it lose interest or decide that it’s priorities lie elsewhere ?
When Trump gets re-elected
Probably sooner than that, given the midterms tomorrow.
Probably? I thought you were ‘ahead of the curve’ ??
Under Biden the US economy is in a mess. Like our own beloved government he has massively overspent. Inflation is high, interest rates are having to go up. A recession looms.
Biden's pigacy extends to his support for Ukraine. He has given them more in aid than the entire annual Russian military budget.
The Republicans have a different perspective on America's strategic interests, and against the backdrop of a flailing economy will ask more questions about why they are getting bogged down in a war that's irrelevant to their interests. Even the Democrats seem to be concerned that Zelensky is an ingrate who's making no effort to compromise.
I see. 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? When will the west stop supporting the Ukraine ?
How do you see the war in Ukraine concluding? How long are you prepared to support it for? Twenty years? What will be left?
I don’t know, you are the one who is ‘ahead of the curve’
So basically you have no plan. It's just war without end.
Why do we need a plan? as far as I know none of us on this thread run the country or any Military units.
I feel this comment may make the Politics forum redundant."
Why? I thought the idea of the politics forums were people tyou discuss issues and debate things.
I wasn't aware we could only come in this section if we had actual solutions to every crisis. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims? "
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster. |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster. "
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Fuck it let them go at each other till one has no one left to fight then the other sides the winner, i meen everyone seems prepared to fight till the last ukrainian dont they,
I volunteer to send Festy out there to sort it all out. In the 1st wave, if need be."
why volunteer me? I dont give a flying one if ukraine or russia are wiped off the map, fuck all to do with the rest of the world should of kept our noses well out of it, what a choice eh side with the most corrupt country in europe or the 2nd most corrupt country in europe |
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"Fuck it let them go at each other till one has no one left to fight then the other sides the winner, i meen everyone seems prepared to fight till the last ukrainian dont they,
I volunteer to send Festy out there to sort it all out. In the 1st wave, if need be.why volunteer me? I dont give a flying one if ukraine or russia are wiped off the map, fuck all to do with the rest of the world should of kept our noses well out of it, what a choice eh side with the most corrupt country in europe or the 2nd most corrupt country in europe"
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over a year ago
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
Back up your claims then Buck "
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
Back up your claims then Buck
What "claims"? I venture only opinion, as do you."
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You all can take whatever sources you read. Here both republican and democrats have Ukrainian support. I do not see that faltering. Too many houses with the US flag and Ukrainian flag flying everywhere. Fund raisers to support Ukraine. People giving up their old military gear or purchasing new ones for Ukrainian troops. It's political bluster you see on the news. |
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You all can take whatever sources you read. Here both republican and democrats have Ukrainian support. I do not see that faltering. Too many houses with the US flag and Ukrainian flag flying everywhere. Fund raisers to support Ukraine. People giving up their old military gear or purchasing new ones for Ukrainian troops. It's political bluster you see on the news not everyday people. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
You don't win against a bully by giving into them. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
Back up your claims then Buck
What "claims"? I venture only opinion, as do you.
And my opinion , based on the evidence at hand, is that your talking rubbish "
Well you always talk rubbish.
And it's "you're" not "your". People will take you more seriously. |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
Back up your claims then Buck
What "claims"? I venture only opinion, as do you.
And my opinion , based on the evidence at hand, is that your talking rubbish
Well you always talk rubbish.
And it's "you're" not "your". People will take you more seriously."
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Fuck it let them go at each other till one has no one left to fight then the other sides the winner, i meen everyone seems prepared to fight till the last ukrainian dont they,
I volunteer to send Festy out there to sort it all out. In the 1st wave, if need be.why volunteer me? I dont give a flying one if ukraine or russia are wiped off the map, fuck all to do with the rest of the world should of kept our noses well out of it, what a choice eh side with the most corrupt country in europe or the 2nd most corrupt country in europe
You must give a fuck? Your on a thread taking about it "
erm read my first post fuck both countrys so no i dont give a fuck who wins or loses only thing u can be sure of is putin and zelensky wont suffer anx ive asked you untold times id prefer you dont interact with me on here, i know your not stupid so must be a troll |
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"Fuck it let them go at each other till one has no one left to fight then the other sides the winner, i meen everyone seems prepared to fight till the last ukrainian dont they,
I volunteer to send Festy out there to sort it all out. In the 1st wave, if need be.why volunteer me? I dont give a flying one if ukraine or russia are wiped off the map, fuck all to do with the rest of the world should of kept our noses well out of it, what a choice eh side with the most corrupt country in europe or the 2nd most corrupt country in europe
You must give a fuck? Your on a thread taking about it erm read my first post fuck both countrys so no i dont give a fuck who wins or loses only thing u can be sure of is putin and zelensky wont suffer anx ive asked you untold times id prefer you dont interact with me on here, i know your not stupid so must be a troll"
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I think peace should always be sought out.
