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"Cunt throwing petrol bombs at the immigration centre, what the hell have things come to." And then killing himself, it sounds like he has me take health issues, tragic for all those concerned | |||
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"Cunt throwing petrol bombs at the immigration centre, what the hell have things come to. And then killing himself, it sounds like he has me take health issues, tragic for all those concerned " Mental health  | |||
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"Hope he didn't set fire to himself, not a good way to go. There's pictures of a car with its reads area covered up." worse. 
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"Feels a lot like the end result of a lot of hatred + hysteria being whipped up by certain media..." It must be bad, even a Tory MP has criticised the conditions that these poor people are having to endure | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France." What is wrong with living in the UK? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France." That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? " Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians." That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident?" But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone)." What are you even talking about? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? " There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). What are you even talking about? " This is all on Macron. He needs to stop dumping asylum seekers on other countries. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics." Maybe you should emigrate? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). What are you even talking about? This is all on Macron. He needs to stop dumping asylum seekers on other countries." It's nothing to do with certain media whipping up fear/anger/hatred? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics." The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). What are you even talking about? This is all on Macron. He needs to stop dumping asylum seekers on other countries." Is he sending them to the UK? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate?" That is the ultimate goal. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal." Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal." Where to? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? " That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed." How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant " Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Where to?" Not decided. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others!" All it does is add cost for no benefit. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed." Ah, which country are you hoping to move to which will allow you to rewire your own house? Do you think you should be allowed to do any DIY jobs at home? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit." Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. Ah, which country are you hoping to move to which will allow you to rewire your own house? Do you think you should be allowed to do any DIY jobs at home? " Unfortunately not many countries allow you to do your own stuff. You should be allowed to do any jobs as diy provided you follow the relevant guidance. Possibly gas work should be left to the professionals as it has potential to be disastrous if done incorrectly and reqires some skill to solder joints properly. Electrical work is less skilled for stuff encountered in domestic settings. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh?" Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work?" Yep who cares about those deaths? And who cares about the deaths of their neighbours if the fire spreads, eh? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. Ah, which country are you hoping to move to which will allow you to rewire your own house? Do you think you should be allowed to do any DIY jobs at home? Unfortunately not many countries allow you to do your own stuff. You should be allowed to do any jobs as diy provided you follow the relevant guidance. Possibly gas work should be left to the professionals as it has potential to be disastrous if done incorrectly and reqires some skill to solder joints properly. Electrical work is less skilled for stuff encountered in domestic settings." I have renovated several houses and I honestly think that electrical work can be very dangerous , especially when completed by an amateur who has watched a YouTube video and thinks he has done everything correctly . Do you think the uk should scrap building regs ? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work?" Do you have a family? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? Do you have a family? " After the fire at the last house he rewired, he's solo. So it's all good now. There's no risk to any1 else  | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. Ah, which country are you hoping to move to which will allow you to rewire your own house? Do you think you should be allowed to do any DIY jobs at home? Unfortunately not many countries allow you to do your own stuff. You should be allowed to do any jobs as diy provided you follow the relevant guidance. Possibly gas work should be left to the professionals as it has potential to be disastrous if done incorrectly and reqires some skill to solder joints properly. Electrical work is less skilled for stuff encountered in domestic settings. I have renovated several houses and I honestly think that electrical work can be very dangerous , especially when completed by an amateur who has watched a YouTube video and thinks he has done everything correctly . Do you think the uk should scrap building regs ? " The UK shouldn't scrap building regs or wiring regs etc. The point is that competent diy should be allowed provided the regulations are followed. YouTube is a bad information source. Of you do something, get the official documentation, read it, understand it and follow it carefully and methodically. For electrics, there are very clear rules about how to do them. Everything from system design, loading, cable sizing, cable routing / positioning, earthing, isolation etc. is covered in detail. Follow the guidance then the testing at the end shows whether you have made a mistake snagging a cable or not properly tightening a connection. No reason it can't be done on a diy basis. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. Ah, which country are you hoping to move to which will allow you to rewire your own house? Do you think you should be allowed to do any DIY jobs at home? Unfortunately not many countries allow you to do your own stuff. You should be allowed to do any jobs as diy provided you follow the relevant guidance. Possibly gas work should be left to the professionals as it has potential to be disastrous if done incorrectly and reqires some skill to solder joints properly. Electrical work is less skilled for stuff encountered in domestic settings. I have renovated several houses and I honestly think that electrical work can be very dangerous , especially when completed by an amateur who has watched a YouTube video and thinks he has done everything correctly . Do you think the uk should scrap building regs ? The UK shouldn't scrap building regs or wiring regs etc. The point is that competent diy should be allowed provided the regulations are followed. YouTube is a bad information source. Of you do something, get the official documentation, read it, understand it and follow it carefully and methodically. For electrics, there are very clear rules about how to do them. Everything from system design, loading, cable sizing, cable routing / positioning, earthing, isolation etc. is covered in detail. Follow the guidance then the testing at the end shows whether you have made a mistake snagging a cable or not properly tightening a connection. No reason it can't be done on a diy basis." I see, I guess that’s fine as long it’s all been checked by a professional before it’s signed off | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? Do you have a family? " Yes, but I am allowed to service my own vehicles - including replacing brakes etc. More chance of killing them doing that than doing a bit of electrical work in the house. In fact I am allowed to mess with the base vehicle plus the electrics and gas systems in my motorhome provided I don't rent it out. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? Do you have a family? Yes, but I am allowed to service my own vehicles - including replacing brakes etc. More chance of killing them doing that than doing a bit of electrical work in the house. In fact I am allowed to mess with the base vehicle plus the electrics and gas systems in my motorhome provided I don't rent it out." Your vehicle is subject to an MOT every year, your electrical rewiring isn’t | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work?" So what about the people who buy your house when you emigrate? What guarantee will they have for the electrical work you undertook? If it turns out to be a bodge job, what recourse will they have with you? That aside, I hear planning regulations in Albania are pretty relaxed. There must be plenty of space as according to some, all the Albanians are coming over here. It also has a nice Mediterranean climate. