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I suppose we are going to have to open up the Braverman thread again

By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Okay… let’s see if we can do this without the sexiest, racist and misogynist words being thrown about to see if any of it sticks….

So she admits the security thing didn’t happen once…. It’s happened on 6 separate occasions!!!

So…. Should she still have her job?

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

"Okay… let’s see if we can do this without the sexiest, racist and misogynist words being thrown about to see if any of it sticks….

So she admits the security thing didn’t happen once…. It’s happened on 6 separate occasions!!!

So…. Should she still have her job? "

No.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Okay… let’s see if we can do this without the sexiest, racist and misogynist words being thrown about to see if any of it sticks….

So she admits the security thing didn’t happen once…. It’s happened on 6 separate occasions!!!

So…. Should she still have her job? "

No, I doubt she will be Home Secretary much longer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Okay… let’s see if we can do this without the sexiest, racist and misogynist words being thrown about to see if any of it sticks….

So she admits the security thing didn’t happen once…. It’s happened on 6 separate occasions!!!

So…. Should she still have her job?

No."
racist !

Jk. I need to catch up with the news but would have said this with juat one intentional subversion of security.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She never should have been reinstated. She should be booted out ASAP.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

I think it’s too soon for another U turn due to the optics. The Pm is trying to come across as adding some stability to the whole shit show.

Perhaps a strategic reshuffle when the dust has settled.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think it’s too soon for another U turn due to the optics. The Pm is trying to come across as adding some stability to the whole shit show.

Perhaps a strategic reshuffle when the dust has settled. "

But in answer to the Ops actual question. No they should not be in the job.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it’s too soon for another U turn due to the optics. The Pm is trying to come across as adding some stability to the whole shit show.

Perhaps a strategic reshuffle when the dust has settled. "

Sunak has to kick her out. Not kicking her out will only make the story grow as more of the lies come out + more of them have to go on camera to defend the indefensible. We've seen this dance far too many times by now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes."

Um... why should the lying + wildly imcompetent Braverman who is a proven national securiy risk keep her job?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Yes."

always one!

Leaky Sue has to go. Security risk. You cannot have a Home Secretary that MI5 can’t trust!

Then again though, we had a Foreign Secretary who slipped his security detail and partied with ex-KGB folks in an Italian Villa “party” and he went on to be Prime Minister!

Scrub that... Sue Ellen is the next PM!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

always one!

Leaky Sue has to go. Security risk. You cannot have a Home Secretary that MI5 can’t trust!

Then again though, we had a Foreign Secretary who slipped his security detail and partied with ex-KGB folks in an Italian Villa “party” and he went on to be Prime Minister!

Scrub that... Sue Ellen is the next PM!"

How do you know that MI5 don't trust her? Are you privy to some confidential information from them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

always one!

Leaky Sue has to go. Security risk. You cannot have a Home Secretary that MI5 can’t trust!

Then again though, we had a Foreign Secretary who slipped his security detail and partied with ex-KGB folks in an Italian Villa “party” and he went on to be Prime Minister!

Scrub that... Sue Ellen is the next PM!

How do you know that MI5 don't trust her? Are you privy to some confidential information from them?"

Yep. Braverman emailed that info to all of us.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Yes.

always one!

Leaky Sue has to go. Security risk. You cannot have a Home Secretary that MI5 can’t trust!

Then again though, we had a Foreign Secretary who slipped his security detail and partied with ex-KGB folks in an Italian Villa “party” and he went on to be Prime Minister!

Scrub that... Sue Ellen is the next PM!

How do you know that MI5 don't trust her? Are you privy to some confidential information from them?"

MI5 raised concerns about her.

MI6 raised concerns about Johnson.

Nothing happened so as I said. Braverman is our next PM.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently."

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation "

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yes.

always one!

Leaky Sue has to go. Security risk. You cannot have a Home Secretary that MI5 can’t trust!

Then again though, we had a Foreign Secretary who slipped his security detail and partied with ex-KGB folks in an Italian Villa “party” and he went on to be Prime Minister!

Scrub that... Sue Ellen is the next PM!

How do you know that MI5 don't trust her? Are you privy to some confidential information from them?"

