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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
Unfortunately, shardenfreude in what is happening in the EU doesn't help that are output fell long ago and hasn't recovered since Brexit.
Look at a comparative GDP graph and have a think rather than quoting a random item from a slightly biased paper.
Seems strange that you are still fighting old battles by comparing us with countries that are still performing consistently better than we are.
How do we improve our own performance? Easiest solution is rejoining the European Economic Area. Will have to accept EU standards but the divergence is generating huge cost, delays and uncertainty for UK companies. You should read up about the problems of the UKCA mark failing to replace the CE. |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Unfortunately, shardenfreude in what is happening in the EU doesn't help that are output fell long ago and hasn't recovered since Brexit.
Look at a comparative GDP graph and have a think rather than quoting a random item from a slightly biased paper.
Seems strange that you are still fighting old battles by comparing us with countries that are still performing consistently better than we are.
How do we improve our own performance? Easiest solution is rejoining the European Economic Area. Will have to accept EU standards but the divergence is generating huge cost, delays and uncertainty for UK companies. You should read up about the problems of the UKCA mark failing to replace the CE."
OP - that’s you told off then by the Fab forum master. Off to the naughty to corner to study his suggested reading. |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Unfortunately, shardenfreude in what is happening in the EU doesn't help that are output fell long ago and hasn't recovered since Brexit.
Look at a comparative GDP graph and have a think rather than quoting a random item from a slightly biased paper.
Seems strange that you are still fighting old battles by comparing us with countries that are still performing consistently better than we are.
How do we improve our own performance? Easiest solution is rejoining the European Economic Area. Will have to accept EU standards but the divergence is generating huge cost, delays and uncertainty for UK companies. You should read up about the problems of the UKCA mark failing to replace the CE.
OP - that’s you told off then by the Fab forum master. Off to the naughty to corner to study his suggested reading. "
What is your opinion on the actual OP. What have your contribution?
Do you feel that you've added to anyone's knowledge of the topic? Is this how you debate to such great success in the pub?  |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Unfortunately, shardenfreude in what is happening in the EU doesn't help that are output fell long ago and hasn't recovered since Brexit.
Look at a comparative GDP graph and have a think rather than quoting a random item from a slightly biased paper.
Seems strange that you are still fighting old battles by comparing us with countries that are still performing consistently better than we are.
How do we improve our own performance? Easiest solution is rejoining the European Economic Area. Will have to accept EU standards but the divergence is generating huge cost, delays and uncertainty for UK companies. You should read up about the problems of the UKCA mark failing to replace the CE.
OP - that’s you told off then by the Fab forum master. Off to the naughty to corner to study his suggested reading.
What is your opinion on the actual OP. What have your contribution?
Do you feel that you've added to anyone's knowledge of the topic? Is this how you debate to such great success in the pub? "
Indeed we have debated this very subject. A forthright exchange of views, some disagreements of course but we can agree to disagree. It’s a challenging stimulating debate, but held in good spirits as there’s nobody there that comes across as a patronising smug prick. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Unfortunately, shardenfreude in what is happening in the EU doesn't help that are output fell long ago and hasn't recovered since Brexit.
Look at a comparative GDP graph and have a think rather than quoting a random item from a slightly biased paper.
Seems strange that you are still fighting old battles by comparing us with countries that are still performing consistently better than we are.
How do we improve our own performance? Easiest solution is rejoining the European Economic Area. Will have to accept EU standards but the divergence is generating huge cost, delays and uncertainty for UK companies. You should read up about the problems of the UKCA mark failing to replace the CE.
OP - that’s you told off then by the Fab forum master. Off to the naughty to corner to study his suggested reading.
What is your opinion on the actual OP. What have your contribution?
Do you feel that you've added to anyone's knowledge of the topic? Is this how you debate to such great success in the pub?
Indeed we have debated this very subject. A forthright exchange of views, some disagreements of course but we can agree to disagree. It’s a challenging stimulating debate, but held in good spirits as there’s nobody there that comes across as a patronising smug prick."
***Off topic***
...and still no comment on the actual topic.
Do you have any thoughts to add about industrial activity in the Eurozone and a rather short-term and limited view of the effects of Brexit?
If not just say that you are only commenting to make insults so people can skip past. It's only courtesy. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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I get while Brexit supporters might see this as a good thing. It isn’t. We still trade with the countries of Europe. Economic downturn will impact on demand for UK products and services harming our export industry. If the production in European countries falls it will reduce supply, pushing up prices and harming UK consumers and our import industry.