Problem is now the balance has tipped toward Ukraine Putin will appear weak so it’s off the table anyway.
It’s going to go on and on until he is toppled or dies. |
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over a year ago
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"Some won't accept we are already at War with Russia.
Many believed Russian claims of Hysterical Rhetoric over the January training exercises and invasion wasn't going to happen."
it's a chess board. Any giving day you can witness that game on open resources. Yet nothing in the news and fools turn a blind eye. |
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It will end when russia is defeated , however I think they will be given the chance to save face, maybe Ukraine will agree to a fair independence referendum in certain regions
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster. "
I know the one talking about America, is American and lives in America.
I know one of you lives in Birmingham, England.
So........ 
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It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it."
12000+ war crimes, 20,000+ buried in rubble at Mariupol, ra@ed women, pensioners and whole families shot in their cars while trying to escape. Trillion dollars of infrastructure damage
West needs to send more Himars, more equipment, more intelligence etc and help Ukraine retake its territories. On the cost - use the $600bn frozen Russian foreign currency assets to pay for it. |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
I know the one talking about America, is American and lives in America.
I know one of you lives in Birmingham, England.
So........
Winston"
So how come Biden and Trump disagree? Do you believe everything Trump says about the US? |
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It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it.
12000+ war crimes, 20,000+ buried in rubble at Mariupol, ra@ed women, pensioners and whole families shot in their cars while trying to escape. Trillion dollars of infrastructure damage
West needs to send more Himars, more equipment, more intelligence etc and help Ukraine retake its territories. On the cost - use the $600bn frozen Russian foreign currency assets to pay for it. "
Just like we did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya. But sure, this time it's going to be different. |
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
I know the one talking about America, is American and lives in America.
I know one of you lives in Birmingham, England.
So........
Winston
So how come Biden and Trump disagree? Do you believe everything Trump says about the US?"
Ask an American who lives in America. They'll most likely know more about American politics than someone who lives in England.
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"PS I said what I thought would happen with Ukraine above. This is only getting so derailed because you won't answer a v simple question. It's a Ukraine vs Russia thread.
I gave my view on Ukraine + where I think it's going v the West further above. As I said.
PS it'd still be nice to hear you answer the big lie.
Maybe you should open a new thread on the current US political scene, which will be opportune given tomorrow's midterms.
It will no doubt give many participants in the forum an opportunity to comment on what they know about US politics (different variants of Orange Man Bad).
Btw, we have an American republican on here who states your taking utter shite about the US and it’s support for Ukraine
I'm glad to hear that you now think our American friend is the sole source of all truth. Must be a first.
I don’t agree with much they say but they are better informed than you, unless you have any evidence to back up your claims?
How do you know they are better informed than me? You know nothing about me or the other poster.
I know the one talking about America, is American and lives in America.
I know one of you lives in Birmingham, England.
So........
Winston
So how come Biden and Trump disagree? Do you believe everything Trump says about the US?
Ask an American who lives in America. They'll most likely know more about American politics than someone who lives in England.
Winston "
I know plenty of British people who know nothing about British politics, including people with a very good education and professional jobs who know next to nothing because they just aren't interested. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it.
12000+ war crimes, 20,000+ buried in rubble at Mariupol, ra@ed women, pensioners and whole families shot in their cars while trying to escape. Trillion dollars of infrastructure damage
West needs to send more Himars, more equipment, more intelligence etc and help Ukraine retake its territories. On the cost - use the $600bn frozen Russian foreign currency assets to pay for it. "
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So it's being reported that the EU has failed to deliver €5 billion of the €8 billion in aid that it promised to deliver to Ukraine in May. Apparently the funds, which the EU is having to borrow to donate to Ukraine, are bogged down in internal arguments inside the EU. Surprise.
Maybe this is the best argument yet for staying in the EU, that even these wasters cant quite bring themselves to throw more borrowed cash down the drain on some border war between two corrupt countries. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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They will do when it's too late and have to learn Russian.
