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"Fabulous article in the Guardian today that really hits the nail on the head as to how the nation has ended up in the place that we find ourselves in today. Brexit was all about a swashbuckling United Kingdom, free from the constraints of the EU and able to lead the world with impunity. Absolute Sovereignty would be ours and we would be all the more richer as a nation because of it. The Truss/Kwarteng budget was a manifestation of this concept and it was delivered as such and praised to the hilt by all the usual right-wing media outlets and personalities. Unfortunately, this display of absolute Sovereignty was quickly given a reality check by the international markets and the end result was yesterdays press conference by a broken and shell shocked Prime Minister that her zeal for Britain to do whatever it wanted might not after all be actually possible. Pragmatic and cautious voices in 2015 & 2016 argued against the idea that raising barriers with our closest and largest trading partners would somehow make us richer. Today, inward investment, GDP and exports are all lower than they would have been had we remained in the EU and our economy in 2016 which was 90% of the size of the German economy is now 70% of the size. The fantasies of Brexit were the same fantasies of Trussonomics and her fantasy budget. We live in a connected world, there is no such thing as absolute sovereignty and the international humiliation heaped n this country in the last few weeks will likely serve as a reminders for years to come that fantasy will always end up losing out to reality." The problem with this, is that it conflates the reasons for brexit, with what brexit voters were told. Two completely different things. For those who funded and pushed for brexit, economic collapse was one of their aims. So you would have to say it was a success. Opening us up for a US trade deal was the aim of the US financial backers, that's not yet happened, but could. Tax avoidance, thats a success. All the nonsense reasons pumped out by the Mail/Express/Telegraph always were conple bollocks. And as the above poster kindly demonstratd, the diehard brexiteers that still cling onto it being a good idea, despite reality, will say anything, no matter how bizarre to justify the whole thing. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ?" But things are worse here because of brexit. Everyone knows this. | |||
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"I think Liz Truss was a Remainer ? so the present mess is not really about Brexit more about the Tory party " Her backing remain six doesn't mitigate any of the problems caused by brexit. | |||
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"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ?" Same old denials then? Has Brexit made us richer as a nation? Never mind world events…has any of what was promised come to fruition? Obviously the NHS bus was a lie, and now we are looking at importing care home staff from outside the EU due to shortages caused by it….just two examples of the lies we were sold by this bunch of incompetent chancers!  | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? Same old denials then? Has Brexit made us richer as a nation? Never mind world events…has any of what was promised come to fruition? Obviously the NHS bus was a lie, and now we are looking at importing care home staff from outside the EU due to shortages caused by it….just two examples of the lies we were sold by this bunch of incompetent chancers! ". Maybe you need to meet those who actually work in the care home industry whether they be workers or people actually running the businness . You will find that they are getting by and no one is either hungry or uncared for . Sometimes issues need to be investigated in more detail . It is probably an industry that is ideal for those seeking part time work . | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ?" And to illustrate the very point… | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? Same old denials then? Has Brexit made us richer as a nation? Never mind world events…has any of what was promised come to fruition? Obviously the NHS bus was a lie, and now we are looking at importing care home staff from outside the EU due to shortages caused by it….just two examples of the lies we were sold by this bunch of incompetent chancers! . Maybe you need to meet those who actually work in the care home industry whether they be workers or people actually running the businness . You will find that they are getting by and no one is either hungry or uncared for . Sometimes issues need to be investigated in more detail . It is probably an industry that is ideal for those seeking part time work . "Wtf are you on about | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ?" France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? Same old denials then? Has Brexit made us richer as a nation? Never mind world events…has any of what was promised come to fruition? Obviously the NHS bus was a lie, and now we are looking at importing care home staff from outside the EU due to shortages caused by it….just two examples of the lies we were sold by this bunch of incompetent chancers! . Maybe you need to meet those who actually work in the care home industry whether they be workers or people actually running the businness . You will find that they are getting by and no one is either hungry or uncared for . Sometimes issues need to be investigated in more detail . It is probably an industry that is ideal for those seeking part time work . "Massive employment vacancies in the care sector, much winning.. | |||
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"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour." "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. " According to your source France is 5.6 % | |||
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""Downbeat predictions by the Treasury and others on the economic consequences of leaving the EU -aka Project Fear- have been on a long fuse, but they have turned out to be overwhelmingly correct and, if anything, underestimated."- The Telegraph. Again part of moving on from this is accepting that bad actors told porkies to the people electorate and I would include the Telegraph in this list…. but the Telegraph are finally changing their stance. Project Fear was right all along https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/10/15/project-fear-right-along/" Blimey! That's brave of them to admit. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % " France is 5.6% inflation on what? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what?" The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ | |||