We know that MI5 were concerned because she had “previous” in doing this when she was AG, and some in the department of justice ironically leaked it to that communist rag… the daily mail!!!!

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation "

Yvette cooper will absolutely, erm… what the phrase… rip her a new one!!!!

Have I used it right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too."

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her "

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does."

You do live in a v strange alternate reality, don't you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does."

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Braverman should not have this job or any other in Government.

I am still wondering if this really was intentional by Sunak. Getting her support but knowing that her position was untenable.

He will be absent from any opportunity to ask him about his support until she has to leave.

The calculation is that the short-term political damage is worth getting shot of her as she is such a liability.

Maybe.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her "

Because she is a Braverman...not!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman should not have this job or any other in Government.

I am still wondering if this really was intentional by Sunak. Getting her support but knowing that her position was untenable.

He will be absent from any opportunity to ask him about his support until she has to leave.

The calculation is that the short-term political damage is worth getting shot of her as she is such a liability.

Maybe."

Maybe. Seems like a heavy hit to take so early if it's deliberate though. Especially in the wake of so many ministers + PMs coming & going lately.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Braverman should not have this job or any other in Government.

I am still wondering if this really was intentional by Sunak. Getting her support but knowing that her position was untenable.

He will be absent from any opportunity to ask him about his support until she has to leave.

The calculation is that the short-term political damage is worth getting shot of her as she is such a liability.

Maybe.

Maybe. Seems like a heavy hit to take so early if it's deliberate though. Especially in the wake of so many ministers + PMs coming & going lately."

More than just her support though. All the far right nutjobs in the party were needed on side. She was their olive branch.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte? "

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu."

And how do you know she eats tofu daily?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Braverman's statement expected @ about 5pm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu."

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy, "

They're dangerously woke! don't you know that?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy, "

There you go, tofu-eaters all.

Braverman was right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy,

There you go, tofu-eaters all.

Braverman was right."

Gosh you certainly are easy to convince of certain things.

So... I have these magic beans & I'm thinking of selling em...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy,

There you go, tofu-eaters all.

Braverman was right."

I don’t really like tofu, i envoy a soy latte though, whatever does this mean?

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy,

There you go, tofu-eaters all.

Braverman was right.

Gosh you certainly are easy to convince of certain things.

So... I have these magic beans & I'm thinking of selling em..."

Fo those beans grow into a beanstalk that will let people finally reach the promised land of Brexit? Will they finally see fields full of unicorns?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy,

There you go, tofu-eaters all.

Braverman was right.

Gosh you certainly are easy to convince of certain things.

So... I have these magic beans & I'm thinking of selling em...

Fo those beans grow into a beanstalk that will let people finally reach the promised land of Brexit? Will they finally see fields full of unicorns?"

Good to see the EU Commission Bot is still in full flow. Until the Russian gas runs out obviously.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Braverman's gonna be making a statement in the Commons today, apparently.

She will apologies, say that she has learnt from her mistakes, and stay in the job until the next cock up / revelation

Fingers crossed we might get another of her mad rants too.

She will blame the tofu eating wokeratti again and then run off before Yvette cooper destroys her

Yvette Cooper isn't going to destroy anyone. She's just got a permanent air of moral indignation about her, probably even when she's ordering her soy latte.

I'm sure the Tories will just be laughing at her. Everyone else does.

Why do you think she drinks a soy latte?

Because it probably complements her daily dose of tofu.

Is there anything wrong with soy and tofu? It is extremely healthy,

There you go, tofu-eaters all.

Braverman was right.

Gosh you certainly are easy to convince of certain things.

So... I have these magic beans & I'm thinking of selling em...

Fo those beans grow into a beanstalk that will let people finally reach the promised land of Brexit? Will they finally see fields full of unicorns?

Good to see the EU Commission Bot is still in full flow. Until the Russian gas runs out obviously."

Eh?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Braverman statement now. Tory benches look v empty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons."

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here."

She ripped braverman apart, delicious

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here."

‘The system is broken’ ‘illegal immigration is out of control’ Braverman today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here."

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maddest bit of it all was Braverman standing there, saying she took responsibility + resigned. Buuuut she's still there since she got the job back...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?"