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? So what about the people who buy your house when you emigrate? What guarantee will they have for the electrical work you undertook? If it turns out to be a bodge job, what recourse will they have with you? That aside, I hear planning regulations in Albania are pretty relaxed. There must be plenty of space as according to some, all the Albanians are coming over here. It also has a nice Mediterranean climate. " As I said, all the electrics have been tested and I have all the appropriate certificates. That is better than when we bought the house. It had the original 1950s rubber coated wiring, some where the insulation had fallen off so it was shorting out in the walls behind light fittings. That wiring may have been professionally installed but there was no guarantee, and it was extremely dangerous. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? Do you have a family? Yes, but I am allowed to service my own vehicles - including replacing brakes etc. More chance of killing them doing that than doing a bit of electrical work in the house. In fact I am allowed to mess with the base vehicle plus the electrics and gas systems in my motorhome provided I don't rent it out. Your vehicle is subject to an MOT every year, your electrical rewiring isn’t " The motorhome conversion doesn't have to be tested every year. I get it done for peace of mind but it is not mandatory. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? Do you have a family? Yes, but I am allowed to service my own vehicles - including replacing brakes etc. More chance of killing them doing that than doing a bit of electrical work in the house. In fact I am allowed to mess with the base vehicle plus the electrics and gas systems in my motorhome provided I don't rent it out. Your vehicle is subject to an MOT every year, your electrical rewiring isn’t The motorhome conversion doesn't have to be tested every year. I get it done for peace of mind but it is not mandatory." You can’t compare re wiring a motor home with requiring a house, you will struggle to find another county who lets you re sure your own home with our professional help | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? So what about the people who buy your house when you emigrate? What guarantee will they have for the electrical work you undertook? If it turns out to be a bodge job, what recourse will they have with you? That aside, I hear planning regulations in Albania are pretty relaxed. There must be plenty of space as according to some, all the Albanians are coming over here. It also has a nice Mediterranean climate. As I said, all the electrics have been tested and I have all the appropriate certificates. That is better than when we bought the house. It had the original 1950s rubber coated wiring, some where the insulation had fallen off so it was shorting out in the walls behind light fittings. That wiring may have been professionally installed but there was no guarantee, and it was extremely dangerous." So let me get this straight. You, an unqualified electrician (I assume) have rewired your house and then had all of that checked, tested and signed off/certificated by a professional/qualified electrician. Is that right? Normally electrical work comes with a 10yr guarantee. So how will you provide that to the buyers of your home? (I hear you on dodgy 50s wiring but assume you didn’t buy the house less than a decade or even 20/30 years after it was built right? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? Do you have a family? Yes, but I am allowed to service my own vehicles - including replacing brakes etc. More chance of killing them doing that than doing a bit of electrical work in the house. In fact I am allowed to mess with the base vehicle plus the electrics and gas systems in my motorhome provided I don't rent it out. Your vehicle is subject to an MOT every year, your electrical rewiring isn’t The motorhome conversion doesn't have to be tested every year. I get it done for peace of mind but it is not mandatory. You can’t compare re wiring a motor home with requiring a house, you will struggle to find another county who lets you re sure your own home with our professional help " Already said it...Albania! Also Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Much more relaxed with building regs etc. Great climate. | |||
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"So let me get this straight. You, an unqualified electrician (I assume) have rewired your house and then had all of that checked, tested and signed off/certificated by a professional/qualified electrician. Is that right? Normally electrical work comes with a 10yr guarantee. So how will you provide that to the buyers of your home? (I hear you on dodgy 50s wiring but assume you didn’t buy the house less than a decade or even 20/30 years after it was built right?" I rewired the house when we bought it 25 years ago, I tested it at the time. The gripe is that when I extended the house 8 years ago I was not allowed to wire the extension without getting a "Part P" certificate from an electrician - none would provide that service as they wanted the work to wire the extension. As a byproduct of the new part needing to be wired professionally the stuff I put in 25 years ago was also checked and tested (and passed without any problems). On that basis, as I have done several houses, all of which have been tested at some point (usually when we are selling) and none of which have had any problems the rules preventing me from doing DIY electrics without paying an electrician to test and certify them are stupid. As for the 10 year guarantee, it will be longer than that between the installation and selling anyway so even the professionally installed part will be out of guarantee. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue." And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. " You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. " I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. " Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men " Do you honestly believe that? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men Do you honestly believe that?" Which part? The trafficking or the jobs? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men Do you honestly believe that? Which part? The trafficking or the jobs? " The trafficking | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men " What about young women? I think we at least should be equal opportunities suckers and only accept boats if they are a 50/50 mix. It's totally unjust that it's only men who are being put up in nice hotels, and given a weekly allowance, free healthcare, a mobile etc etc. I'm sure this must be in breach of some international human rights and equalities laws or conventions. | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market." A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men What about young women? I think we at least should be equal opportunities suckers and only accept boats if they are a 50/50 mix. It's totally unjust that it's only men who are being put up in nice hotels, and given a weekly allowance, free healthcare, a mobile etc etc. I'm sure this must be in breach of some international human rights and equalities laws or conventions." Nice hotels? I appreciate your concern but there are no breaches of human rights and equalities laws here, | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Maybe they were trafficked and coming against their own free will? Although , We have plenty of jobs available for young men Do you honestly believe that? Which part? The trafficking or the jobs? The trafficking" Yeah I believe that, they are trafficked here by these gangs , | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from?" Many news sources. A cross section: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/small-migrant-boats-bring-10-000-albanian-men-to-uk-6w7crsphx https://news.sky.com/story/exponential-rise-in-albanian-migrants-crossing-the-channel-this-year-mps-told-12730745 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63404485 And many more, depending on which papers you read. | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from?" The Head Of The Border Force was interviewed by an MP select Committee last week I think. 38000 (now 39000) people have entered via the Channel route this year, of which 12000 are Albanian. | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from? The Head Of The Border Force was interviewed by an MP select Committee last week I think. 