Ukraine does not need to negotiate as it holds all the trump cards, not only against Putin but the USA as well.
Putins plan was very clear, gain Ukraine, then Moldova then the Balkans, once secured repeat in the North.
Any trade off of Putin retaining his regions would clearly be at the expense of the remainder being part of NATO, not something Putin would agree to.
Had putin's plan to takeover Ukraine in 3 days worked, we would be re-drawing the borders in Europe daily.
Zelensky clearly has support, if he didn't Putin would be walking through a lot more of Europe. If that support fails, best start Russian language classes. |
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it.
No. Aggressive taking of land from a neighbouring country should never be allowed."
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over a year ago
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"What a day it was for ukraine, well done, the russians are retreating "
I don't think we should be complacent though. This is a victory but Russia doesn't allow Ukraine to have victories for long. Every time Ukraine has humiliated the Russians the following Monday Russia has reigned missiles over Ukrainian cities. It's a victory but there will be a big price to pay unfortunately. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"What a day it was for ukraine, well done, the russians are retreating
I don't think we should be complacent though. This is a victory but Russia doesn't allow Ukraine to have victories for long. Every time Ukraine has humiliated the Russians the following Monday Russia has reigned missiles over Ukrainian cities. It's a victory but there will be a big price to pay unfortunately. "
That is right a good temporary victory too and we will see how it goes. I think that the russians underestimated them. I dont think the russians are equipped to win it. |
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"What a day it was for ukraine, well done, the russians are retreating
I don't think we should be complacent though. This is a victory but Russia doesn't allow Ukraine to have victories for long. Every time Ukraine has humiliated the Russians the following Monday Russia has reigned missiles over Ukrainian cities. It's a victory but there will be a big price to pay unfortunately. That is right a good temporary victory too and we will see how it goes. I think that the russians underestimated them. I dont think the russians are equipped to win it."
They absolutely underestimated the Ukrainians and the West. Putin genuinely believed he would take Ukraine within 5 days. He can say all he likes he doesn't regret invading Ukraine but I guarantee if he could have his time over he wouldn't. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it.
No. Aggressive taking of land from a neighbouring country should never be allowed.
And who is going to stop America and Nato doing it ? "
I understand that the USA and other individual countries have behaved purely on the past, but I'm not sure I understand your solution.
Do we need militarised, totalitarian dictatorships to balance out the democracies of NATO? |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"What a day it was for ukraine, well done, the russians are retreating
I don't think we should be complacent though. This is a victory but Russia doesn't allow Ukraine to have victories for long. Every time Ukraine has humiliated the Russians the following Monday Russia has reigned missiles over Ukrainian cities. It's a victory but there will be a big price to pay unfortunately. That is right a good temporary victory too and we will see how it goes. I think that the russians underestimated them. I dont think the russians are equipped to win it.
They absolutely underestimated the Ukrainians and the West. Putin genuinely believed he would take Ukraine within 5 days. He can say all he likes he doesn't regret invading Ukraine but I guarantee if he could have his time over he wouldn't. "
Yes they did, he did think that as he put on the best military in the beginning, but that didnt work, many of these leaders are delusional and lose track of reality.
I think that ukraine is going to win it. I like this saying, russia have the clock, but we have the time as in ukraine, the idea here is that at some point the foreign soldiers are going to leave and go home
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"What a day it was for ukraine, well done, the russians are retreating
I don't think we should be complacent though. This is a victory but Russia doesn't allow Ukraine to have victories for long. Every time Ukraine has humiliated the Russians the following Monday Russia has reigned missiles over Ukrainian cities. It's a victory but there will be a big price to pay unfortunately. That is right a good temporary victory too and we will see how it goes. I think that the russians underestimated them. I dont think the russians are equipped to win it.
They absolutely underestimated the Ukrainians and the West. Putin genuinely believed he would take Ukraine within 5 days. He can say all he likes he doesn't regret invading Ukraine but I guarantee if he could have his time over he wouldn't. Yes they did, he did think that as he put on the best military in the beginning, but that didnt work, many of these leaders are delusional and lose track of reality.
I think that ukraine is going to win it. I like this saying, russia have the clock, but we have the time as in ukraine, the idea here is that at some point the foreign soldiers are going to leave and go home
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By the way, that saying is what the locals in afghanistan is saying and there noone have been able to take over it. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Is it time that the West started pressuring Ukraine and the comedian Zelensky to start negotiating a peaceful resolution with Russia?
The war in Ukraine has followed the usual pattern of pretty much every war that the West has got itself involved in for decades.
