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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
I doubt it will happen but it will just cause even more chaos and instability if it does.
He resigned following multiple scandals because he couldn't form a cabinet. Thr only peoplecwzhtinh him back are hos crazed loyalists |
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"It's just the kind of crazy, stupid, unthinkable, surreal thing that's guaranteed to happen in 2022.
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HAHAHA, it certainly has been a very surreal couple of years hasn't it? Six formers running the country. How different it could have been if the media weren't so powerful in the Uk |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Looking like the Uk's best salesman Boris Johnson might be back as PM, Is anyone happy about this?? "
As I said on a similar thread.
Google all the failed manifesto promises from 2019, add in the lies, corruption, covid deaths and the disregard for the average man on the street on all his decisions.....
And I wonder why anyone would be keen to see him back?
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"Looking like the Uk's best salesman Boris Johnson might be back as PM, Is anyone happy about this?? "
It's likely to exacerbate the annihilation of the Conservative party. To that extent... yeah, there's at least an upside to it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm so glad I got out of the UK when I did it's a mess! People complain moan and worry when the power is in the people hands. But most people can't either... be bothered, too scared to do anything or just sheep and follow regardless. Stop moaning and do something about it. You may say why don't I?
Well I have sort of. I haven't paid an utility bill since 2006 and I live in a tent. Don't pay tax, NI, don't have a car so don't pay fuel. My carbon footprint or a year is probably the average person's weekly amount. If these fuel fat cats are getting richer then it's not because of me.
Wake up people nothing is as it seems and the whole political system is corrupt!
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
If only we get the opportunity for a general election which the public should be entitled to after the fiasco. Were going to get stung regardless but I believe Keir Starmer would better given the circumstances we are in.... |
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As the Tories have already proven, they are incapable of selecting a credible PM, instead turning it into a popularity contest within their own ranks.
Even their own members are at a loss as to how such talentless fuckwits can make it to No.10, so yeah Boris may well be back!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If only we get the opportunity for a general election which the public should be entitled to after the fiasco. Were going to get stung regardless but I believe Keir Starmer would better given the circumstances we are in.... "
Lol... slightly better maybe but he's one of these out of touch idiot politicians!
I think we should start getting people who actually love the country and the people and say what they mean and don't take no shit
Ricky Gervais or Tussle Brand come to mind. Sounds funny but I actually think it could work. Get these rich entitled wanked politicians out and get people in who will get things done for the people! Should have college professors etc |
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over a year ago
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I voted for Rishi Sunak when Liz Truss won the vote
I suspect I will vote for him this time around again depends on whether two or 3 candidates get over 100 votes.
If only one gets more than 100 then they win direct without members getting an online vote. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"I voted for Rishi Sunak when Liz Truss won the vote
I suspect I will vote for him this time around again depends on whether two or 3 candidates get over 100 votes.
If only one gets more than 100 then they win direct without members getting an online vote."
I wouldn't bother with your online vote, Putin will change it anyway |
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over a year ago
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"I voted for Rishi Sunak when Liz Truss won the vote
I suspect I will vote for him this time around again depends on whether two or 3 candidates get over 100 votes.
If only one gets more than 100 then they win direct without members getting an online vote.
I wouldn't bother with your online vote, Putin will change it anyway "
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I voted for Rishi Sunak when Liz Truss won the vote
I suspect I will vote for him this time around again depends on whether two or 3 candidates get over 100 votes.
If only one gets more than 100 then they win direct without members getting an online vote.
I wouldn't bother with your online vote, Putin will change it anyway "
Ironic how the Tory Govt are refusing to allow trade unions to use online voting for strike ballots. |
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"I voted for Rishi Sunak when Liz Truss won the vote
I suspect I will vote for him this time around again depends on whether two or 3 candidates get over 100 votes.
If only one gets more than 100 then they win direct without members getting an online vote.
I wouldn't bother with your online vote, Putin will change it anyway
Ironic how the Tory Govt are refusing to allow trade unions to use online voting for strike ballots."
Rules are for plebs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies "
Not great for higher earners unfortunately |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Don't tell us. Boris is the new Churchill?"
Boris isn’t the new anything…he’s just the only guy who’s going to steady the ship. Anything but labour involvement please! |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunately"
what counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ? |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?"
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided. |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided."
didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Don't tell us. Boris is the new Churchill?