38000 (now 39000) people have entered via the Channel route this year, of which 12000 are Albanian." How many of the 12,000 are men? And how many have been denied asylum? | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from? Many news sources. A cross section: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/small-migrant-boats-bring-10-000-albanian-men-to-uk-6w7crsphx https://news.sky.com/story/exponential-rise-in-albanian-migrants-crossing-the-channel-this-year-mps-told-12730745 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63404485 And many more, depending on which papers you read." Plenty of jobs for these young men | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. The ‘nanny state’ are stopping you from modifying your house electrics? Are you a qualified electrician? That is the point. Shouldn't need to be to modify my own stuff. I have completely rewired every house we have owned (including this one) before the nanny state changed the rules to say I couldn't do it any more. All done exactly to the regulations in force at the time. When we extended this house I had to pay an electrician to wire it. He also tested the old house (which I had rewired) and it all passed. How dare the nanny state try to stop you from killing yourself & others! All it does is add cost for no benefit. Yeah who cares about those houses that burn down if they're wired wrongly? Who cares about those deaths, eh? Electric work is fairly simple and the wiring regulations have plenty of available easily readable guidance. If you do make a real mess of it maybe it is natural selection at work? So what about the people who buy your house when you emigrate? What guarantee will they have for the electrical work you undertook? If it turns out to be a bodge job, what recourse will they have with you? That aside, I hear planning regulations in Albania are pretty relaxed. There must be plenty of space as according to some, all the Albanians are coming over here. It also has a nice Mediterranean climate. As I said, all the electrics have been tested and I have all the appropriate certificates. That is better than when we bought the house. It had the original 1950s rubber coated wiring, some where the insulation had fallen off so it was shorting out in the walls behind light fittings. That wiring may have been professionally installed but there was no guarantee, and it was extremely dangerous. So let me get this straight. You, an unqualified electrician (I assume) have rewired your house and then had all of that checked, tested and signed off/certificated by a professional/qualified electrician. Is that right? Normally electrical work comes with a 10yr guarantee. So how will you provide that to the buyers of your home? (I hear you on dodgy 50s wiring but assume you didn’t buy the house less than a decade or even 20/30 years after it was built right?" because it's signed off by a registered electrician you then get a certificate to pass on when you sell.did the same thing to mine few yrs ago saved loads quoted 4 to 5 grand cost me 2300 including outside lights and alarm then cost 180 +vat to get it certified | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. " yeah to open a barbers shop and sell candy | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone)." That makes it OK then? We are the 6th richest country in the world and should treat people better. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal." Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). That makes it OK then? We are the 6th richest country in the world and should treat people better. " Can you house a couple? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). That makes it OK then? We are the 6th richest country in the world and should treat people better. Can you house a couple? " I can | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. That's your takeaway from this horrible incident? But surely these people will have experienced far worse? Haven't they fled for their lives to claim asylum here (I mean admittedly from France which I appreciate is a warzone). That makes it OK then? We are the 6th richest country in the world and should treat people better. Can you house a couple? " Why would I? Other than the Ukrainians who is being asked to house these people in there own homes? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. yeah to open a barbers shop and sell candy" I love sweets, and nearly everyone require a haircut | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from? Many news sources. A cross section: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/small-migrant-boats-bring-10-000-albanian-men-to-uk-6w7crsphx https://news.sky.com/story/exponential-rise-in-albanian-migrants-crossing-the-channel-this-year-mps-told-12730745 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63404485 And many more, depending on which papers you read." Thanks. So those articles all say 10,000 which is still a lot but not 12,000 which is 20% higher! | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. yeah to open a barbers shop and sell candy I love sweets, and nearly everyone require a haircut "don't think you'd buy what there selling and as hair cut I think you look good short back and sides | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. yeah to open a barbers shop and sell candy I love sweets, and nearly everyone require a haircut don't think you'd buy what there selling and as hair cut I think you look good short back and sides"But what if he likes their sweets? + he may want a perm + a dye job. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. yeah to open a barbers shop and sell candy I love sweets, and nearly everyone require a haircut don't think you'd buy what there selling and as hair cut I think you look good short back and sides"I like a short back and sides, and I have a sweet tooth, love nearly all types of candy | |||
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"You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. I suspect that a large proportion of these are for criminal purposes. The cross channel market has been taken over by Albanian gangs and they are probably reinforcing their presence in the UK drugs market. A large proportion of 12,000 is a small army! Where did that 12k figure come from? Many news sources. A cross section: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/small-migrant-boats-bring-10-000-albanian-men-to-uk-6w7crsphx https://news.sky.com/story/exponential-rise-in-albanian-migrants-crossing-the-channel-this-year-mps-told-12730745 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63404485 And many more, depending on which papers you read. Thanks. So those articles all say 10,000 which is still a lot but not 12,000 which is 20% higher!" I must admit I've heard 12000 whenever it's been spoken about on the radio or news. Some reports estimate its 2% of Albania's male population between 18 and 40. It appears they seem to be coming to the UK as part of gangs to commit crime and interestingly there are more Albanian inmates in British prison than any other nationality of than British. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. " Immigrants or illegal immigrants? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. " I certainly hope they do. Legal migration is a good thing. If you want to move somewhere, have skills the destination country wants and apply for the relevant permission. If they grant it, move. Don't try and bypass the process by abusing the asylum system, which was set up for (and should only be for) those in dire need. So we should have taken more of the Afghan interpreters under the asylum system. Albanians and similar should apply through normal channels. So, if we wanted to move to France (for example) we'd apply for the appropriate visa. If we turned up by small boat we'd expect to be arrested and thrown out. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. I certainly hope they do. Legal migration is a good thing. If you want to move somewhere, have skills the destination country wants and apply for the relevant permission. If they grant it, move. Don't try and bypass the process by abusing the asylum system, which was set up for (and should only be for) those in dire need. So we should have taken more of the Afghan interpreters under the asylum system. Albanians and similar should apply through normal channels. So, if we wanted to move to France (for example) we'd apply for the appropriate visa. If we turned up by small boat we'd expect to be arrested and thrown out." Spot on | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. Immigrants or illegal immigrants? " I posted this on another thread since you seem angry & confused over the issue. Here it is again, to help you if you missed it. The Interntional Rescue Committee has a section on the UK Nationality & Borders Act. It could educate + illuminate you. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. Immigrants or illegal immigrants? " If they declare themselves as soon as they arrive on our shores and apply for asylum they are not illegal anymore just so you know | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. I certainly hope they do. Legal migration is a good thing. If you want to move somewhere, have skills the destination country wants and apply for the relevant permission. If they grant it, move. Don't try and bypass the process by abusing the asylum system, which was set up for (and should only be for) those in dire need. So we should have taken more of the Afghan interpreters under the asylum system. Albanians and similar should apply through normal channels. So, if we wanted to move to France (for example) we'd apply for the appropriate visa. If we turned up by small boat we'd expect to be arrested and thrown out." Or you could apply for asylum when you arrived? That is perfectly legal | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. I certainly hope they do. Legal migration is a good thing. If you want to move somewhere, have skills the destination country wants and apply for the relevant permission. If they grant it, move. Don't try and bypass the process by abusing the asylum system, which was set up for (and should only be for) those in dire need. So we should have taken more of the Afghan interpreters under the asylum system. Albanians and similar should apply through normal channels. So, if we wanted to move to France (for example) we'd apply for the appropriate visa. If we turned up by small boat we'd expect to be arrested and thrown out. Or you could apply for asylum when you arrived? That is perfectly legal " You beat me to it. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Let's hope the country you want to migrate to doesn't have the same attitude as you to immigrants. Immigrants or illegal immigrants? " Depends whether there are legal channels. If not then all are illegal clearly! You still haven’t come back on that one have you? ie How does someone in Afghanistan claim asylum in the UK? | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK." Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK." What I don't get is why people did it have a problem with Ukrainians travelling through several safe countries. I get people are annoyed and confused by the Albanians however that seems to cloud the fact the vast majority are fleeing countries at war or where they would be very high risk of persecution | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK." I think the answer is simply to send boats to France and bring across whoever wants to come. And it's time to start a new Residential scheme too along the lines of the one for Ukrainians. Ask people to offer up spare rooms for refugees from France. I'm not sure why this hasn't been done before. Presumably it can only be because Ukrainians are white and the "boat people" are brown. I can see this approach working really well for the government. | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK." Let’s add to that... Why do certain nationalities decide on coming to the UK rather than France? Could it perhaps be any of the following factors: 1. English is their second language 2. The country they are leaving has colonial ties to the UK 3. The country they are leaving has been plunged into was as a result of UK foreign policy or intervention Why is it Algerians tend to want to get into France? Libyans into Italy? Moroccans into Spain? Another question. Due to our colonial past and the fact that much of the riches of this country were built on the extraction of natural resources from those colonies, do we as a country have any moral obligation to people fleeing these ex-colonies? Another question. If the vast majority (think it is as high as 90%) of these “boat people” end up being granted asylum in the end, then that must mean they are genuine so why the outrage over less than 10% gaming the system? | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Let’s add to that... Why do certain nationalities decide on coming to the UK rather than France? Could it perhaps be any of the following factors: 1. English is their second language 2. The country they are leaving has colonial ties to the UK 3. The country they are leaving has been plunged into was as a result of UK foreign policy or intervention Why is it Algerians tend to want to get into France? Libyans into Italy? Moroccans into Spain? Another question. Due to our colonial past and the fact that much of the riches of this country were built on the extraction of natural resources from those colonies, do we as a country have any moral obligation to people fleeing these ex-colonies? Another question. If the vast majority (think it is as high as 90%) of these “boat people” end up being granted asylum in the end, then that must mean they are genuine so why the outrage over less than 10% gaming the system?" Exactly. If for whatever reason we had to leave the uk as it was not safe for us we would go through France into Spain. Reason being my husband has a Spanish mother and Spanish family, He speaks the language fluently and knows the culture. | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Let’s add to that... Why do certain nationalities decide on coming to the UK rather than France? Could it perhaps be any of the following factors: 1. English is their second language 2. The country they are leaving has colonial ties to the UK 3. The country they are leaving has been plunged into was as a result of UK foreign policy or intervention Why is it Algerians tend to want to get into France? Libyans into Italy? Moroccans into Spain? Another question. Due to our colonial past and the fact that much of the riches of this country were built on the extraction of natural resources from those colonies, do we as a country have any moral obligation to people fleeing these ex-colonies? Another question. If the vast majority (think it is as high as 90%) of these “boat people” end up being granted asylum in the end, then that must mean they are genuine so why the outrage over less than 10% gaming the system? Exactly. If for whatever reason we had to leave the uk as it was not safe for us we would go through France into Spain. Reason being my husband has a Spanish mother and Spanish family, He speaks the language fluently and knows the culture. " morality doesn't come into it as for 90% getting asylum I'd really love to no the full credentials of why they are let in that might help some be more sympathetic I suppose. | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Let’s add to that... Why do certain nationalities decide on coming to the UK rather than France? Could it perhaps be any of the following factors: 1. English is their second language 2. The country they are leaving has colonial ties to the UK 3. The country they are leaving has been plunged into was as a result of UK foreign policy or intervention Why is it Algerians tend to want to get into France? Libyans into Italy? Moroccans into Spain? Another question. Due to our colonial past and the fact that much of the riches of this country were built on the extraction of natural resources from those colonies, do we as a country have any moral obligation to people fleeing these ex-colonies? Another question. If the vast majority (think it is as high as 90%) of these “boat people” end up being granted asylum in the end, then that must mean they are genuine so why the outrage over less than 10% gaming the system? Exactly. If for whatever reason we had to leave the uk as it was not safe for us we would go through France into Spain. Reason being my husband has a Spanish mother and Spanish family, He speaks the language fluently and knows the culture. morality doesn't come into it as for 90% getting asylum I'd really love to no the full credentials of why they are let in that might help some be more sympathetic I suppose." If you look at the vast majority and the countries they come from then you will know the reason. The largest number of people that claim asylum in this country every year are Syrians. | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome "They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome
They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist "How do you know this? You seem to speak with a lot of authority on the issue but don't really back it up with anything. | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome
They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist "They are, this country is fucked, and they are choosing us, they should be applauded | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome
They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome
They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist
How do you know this? You seem to speak with a lot of authority on the issue but don't really back it up with anything. "Are you suggesting they risk their lives to cross a continent to come here to help us? | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome
They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist
How do you know this? You seem to speak with a lot of authority on the issue but don't really back it up with anything.
Are you suggesting they risk their lives to cross a continent to come here to help us? "Definitely, they are also helping themselves, but just remember , they choose to come here, | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. " Does anyone on this thread support the, actually illegal, immigration of Albanians to the UK? I do not. That would appear to be a purely criminal activity so they can be removed to Albania on being apprehended. They are not applying for asylum and would be unlikely to be granted it anyway. What relevance does this have to genuine refugees? | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Exactly, they also choose to come here to help rebuild our broken country, they should be given a hero’s welcome
They are not coming here to help. Stop being so antagonist
How do you know this? You seem to speak with a lot of authority on the issue but don't really back it up with anything.
Are you suggesting they risk their lives to cross a continent to come here to help us? "I believe the majority think it will be mutual beneficial. Immigration whether it be economic or people claiming asylum if done properly is brilliant. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. Does anyone on this thread support the, actually illegal, immigration of Albanians to the UK? I do not. That would appear to be a purely criminal activity so they can be removed to Albania on being apprehended. They are not applying for asylum and would be unlikely to be granted it anyway. What relevance does this have to genuine refugees?" No I don't. I also think it is being used by many to say we shouldn't allow anyone in. | |||