Another interesting fact is that the UK economy was valued at 90% of Germany before Brexit. It is now only valued at 70% of Germany. However you try to cut it, that negative growth is not good! |
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"I get while Brexit supporters might see this as a good thing. It isn’t. We still trade with the countries of Europe. Economic downturn will impact on demand for UK products and services harming our export industry. If the production in European countries falls it will reduce supply, pushing up prices and harming UK consumers and our import industry.
Another interesting fact is that the UK economy was valued at 90% of Germany before Brexit. It is now only valued at 70% of Germany. However you try to cut it, that negative growth is not good!"
Clearly the shit show that is Brexit, has had a massive negative impact. I fear we are also seeing the consequences of 30 years or so of mass imports from China and other parts of the Far East. It’s a huge drain on finance with little going in the other direction.
I’ve seen the impact on north Italy which used to be a real powerhouse of manufacturing. All those jobs lost to China. Germany is perhaps now experiencing the same. You would be shocked as to how many goods that claim or appear to be made in Germany, are actually Chinese.
I note that Scholz of Germany is off to China with a German trade mission, much to the annoyance of Macron who’s request to go along was rejected.
Loss of currency & jobs to China, loss of currency also to US ‘tech’ firms.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I get while Brexit supporters might see this as a good thing. It isn’t. We still trade with the countries of Europe. Economic downturn will impact on demand for UK products and services harming our export industry. If the production in European countries falls it will reduce supply, pushing up prices and harming UK consumers and our import industry.
Another interesting fact is that the UK economy was valued at 90% of Germany before Brexit. It is now only valued at 70% of Germany. However you try to cut it, that negative growth is not good!
Clearly the shit show that is Brexit, has had a massive negative impact. I fear we are also seeing the consequences of 30 years or so of mass imports from China and other parts of the Far East. It’s a huge drain on finance with little going in the other direction.
I’ve seen the impact on north Italy which used to be a real powerhouse of manufacturing. All those jobs lost to China. Germany is perhaps now experiencing the same. You would be shocked as to how many goods that claim or appear to be made in Germany, are actually Chinese.
I note that Scholz of Germany is off to China with a German trade mission, much to the annoyance of Macron who’s request to go along was rejected.
Loss of currency & jobs to China, loss of currency also to US ‘tech’ firms.
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The current problem that is going to weigh heavily compared to 2008 is China's massive economic slowdown. Last time they carried much of the global economy. This time they cannot.
Germany has a particular problem because it builds a lot of capital equipment for factories which are now not being invested in.
German equipment does contain a lot of Chinese parts, made cheaply and efficiently on the machines that they sold them.
There is a belated shift in Europe and t he e USA to onshore and near-shore manufacture. Partly to avoid the supply vulnerabilities exposed by COVID and partly because they see the renewable and EV industries as strategic and extremely valuable with China now having too great an advantage. |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
I'd like to hear more from the final hangers on to the Brexit dream/farce.
This forum was much more fun when it was all about people trying to justify voting to leave the EU despite the reality of leaving the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
I'd like to hear more from the final hangers on to the Brexit dream/farce.
This forum was much more fun when it was all about people trying to justify voting to leave the EU despite the reality of leaving the EU. "
They are a rare species, so we need to study them before they become extinct |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
Difficult to see the story as behind a pay wall. Have seen a few similar ones mostly on about the euro currency and inflation. I agree with another poster here that a prosperous Europe is good for us so if they do encounter problems then it affects us all |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Difficult to see the story as behind a pay wall. Have seen a few similar ones mostly on about the euro currency and inflation. I agree with another poster here that a prosperous Europe is good for us so if they do encounter problems then it affects us all"
True, but that doesn’t wash with your average Brexit fanatic, they want the EU to suffer in order to justify their Brexit utopia |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Are you one of 18 people who still think Brexit was a good idea? "
corrected that for you lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Are you one of 18 people who still think Brexit was a good idea?
corrected that for you lol"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
the pattern is almost exactly the same as us. We are at 46.2. EUZ is 46.6
Both fell from 48.4 in Sept.
Both are 29 month low.
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By (user no longer on site)
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A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture. "
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"?"
Well the pursuit of net zero is going to cost us £50 billion a year, so hopefully we will be getting something for it, though I'm not convinced ordinary citizens are going to see much of it. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"?
Well the pursuit of net zero is going to cost us £50 billion a year, so hopefully we will be getting something for it, though I'm not convinced ordinary citizens are going to see much of it."
The reason that our energy prices aren't even higher right now is because of the pursuit of net zero.
Find some data to support your prejudices and we can have a discussion. Raving is boring. |
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"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"?