Boris isn’t the new anything…he’s just the only guy who’s going to steady the ship. Anything but labour involvement please! "
couldnt steady himself hes up in front of the priveledges committee next month will get kicked out again and the whole shitshow will rumble on for anothet month making it sixmonths of the cost of living crisis they have spent squabbling over who gets to lead the Tory party into oblivion at the next election .meanwhile we the general public suffer with out a voice |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided.didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ? "
They did as a one off but labour want to make this an annual tax, risking the sanction of new projects, shrinking the offshore workforce and slowing hydrocarbon production which is bad news for all involved.
In this part of the country, it’s the biggest industry. |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Don't tell us. Boris is the new Churchill?
Boris isn’t the new anything…he’s just the only guy who’s going to steady the ship. Anything but labour involvement please! couldnt steady himself hes up in front of the priveledges committee next month will get kicked out again and the whole shitshow will rumble on for anothet month making it sixmonths of the cost of living crisis they have spent squabbling over who gets to lead the Tory party into oblivion at the next election .meanwhile we the general public suffer with out a voice "
And what would you rather see? |
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided.didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ?
They did as a one off but labour want to make this an annual tax, risking the sanction of new projects, shrinking the offshore workforce and slowing hydrocarbon production which is bad news for all involved.
In this part of the country, it’s the biggest industry."
where has he said it was annual ?
A quick search and it looks like he was proposing to backfate the current one and close a loop hole.
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided.didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ?
They did as a one off but labour want to make this an annual tax, risking the sanction of new projects, shrinking the offshore workforce and slowing hydrocarbon production which is bad news for all involved.
In this part of the country, it’s the biggest industry.where has he said it was annual ?
A quick search and it looks like he was proposing to backfate the current one and close a loop hole.
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Nah this was to be a reoccurring thing. |
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided.didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ?
They did as a one off but labour want to make this an annual tax, risking the sanction of new projects, shrinking the offshore workforce and slowing hydrocarbon production which is bad news for all involved.
In this part of the country, it’s the biggest industry.where has he said it was annual ?
A quick search and it looks like he was proposing to backfate the current one and close a loop hole.
Nah this was to be a reoccurring thing. "
do you have a link for this ? Or is it just a belief ? |
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided.didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ?
They did as a one off but labour want to make this an annual tax, risking the sanction of new projects, shrinking the offshore workforce and slowing hydrocarbon production which is bad news for all involved.
In this part of the country, it’s the biggest industry.where has he said it was annual ?
A quick search and it looks like he was proposing to backfate the current one and close a loop hole.
Nah this was to be a reoccurring thing. do you have a link for this ? Or is it just a belief ?"
I know because of the provisions we make within the business on profit projections between now and 2026. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided."
Why is it something to be avoided?
And by your reckoning several western economies are 'communist'
Can you tell us some more communist policies please? |
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over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap.
Must have missed all those communist labour policies
Not great for higher earners unfortunatelywhat counts as a high earners now ?
And what policies are bad ?
They want to impose a windfall tax on North Sea energy companies. Definitely something to be avoided.didn't the Tories do this ? Does that really affect high earners ?
They did as a one off but labour want to make this an annual tax, risking the sanction of new projects, shrinking the offshore workforce and slowing hydrocarbon production which is bad news for all involved.
In this part of the country, it’s the biggest industry.where has he said it was annual ?
A quick search and it looks like he was proposing to backfate the current one and close a loop hole.
Nah this was to be a reoccurring thing. do you have a link for this ? Or is it just a belief ?
I know because of the provisions we make within the business on profit projections between now and 2026."
so your company saw it as a risk then? Is this a recent provision? |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"If only we get the opportunity for a general election which the public should be entitled to after the fiasco. Were going to get stung regardless but I believe Keir Starmer would better given the circumstances we are in....
Lol... slightly better maybe but he's one of these out of touch idiot politicians!
I think we should start getting people who actually love the country and the people and say what they mean and don't take no shit
Ricky Gervais or Tussle Brand come to mind. Sounds funny but I actually think it could work. Get these rich entitled wanked politicians out and get people in who will get things done for the people! Should have college professors etc "
Yes but still an opportunity to prove himself can't be any worse than the Tories given though he's been giving it all out then it's like prove it to put things right and people first |
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over a year ago
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"Sunak has reached 103 votes already..!!"