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"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ " I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. | |||
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"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. " I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster " Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently?" What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster " Brexit achieved the aims of those who funded it. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently?" Brexit has been a disaster for the Uk, who gives a shit if someone has made a mistake on here, just look at the data and what the experts are telling you | |||
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"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. " Why is there a shortage of labour? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? But things are worse here because of brexit. Everyone knows this." No some will equate it to brexit some will not, it’s not a given | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? " Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? But things are worse here because of brexit. Everyone knows this. No some will equate it to brexit some will not, it’s not a given " Depends if you believe experts and stats or you believe in fairytales and unicorns | |||
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"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ?" Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? But things are worse here because of brexit. Everyone knows this. No some will equate it to brexit some will not, it’s not a given " Definitely, some people blame unicorns, aliens, the EU, Corbyn etc. But everyone following what's going on knows can see the impacts of brexit. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? " Farage, when he was an MEP. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ?" Omg are you still reading the Telegraph or have you moved on to the Mail? So my very personal day to day experience of post Brexit is that I have less choice from my suppliers, costs have risen overall between 30 a 50 per cent on materials and when I go to buy my lunch it is on average costing 50 per cent more now with less choice and the same is true of my weekly shop. Now some of that is brexit, some of it is the war and some post covid problems but…. I was told that Brexit would bring new opportunities, new trade deals, new sunlit uplands and I have yet to see anything that is better or even equal to what we had in the EU so I would welcome an example if you have any? How is the HRT supply by the way? I know quite a few women who are seriously unhappy by this prime example of post Brexit trading problems.  | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Farage, when he was an MEP."  | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? " Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread." Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie." Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. " Devaluing sterling was one of the aims though. | |||
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"We spent a month in France this summer. Whatever their inflation rate, food is at least twice as expensive as here. Even shopping in Lidl in France is much more expensive than the UK stores." That is because the pound is so weak against the euro | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. " Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? " That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc." Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? " It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref | |||
"We spent a month in France this summer. Whatever their inflation rate, food is at least twice as expensive as here. Even shopping in Lidl in France is much more expensive than the UK stores. That is because the pound is so weak against the euro "No, the middle isle stuff was about the same price as here. Also, food is still cheaper here for the same stuff. | |||
"We spent a month in France this summer. Whatever their inflation rate, food is at least twice as expensive as here. Even shopping in Lidl in France is much more expensive than the UK stores. That is because the pound is so weak against the euro
No, the middle isle stuff was about the same price as here.
Also, food is still cheaper here for the same stuff."Tbh your talking shite, I went to France recently and apart from the poor exchange rate food was pretty much the same, maybe they charged you extra because you voted for Brexit | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref " So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref " Still, the entire situation would be much better if we hadn't have brexited. Sure, the economy is impacted by multiple factors. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels " No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. " PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered? | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered? "Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
"Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight."Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016 But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm. They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long "Why would I have proof? It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
"which datrs are the 18pc fall measured over ? | |||
"Why would I have proof? It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts." Sigh. All company accounts are publicly available. If you take a look you'll find that in the year ended 31st March 2020, SCM had a turnover of £34,044,226, of which £17,096,918 was available to distribute as dividends. JRM's share was about £800,000. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? " Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me  | |||
"We spent a month in France this summer. Whatever their inflation rate, food is at least twice as expensive as here. Even shopping in Lidl in France is much more expensive than the UK stores. That is because the pound is so weak against the euro
No, the middle isle stuff was about the same price as here.
Also, food is still cheaper here for the same stuff.