The Left speaks. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. Next it'll be stopping anyone who disagrees with me from voting. And after that putting them in jail. Same pattern throughout history.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?

The Left speaks. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. Next it'll be stopping anyone who disagrees with me from voting. And after that putting them in jail. Same pattern throughout history."

Am I the left then? Good to know.

I did not call you stupid. But you are ignorant. You could read up on immigration + the Borders bill. I even said where you could read this. You chose not to. You chose continued ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?

The Left speaks. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. Next it'll be stopping anyone who disagrees with me from voting. And after that putting them in jail. Same pattern throughout history."

These days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you’re English .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?

The Left speaks. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. Next it'll be stopping anyone who disagrees with me from voting. And after that putting them in jail. Same pattern throughout history.

Am I the left then? Good to know.

I did not call you stupid. But you are ignorant. You could read up on immigration + the Borders bill. I even said where you could read this. You chose not to. You chose continued ignorance."

I think I posted that to you on another thread. Hang on. I'll look it up again...

To any of the confused & angry, please just read the international resue commitee's info about the UK Nationality & Borders Act. It may well illuminate you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?

The Left speaks. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. Next it'll be stopping anyone who disagrees with me from voting. And after that putting them in jail. Same pattern throughout history.

Am I the left then? Good to know.

I did not call you stupid. But you are ignorant. You could read up on immigration + the Borders bill. I even said where you could read this. You chose not to. You chose continued ignorance."

It is true that one of us is ignorant.

You just lack self-awareness.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

I did recommend somewhere above where you can read up on the issues involved. I see you seem happier to remain ignorant. Why do you enjoy having your ignorance manipulated?

The Left speaks. Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. Next it'll be stopping anyone who disagrees with me from voting. And after that putting them in jail. Same pattern throughout history.

Am I the left then? Good to know.

I did not call you stupid. But you are ignorant. You could read up on immigration + the Borders bill. I even said where you could read this. You chose not to. You chose continued ignorance.

It is true that one of us is ignorant.

You just lack self-awareness."

I do try to question everything. Even myself. Isn't learning fun?

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Yvette cooper certainly didn’t miss… that was forensic! Sue Ellen is certainly dancing around the security and the breaking the ministerial code questions…..

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here."

Yvette Cooper is the Shadow Home Secretary and it is her job to hold the Home Secretary to account, which she appeared to accomplish.

Is ferrying people to the UK Labour policy?

Could you please indicate where you found this information?

Alternatively, could you confirm that you just made this up as you have no data to back any assertions that you make?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yvette cooper certainly didn’t miss… that was forensic! Sue Ellen is certainly dancing around the security and the breaking the ministerial code questions….."

Whilst admitting that the system is broken, illegal immigration is out of control whilst blaming past Home Secretaries,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

Yvette Cooper is the Shadow Home Secretary and it is her job to hold the Home Secretary to account, which she appeared to accomplish.

Is ferrying people to the UK Labour policy?

Could you please indicate where you found this information?

Alternatively, could you confirm that you just made this up as you have no data to back any assertions that you make?"

He read it on a beer mat in Wetherspoons

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

Yvette Cooper is the Shadow Home Secretary and it is her job to hold the Home Secretary to account, which she appeared to accomplish.

Is ferrying people to the UK Labour policy?

Could you please indicate where you found this information?

Alternatively, could you confirm that you just made this up as you have no data to back any assertions that you make?

He read it on a beer mat in Wetherspoons "

Oi I used that 1 on another thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cooper tore Braverman to bloody ribbons.

Cooper is an irrelevant po-faced windbag.

If Labour were the government they'd have a flotilla of boats going to France every day to bring across anyone who fancied living here.

Yvette Cooper is the Shadow Home Secretary and it is her job to hold the Home Secretary to account, which she appeared to accomplish.

Is ferrying people to the UK Labour policy?

Could you please indicate where you found this information?

Alternatively, could you confirm that you just made this up as you have no data to back any assertions that you make?

He read it on a beer mat in Wetherspoons

Oi I used that 1 on another thread

Dam, it’s a good line though

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

'Embattled home secretary Suella Braverman is facing further questions about her judgement after it emerged that her officials demanded a 120-year-old magazine for solicitors remove an opinion piece because they did not like what it said.