Makes no different if Johnson gets his 100. The moment they turn it over to the paid up members, there's a high risk they'll vote Johnson back in. These are the mental titans who voted Johnson in before, then voted in Truss. |
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"If only we get the opportunity for a general election which the public should be entitled to after the fiasco. Were going to get stung regardless but I believe Keir Starmer would better given the circumstances we are in....
Lol... slightly better maybe but he's one of these out of touch idiot politicians!
I think we should start getting people who actually love the country and the people and say what they mean and don't take no shit
Ricky Gervais or Tussle Brand come to mind. Sounds funny but I actually think it could work. Get these rich entitled wanked politicians out and get people in who will get things done for the people! Should have college professors etc
Yes but still an opportunity to prove himself can't be any worse than the Tories given though he's been giving it all out then it's like prove it to put things right and people first "
Why has it got to be Blue or Red? Maybe that's the problem they feel untouchable! Try voting for another party and then see what happens. Labour fucks things up and so do Tories so vote someone else ffs or stop moaning about it lol. |
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"Sunak has reached 103 votes already..!!
Makes no different if Johnson gets his 100. The moment they turn it over to the paid up members, there's a high risk they'll vote Johnson back in. These are the mental titans who voted Johnson in before, then voted in Truss."
There aren't any members voting this time, just Tory MPs |
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"Sunak has reached 103 votes already..!!
Makes no different if Johnson gets his 100. The moment they turn it over to the paid up members, there's a high risk they'll vote Johnson back in. These are the mental titans who voted Johnson in before, then voted in Truss.
There aren't any members voting this time, just Tory MPs"
Wrong. Initially MPs vote. Then if there are two candidates remaining, Tory party members vote online.
This is why there's so much noise about Johnson being reported. His cronies and allies are desperately talking up his chances to get him to the final stage. Because they know if the final vote goes to Tory party members, he has a good chance of winning... |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"If only we get the opportunity for a general election which the public should be entitled to after the fiasco. Were going to get stung regardless but I believe Keir Starmer would better given the circumstances we are in....
Lol... slightly better maybe but he's one of these out of touch idiot politicians!
I think we should start getting people who actually love the country and the people and say what they mean and don't take no shit
Ricky Gervais or Tussle Brand come to mind. Sounds funny but I actually think it could work. Get these rich entitled wanked politicians out and get people in who will get things done for the people! Should have college professors etc
Yes but still an opportunity to prove himself can't be any worse than the Tories given though he's been giving it all out then it's like prove it to put things right and people first
Why has it got to be Blue or Red? Maybe that's the problem they feel untouchable! Try voting for another party and then see what happens. Labour fucks things up and so do Tories so vote someone else ffs or stop moaning about it lol. "
Tbf has any other party ever had an opportunity prob not and I'm sure their is a reason for this history speaks for itself even present times... Most have been up for sexual misconduct |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So we can reelect a PM who is under investigation for lying in parliament ?"
This is the absolute absurdity of the situation and simply illustrates the lack of common sense displayed by both Tory MP’s and Party Members who support him.
Notwithstanding his complete unsuitability as a person to try to get a grip of the technicalities of the £70billion plus budget deficit; he is likely to face a ban from Parliament and deselection if he is (as seems overwhelmingly likely just from his own evidence that he submitted).
Then what?…..
More weeks and months of psychodrama as he tries to wriggle out of being punished and all the while the economic crisis trundles on as Conservatives fight each other to try to ensure they win the next election instead of fighting to do what is right for the country.
If Johnson wins this race, I predict that come the next election the Conservative Party will fully fracture and potentially cease to exist as we know it. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"So we can reelect a PM who is under investigation for lying in parliament ?
This is the absolute absurdity of the situation and simply illustrates the lack of common sense displayed by both Tory MP’s and Party Members who support him.
Notwithstanding his complete unsuitability as a person to try to get a grip of the technicalities of the £70billion plus budget deficit; he is likely to face a ban from Parliament and deselection if he is (as seems overwhelmingly likely just from his own evidence that he submitted).
Then what?…..
More weeks and months of psychodrama as he tries to wriggle out of being punished and all the while the economic crisis trundles on as Conservatives fight each other to try to ensure they win the next election instead of fighting to do what is right for the country.
If Johnson wins this race, I predict that come the next election the Conservative Party will fully fracture and potentially cease to exist as we know it."