Tbh your talking shite, I went to France recently and apart from the poor exchange rate food was pretty much the same, maybe they charged you extra because you voted for Brexit "Maybe if you are used to being shafted at Waitrose or the local convenience store the prices are similar. If you look for best value in the UK, France is much more expensive. Meat is especially expensive although some very tasty cuts not generally available here such as coller of beef and pork hock bring the price down. Also the offal is cheap and tasty if you know how to cook it. | |||
"Why would I have proof? It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts. Sigh. All company accounts are publicly available. If you take a look you'll find that in the year ended 31st March 2020, SCM had a turnover of £34,044,226, of which £17,096,918 was available to distribute as dividends. JRM's share was about £800,000." Sorry. 7 mil payout. Not 700. Also apologies for any commas out of place. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
"Well it's not. Please provide proof | |||
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"Why would I have proof? It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts. Sigh. All company accounts are publicly available. If you take a look you'll find that in the year ended 31st March 2020, SCM had a turnover of £34,044,226, of which £17,096,918 was available to distribute as dividends. JRM's share was about £800,000. Sorry. 7 mil payout. Not 700. Also apologies for any commas out of place." T His share of the profits is that. There is a maximum limit any 1 could withdraw via dividends which was not 7m The accounts show he was paid 600k that year | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
which datrs are the 18pc fall measured over ?"Oct 15 to june 16 I believe I mentioned this. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof "7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from. Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported."The 700k comes from the companies actual accounts i believe according to information that has already been provided in this thread a bit further up. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported."He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts."So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet? | |||
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"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts.
So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?"Better to just be an adult and admit you were wrong no. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts.
So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?
Better to just be an adult and admit you were wrong no."Wasn't wrong though. I'm assuming that you voted for brexit? Apologies if that's not the case. But we can get back to the OP, and the general gist of the thread? Personally I enjoy the people who are still defending Brexit. Fair play to them. | |||
"So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?" There are 25 partners in Somerset Capital Management. They all get a share of the profits. So that £17,096,918 gets split 25 ways. JRM did not get £7m because of Brexit, nor is he hiding it in 'his' company. Ignoring the figures, SCM does all of its investing in emerging markets. It doesn't make money from currency trading. | |||
"1p income tax cut now not happening 45p income tax rate cut now not happening 32% increase in corporation tax (1925%) going ahead £26,000,000,000 extra cost of mortgage interest in last 38 days due to Kwarteng/truss £300,000,000,000 wiped of the ftse since truss became PM £100,000,000,000 annual brexit hit on the economy Rising taxes, interest rates, austerity cuts confirmed by new chancellor, price reductions on rightmove, economy going into recession in face of 2023 global recession And Real prospect of nuclear weapons use in Ukraine and/or enlargement of Russian offensive into ukraines neighbours. SU25’s being loaded with Russian nuclear missiles in Belarus. How things can change very quickly. " I dont even know where to begin with this mess. But erm. You think the ftse had 300bn wiped off. You think 100bn is the nnual cost? I would LOVE to see the maths here. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts.
So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?
Better to just be an adult and admit you were wrong no.
Wasn't wrong though.
I'm assuming that you voted for brexit? Apologies if that's not the case.
But we can get back to the OP, and the general gist of the thread?
Personally I enjoy the people who are still defending Brexit. Fair play to them."You were. You haven't back up one thing you've said. You can download the accounts at beta.companieshouse.com Please be an adult. Admit you were wrong. I'll respect you more. | |||
"So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet? There are 25 partners in Somerset Capital Management. They all get a share of the profits. So that £17,096,918 gets split 25 ways. JRM did not get £7m because of Brexit, nor is he hiding it in 'his' company. Ignoring the figures, SCM does all of its investing in emerging markets. It doesn't make money from currency trading." He did though. Feel free to read about it. Not sure why you're defending him. Aside from your campaign to pick out semantics in a couple of people who you for some reason target on the forums. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts.
So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?
Better to just be an adult and admit you were wrong no.
Wasn't wrong though.
I'm assuming that you voted for brexit? Apologies if that's not the case.
But we can get back to the OP, and the general gist of the thread?
Personally I enjoy the people who are still defending Brexit. Fair play to them.
You were.
You haven't back up one thing you've said. You can download the accounts at beta.companieshouse.com
Please be an adult.
Admit you were wrong. I'll respect you more."You can say it as much as you like. It doesn't change what happened in real life. I have no interest in gaining respect from you. Why would I be interested in that. | |||
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"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts.
So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?
Better to just be an adult and admit you were wrong no.
Wasn't wrong though.
I'm assuming that you voted for brexit? Apologies if that's not the case.