They told the Law Society Gazette that the article “should not have been published in the form that it has”.

One added: “I’d really like it taken down and rewritten”, a Freedom of Information (FOI) release shows.

The exchange took place at the same time as Ms Braverman was promising the government would “strengthen” freedom of expression.'

Does she eat tofu?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-law-gazette-opinion-b2214481.html?r=96414

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'Embattled home secretary Suella Braverman is facing further questions about her judgement after it emerged that her officials demanded a 120-year-old magazine for solicitors remove an opinion piece because they did not like what it said.

They told the Law Society Gazette that the article “should not have been published in the form that it has”.

One added: “I’d really like it taken down and rewritten”, a Freedom of Information (FOI) release shows.

The exchange took place at the same time as Ms Braverman was promising the government would “strengthen” freedom of expression.'

Does she eat tofu?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-law-gazette-opinion-b2214481.html?r=96414"

She is such a snowflake

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They told the Law Society Gazette that the article “should not have been published in the form that it has”.

One added: “I’d really like it taken down and rewritten”, a Freedom of Information (FOI) release shows.

The exchange took place at the same time as Ms Braverman was promising the government would “strengthen” freedom of expression.'

Does she eat tofu?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-law-gazette-opinion-b2214481.html?r=96414"

I'd guess she drinks the blood of babies @ midnight.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

They told the Law Society Gazette that the article “should not have been published in the form that it has”.

One added: “I’d really like it taken down and rewritten”, a Freedom of Information (FOI) release shows.

The exchange took place at the same time as Ms Braverman was promising the government would “strengthen” freedom of expression.'

Does she eat tofu?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-law-gazette-opinion-b2214481.html?r=96414

She is such a snowflake "

Wow! I forgot to quote this line:

'The FOI also shows that officials in the AGO asked the journalist a number of times to submit the piece to them in draft form before publication, a move considered unethical by most journalists.'

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

From what I was listening to on the radio box today Priti Patel has an awful lot to answer to as well.

I genuinely can't understand how Braverman is still in a job?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"From what I was listening to on the radio box today Priti Patel has an awful lot to answer to as well.

I genuinely can't understand how Braverman is still in a job?

Just the Tories trying to protect the right wing loon section.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

I don't understand Rishi's thinking in giving her this job back. I hear rumours it was to gain her support in the leadership race but he was clearly far ahead I doubt he needed her support. Or does she have some highly toxic dirt on him and the job is in exchange for her silence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't understand Rishi's thinking in giving her this job back. I hear rumours it was to gain her support in the leadership race but he was clearly far ahead I doubt he needed her support. Or does she have some highly toxic dirt on him and the job is in exchange for her silence"

The implication has been he wasn't just buying her support, as it were. But rather her + the right wing bunch of the party.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

If the right wing of the Parliamentary party voted for BoJo and it did go over the 100, it would have gone to the party members and he would have won. She represents (for some reason) that side of the party. Sunak was guaranteeing all of their support.

I may have over-explained the previous post there

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

This genuinely could not get any more surreal and morbidly hilarious.

Paywall, but the headline is enough:

'Suella Braverman has brought Home Office 'into disrepute', say Priti Patel allies"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/31/suella-braverman-has-brought-home-office-disrepute-multiple/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This genuinely could not get any more surreal and morbidly hilarious.

Paywall, but the headline is enough:

'Suella Braverman has brought Home Office 'into disrepute', say Priti Patel allies"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/31/suella-braverman-has-brought-home-office-disrepute-multiple/"

lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s like a competition between priti patel and suella braverman. Which one can be the most deranged anti immigration Home Secretary who can play up to the Right wing of their party and the papers who support them.

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s like a competition between priti patel and suella braverman. Which one can be the most deranged anti immigration Home Secretary who can play up to the Right wing of their party and the papers who support them.

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile. "

I don't think it's just the "Right wing of their party" and the "papers" (I presume you exclude the left wing papers and broadcast media from your assessment). They are playing up to the vast majority of the population too.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years."

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

The Conservative Government is responsible for what is happening in the channel. They broke the relationship with the EU, they broke the relationship with France, they closed down legal asylum routes and they are grooming and radicalising ordinary people in the country by using words that pander to fear and hatred.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country."