You're spot on
The idea of people thinking a PM who could be deselected and potentially force a by-election (ahd its not just his evidence, Truss, according to various twitter sources, has happily handed over anything she was asked to provide as PM) is beyond comprehension. Its absurd. Even if he somehow survives that investigation it will be months more of a partygate-esque shitstorm.
And then there's the absurdity of thinking that choosing a man who faced multiple scandals and ultimately couldn't full key cabinet posts is a good idea?
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"So we can reelect a PM who is under investigation for lying in parliament ?
This is the absolute absurdity of the situation and simply illustrates the lack of common sense displayed by both Tory MP’s and Party Members who support him.
Notwithstanding his complete unsuitability as a person to try to get a grip of the technicalities of the £70billion plus budget deficit; he is likely to face a ban from Parliament and deselection if he is (as seems overwhelmingly likely just from his own evidence that he submitted).
Then what?…..
More weeks and months of psychodrama as he tries to wriggle out of being punished and all the while the economic crisis trundles on as Conservatives fight each other to try to ensure they win the next election instead of fighting to do what is right for the country.
If Johnson wins this race, I predict that come the next election the Conservative Party will fully fracture and potentially cease to exist as we know it.
You're spot on
The idea of people thinking a PM who could be deselected and potentially force a by-election (ahd its not just his evidence, Truss, according to various twitter sources, has happily handed over anything she was asked to provide as PM) is beyond comprehension. Its absurd. Even if he somehow survives that investigation it will be months more of a partygate-esque shitstorm.
And then there's the absurdity of thinking that choosing a man who faced multiple scandals and ultimately couldn't full key cabinet posts is a good idea?
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I think they're that desperate.
I'd think it was hilarious and entirely fitting, except we're all being dragged along for the ride in ways that will probably damage the country for decades |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!
Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"There's also allegedly 20+ tory MPs ready to resign the whip if he is chosen. I just hope they have the courage to force a by-election rather than switch to being an independent.
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hearing that local constituency partys are threatening to de select back benchers who do not back BOjo using boundary changes as a lever
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"There's also allegedly 20+ tory MPs ready to resign the whip if he is chosen. I just hope they have the courage to force a by-election rather than switch to being an independent.
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there's about 8 due a peerage from his last stint. I wonder if he would follow through on these and have some by elections ...
Plus any Truss gives.
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"There's also allegedly 20+ tory MPs ready to resign the whip if he is chosen. I just hope they have the courage to force a by-election rather than switch to being an independent.
there's about 8 due a peerage from his last stint. I wonder if he would follow through on these and have some by elections ...
Plus any Truss gives.
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Yes, that timebomb that he left for his replacement is going to explode right in his face.
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"Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!
Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground."
Left us all a giant turd of ongoing legal and other wrangling. Such winning. |
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"Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!
Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground."
TBF he got brexit "done" to the extent many really cared. And in line with his mandate.
He's delivered a box that has PS5 on it. Inside is a broken BBC Master. But they don't actually care. This was never about having a better games consulue. It was about being able to say we have a PS5. And from their POV they do. Ignorance is bliss, and as they know their old man is a scoundral, they ain't gonna look.
Schrödingers PS5 Box. |
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"There's also allegedly 20+ tory MPs ready to resign the whip if he is chosen. I just hope they have the courage to force a by-election rather than switch to being an independent.
hearing that local constituency partys are threatening to de select back benchers who do not back BOjo using boundary changes as a lever
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The Conservatives are basically now 2 parties within one. The sooner they split, the better for the country.
Otherwise it will keep paying the price for their in fighting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Starmer’s communist ambitions can do one. Sturgeon’s vile fascist independent ‘pure’ Scottish state can do one.
Get Boris in here asap."
Do you really think Keir is a communist? |
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"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground."
Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground.
Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it?"
Bad form to only quote part of a post when trying to prove a point. The first (cut) sentence provided the context. |
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Those people who think about themselves are wishing him in, instead of thinking about what's best for the majority of the population. Cons are interested in themselves and keeping their snouts in the trough. Johnson is proven as unfit for public office. Was abroad on holidays this week instead of in Parliament, which says everything about his priorities. |
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"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground."
"Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it?"
"Bad form to only quote part of a post when trying to prove a point. The first (cut) sentence provided the context. "
I wasn't trying to prove a point, it was a genuine question. The bit that I cut was "Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!". I'm afraid I don't see how that helps to answer my question.
