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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister?? |
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"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??
Disraeli was Jewish."
Technicality - Disraeli was baptised Christian after his father decided to split with his synagogue. So, although ethnically Jewish, he was a baptised Christian. You had to be, to be PM at that time.
To answer the question, I'm more interested in the PMs competence, not religion, gender, sexuality or anything else. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??"
Before this shifts to an attack on the OP, it's an open question not a personal opinion, if I had one it would be "as long as he does eat he promises for the people then his religion shouldn't matter" |
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I think if/when Rishi does become pm he will face some prejudice based on his ethnicity and religion. I do think the country in general is open to a pm who isn't Christian but it's amazing how people can suddenly get defensive of a faith they've never practiced |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??"
The national is, of the racist Tory party member on LBC earlier who said Sunak wasn't British and compared him to Al-Qaeda does speak for at least 80% of the party membership as he claimed, then the Tory party really aren't ready for a non white PM.
And the way they voted for Truss last month suggests he's possibly more representative than we want to admit |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??"
He isn't a very Christian person anyway. Is rishi a devout Muslim? If so I would be happy knowing he follows the qoran.
Incidentally you can't be prime minister if you are Catholics and the last time I looked, Catholics were Christians. That's not a very Christian thing for the non Catholic Christians to do. |
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"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??
He isn't a very Christian person anyway. Is rishi a devout Muslim? If so I would be happy knowing he follows the qoran.
Incidentally you can't be prime minister if you are Catholics and the last time I looked, Catholics were Christians. That's not a very Christian thing for the non Catholic Christians to do."
BJ is nominally Catholic and got married, while PM, in a Catholic ceremony. Laws don't have to be imposed, I suppose, the King can choose to accept advice from just about anyone as PM. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont think the uk cares to much about a prime ministers religion "
It's always amazed me how much potential PMs care about demonstrating their religious convictions though. So maybe the question has merit. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"I dont think the uk cares to much about a prime ministers religion
It's always amazed me how much potential PMs care about demonstrating their religious convictions though. So maybe the question has merit."
i know american politicians bang on about it a lot but i honestly cant ever remember a uk politician making a big deal of it, |
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"I dont think the uk cares to much about a prime ministers religion
It's always amazed me how much potential PMs care about demonstrating their religious convictions though. So maybe the question has merit."
Presumably because it (in their minds) demonstrates their "goodness". Cleanliness (from a political angle) is next to godliness etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So looks like rishi will be PM Monday failing a big surprise. What ever his religion it's how he deals with the problems facing the country that counts."
Absolutely.
Is he a cunt or a good guy? That's the question. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont think the uk cares to much about a prime ministers religion
It's always amazed me how much potential PMs care about demonstrating their religious convictions though. So maybe the question has merit.i know american politicians bang on about it a lot but i honestly cant ever remember a uk politician making a big deal of it, "
Blair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??"
I wish his dad had pulled out. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"So looks like rishi will be PM Monday failing a big surprise. What ever his religion it's how he deals with the problems facing the country that counts.
I wonder what Rishi has offered him. "
I doubt anything?
He didn't have the votes so not sure Sunak needed to bargain anything |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So looks like rishi will be PM Monday failing a big surprise. What ever his religion it's how he deals with the problems facing the country that counts.
I wonder what Rishi has offered him.
BJ?"
This made me laugh more than it should. I’m juvenile  |
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"So looks like rishi will be PM Monday failing a big surprise. What ever his religion it's how he deals with the problems facing the country that counts.
I wonder what Rishi has offered him.
I doubt anything?
He didn't have the votes so not sure Sunak needed to bargain anything "
Tend to agree ..
Boris went to see him too soon, didn't have the numbers behind him to give him a strong bargaining position..
And possibly knew he wouldn't get many more by today or Monday.. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??"
Not actually thought about it that way as then persons religion or race is irrelevant  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"So, Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race, leaving the door open for Rishi Sunak....question is.
Is this country ready for a non Christian Prime Minister??
Not actually thought about it that way as then persons religion or race is irrelevant "
Would you say that if the candidate was a devoted or extreme believer of a religion?
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"So looks like rishi will be PM Monday failing a big surprise. What ever his religion it's how he deals with the problems facing the country that counts.
I wonder what Rishi has offered him.
I doubt anything?
He didn't have the votes so not sure Sunak needed to bargain anything "
I suspect there'll be negotiation as to how to keep the warring factions in check. I wonder if that's taking place during or only after the election.
Not that we should be subject to this BS. |
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"Utterly irrelevant. If he does the job properly it shouldn't matter agreed. And if he doesn't do the job properly, still irrelevant. "
If he's lobbied by Religion Mc Religionface, the problem is lobbying, same as if he's lobbied by Oil Mc Apocalypseface |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Utterly irrelevant. If he does the job properly it shouldn't matter agreed. And if he doesn't do the job properly, still irrelevant. "
Roe V Wade is an example of religious and political interference.