Well the pursuit of net zero is going to cost us £50 billion a year, so hopefully we will be getting something for it, though I'm not convinced ordinary citizens are going to see much of it."
Which conspiracy theory website did you get this disinformation from? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"?
Well the pursuit of net zero is going to cost us £50 billion a year, so hopefully we will be getting something for it, though I'm not convinced ordinary citizens are going to see much of it.
Which conspiracy theory website did you get this disinformation from?"
That's from the Government's Committee on Climate Change, but agreed everyone does think it's disinformation. I suggest doubling the figure and it will probably still be an underestimate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"?
Well the pursuit of net zero is going to cost us £50 billion a year, so hopefully we will be getting something for it, though I'm not convinced ordinary citizens are going to see much of it.
Which conspiracy theory website did you get this disinformation from?
That's from the Government's Committee on Climate Change, but agreed everyone does think it's disinformation. I suggest doubling the figure and it will probably still be an underestimate."
for clarity, that's largely shouldered by the private sector and the same report suggests most will be recouped through savings. |
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"A lot of manufacturing is having issues due to problems with chip supply.
For example, Land Rover have plenty of new car orders but can't make them due to not enough chips being available. There's probably a lot of other manufacturing that's suffering globally.
Gee we wonder why...? What global events have been occurring recently that could have impacted global production...?
Would really like to know how being in the European Economic Zone will speed up silicon mining and chip manufacture.
It's the fact that car companies didn't extend their orders and chip production was shifted to other products.
The problem is the long lead time on building factories. Massive investment by the US now and 43bn euro proposed for the EU. What are we doing about it now that we are "free"?
Well the pursuit of net zero is going to cost us £50 billion a year, so hopefully we will be getting something for it, though I'm not convinced ordinary citizens are going to see much of it.
Which conspiracy theory website did you get this disinformation from?
That's from the Government's Committee on Climate Change, but agreed everyone does think it's disinformation. I suggest doubling the figure and it will probably still be an underestimate."
Oh I see. You've completely misunderstood the carbon budget projection.
Carry on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So we're supposed to believe that every single car manufacturer all decided at once to stop ordering chips at a critical time? That these multibillion dollar companies all decided to not make proper orders all at the same time?
Some people on here are full of utter shite! Stop parroting Guardian articles and research a bit or do you senile folk need to be spoon fed everything by media? 
Covid caused everything to shut, which has knocked on chip manufacturing and then anything and everything that uses it. It's not Brexit, it's not bloody the Ukraine war. It was Covid lock downs, and it will take time for manufa during to catch up. |
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"So we're supposed to believe that every single car manufacturer all decided at once to stop ordering chips at a critical time? That these multibillion dollar companies all decided to not make proper orders all at the same time?
Some people on here are full of utter shite! Stop parroting Guardian articles and research a bit or do you senile folk need to be spoon fed everything by media?
Covid caused everything to shut, which has knocked on chip manufacturing and then anything and everything that uses it. It's not Brexit, it's not bloody the Ukraine war. It was Covid lock downs, and it will take time for manufa during to catch up."
Covid indeed. And the resulting massive disruption to the global supply chain.
Car companies used to have a rule though of not relying on parts coming across an ocean for the production lines. I guess that’s changed? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Covid indeed. And the resulting massive disruption to the global supply chain.
Car companies used to have a rule though of not relying on parts coming across an ocean for the production lines. I guess that’s changed? "
Its more that manufacturers have eaten into their suppliers just in time stockpiles of electronic parts, which haven't got replenished. It won't get better until chip supply ramps up but a lot of chips are made in China which is still having lockdowns in places. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Automotive Microchip production has been affected by many issues recently.
A disastrous fire at a plant in Japan, adverse weather in Texas, sanctions against Chinese production and Covid, have all meant that chips are still sought after.
Many producers chose to switch to the more lucrative PC and gadget sector during Covid. People were buying these, and not cars.
The situation is slowly improving but any chips that do become available, are understandably directed at the higher cost models and electric cars.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!! |
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over a year ago
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Who’d have thought that 2022 was going to be tory shitshow?
Well only two years left before they are gone.
They’ve lost the Markets, they’ve lost their credibility, they’ve lost their minds.
Hey ho. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!! "
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide..... |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide....."
c'mon fella, this thread was started to try and kick the EU. Being out of the EU hasn't immunised us from the shit hitting the fan. Indeed our PMI were a little worse. It's as tho Brexit was at best, a distraction ... |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....c'mon fella, this thread was started to try and kick the EU. Being out of the EU hasn't immunised us from the shit hitting the fan. Indeed our PMI were a little worse. It's as tho Brexit was at best, a distraction ..."