But we can get back to the OP, and the general gist of the thread?
Personally I enjoy the people who are still defending Brexit. Fair play to them.
You were.
You haven't back up one thing you've said. You can download the accounts at beta.companieshouse.com
Please be an adult.
Admit you were wrong. I'll respect you more.
You can say it as much as you like. It doesn't change what happened in real life.
I have no interest in gaining respect from you. Why would I be interested in that."You are just highlighting yourself as a child. Feel free to carry on ignoring facts even when presented of how to check up on tne financial documents that will tell you the truth | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? France hasn't got the energy inflation we have due to better domestic planning. They've just helped reduce Germany's gas inflation due to be able to float a surplus without harding themselves. How? Energy exchange market. Why? Single market. I've been to France, Germany, the Netherlands and Greece recently for work. None of these countries have food price inflation like we have - it's there, but not as bad as us, why? Single market and customs union. Germany still has affordable food, there inflation is mainly the Russian gas issue. The Netherlands is similar. Greece has cheap food, struggling due to energy. France doesn't seem to be struggling compared to us. Now what are our issues? Wages not raising with inflation. A skint and demotivated population. A Labour shortage, so businesses can't run efficiently - driving up prices further. Expensive food and essential industrial chemical and medicine imports, effectivly being an additional tax on anyone of an average income/middle income. The government - hardly governing. Protecting themselves. Saying working people should take another job whether they're working full tine or part time, failing to realise that: A.) We are not serfs B.) Commuting to two jobs requires more time, and more money for fuel/public transport. C.) The jobs that need filling need either highly skilled workers who we are not training enough of, or are away from the sources of labour. "The uk doesn't have energy inflation"They do. The French government originally bailed out the public to the tune of 7bn. Its now under a lawsuits for this as well as putting a 100bn plan together to.hekp the French population out going forward. They have decided to pass this inflation on to future tax payers over the next 30 years. "They've helped Germany gas inflation with the energy exchange and sm." I'd be interested to see your course on this impact. Given Germany also just announced a 93bn intervention again passing on the cost to future generations. The uk produces 50% of its gas consumption domestically. 75% of the other half of supply comes from Norway. We no also have direct intercpnnectors with Norway. We import most other gas from Qatar and USA. Wind produces about 30% - 40%of our electricity. "I've been to Greece France Germany. They don't have food inflation" Actually theirs is much worse the EU harmonised is about 11% the uks is almost 12. France is higher. Germany about the same. You can compare on tradingeconomics.com ( seriously guys I can't stress this enough. Please don't make up things to win discussions on Internet forums. According to your source France is 5.6 % France is 5.6% inflation on what? The inflation rate in France is 5.6 %, I couldn’t find the figures in there for ‘food inflation’ I have provided you a link. Doesn't seem you looked very hard Any way. It debunks the myth of the uk food inflation being worse. I read the link, anyway, this thread is about the Brexit bubble bursting, and it is universally accepted that Brexit has been a disaster Maybe in your world. But people in these threads are CONSTANTLY missing quoting stats. Or simply making them up or making up stories that simply are not true If brexit is this bad. Why the need to lie consistently? What lies have been told about how bad brexit is? Regarding energy prices. Regarding food inflation. Hence me coming onto this thread. Brexit crashed the value of the pound, making everything imported more expensive. People can argue the exact increase due to brexit. But it doesn't make the premise a lie. Oh definitely. It depreciated about 20% in value after the vote. And wasn't helped with all the dilly diallying , betraying and uncertainty. Brexit is ‘done’ now though, so why has it returned to pre referendum levels? That's a different matter of holding shorts , interest rates, government borrowing,quantitative easing etc etc. Brexit devalued the pound, because Brexit is apparently caused ‘uncertainty, dilly dallying , betrayal ‘ this is no longer a factor? It did. Other factors not brexit currently affect that value though. Those factors I mention above For example the ecb purchasing government debt in tbe e.u The pound however was already being devalued on tbe market from October 2015 it was already down about 18% before the ref So, the uncertainty etc that was created by Brexit and caused the pound to devalue is still a factor? Will we ever get back to pre referendum levels No. It was utterly well reported before the announcement of the ref that the pound was overvalued and shorts had entered the market. Particularly the growth vs the dollar when tbe GOP were refusing to increase the debt ceiling. PMSL, so it was just a coincidence that they pound dropped suddenly after the referendum and has never recovered?