Dismissing someones beliefs as irrelevant can lead to many problems if that person has power. It is not unhealthy or disrespectful to want to know the beliefs of a person who is looking to become the head of your country.
Here in the UK we have less appetite for the extreme ends of religion, meaning any future PM is highly unlikely to have extreme religious directions as a selling point to power.
This is any religion, for clarity. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Utterly irrelevant. If he does the job properly it shouldn't matter agreed. And if he doesn't do the job properly, still irrelevant. "
Blimey, I have had some twisting of my words on here but this one has to be the finest |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I doubt Johnson was any religion. Didn't he lie to the head of the church of England ?"
I mean the current head of the Church of England is an adulterer. Religion has no place in government anyway! |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Utterly irrelevant. If he does the job properly it shouldn't matter
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Utterly irrelevant. It shouldn't matter what colour/ what religion/ what sex a person is to be able to do a job
( for the people who didn't get my first post ) |
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
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"I doubt Johnson was any religion. Didn't he lie to the head of the church of England ?"
Boris Johnsson is a Catholic like Guy Falks neither had much respect for the house of parliament |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wasn't there something about Tony Blair not being able to convert to Catholicism while he was Prime Minister for some reason or am i misremembered that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who cares about pm religion as far as they do their job and full fill country prospect. FYI Rishi follow Punjabi religion."
Think you will find he follows Hinduism which is the main faith in dozens of countries and regions. |
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"Who cares about pm religion as far as they do their job and full fill country prospect. FYI Rishi follow Punjabi religion."
Punjabi isn't a religion. The Punjab is a geographical region in India. It is where Sikhism originated.
Sunak is Hindu. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't believe it's 2022 and people still care, believe and fight amongst each other about which make belief fairy tale sky God will give them the most comfort upon death.
If I had to choose, I'd hang out with Jesus and Buddha. They seemed super chill
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"So looks like rishi will be PM Monday failing a big surprise. What ever his religion it's how he deals with the problems facing the country that counts.
I wonder what Rishi has offered him.
I doubt anything?
He didn't have the votes so not sure Sunak needed to bargain anything
Tend to agree ..
Boris went to see him too soon, didn't have the numbers behind him to give him a strong bargaining position..
And possibly knew he wouldn't get many more by today or Monday.."
There were lots of votes undeclared so I think he may have had enough. I think after looking at the polls he's left it to rishi, who may well lose the next general election and then Boris can swoop in for 5 years of opposition. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
Given the depressing amount of racist memes I've seen (and I live in a left wing echo chamber) on social media, the comments on right wing media's news reports and the fact there is allegedly now a problem on the tory party's site with the link to resign membership, we are definitely living in a country where a significant proportion of the electorate, and more significantly for Sunak Tory voters are not ready to welcome an Asian Hindu as PM.
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"Given the depressing amount of racist memes I've seen (and I live in a left wing echo chamber) on social media, the comments on right wing media's news reports and the fact there is allegedly now a problem on the tory party's site with the link to resign membership, we are definitely living in a country where a significant proportion of the electorate, and more significantly for Sunak Tory voters are not ready to welcome an Asian Hindu as PM.
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Given the depressing amount of racist memes I've seen (and I live in a left wing echo chamber) on social media, the comments on right wing media's news reports and the fact there is allegedly now a problem on the tory party's site with the link to resign membership, we are definitely living in a country where a significant proportion of the electorate, and more significantly for Sunak Tory voters are not ready to welcome an Asian Hindu as PM.
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Just to clarify, I mean of Asian descent, I fully respect that our PM is British. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Given the depressing amount of racist memes I've seen (and I live in a left wing echo chamber) on social media, the comments on right wing media's news reports and the fact there is allegedly now a problem on the tory party's site with the link to resign membership, we are definitely living in a country where a significant proportion of the electorate, and more significantly for Sunak Tory voters are not ready to welcome an Asian Hindu as PM.
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I have read the story of tory party members leaving the party after Sunak's appointment as PM and it has appeared more than once in different guises.
1 story is deliberately vague and is creating a feeling of racist reasoning. Allows the reader to fill in gaps themselves, fuelled by an undercurrent of not happy in with Sunak being PM.
The second story has the same quotes and people in them, but goes on to expand on the fact that the party members are disillusioned with the way the party handled Truss stepping down and them not having any say whatsoever in who leads the party, they are unhappy there was no vote.
The thing I took away from both stories was how it was centred around a handful of people complaining, to sensationalise the medias agenda.