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"A riddle for the angry & conused: why do you think people risk desperate & dangerous journeys to get here? I'll give you a hint: it's to do with the lack of safe routes to the UK. Let’s add to that... Why do certain nationalities decide on coming to the UK rather than France? Could it perhaps be any of the following factors: 1. English is their second language 2. The country they are leaving has colonial ties to the UK 3. The country they are leaving has been plunged into was as a result of UK foreign policy or intervention Why is it Algerians tend to want to get into France? Libyans into Italy? Moroccans into Spain? Another question. Due to our colonial past and the fact that much of the riches of this country were built on the extraction of natural resources from those colonies, do we as a country have any moral obligation to people fleeing these ex-colonies? Another question. If the vast majority (think it is as high as 90%) of these “boat people” end up being granted asylum in the end, then that must mean they are genuine so why the outrage over less than 10% gaming the system?" You can add: 4: Family and/or established communities already here As you, I do not understand what relevance those travelling to the UK who are not refugees of any sort should bear upon those who are. They are different categories. Those without a valid reason to apply for asylum can be repatriated immediately. What do people have against genuine refugees? | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. " Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors." Who told you they were all doctors? | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? " He read it on the back of a beer mat. | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? " it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? " They have no need to risk their lives , or in a small minority of cases, the lives of their children. They choose to. | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? " In what way are they "risking their lives"? What percentage of those making the journey die en route? | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? In what way are they "risking their lives"? What percentage of those making the journey die en route?" Look it up. There are accounts of deaths. Or do you choose ignorance again? | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? They have no need to risk their lives , or in a small minority of cases, the lives of their children. They choose to." You've ignored the question. Again 
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? In what way are they "risking their lives"? What percentage of those making the journey die en route?" about 1 in a 1000. Even if these odds are "good enough" it still looks like a horrendous journey. The premise of the question is simple. But I will reword. What would have to happen to you, and what would need to change once in the UK, for you to choose to make that journey? | |||
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"The question we should ask ourselves is what would have to happen in my life which means getting in a dinghy in the middle of the night to cross the channel looks like the best option I have. Im not gonna lie, the opportunity to run a sweet shop isn't enough. Even if it was criminal intentions the difference in pay off between the UK and any other country would need to be huge. Run a sweet shop? I thought they are all doctors. Who told you they were all doctors? it's a lot eaiser to angry at a strawman and so avoid addressing the core question. What would have to happen, and what would need to change once on the UK, for you to risk your life in this way? In what way are they "risking their lives"? What percentage of those making the journey die en route?about 1 in a 1000. Even if these odds are "good enough" it still looks like a horrendous journey. The premise of the question is simple. But I will reword. What would have to happen to you, and what would need to change once in the UK, for you to choose to make that journey? " Russia - the friends of a few Fabbers, dropping a nuke? | |||
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"When I read sone of these threads I just keep imagining “Children of Men” and a fenced off Bexhill full of unwanted immigrants. Maybe only that, or perhaps rebuilding the WWII sea defences, would make some people happy? Just blow the dinghies out of the water, that’ll show ‘em!" that will show them pike | |||
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"Anyyyyyyyyway, turns out the guy lived 100miles away in high Wycombe. A 2 hour drive to come to your senses and think this is a real dumb idea, but the cunt carried on. How on earth can anyone feel so emboldened that throwing petrol bombs at a reception centre is a good thing to do? N.b Those processed from Manston into hotel accommodation aren't being put up in the Marriot but in seaside grotholes that haven't yet been converted into grot housing benefit b&b's" Oh I don't know, there's a hotel near me that used to be a four star big brand hotel with a nice spa, did a nice afternoon tea. That's been turned into an asylum hovel, I guess the new owners thought it was probably more lucrative doing that than having to waste time on weddings and black tie dinners. Far too much work involved. | |||
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"A couple of pointers off the BBC News tonight. Two dinghies of young men that washed up on a beach at Dover, disappeared into the woods on landing. Hardly the actions of genuine asylum seekers. A hotel near Hull, earmarked for housing migrants, had to be taken off the list when locals voraciously complained." Then they aren't genuine asylum seekers. Catch and deport. What's that got to do with those who are? | |||
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"Anyyyyyyyyway, turns out the guy lived 100miles away in high Wycombe. A 2 hour drive to come to your senses and think this is a real dumb idea, but the cunt carried on. How on earth can anyone feel so emboldened that throwing petrol bombs at a reception centre is a good thing to do? N.b Those processed from Manston into hotel accommodation aren't being put up in the Marriot but in seaside grotholes that haven't yet been converted into grot housing benefit b&b's Oh I don't know, there's a hotel near me that used to be a four star big brand hotel with a nice spa, did a nice afternoon tea. That's been turned into an asylum hovel, I guess the new owners thought it was probably more lucrative doing that than having to waste time on weddings and black tie dinners. Far too much work involved." That’s another problem, do you see hotels in chipping Norton being used to house asylum seekers, or any rich tory constituency having detention centres? It’s an absolute joke, these so called tories are happy to block illegal immigration and asylum seekers, but they don’t want to pay the taxes or fund the system to process to actually sort it out properly. In the end, I suspect the tory trick is simple, put these people into deprived areas and places which have overstretched resources, then it causes an upswell in support for the tories who promise they will sort it out, this means people will vote for the tories, who will them throw more asylum seekers/illegal migrants into those areas. And round and round the story goes. The great tory lie, which makes everyone reluctant for real change. | |||
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"A couple of pointers off the BBC News tonight. Two dinghies of young men that washed up on a beach at Dover, disappeared into the woods on landing. Hardly the actions of genuine asylum seekers. A hotel near Hull, earmarked for housing migrants, had to be taken off the list when locals voraciously complained. Then they aren't genuine asylum seekers. Catch and deport. What's that got to do with those who are?" Genuine asylum.seekers will always be welcome in the UK. You now have the problem that the genuine cases have now been swamped by the not genuine cases. That'snow causing a huge bottleneck in the system. One MP is claiming that it takes 550 days on average, to process a child migrant! | |||
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"A couple of pointers off the BBC News tonight. Two dinghies of young men that washed up on a beach at Dover, disappeared into the woods on landing. Hardly the actions of genuine asylum seekers. A hotel near Hull, earmarked for housing migrants, had to be taken off the list when locals voraciously complained. Then they aren't genuine asylum seekers. Catch and deport. What's that got to do with those who are? Genuine asylum.seekers will always be welcome in the UK. You now have the problem that the genuine cases have now been swamped by the not genuine cases. That'snow causing a huge bottleneck in the system. One MP is claiming that it takes 550 days on average, to process a child migrant!" it's hard to tell the non genuine rate as the many that have come recently won't be processed for a long time. The 550 days applies to those arriving early early 2021. As it stands there is little evidence showing there are more false applications. That is different to there being evidence that assertion is wrong I admit. | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer" But we know that happens as it happens in the benefits system too. It's easier to blame those that are playing or cheating the system. | |||
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"A couple of pointers off the BBC News tonight. Two dinghies of young men that washed up on a beach at Dover, disappeared into the woods on landing. Hardly the actions of genuine asylum seekers. A hotel near Hull, earmarked for housing migrants, had to be taken off the list when locals voraciously complained. Then they aren't genuine asylum seekers. Catch and deport. What's that got to do with those who are? Genuine asylum.seekers will always be welcome in the UK. You now have the problem that the genuine cases have now been swamped by the not genuine cases. That'snow causing a huge bottleneck in the system. One MP is claiming that it takes 550 days on average, to process a child migrant!" If the reports are correct, most of the Albanians forming the bulk of the current influx aren't claiming asylum, so your assumption may not be true. It almost feels like a crisis is being created... | |||