I don't need to kick the EU. They have done it to themselves.
Still, Trump did warn them not to volunteer to be a Russian colony. |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....c'mon fella, this thread was started to try and kick the EU. Being out of the EU hasn't immunised us from the shit hitting the fan. Indeed our PMI were a little worse. It's as tho Brexit was at best, a distraction ...
I don't need to kick the EU. They have done it to themselves.
Still, Trump did warn them not to volunteer to be a Russian colony."
maybe they have. Maybe they haven't. The report didn't show either which way. |
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over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....c'mon fella, this thread was started to try and kick the EU. Being out of the EU hasn't immunised us from the shit hitting the fan. Indeed our PMI were a little worse. It's as tho Brexit was at best, a distraction ...
I don't need to kick the EU. They have done it to themselves.
Still, Trump did warn them not to volunteer to be a Russian colony."
Even though we have left the EU they are still living in your head rent free, you won, move on and savour and enjoy freedom and control |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So we're supposed to believe that every single car manufacturer all decided at once to stop ordering chips at a critical time? That these multibillion dollar companies all decided to not make proper orders all at the same time?
Some people on here are full of utter shite! Stop parroting Guardian articles and research a bit or do you senile folk need to be spoon fed everything by media?
Covid caused everything to shut, which has knocked on chip manufacturing and then anything and everything that uses it. It's not Brexit, it's not bloody the Ukraine war. It was Covid lock downs, and it will take time for manufa during to catch up."
They reduced their chip purchases when production slowed or stopped during COVID. Car companies worked on a just in time basis so could not hold any deliveries without incurring even higher costs. Chip manufacturers switched their production to consumer products for which there was and still is high demand. They are also newer chips and a higher profit for the chip manufacturers.
Overall, demand is up and there is a long lead time to build new factories. Both the USA and the EU are encouraging them to be built on their territory to guarantee future supply security.
You are quite right, do your research before trying to be patronising.
Look up what I wrote and educate yourself before sounding off.
The information is available from lots of sources that are not the Guardian.
You can choose to believe whatever you like though regardless of reality. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
At least they had something to collapse what's the UK got ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
At least they had something to collapse what's the UK got ?"
Sure, it's difficult to tell the UK and Somalia apart sometimes. Such a poverty stricken war zone. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide....."
America’s jobs market/ unemployment rate is at 3%… which is actually the lowest it’s been in decades…..
Oh and if the Bank of England are saying that uk interest rates are going to top out at 5.25%.. and it stands at 3% now… uk rates are going to go up like the fed.. probably in sync with the fed!!!
I love the way you copycat Biden and you call stuff the “radical left agenda “
Do you know what right wingers call the radical left… stuff like the NHS!! Paid annual leave and maternity/paternity leave … you know, stuff we take for granted
Unless you are saying you hate the NHS buck!  |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....
America’s jobs market/ unemployment rate is at 3%… which is actually the lowest it’s been in decades…..
Oh and if the Bank of England are saying that uk interest rates are going to top out at 5.25%.. and it stands at 3% now… uk rates are going to go up like the fed.. probably in sync with the fed!!!
I love the way you copycat Biden and you call stuff the “radical left agenda “
Do you know what right wingers call the radical left… stuff like the NHS!! Paid annual leave and maternity/paternity leave … you know, stuff we take for granted
Unless you are saying you hate the NHS buck! "
Is US interest rates higher than UK still? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....
America’s jobs market/ unemployment rate is at 3%… which is actually the lowest it’s been in decades…..
Oh and if the Bank of England are saying that uk interest rates are going to top out at 5.25%.. and it stands at 3% now… uk rates are going to go up like the fed.. probably in sync with the fed!!!
I love the way you copycat Biden and you call stuff the “radical left agenda “
Do you know what right wingers call the radical left… stuff like the NHS!! Paid annual leave and maternity/paternity leave … you know, stuff we take for granted
Unless you are saying you hate the NHS buck! "
I neither hate nor love the NHS. That would be irrational. It's simply a health service. It's like saying I love the Royal Mail, or hate the DVLA. Either would be unhinged. |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016."
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. |
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. "
Your a tiny island reliant on imports. What happens if the global stage says enough with UK ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. Your a tiny island reliant on imports. What happens if the global stage says enough with UK ?"
We are. If we aren't resourceful in those circumstances, then things go wrong.
That's why leaving the EU was a bad idea... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. Your a tiny island reliant on imports. What happens if the global stage says enough with UK ?
We are. If we aren't resourceful in those circumstances, then things go wrong.
That's why leaving the EU was a bad idea..."