Nope. I have said. The pound dripped 18% before the ref. It then dropped a further 20...it never recovered fully.
Like you alluded to, that was on purpose, so that people like JRM who shorted the £ could make 100s of millions overnight.
Well JRM didn't. Unless you jave proof of what his fund invested in? Many shorts existed already because of the high position as of October 2015.they simply increased om June 2016
But that's what hedge funds do. And why they are in trouble atm.
They borrow to short. And invest own sums to go long
Why would I have proof?
It's public knowledge what Somerset Capital Management did, and how much money JRM got in dividends. £700mil. Or there abouts.
Well it's not. Please provide proof
7 mil. I don't know where 700 came from.
Public knowledge. Just Google it. It was extremely widely reported.
He never withdrew 7m it's the in the accounts.
So he helped promote brexit, conned the British public, made the country poorer to make himself richer, and it's okay because he hasn't withdrawn the 7 mil yet?
Better to just be an adult and admit you were wrong no.
Wasn't wrong though.
I'm assuming that you voted for brexit? Apologies if that's not the case.
But we can get back to the OP, and the general gist of the thread?
Personally I enjoy the people who are still defending Brexit. Fair play to them.
You were.
You haven't back up one thing you've said. You can download the accounts at beta.companieshouse.com
Please be an adult.
Admit you were wrong. I'll respect you more.
You can say it as much as you like. It doesn't change what happened in real life.
I have no interest in gaining respect from you. Why would I be interested in that.
You are just highlighting yourself as a child.
Feel free to carry on ignoring facts even when presented of how to check up on tne financial documents that will tell you the truth"
Now you're resorting to insults, I'll leave you guys to it. | |||
"Question for you two guys. Aside from trying to prove me wrong via semantics over if JRM drew down the 7mil he made from brexit, or not. Which to be honest, doesn't make any difference. Do you think brexit was a good idea?" 700k vs 7m is bot semantics its factual and open for the publics viewing. Fundamentally I voted for brexit because the uk has ALWAYS been an unwilling member. We used 4 optouts. I think 7 were used in total across all members and we had over half used. We never adopted the euro. The e.u was always about harmonisation. And the uk has always been an unwilling partner. With the idea of " ever closer ties" the um needed to several itself before it became too ingrained in the cog. Italy and many other economies now couldn't leave because of the euro. There are fundamental challenges to the ecj judiciary from members Shared debt discussions. Many members Greece etc should have never been allowed to join. I felt the people should jave bee given a choice in 93 under major. But that was taken away. We now have all but 3 of the e.us trade deals without having to pay for them. Many of the deals don't include services which is a large part of uk economic exports particular regarding financial services over the Internet etc. How could they they were signed 25 years ago. The uk will forge its own path. I dont think we'd have had the economic hit of at best -0.8% growth expectations. But also there are fundamental flaws in the eurozone. The role of the ecj. The asset bubble being built. I dont want the uk any where near it. | |||
"Ignoring the figures, SCM does all of its investing in emerging markets. It doesn't make money from currency trading." "He did though. Feel free to read about it." We have read about it. Your £7m figure comes from a Channel 4 Dispatches programme, in which they claimed that JRM "might have" received £7m in dividends from SCM since 2016. To assume that all of that money is because of Brexit is foolish. SCM invests in emerging markets, and makes all of its money in that way. The programme's argument was that he made money because the pound fell in value. Well obviously, since SCM's investment is not in sterling, then they'll stand to lose , or gain, if currency rates change. Your argument hinges on the idea that JRM is so stupid that he deliberately lowered the value of sterling by 10%, just so that he could have 10% more sterling. | |||
""Downbeat predictions by the Treasury and others on the economic consequences of leaving the EU -aka Project Fear- have been on a long fuse, but they have turned out to be overwhelmingly correct and, if anything, underestimated."- The Telegraph. Again part of moving on from this is accepting that bad actors told porkies to the people electorate and I would include the Telegraph in this list…. but the Telegraph are finally changing their stance. Project Fear was right all along https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/10/15/project-fear-right-along/ Blimey! That's brave of them to admit." Indeed, I can see a lot of one nation Tories coming out stating this also in the next few weeks. This paper is the bell weather for a lot of Tory voters. | |||
"Question for you two guys. Aside from trying to prove me wrong via semantics over if JRM drew down the 7mil he made from brexit ..." Ah, this is your favourite place to go when you're caught out, claim it's all just semantics. We're not playing with semantics. We're flat out saying that you're wrong. We've provided proof that you're wrong. We've given you the opportunity to come up with some evidence, but instead you just call 'semantics'. | |||