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"Those people who think about themselves are wishing him in, instead of thinking about what's best for the majority of the population. Cons are interested in themselves and keeping their snouts in the trough. Johnson is proven as unfit for public office. Was abroad on holidays this week instead of in Parliament, which says everything about his priorities. "
Doesn't really matter which one of them is PM though.
Everyone was excited when Boris finally fucked off. But nothing changed.
Nothing will get better until the entire system changed and billionaires/corporations are no longer allowed to donate to and sponsor political parties. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"There's also allegedly 20+ tory MPs ready to resign the whip if he is chosen. I just hope they have the courage to force a by-election rather than switch to being an independent.
hearing that local constituency partys are threatening to de select back benchers who do not back BOjo using boundary changes as a lever
The Conservatives are basically now 2 parties within one. The sooner they split, the better for the country.
Otherwise it will keep paying the price for their in fighting. "
Yes the Tories are 2 parties (at least) in one. This seems to have been the case for a while but these days they seem harder to unite. Labour have the same thing but for now SKS seems to have silenced the other side of his party. A few years ago it looked likely that Labour would split but now more likely the Tories will split first |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground.
Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it?
Bad form to only quote part of a post when trying to prove a point. The first (cut) sentence provided the context.
I wasn't trying to prove a point, it was a genuine question. The bit that I cut was "Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!". I'm afraid I don't see how that helps to answer my question.
Feel free to message me if you don't want to risk derailing this thread."
Not sure how genuine you are being but I will indulge you for a second.
I do not think Brexit has yet been delivered ergo Johnson did not “get brexit done” hence analogy of Santa and his sleigh not taking off.
One example:
The Tory plans to scrap most EU laws by the end of 2023, to show that Brexit is being delivered, risk causing untold legal chaos and yet more damage to British businesses.
Another example:
Northern Ireland situation.
I suppose if someone thinks the only outcome that mattered was actually leaving the EU rather than also sorting out the ramifications of it, then they will assume Brexit got done |
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"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground.
Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it?
Bad form to only quote part of a post when trying to prove a point. The first (cut) sentence provided the context.
I wasn't trying to prove a point, it was a genuine question. The bit that I cut was "Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!". I'm afraid I don't see how that helps to answer my question.
Feel free to message me if you don't want to risk derailing this thread.
Not sure how genuine you are being but I will indulge you for a second.
I do not think Brexit has yet been delivered ergo Johnson did not “get brexit done” hence analogy of Santa and his sleigh not taking off.
One example:
The Tory plans to scrap most EU laws by the end of 2023, to show that Brexit is being delivered, risk causing untold legal chaos and yet more damage to British businesses.
Another example:
Northern Ireland situation.
I suppose if someone thinks the only outcome that mattered was actually leaving the EU rather than also sorting out the ramifications of it, then they will assume Brexit got done "
OK. So in the word 'Brexit', you're including all the changing of the UK's laws, and the "bonfire of the regulations" that hasn't happened yet. I can see that's a reasonable viewpoint.
I'm not sure about including Northern Ireland though. Based on past performance it seems like that situation is never going to be sorted out.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground.
Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it?
Bad form to only quote part of a post when trying to prove a point. The first (cut) sentence provided the context.
I wasn't trying to prove a point, it was a genuine question. The bit that I cut was "Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!". I'm afraid I don't see how that helps to answer my question.
Feel free to message me if you don't want to risk derailing this thread.
Not sure how genuine you are being but I will indulge you for a second.
I do not think Brexit has yet been delivered ergo Johnson did not “get brexit done” hence analogy of Santa and his sleigh not taking off.
One example:
The Tory plans to scrap most EU laws by the end of 2023, to show that Brexit is being delivered, risk causing untold legal chaos and yet more damage to British businesses.
Another example:
Northern Ireland situation.
I suppose if someone thinks the only outcome that mattered was actually leaving the EU rather than also sorting out the ramifications of it, then they will assume Brexit got done
OK. So in the word 'Brexit', you're including all the changing of the UK's laws, and the "bonfire of the regulations" that hasn't happened yet. I can see that's a reasonable viewpoint.
I'm not sure about including Northern Ireland though. Based on past performance it seems like that situation is never going to be sorted out.
Thanks for taking the time to reply."