Initially it is presented as a simple battle between good and evil, black and white. Then slowly it becomes clear to the population that things are more complex. The war gets bogged down.
The MSM which will have played a big part in the initial warmongering gets bored and moves on to other issues, as does the public.
For months we have been bombarded with daily propaganda about Ukraine winning the war. Even the current mass evacuation of citizens from Kyiv is presented as a sign that Russia is losing.
Sanctions have been a massive own goal, causing economic devastation across the West, and particularly the EU with its disastrous energy policy, having turned itself into a Russian colony so it can posture about climate change.
Zelensky seems to make daily never-ending demands for more money and arms with a total lack of self awareness.
It's time to accept reality and push Zelensky into a peaceful settlement of his country's localised border dispute with Russia. If it means losing some land, mainly inhabited by people who want to live in Russia anyway, so be it.
No. Aggressive taking of land from a neighbouring country should never be allowed.
And who is going to stop America and Nato doing it ? "
When has NATO ever been an aggressor or taken land from neighbouring countries? |
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over a year ago
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Unfortunately my prediction the other day was right it just came A-day later than I thought it would. There was no way Putin was gonna let Ukraine get away with taking back Kherson |
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"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2"
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite. "
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation! |
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"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite.
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation! "
Maybe. It's looking like from some reports but it was a missile that was intercepted by Ukrainian air defences that went of course. I do think this is an escalation because it goes to show other countries can accidentally get involved in this. |
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over a year ago
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"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite.
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation! "
But hang on, I thought the reason we had to support Ukraine was because if we didn't things would just escalate into other countries. |
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"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite.
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation!
But hang on, I thought the reason we had to support Ukraine was because if we didn't things would just escalate into other countries."
We have to support Ukraine because it's the right thing to do. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite.
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation!
But hang on, I thought the reason we had to support Ukraine was because if we didn't things would just escalate into other countries.
We have to support Ukraine because it's the right thing to do. "
The other option is Poland now call for some sort of no fly zone on any region bordering Ukraine up to (name a number) miles backed up by a request from Ukraine… |
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"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite.
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation!
But hang on, I thought the reason we had to support Ukraine was because if we didn't things would just escalate into other countries.
We have to support Ukraine because it's the right thing to do.
The other option is Poland now call for some sort of no fly zone on any region bordering Ukraine up to (name a number) miles backed up by a request from Ukraine… "
Yeah I think that's very likely. |
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Wow all rather arrogant & condescending
Let’s give in to the Russian dictator eh , that’ll show him
"I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual."
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"Reports are comming in that russia have attacked poland now with missiles."
No there are no such reports.
One missile seems to have landed in farmland on the Ukrainian Polish border and reports are 2 people have been killed. Poland has ordered an urgent security council meeting but have admitted it is likely that this was an accident.
The pentagon is aware of reports but hasn't been able to verify anything yet. Let's not just spread false information. |
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"Reports are comming in that russia have attacked poland now with missiles.
No there are no such reports.
One missile seems to have landed in farmland on the Ukrainian Polish border and reports are 2 people have been killed. Poland has ordered an urgent security council meeting but have admitted it is likely that this was an accident.
The pentagon is aware of reports but hasn't been able to verify anything yet. Let's not just spread false information."
There are also reports this could have been a Ukrainian Air defence missile that has gone wrong rouge. Those in power just need to stay calm and keep their heads and work out what exactly has happened. |
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"Yeah I think that's very likely. "
I think the most likely thing to happen is for Poland to invoke article 5 and then demand a complete "No Fly " zone over Ukraine along with NATO enforcement of that no fly zone. For those that don't know, a no fly zone also includes missiles, not just aircraft. Russia will have no answer to that, because they hardly operate any aircraft in Ukranian airspace and all thier missiles will be shot down. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"Reports are comming in that russia have attacked poland now with missiles.
No there are no such reports.
One missile seems to have landed in farmland on the Ukrainian Polish border and reports are 2 people have been killed. Poland has ordered an urgent security council meeting but have admitted it is likely that this was an accident.
The pentagon is aware of reports but hasn't been able to verify anything yet. Let's not just spread false information.
There are also reports this could have been a Ukrainian Air defence missile that has gone wrong rouge. Those in power just need to stay calm and keep their heads and work out what exactly has happened. "
Yes, it is all over the news at the moment, so we will see in due time more about it. |
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"Reports are comming in that russia have attacked poland now with missiles.