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"A couple of pointers off the BBC News tonight. Two dinghies of young men that washed up on a beach at Dover, disappeared into the woods on landing. Hardly the actions of genuine asylum seekers. A hotel near Hull, earmarked for housing migrants, had to be taken off the list when locals voraciously complained. Then they aren't genuine asylum seekers. Catch and deport. What's that got to do with those who are? Genuine asylum.seekers will always be welcome in the UK. You now have the problem that the genuine cases have now been swamped by the not genuine cases. That'snow causing a huge bottleneck in the system. One MP is claiming that it takes 550 days on average, to process a child migrant! If the reports are correct, most of the Albanians forming the bulk of the current influx aren't claiming asylum, so your assumption may not be true. It almost feels like a crisis is being created..." TBF whether all the Albanians are claiming or not, we are still seeing very high levels of application versus the last few years. However this issue has been building. Case loads have doubled since 2014 and in Sept 2020 the system was under huge strain. So there is a crisis. However it's not being caused by the extra influx. That's a useful scapegoat. See also: COVID and Russia. | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer" Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem..." it may not be from lack of tying ... They keep missing their targets. And their turnover is nuts. Okay, maybe it is lack of trying as they should be paying them more. But I agree they are trying to deflect from the headlines (fun fact: as I understand it some of that hotel spend is from our foreign aid budget. ) | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem..." Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. | |||
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"Back on to the original topic... Counter terrorism police have taken on the investigation. Appears to be a hate filled grievance from aoemone who posts anti Muslim sentiments on FB. The bar for terrorism may not have been met tho. " Has he been radicalised? | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. " So nothing to do with criminal gangs facilitating people to enter the UK by illegal means then? Something that has been going on for decades? | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. So nothing to do with criminal gangs facilitating people to enter the UK by illegal means then? Something that has been going on for decades? " If that's the reason then this government has had over a decade to do something about it. Has it succeeded? Will doing more of the same make it work? | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. So nothing to do with criminal gangs facilitating people to enter the UK by illegal means then? Something that has been going on for decades? " Gangs are either faciliting asylum seekers. Which suggests the "legal" routes are next to non existent. Or they are facilitating this who won't be claiming asylum when they arrive. In which case they arent part of the above problem. The grey area is those planning to remain illegally, get caught, then claim asylum. If there were large numbers of these the rejection rate would be high. It isn't. Have I missed a group that is breaking the system ? | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. So nothing to do with criminal gangs facilitating people to enter the UK by illegal means then? Something that has been going on for decades? Gangs are either faciliting asylum seekers. Which suggests the "legal" routes are next to non existent. Or they are facilitating this who won't be claiming asylum when they arrive. In which case they arent part of the above problem. The grey area is those planning to remain illegally, get caught, then claim asylum. If there were large numbers of these the rejection rate would be high. It isn't. Have I missed a group that is breaking the system ? " People that are falsely claiming asylum? | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. So nothing to do with criminal gangs facilitating people to enter the UK by illegal means then? Something that has been going on for decades? Gangs are either faciliting asylum seekers. Which suggests the "legal" routes are next to non existent. Or they are facilitating this who won't be claiming asylum when they arrive. In which case they arent part of the above problem. The grey area is those planning to remain illegally, get caught, then claim asylum. If there were large numbers of these the rejection rate would be high. It isn't. Have I missed a group that is breaking the system ? People that are falsely claiming asylum? " isnt that group three? Or is this the "claiming it falsely but still getting it group"? | |||
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"Talking of gangs, apparently most Albanian asylum seekers granted UK visas are trafficked women." TBF the maths on this may not be great. 12k applications of which 10k are men. Process all the women and 2k of the men which look the most feasible. Accept all the women and 350 men. 85pc of cases approved are women. And 60pc approvals overall. Even tho men approvals were under 20pc. And still 8k to be looked at. | |||
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"Talking of gangs, apparently most Albanian asylum seekers granted UK visas are trafficked women.TBF the maths on this may not be great. 12k applications of which 10k are men. Process all the women and 2k of the men which look the most feasible. Accept all the women and 350 men. 85pc of cases approved are women. And 60pc approvals overall. Even tho men approvals were under 20pc. And still 8k to be looked at. " Ah | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. " No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . " Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. | |||
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"The cynic in me thinks this event might be used as an excuse to tighten/change or withdraw from laws. Those that cheat the system will end up making genuine people suffer Sadly, I agree. I think that an artificial crisis is being created so that you can have statistics like £5m a day for hotels when one day spent on more staff to process them would fix the problem... Of course it’s an artificial crisis, it’s deflection from the bigger problem, a lack of competence in the government. The tories always go to the hit list, to drum up support for their flaccid regime. Let’s blame everyone else for our incompetence. Only incompetent people blame others, instead of taking ownership of the problem. Which year after year this walking disaster of a government had done. So nothing to do with criminal gangs facilitating people to enter the UK by illegal means then? Something that has been going on for decades? Gangs are either faciliting asylum seekers. Which suggests the "legal" routes are next to non existent. Or they are facilitating this who won't be claiming asylum when they arrive. In which case they arent part of the above problem. The grey area is those planning to remain illegally, get caught, then claim asylum. If there were large numbers of these the rejection rate would be high. It isn't. Have I missed a group that is breaking the system ? People that are falsely claiming asylum? " That would appear to be about 15% of those applying, it would seem. Apparently most of the Albanians do not even seek to claim asylum. If it's only those falsely claiming asylum then that is a small number of people and nobody disagrees with sending them back. Why dehumanise the genuine refugees then? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English." Who's said that? Why the pathetic fallacy? | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English." Some maybe are but if none are look up how many vacancies there are in hospitality. Not sure you need to be fluent in any language to make a bed or understand how to care for someone in a care home. Oh and as English is the international language they’ve probably got a basic vocabulary. They only have a complete blank when caught speeding | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. Some maybe are but if none are look up how many vacancies there are in hospitality. Not sure you need to be fluent in any language to make a bed or understand how to care for someone in a care home. Oh and as English is the international language they’ve probably got a basic vocabulary. They only have a complete blank when caught speeding "Yes I'm sure if I was 95 and living in a care home I'd love to explain my medical problems to someone who can't speak English. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. Who's said that? Why the pathetic fallacy?" Don't you worry about all these single use dinghies destroying the planet? Doesn't seem very environmentally friendly. Shouldn't they swim across instead? I think my employer is looking for an accountant or two at the moment. I'm sure we could train some of these lads up in a few hours. I mean how hard a job can it be. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. Who's said that? Why the pathetic fallacy? Don't you worry about all these single use dinghies destroying the planet? Doesn't seem very environmentally friendly. Shouldn't they swim across instead? I think my employer is looking for an accountant or two at the moment. I'm sure we could train some of these lads up in a few hours. I mean how hard a job can it be." With Sage accounting apparently not so difficult  | |||