It also highlighted that these tory members are either unaware of the party processes and the governance that supports those processes, or the they actually believe being a member of the party affords them the right to appoint the PM on their individual say so, or finally... They are racist and want to make a point of letting everyone know.
Bonkers party, bonkers members.
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None of the people I've read about, who are leaving the Con party in response to Sunak becoming PM, have been able to verbalise any clear reason. The only thing being cited is they "didn't vote for him" or "don't trust him". I believe there's a massive under current of racism. They're leaving the party because a brown man is now PM  |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"None of the people I've read about, who are leaving the Con party in response to Sunak becoming PM, have been able to verbalise any clear reason. The only thing being cited is they "didn't vote for him" or "don't trust him". I believe there's a massive under current of racism. They're leaving the party because a brown man is now PM "
I mean in fairness he didn't campaign nor offer any policies and has arguably been selected by default as he stood effectively unchallenged. So it's not difficult to find a reason to justify leaving, but as you say the way it is articulated is so telling...
And the above is why we need a general election now! |
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"Given the depressing amount of racist memes I've seen (and I live in a left wing echo chamber) on social media, the comments on right wing media's news reports and the fact there is allegedly now a problem on the tory party's site with the link to resign membership, we are definitely living in a country where a significant proportion of the electorate, and more significantly for Sunak Tory voters are not ready to welcome an Asian Hindu as PM.
Just to clarify, I mean of Asian descent, I fully respect that our PM is British. "
Ditto. It's not even a question to me.
The idea that it is a question is just fucking sickening. |
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"None of the people I've read about, who are leaving the Con party in response to Sunak becoming PM, have been able to verbalise any clear reason. The only thing being cited is they "didn't vote for him" or "don't trust him". I believe there's a massive under current of racism. They're leaving the party because a brown man is now PM
I mean in fairness he didn't campaign nor offer any policies and has arguably been selected by default as he stood effectively unchallenged. So it's not difficult to find a reason to justify leaving, but as you say the way it is articulated is so telling...
And the above is why we need a general election now!"
Yes. I can articulate a lot of reasons and I could probably even do so as if I were a Tory. But... |
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"None of the people I've read about, who are leaving the Con party in response to Sunak becoming PM, have been able to verbalise any clear reason. The only thing being cited is they "didn't vote for him" or "don't trust him". I believe there's a massive under current of racism. They're leaving the party because a brown man is now PM
I mean in fairness he didn't campaign nor offer any policies and has arguably been selected by default as he stood effectively unchallenged. So it's not difficult to find a reason to justify leaving, but as you say the way it is articulated is so telling...
And the above is why we need a general election now!"
He offered policies in the summer leadership campaign, I think? I agree there should be a GE, but unfortunately our system doesn't has us voting for the PM. We vote for our local representative and the biggest party who are usually the ones who form a govt, can decide themselves who is their leader. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"None of the people I've read about, who are leaving the Con party in response to Sunak becoming PM, have been able to verbalise any clear reason. The only thing being cited is they "didn't vote for him" or "don't trust him". I believe there's a massive under current of racism. They're leaving the party because a brown man is now PM
I mean in fairness he didn't campaign nor offer any policies and has arguably been selected by default as he stood effectively unchallenged. So it's not difficult to find a reason to justify leaving, but as you say the way it is articulated is so telling...
And the above is why we need a general election now!
He offered policies in the summer leadership campaign, I think? I agree there should be a GE, but unfortunately our system doesn't has us voting for the PM. We vote for our local representative and the biggest party who are usually the ones who form a govt, can decide themselves who is their leader."
Policies that were rejected by the tory members. He's not said whether they remain his policies nor if he has revised them. But they aren't the policies that were campaigned for in the general election either so, yeah plenty of reasons to be a tory and resign, it's a complete farce |
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"None of the people I've read about, who are leaving the Con party in response to Sunak becoming PM, have been able to verbalise any clear reason. The only thing being cited is they "didn't vote for him" or "don't trust him". I believe there's a massive under current of racism. They're leaving the party because a brown man is now PM
I mean in fairness he didn't campaign nor offer any policies and has arguably been selected by default as he stood effectively unchallenged. So it's not difficult to find a reason to justify leaving, but as you say the way it is articulated is so telling...
And the above is why we need a general election now!
He offered policies in the summer leadership campaign, I think? I agree there should be a GE, but unfortunately our system doesn't has us voting for the PM. We vote for our local representative and the biggest party who are usually the ones who form a govt, can decide themselves who is their leader.
Policies that were rejected by the tory members. He's not said whether they remain his policies nor if he has revised them. But they aren't the policies that were campaigned for in the general election either so, yeah plenty of reasons to be a tory and resign, it's a complete farce"
Did they reject his policies, or the colour of his skin? I know which one I think is more influential unfortunately. |
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