"Question for you two guys. Aside from trying to prove me wrong via semantics over if JRM drew down the 7mil he made from brexit ... Ah, this is your favourite place to go when you're caught out, claim it's all just semantics. We're not playing with semantics. We're flat out saying that you're wrong. We've provided proof that you're wrong. We've given you the opportunity to come up with some evidence, but instead you just call 'semantics'." Yawn. You are arguing against yourself now. As you pointed out above. Anyways this is pointless. All you do is try these semantic arguments against me and one or two others. It's really boring, and never has anything to do with the discussion points. You could offer points of view and opinions. If you wanted to. | |||
"You could offer points of view and opinions. If you wanted to." I do offer opinions, when I have something worth saying. But mostly I just counter disinformation. | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? Same old denials then? Has Brexit made us richer as a nation? Never mind world events…has any of what was promised come to fruition? Obviously the NHS bus was a lie, and now we are looking at importing care home staff from outside the EU due to shortages caused by it….just two examples of the lies we were sold by this bunch of incompetent chancers! "But should we be steling Labour form any country when there are so meany in this country not working. If we can't train our own labour that says more about us as a society then BREXIT | |||
"So the economic problems in France Belgium Germany ect are to do with brexit as well ? Same old denials then? Has Brexit made us richer as a nation? Never mind world events…has any of what was promised come to fruition? Obviously the NHS bus was a lie, and now we are looking at importing care home staff from outside the EU due to shortages caused by it….just two examples of the lies we were sold by this bunch of incompetent chancers!
But should we be steling Labour form any country when there are so meany in this country not working.
If we can't train our own labour that says more about us as a society then BREXIT "How many are not working? | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me "A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up "The office of national statistics. Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1. Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
"Did you read who these are? Students, stay at home parents etc. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
Did you read who these are?
Students, stay at home parents etc."So you think it's good to let other countries train staff then have them more to the UK to fill jobs like nurses and leave the country they leave short of staff.. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
Did you read who these are?
Students, stay at home parents etc.
So you think it's good to let other countries train staff then have them more to the UK to fill jobs like nurses and leave the country they leave short of staff.."Not quite sure I follow what you're saying. I was clarifying that those not in paid employment aren't just lazy bums as per what the Daily Mail tells people. But students, and people fulfilling different roles in society. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
Did you read who these are?
Students, stay at home parents etc.
So you think it's good to let other countries train staff then have them more to the UK to fill jobs like nurses and leave the country they leave short of staff..
Not quite sure I follow what you're saying.
I was clarifying that those not in paid employment aren't just lazy bums as per what the Daily Mail tells people. But students, and people fulfilling different roles in society. "So are you implying that no one one benefit could work. And all are justified. | |||
"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
Did you read who these are?
Students, stay at home parents etc.
So you think it's good to let other countries train staff then have them more to the UK to fill jobs like nurses and leave the country they leave short of staff..
Not quite sure I follow what you're saying.
I was clarifying that those not in paid employment aren't just lazy bums as per what the Daily Mail tells people. But students, and people fulfilling different roles in society.
So are you implying that no one one benefit could work. And all are justified."Nope. | |||
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"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
Did you read who these are?
Students, stay at home parents etc.
So you think it's good to let other countries train staff then have them more to the UK to fill jobs like nurses and leave the country they leave short of staff.."Well maybe you should consider the tories choice of removing the nursing bursary! I feel pretty confident in saying that probably stopped a lot of potential students from becoming nurses | |||
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"All those arguing about figures and where they got their information from. I couldn't give a toss. Its what's happening in my own world that I make my opinions from. That right now is going down. My shares and savings are going down. My costs are going up. For the first time I have property that is struggling to let ( commercial, not domestic). Is it down to Brexit, from where am standing it is, a lot of potential food businesses are scared to risk a new venture because of energy costs and shortage of labour supply. Why is there a shortage of labour? Why are there people who have chosen not to work ? Who has ‘choosen not to work’ ? Shut loads have, I live in Bristol and in my area there are so many who get the same as they would in benefits and help with rent council tax ect that they will just not bother as most have a side hustle to make extra as well. Sometime I wonder why I go to work but it’s just the way I was brought up to support myself and not expect anyone to support me
A bit vague, how many are you talking about here? 50 to 100 people ? Or have you gone around your area ‘interrogating ‘ people? Let’s deal with facts here, not things your just making up
The office of national statistics.