Who says “Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls”? Can you link to an article(s) that demonstrates this? Or is that just your opinion based on what...nothing?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country."

Why would you think that? As usual with these types of topics there are some people who are only able to visualise polar opposites of an argument when the answer is invariably in the middle ground.

The Government needs to have an immigration policy that is fit for purpose - it’s kind of a given and an expectation that any Government would have such a system. Such a system has to be based on international law, and it has to recognise the realities of an ever-changing world. Dreaming up a policy that is based on ideology will simply result in the problems that we are seeing right now.

Think about the “alleged” Albanian issue (I say alleged because although it is being reported no-one knows the facts for sure yet). They are only coming across because the infrastructure to enable them to cross is in place. It was not put in place not for them, but for The Afghans, Iraqi’s and others who had their legal asylum routes closed down by this Government in an attempt to stop asylum seekers arriving in the U.K. so they resort to getting here by any means they can. Traffickers then respond to demand and create a business shipping people across the channel and if a few Albanians and others are willing to pay - well - the more the merrier for the traffickers.

As we left the EU, we can no longer return anyone in accordance with the Dublin accord and as our relationship with the EU soured because of Brexit ideology, the French and the EU feel no motivation to help the U.K. resolve a problem that they see as entirely their own making.

The alternative…

Re-open legal asylum routes around the world to reduce the need for channel crossings, the infrastructure will collapse with reduced demand.

Stop focusing on immigration as if it is the number one political priority in the country - it isn’t.

Re-establish normal working relations with the EU and in particular France.

Adopt a robust but fair immigration policy that recognises our international obligations, but also spells out exactly a defined policy on border rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country.

Why would you think that? As usual with these types of topics there are some people who are only able to visualise polar opposites of an argument when the answer is invariably in the middle ground.

The alternative…

Re-open legal asylum routes around the world to reduce the need for channel crossings, the infrastructure will collapse with reduced demand.

Stop focusing on immigration as if it is the number one political priority in the country - it isn’t.

Re-establish normal working relations with the EU and in particular France.

Adopt a robust but fair immigration policy that recognises our international obligations, but also spells out exactly a defined policy on border rules.

That is an awful lot of words to effectively say that you think anyone who wants to come to the UK should be allowed in. Just admit it, it's a valid position to take.

And it is the reality of all historic and current immigration policy, no matter what the politicians say. No need to be embarrassed by it.

And Albanians now control the marijuana trade in the UK, that's why they are coming over. It's not a few "chancers" as you so desperately want to be the case.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile. "

Neither of course are anti ‘immigration’. Why would they be?

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Surely the most important question is which play on words will most successfully trigger right wing supporters...

Cruella Braverman

Suella DeVile

Sue Ellen

We can them use that in sentences referring to the Faily Heil / Daily Heil / Daily Fail as that annoys them too!

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country.

Why would you think that? As usual with these types of topics there are some people who are only able to visualise polar opposites of an argument when the answer is invariably in the middle ground.

The alternative…

Re-open legal asylum routes around the world to reduce the need for channel crossings, the infrastructure will collapse with reduced demand.

Stop focusing on immigration as if it is the number one political priority in the country - it isn’t.

Re-establish normal working relations with the EU and in particular France.

Adopt a robust but fair immigration policy that recognises our international obligations, but also spells out exactly a defined policy on border rules.

That is an awful lot of words to effectively say that you think anyone who wants to come to the UK should be allowed in. Just admit it, it's a valid position to take.

And it is the reality of all historic and current immigration policy, no matter what the politicians say. No need to be embarrassed by it.

And Albanians now control the marijuana trade in the UK, that's why they are coming over. It's not a few "chancers" as you so desperately want to be the case."

An estimated 40,000 migrants have crossed the channel this year and the overwhelming majority are not Albanian.

Its perfectly normal for a country to have an immigration policy - all nations have one. It can't be a childlike version of - close the doors and keep all foreigners out.

If Albanians are crossing and they have no right to be here then there is absolutely nothing at all stopping the UK Government from deporting them back to Albania.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

Neither of course are anti ‘immigration’. Why would they be? "

They probably aren’t, but they are pretending to be to appease their racist right wing supporters

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country.