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"Cunt throwing petrol bombs at the immigration centre, what the hell have things come to. And then killing himself, it sounds like he has me take health issues, tragic for all those concerned Mental health "It looks like he was a ring wing racist , such a shame that people get radicalised in this way  | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. Who's said that? Why the pathetic fallacy? Don't you worry about all these single use dinghies destroying the planet? Doesn't seem very environmentally friendly. Shouldn't they swim across instead? I think my employer is looking for an accountant or two at the moment. I'm sure we could train some of these lads up in a few hours. I mean how hard a job can it be." Nah let’s be serious for a moment. We have huge need for agricultural workers and warehouse workers. Hard work but low pay so Brits don’t want the jobs. Hmmm what to do...? | |||
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"Cunt throwing petrol bombs at the immigration centre, what the hell have things come to. And then killing himself, it sounds like he has me take health issues, tragic for all those concerned Mental health
It looks like he was a ring wing racist , such a shame that people get radicalised in this way "Be interesting to see how this pans out. Often when someone is radicalised by the far right, when they commit an atrocity they are labelled a loner, a social misfit with mental health problems. It’s rarely that they are just an evil bastard. Everyone else are labelled terrorists. For avoidance of doubt, they are all evil bastards. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. Some maybe are but if none are look up how many vacancies there are in hospitality. Not sure you need to be fluent in any language to make a bed or understand how to care for someone in a care home. Oh and as English is the international language they’ve probably got a basic vocabulary. They only have a complete blank when caught speeding
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. " How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? | |||
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"It would seem this chap followed the narrative being spun of "illegal" immigrants being blamed for all of societies ills. "Taking" things from British people. They have taken the place of the EU as the national bogeyman. Clearly he was mentally ill. All terrorism is surely a form of mental illness. Motivated by irrational fear and anger. The rhetoric demonstrated again and again on these threads normalises the attitude and dehumanisation of irregular immigrants that creates the background for these attitudes. Queue the outrage." Too true. It is usually the case that any form of Islamic terrorism is nowadays covered as "mental health issues". Nothing to see here. Move along. | |||
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"There is an interesting article on the BBC today discussing why it takes so long to process asylum claims. Service targets have been removed, and staff have to fight "unmanageable" computer systems and "massive spreadsheets" resulting in the simplest of tasks taking a long time. If true (and it has a ring of truth about it) then it reinforces my view expressed across multiple threads that Civil and Public Servants are incompetent. Dealing with this type of data is not a job for a spreadsheet. The people who set the system up, and more importantly allowed it to carry on, should be sacked." That’s it, let’s blame ourselves and the systems. Nothing to do with an invasion of uninvited foreigners assisted by organised gangs then? Many I assume cannot or will not speak English. They are not easily identified. We know they will say what they have been briefed on to enhance their case. We know that they are mainly young males. Many are not as young as they claim of course as they lie about their age to gain advantage as a ‘minor’. To the extent that you have men in their 20’s sitting alongside 15 & 16 year old girls in school. Many then get fed up with this and clear off to wherever. The recent story ‘200 children go missing from refugee hostels / hotels - that should be a concern? How terrible - bullshit! It should be a national security concern as it’s 200 people of who we know nothing disappeared. They are taking advantage of our hospitality, good nature and well known British values. So, let’s help them and totally clear this backlog. Great, what then? Will that be the end of it or will it encourage hundreds of thousands of more to try their luck? Remember, people coming from the French coast illegally has been going on for at least 25 years, it’s just the method that has changed. | |||
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"It's unfortunate that they have been badly misled about life in the UK compared to life in France. Maybe they will now understand that their decision to move to the UK was an error, and return to France. What is wrong with living in the UK? Over populated, polluted, property prices too high, too much traffic congestion, too many stupid rules, too politically correct, incompetent politicians. That bad? Which rules do you think are the most ‘stupid’ ? There are too many to list. From an overly complicated tax system (including IR35), through minimum qualification rules for basic jobs to the nanny state dictating what I can or can't modify in my house electrics. Maybe you should emigrate? That is the ultimate goal. Fair enough, so your hoping to become an immigrant Yes, but a legal one. There is no problem with migration, in fact it is necessary. The problem is when tens of thousands of people game the system to jump the queue. And there’s the rub!!! There is no provision for the start of a queue in France or any country en route . So they find their own way here. If there was a system the smugglers would be out of business. We need workers remember. When the asylum seekers or economic migrants arrive our system is in such a shambles we create a queue which results in overcrowded inhumane accommodation. 12 years of making it look like a problem when instead of dealing with immigration in a mature grown up manner this government have created a shambles which is now a bigger problem than ever. I feel sad for the guy and his family but it will be interesting if his motivation was encouraged by SueEllen and her right wing rabid backers both in the media and ERG. You make the assumption that, if they were turned down legally, then they wouldn't come illegally. Albania is more or less a safe country. It aspires to join the EU. 12000 Albanians, mostly young men, have made the journey to the UK this year. It can only be largely for economic reasons. No I don’t make any assumption at all. Those are your words. Over 90% of asylum seekers and economic immigrants are granted leave to stay. Most of those rejected arrive by plane from India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. When you look up how many vacancies we have now pushing 2m and then compare 12000 to the 500k total number of immigrants the number of Albanians is insignificant. . If you then assume 90 % are allowed to stay, so taking out the smugglers boat routes, I can’t see the smugglers being too keen on running 20 Albanians a week. The smugglers would move on to other more profitable crime. Problem solved. It would also be easier to manage for boarder force. The whole drama from government about immigration is a dead cat distraction away from the fact people are struggling to pay their bills and are worse off year on year due to incompetent government. It’s a problem that can be addressed for maximum £20m a year by opening some European located processing centres. Compare that to £120m for the first payment to Rwanda and the ridiculous hotel bills being paid for in the U.K. There are over 100k immigrants waiting in the backlog caused by government failure. The cost is an obscene waste of money. Especially when we know over 90k of them will be allowed to stay and work. Get them processed and working. That would be the sensible grown up resolution but you can’t stir up hysteria and cause a distraction if you take the sensible approach. . Should be easy to find them work, given that they are all doctors with fluent English. Some maybe are but if none are look up how many vacancies there are in hospitality. Not sure you need to be fluent in any language to make a bed or understand how to care for someone in a care home. Oh and as English is the international language they’ve probably got a basic vocabulary. They only have a complete blank when caught speeding
Yes I'm sure if I was 95 and living in a care home I'd love to explain my medical problems to someone who can't speak English. "Well if you’d had any experience of what happens in a care home you’d know you’re talking bollocks. The resident nurse or medical specialist or indeed a visiting doctor discuss care . The rest feed clean and generally look after residents. | |||