No there are no such reports.
One missile seems to have landed in farmland on the Ukrainian Polish border and reports are 2 people have been killed. Poland has ordered an urgent security council meeting but have admitted it is likely that this was an accident.
The pentagon is aware of reports but hasn't been able to verify anything yet. Let's not just spread false information.
There are also reports this could have been a Ukrainian Air defence missile that has gone wrong rouge. Those in power just need to stay calm and keep their heads and work out what exactly has happened. Yes, it is all over the news at the moment, so we will see in due time more about it."
It hasn't even been confirmed yet that it was a missile. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I thought this day would come… and we will see if shits about to hit the fan…
Russian missile strike misses whatever target it was aiming for lands in Poland killing 2
I've just seen this although Poland have admitted it looks like it was a stray missile rather than a targeted attack but still very worrying. I'm not sure nato will intervene in this directly but I think more sanctions will definitely happen and they are starting to bite.
At worst they could envoke article 5… attack on one is attack on all… I think this means Russia will stop missile attacks for a bit now and the question of the jets Ukraine wanted will come back up!!
Poland wants to give Ukraine their old Russian jets as long as they can get them replaced by the us for newer aircraft… that may be the retaliation!
But hang on, I thought the reason we had to support Ukraine was because if we didn't things would just escalate into other countries.
We have to support Ukraine because it's the right thing to do. "
That's what we said about Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq. Look at how that ended up.
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"Wow all rather arrogant & condescending
Let’s give in to the Russian dictator eh , that’ll show him
I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual."
Another armchair private.
What are you doing to help Ukraine? What stand are you taking? Talking tough from your armchair?
Shouldn't you be on a plane to Poland to join the war effort? |
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"Wow all rather arrogant & condescending
Let’s give in to the Russian dictator eh , that’ll show him
I think you know the answer to this. Anyway. He would not stop. He would go on to try and reclaim other countries which Russia had previously lost.
Not at all. I have given my opinion. The masses just haven't caught up yet. But I am sure they soon will. I've been way ahead of the curve on Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now this. It's no different. The West will end up retreating with their tails between their legs as usual.
Another armchair private.
What are you doing to help Ukraine? What stand are you taking? Talking tough from your armchair?
Shouldn't you be on a plane to Poland to join the war effort?"
Rarely have a read such utter pony. So ridiculous it amuses me. Continue |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Russians, Ukrainians (Soviets) are both the same to me"
Why say that? It would seem that is being deliberately provocative?
If someone said Jamaicans, Barbadians are both the same to me, that too would be provocative.
So what was the point of your post? |
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Ukraine has plenty of people willing to pickup a gun and defend their homeland. For as long as that is the case they should be helped with the best training, weapons, and armour we can give them. |
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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago
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"Ukraine has plenty of people willing to pickup a gun and defend their homeland. For as long as that is the case they should be helped with the best training, weapons, and armour we can give them."
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"Russians, Ukrainians (Soviets) are both the same to me
Why say that? It would seem that is being deliberately provocative?
If someone said Jamaicans, Barbadians are both the same to me, that too would be provocative.
So what was the point of your post?"
Well actually Jamaicans and Barbadians are almost the same, slight difference is Barbados is much smaller and has a more welcoming mood compared to Jamaicans. Anyways as Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and spoke Russian (still do as well as Ukrainian) although with slightly different cultures and believes, I was just saying they are the same as to say they shouldnt be fighting each other at all. I see why you feel I was being provocative but honestly I'm not and will rescind my earlier comment. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Russians, Ukrainians (Soviets) are both the same to me
Why say that? It would seem that is being deliberately provocative?
If someone said Jamaicans, Barbadians are both the same to me, that too would be provocative.
So what was the point of your post? Well actually Jamaicans and Barbadians are almost the same, slight difference is Barbados is much smaller and has a more welcoming mood compared to Jamaicans. Anyways as Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and spoke Russian (still do as well as Ukrainian) although with slightly different cultures and believes, I was just saying they are the same as to say they shouldnt be fighting each other at all. I see why you feel I was being provocative but honestly I'm not and will rescind my earlier comment."
All cool.
Worth knowing though that Ukrainian is a different language to Russian although it shares a similar etymology. Under the Soviet Union schools only taught in Russian. However, since the break up of the Soviet Union the Ukrainian language has made a come back.
I would say Ukrainians see themselves as distinct from Russians in a similar way to various Caribbean countries that were former British colonies do. |
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