Why would you think that? As usual with these types of topics there are some people who are only able to visualise polar opposites of an argument when the answer is invariably in the middle ground.

The alternative…

Re-open legal asylum routes around the world to reduce the need for channel crossings, the infrastructure will collapse with reduced demand.

Stop focusing on immigration as if it is the number one political priority in the country - it isn’t.

Re-establish normal working relations with the EU and in particular France.

Adopt a robust but fair immigration policy that recognises our international obligations, but also spells out exactly a defined policy on border rules.

That is an awful lot of words to effectively say that you think anyone who wants to come to the UK should be allowed in. Just admit it, it's a valid position to take.

And it is the reality of all historic and current immigration policy, no matter what the politicians say. No need to be embarrassed by it.

And Albanians now control the marijuana trade in the UK, that's why they are coming over. It's not a few "chancers" as you so desperately want to be the case."
Do you really believe that Seb? I didn't take that away at all, and your response feels akin to saying anyone who wants stricter control on immigration wants zero immigration or is anti immigration.

The last sentence of the post is something I'd imagine many people can stand behind. We may have differences in definitions of what the policy is or the rules. But we would benefit from that discussion.

I do find it interesting that this is all coached in "immigration". It's not. It's about our policy on asylum seekers and helping others.

Immigration is a bigger question that covers a lot lot more. And is a lot more complex. Imo the Tories know this, and so will use refugees to distract from the harder questions. After all taking back control was about FoM and the live (big immigration) not refugees.

Ps sounds like legalising would help with the "crisis". I can only imagine .asking it class A would drive it furher underground and therefore increase the Algerian presence.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

Neither of course are anti ‘immigration’. Why would they be?

They probably aren’t, but they are pretending to be to appease their racist right wing supporters "

I guess that to rabid loony left wingers , racist right wingers are to blame for everything. And probably vice versa. Both sectors would score high on the ‘knobometer’

Both are best avoided as they seem incapable of normal balanced debate. Their dogma overrules any reason.

Thankfully, 99.9% of the population are in neither camp. Normal people are well balanced, honest, fair, compassionate, helpful to others, engaging, with a real sense of social justice. They are also able to see through and dismiss silly rhetoric. A real ‘feel for right & wrong, and a good bullshit detector. People that are not taken in by nonsense and do not need to be influenced by any newspaper. People much like myself. Let’s hear it for the majority of good people.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

But I think Braverman wins it by a country mile.

It's just pathetic that the situation in Kent is so out of hand. We can't even control our own borders let alone controlling Ukraine's borders or what the climate's going to be in a hundred years.

There has been a Conservative Government in office for 12 years and the migrant situation did not happen overnight.

Sure, anyone who thinks there should be control of our borders has just been "groomed and radicalised". People who want to let anybody in no matter their provenance are reasonable and rational.

Labour and its supporters just want open borders with no controls. Time to be honest with the country.

Why would you think that? As usual with these types of topics there are some people who are only able to visualise polar opposites of an argument when the answer is invariably in the middle ground.

The alternative…

Re-open legal asylum routes around the world to reduce the need for channel crossings, the infrastructure will collapse with reduced demand.

Stop focusing on immigration as if it is the number one political priority in the country - it isn’t.

Re-establish normal working relations with the EU and in particular France.

Adopt a robust but fair immigration policy that recognises our international obligations, but also spells out exactly a defined policy on border rules.

That is an awful lot of words to effectively say that you think anyone who wants to come to the UK should be allowed in. Just admit it, it's a valid position to take.

And it is the reality of all historic and current immigration policy, no matter what the politicians say. No need to be embarrassed by it.

And Albanians now control the marijuana trade in the UK, that's why they are coming over. It's not a few "chancers" as you so desperately want to be the case. Do you really believe that Seb? I didn't take that away at all, and your response feels akin to saying anyone who wants stricter control on immigration wants zero immigration or is anti immigration.

I do find it interesting that this is all coached in "immigration". It's not. It's about our policy on asylum seekers and helping others.

Ps sounds like legalising would help with the "crisis". I can only imagine .asking it class A would drive it furher underground and therefore increase the Algerian presence. "

Are you asking me as you think I posted as above your comment?