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"There is an interesting article on the BBC today discussing why it takes so long to process asylum claims. Service targets have been removed, and staff have to fight "unmanageable" computer systems and "massive spreadsheets" resulting in the simplest of tasks taking a long time. If true (and it has a ring of truth about it) then it reinforces my view expressed across multiple threads that Civil and Public Servants are incompetent. Dealing with this type of data is not a job for a spreadsheet. The people who set the system up, and more importantly allowed it to carry on, should be sacked. That’s it, let’s blame ourselves and the systems. Nothing to do with an invasion of uninvited foreigners assisted by organised gangs then? Many I assume cannot or will not speak English. They are not easily identified. We know they will say what they have been briefed on to enhance their case. We know that they are mainly young males. Many are not as young as they claim of course as they lie about their age to gain advantage as a ‘minor’. To the extent that you have men in their 20’s sitting alongside 15 & 16 year old girls in school. Many then get fed up with this and clear off to wherever. The recent story ‘200 children go missing from refugee hostels / hotels - that should be a concern? How terrible - bullshit! It should be a national security concern as it’s 200 people of who we know nothing disappeared. They are taking advantage of our hospitality, good nature and well known British values. So, let’s help them and totally clear this backlog. Great, what then? Will that be the end of it or will it encourage hundreds of thousands of more to try their luck? Remember, people coming from the French coast illegally has been going on for at least 25 years, it’s just the method that has changed." As you will probably remember, I have little time for the ones who game the system (which is probably most of them). However, we should be able to process them quickly so we can deport them. The issues in the article above, along with a lack of will in the Civil Service to believe that most of the illegal immigrants are economic migrants has led to the current situation. The PCS union joining legal action against the government says it all really. Their members are employed to do the government's bidding not bleat about it. | |||
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"There is an interesting article on the BBC today discussing why it takes so long to process asylum claims. Service targets have been removed, and staff have to fight "unmanageable" computer systems and "massive spreadsheets" resulting in the simplest of tasks taking a long time. If true (and it has a ring of truth about it) then it reinforces my view expressed across multiple threads that Civil and Public Servants are incompetent. Dealing with this type of data is not a job for a spreadsheet. The people who set the system up, and more importantly allowed it to carry on, should be sacked. That’s it, let’s blame ourselves and the systems. Nothing to do with an invasion of uninvited foreigners assisted by organised gangs then? Many I assume cannot or will not speak English. They are not easily identified. We know they will say what they have been briefed on to enhance their case. We know that they are mainly young males. Many are not as young as they claim of course as they lie about their age to gain advantage as a ‘minor’. To the extent that you have men in their 20’s sitting alongside 15 & 16 year old girls in school. Many then get fed up with this and clear off to wherever. The recent story ‘200 children go missing from refugee hostels / hotels - that should be a concern? How terrible - bullshit! It should be a national security concern as it’s 200 people of who we know nothing disappeared. They are taking advantage of our hospitality, good nature and well known British values. So, let’s help them and totally clear this backlog. Great, what then? Will that be the end of it or will it encourage hundreds of thousands of more to try their luck? Remember, people coming from the French coast illegally has been going on for at least 25 years, it’s just the method that has changed. As you will probably remember, I have little time for the ones who game the system (which is probably most of them). However, we should be able to process them quickly so we can deport them. The issues in the article above, along with a lack of will in the Civil Service to believe that most of the illegal immigrants are economic migrants has led to the current situation. The PCS union joining legal action against the government says it all really. Their members are employed to do the government's bidding not bleat about it." Deporting them seems to be the problem. Have we deported any? I shudder to think what the legal costs, and indeed the translation costs are ? | |||
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"There is an interesting article on the BBC today discussing why it takes so long to process asylum claims. Service targets have been removed, and staff have to fight "unmanageable" computer systems and "massive spreadsheets" resulting in the simplest of tasks taking a long time. If true (and it has a ring of truth about it) then it reinforces my view expressed across multiple threads that Civil and Public Servants are incompetent. Dealing with this type of data is not a job for a spreadsheet. The people who set the system up, and more importantly allowed it to carry on, should be sacked. That’s it, let’s blame ourselves and the systems. Nothing to do with an invasion of uninvited foreigners assisted by organised gangs then? Many I assume cannot or will not speak English. They are not easily identified. We know they will say what they have been briefed on to enhance their case. We know that they are mainly young males. Many are not as young as they claim of course as they lie about their age to gain advantage as a ‘minor’. To the extent that you have men in their 20’s sitting alongside 15 & 16 year old girls in school. Many then get fed up with this and clear off to wherever. The recent story ‘200 children go missing from refugee hostels / hotels - that should be a concern? How terrible - bullshit! It should be a national security concern as it’s 200 people of who we know nothing disappeared. They are taking advantage of our hospitality, good nature and well known British values. So, let’s help them and totally clear this backlog. Great, what then? Will that be the end of it or will it encourage hundreds of thousands of more to try their luck? Remember, people coming from the French coast illegally has been going on for at least 25 years, it’s just the method that has changed. As you will probably remember, I have little time for the ones who game the system (which is probably most of them). However, we should be able to process them quickly so we can deport them. The issues in the article above, along with a lack of will in the Civil Service to believe that most of the illegal immigrants are economic migrants has led to the current situation. The PCS union joining legal action against the government says it all really. Their members are employed to do the government's bidding not bleat about it. Deporting them seems to be the problem. Have we deported any? I shudder to think what the legal costs, and indeed the translation costs are ? " The reality is that we have an open border. We just need to acknowledge the fact and accept that all of the people involved in the border and immigration process are effectively surplus to requirements, so should all be made redundant. They don't achieve anything anyway. That way the immigration situation stays the same and the money that we will save can be returned to the taxpayers. | |||
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? " I did also mention the media as well douchebag. Learn to read. | |||
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? I did also mention the media as well douchebag. Learn to read." Good morning. The fucking Tories, thanks he right wing press, and the media? How’s that? | |||
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? I did also mention the media as well douchebag. Learn to read. Good morning. The fucking Tories, thanks he right wing press, and the media? How’s that? " ‘The’ not ‘thanks he’ I need to learn to type! | |||
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? I did also mention the media as well douchebag. Learn to read. Good morning. The fucking Tories, thanks he right wing press, and the media? How’s that? " You seem angry this morning? Anyway, this guy got his irrational fear and hatred of immigrants from somewhere ? | |||
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? I did also mention the media as well douchebag. Learn to read. Good morning. The fucking Tories, thanks he right wing press, and the media? How’s that? You seem angry this morning? Anyway, this guy got his irrational fear and hatred of immigrants from somewhere ? " I suspect we will never know but it’s great to jump to cliche stereotypical assumptions. | |||
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"This guy has some serious mental health issues. Ended up hanging himself in his car afterwards. How much of this was fueled by the media/Daily Mail/Govt etc? Maybe if there wasnt so many cutbacks he could have got help? Was he angry about crime,employment,welfare etc? These all come down to the Govt at the end of the day...crimes like these can be stopped if the Govt wanted to but it fits their narrative for their policies. How funny. While this guy clearly had issues, we don’t know the full story / background of course, it’s all the fault of the FUCKING TORIES and the right wing press. What a well worn and tired old line that is. Nothing better? I did also mention the media as well douchebag. Learn to read. Good morning. The fucking Tories, thanks he right wing press, and the media? How’s that? You seem angry this morning? Anyway, this guy got his irrational fear and hatred of immigrants from somewhere ? I suspect we will never know but it’s great to jump to cliche stereotypical assumptions. " That he was a ring wing racist with mental health problems? These are not assumptions but facts | |||
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