So who is at fault ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. Your a tiny island reliant on imports. What happens if the global stage says enough with UK ?
We are. If we aren't resourceful in those circumstances, then things go wrong.
That's why leaving the EU was a bad idea... So who is at fault ? "
Whoever voted for Brexit.
That's how democracy works. People are free to make good decisions or bad decisions.
Did you not know this? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. Your a tiny island reliant on imports. What happens if the global stage says enough with UK ?
We are. If we aren't resourceful in those circumstances, then things go wrong.
That's why leaving the EU was a bad idea... So who is at fault ?
Whoever voted for Brexit.
That's how democracy works. People are free to make good decisions or bad decisions.
Did you not know this?"
I do so accept your finality until the next election. Like we are told it applies to you too. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
They are running out of gas, it is about allocation industry or the people. Your a tiny island reliant on imports. What happens if the global stage says enough with UK ?
We are. If we aren't resourceful in those circumstances, then things go wrong.
That's why leaving the EU was a bad idea... So who is at fault ?
Whoever voted for Brexit.
That's how democracy works. People are free to make good decisions or bad decisions.
Did you not know this? I do so accept your finality until the next election. Like we are told it applies to you too."
I have no idea what that means. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....
America’s jobs market/ unemployment rate is at 3%… which is actually the lowest it’s been in decades…..
Oh and if the Bank of England are saying that uk interest rates are going to top out at 5.25%.. and it stands at 3% now… uk rates are going to go up like the fed.. probably in sync with the fed!!!
I love the way you copycat Biden and you call stuff the “radical left agenda “
Do you know what right wingers call the radical left… stuff like the NHS!! Paid annual leave and maternity/paternity leave … you know, stuff we take for granted
Unless you are saying you hate the NHS buck!
Is US interest rates higher than UK still?"
Yes… the US interest rate is 3.75 % and inflation is at 8.2%….. so they will probably peak out of this process much quicker than the UK bearing in mind the BOE think the UK are going to be in recession for the next 8 quarters… |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....
America’s jobs market/ unemployment rate is at 3%… which is actually the lowest it’s been in decades…..
Oh and if the Bank of England are saying that uk interest rates are going to top out at 5.25%.. and it stands at 3% now… uk rates are going to go up like the fed.. probably in sync with the fed!!!
I love the way you copycat Biden and you call stuff the “radical left agenda “
Do you know what right wingers call the radical left… stuff like the NHS!! Paid annual leave and maternity/paternity leave … you know, stuff we take for granted
Unless you are saying you hate the NHS buck!
I neither hate nor love the NHS. That would be irrational. It's simply a health service. It's like saying I love the Royal Mail, or hate the DVLA. Either would be unhinged. "
But if you are going to throw around the term radical left, then you ought to know what they are fighting for… things you take for granted and would absolutely kick up shit if it was ever taken away from you!!! |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"So the Telegraph is reporting collapsing industrial activity across the Eurozone.
Eurozone PMI is now at its lowest since the first 2020 lockdown. Germany is worst of all, with its industrial activity deteriorating by the week.
Thank goodness the good folk of the UK had the sense to pull out of this failed EU experiment back in 2016.
Because 8 quarters of recession coming according to the Bank of England is …. Yey!!!
Sometimes I think buck ought to think before writing… but that would be giving him credit for a brain cell!!!
How are things going in the nirvana that is Biden's America today?
Amazon ceasing hiring new corporate employees, Lyft laying off staff, Fed predicting more interest rate hikes.
The impacts of Brexit and Tory incompetence spread far and wide.....
America’s jobs market/ unemployment rate is at 3%… which is actually the lowest it’s been in decades…..
Oh and if the Bank of England are saying that uk interest rates are going to top out at 5.25%.. and it stands at 3% now… uk rates are going to go up like the fed.. probably in sync with the fed!!!
I love the way you copycat Biden and you call stuff the “radical left agenda “
Do you know what right wingers call the radical left… stuff like the NHS!! Paid annual leave and maternity/paternity leave … you know, stuff we take for granted
Unless you are saying you hate the NHS buck!
Is US interest rates higher than UK still?
Yes… the US interest rate is 3.75 % and inflation is at 8.2%….. so they will probably peak out of this process much quicker than the UK bearing in mind the BOE think the UK are going to be in recession for the next 8 quarters… "
Thank you. I did not realise inflation in the U.S. was that high. I hear they are more energy self efficient and not been affected by gas prices as much so thought that was worth more than 2%. Sounds like it's worth keeping an eye on the U.S. if they are further into the process than the UK. Hopefully the 8 quarters of downturn is not guaranteed to happen. |
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