You absolutely can, should and must include Northern Ireland in any discussions around Brexit, leaving the EU and future trading relationships. That was 100% clear and the Brexiters were told but those saying it were accused of Project Fear.
Really not sure where you are trying to take all of this but it feels close to gaslighting. Brexit is so far an abject failure. Johnson was culpable. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Boris Johnson never delivered Brexit. That’s like cheering Santa for loading up the sleigh and then never getting it off the ground.
Are you thinking that Brexit isn't done, or that Boris wasn't the one that did it?
Bad form to only quote part of a post when trying to prove a point. The first (cut) sentence provided the context.
I wasn't trying to prove a point, it was a genuine question. The bit that I cut was "Pretty much the only defence I hear about Boris Johnson is that he “got brexit done”!". I'm afraid I don't see how that helps to answer my question.
Feel free to message me if you don't want to risk derailing this thread.
Not sure how genuine you are being but I will indulge you for a second.
I do not think Brexit has yet been delivered ergo Johnson did not “get brexit done” hence analogy of Santa and his sleigh not taking off.
One example:
The Tory plans to scrap most EU laws by the end of 2023, to show that Brexit is being delivered, risk causing untold legal chaos and yet more damage to British businesses.
Another example:
Northern Ireland situation.
I suppose if someone thinks the only outcome that mattered was actually leaving the EU rather than also sorting out the ramifications of it, then they will assume Brexit got done
OK. So in the word 'Brexit', you're including all the changing of the UK's laws, and the "bonfire of the regulations" that hasn't happened yet. I can see that's a reasonable viewpoint.
I'm not sure about including Northern Ireland though. Based on past performance it seems like that situation is never going to be sorted out.
Thanks for taking the time to reply."
I'm not sure dismissing discussion around NI just because it proves that Johnson very much didn't get Brexit done adds strength to your argument that he got it done...
Anyway a simple question, 5 benefits of Brexit that you or I could benefit today? |
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"You absolutely can, should and must include Northern Ireland in any discussions around Brexit, leaving the EU and future trading relationships."
I should flag my sarcasm more clearly.
Obviously the Northern Ireland situation should have been properly addressed in the Brexit agreement. I was just saying that there have been issues there for decades, and I don't see any possible solution to them in the foreseeable future. If we're waiting for everyone in Northern Ireland to be happy, then Brexit will never be completed. |
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"I'm not sure dismissing discussion around NI just because it proves that Johnson very much didn't get Brexit done adds strength to your argument that he got it done..."
I've very much allowed myself to be misunderstood on this one. I'm not arguing that Brexit was a good thing, or that Boris did a great job. I just wanted to know why someone thought that it wasn't finished, and she gave a sensible reply.
I should be more careful in posting 'amusing' comments in what other people are treating as a serious thread. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"You absolutely can, should and must include Northern Ireland in any discussions around Brexit, leaving the EU and future trading relationships.
I should flag my sarcasm more clearly.
Obviously the Northern Ireland situation should have been properly addressed in the Brexit agreement. I was just saying that there have been issues there for decades, and I don't see any possible solution to them in the foreseeable future. If we're waiting for everyone in Northern Ireland to be happy, then Brexit will never be completed."
But before brexit, people had found a workable solution... |
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"But before brexit, people had found a workable solution..."
They had?
I still see all of the 'peace walls' still standing, despite an agreement in 2017 to remove them all by 2023. I see the big building in Stormont standing empty because those people elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly can't agree on electing a speaker. I don't think those issues are caused by Brexit. I do agree that Brexit is blamed (rightly or wrongly) for making it worse, but it isn't the cause of the problems there. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I'm not sure dismissing discussion around NI just because it proves that Johnson very much didn't get Brexit done adds strength to your argument that he got it done...
I've very much allowed myself to be misunderstood on this one. I'm not arguing that Brexit was a good thing, or that Boris did a great job. I just wanted to know why someone thought that it wasn't finished, and she gave a sensible reply.
I should be more careful in posting 'amusing' comments in what other people are treating as a serious thread."
Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit and unless you have excellent drafting skills, it is highly unlikely to get picked up in posts on a discussion forum.
BTW this is Mr B posting but you can call me she if it makes you happy  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"BTW this is Mr B posting but you can call me she if it makes you happy
He he. I should learn not to make assumptions based on a small picture."
Indeed although I would prefer it was her then me too lol!  |
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