Around 3.6 million adults in the UK have never been paid for work, our analysis has shown1.
Of more than 41 million 16- to 64-year-olds in the UK, 75% were employed in July 2017 to June 2018, but there were still nearly 10% who had never done paid work.
Did you read who these are?
Students, stay at home parents etc.
So you think it's good to let other countries train staff then have them more to the UK to fill jobs like nurses and leave the country they leave short of staff..
Well maybe you should consider the tories choice of removing the nursing bursary! I feel pretty confident in saying that probably stopped a lot of potential students from becoming nurses"Yep be more the happy to go one step further all training costs for nurses and doctors and other NHS staff would be free. but you would need to work for the NHS for 15 years to clear the cost. Or people would train then move to a country where they can earn more. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. " “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. " What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. " Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK." How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK." “Only ever negotiate from a position of strength “. Now, who said that? | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing" I am not prepared to get into a back-and-forth with you. My time is too precious and the internet has everything you need. You must have a lot of time on your hands so feel free to quote extracts. As for celebrating roll over deals! Love how Leave supporters think it is a win to stand still! A roll over deal on same terms is the least we should have expected and is less than we were promised! | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing I am not prepared to get into a back-and-forth with you. My time is too precious and the internet has everything you need. You must have a lot of time on your hands so feel free to quote extracts. As for celebrating roll over deals! Love how Leave supporters think it is a win to stand still! A roll over deal on same terms is the least we should have expected and is less than we were promised!" So you don't have an answer then. You read a headline and simply believed it must be true because it conformed to your pre determined beliefs. Uk meat was already at a premium vs e.u competitors while in the SM our production standards often exceeded the e.u minimum requirement and thus the red tractor image was devised to show domestic produce and highlight it was more expensive due to being produced to higher standards. Any fear of market share being undercut by aus/ nz is misplaced. The market shared they would eat into would be Irish or e.u. there's nothing in the deal that undermines the uk farmers any ore than the tarriff free, quota free access of the e.u. any imports MUST meat uk standards of imports. However I the e.u our import standards meant we HAD to accept e.u standards which were lower. Regarding rollover deals. You you seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand you were saying we were going round desperate for deals. Yet all these countries were happy to roll them over and bot take advantage. You the said the gdp figures matter for trade deals. The uk gdp is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the e.u blocks. Yet we managed to get 98% of the deals signed on the same terms as and entire trading block of 500m people with just 67m people. Your arguments seem very contradictory. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing" Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU" The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members." I will try again, do you know more about farming in the UK then the NFU? | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. I will try again, do you know more about farming in the UK then the NFU? " That they didn't like that we end up with 0 quota on imports in 15 years. As I said. They'd rather have no importa of meat. It would mean the people they represent are paid more. But they also acknowledge the SM meant unrestricted imports. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. I will try again, do you know more about farming in the UK then the NFU? That they didn't like that we end up with 0 quota on imports in 15 years. As I said. They'd rather have no importa of meat. It would mean the people they represent are paid more. But they also acknowledge the SM meant unrestricted imports." The New Zealand and Australian trade deals are bad for UK farmers, | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members." so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. I will try again, do you know more about farming in the UK then the NFU? That they didn't like that we end up with 0 quota on imports in 15 years. As I said. They'd rather have no importa of meat. It would mean the people they represent are paid more. But they also acknowledge the SM meant unrestricted imports. The New Zealand and Australian trade deals are bad for UK farmers, " Sorry but no. They haven't said that. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. " The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first." You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? " The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. I will try again, do you know more about farming in the UK then the NFU? That they didn't like that we end up with 0 quota on imports in 15 years. As I said. They'd rather have no importa of meat. It would mean the people they represent are paid more. But they also acknowledge the SM meant unrestricted imports. The New Zealand and Australian trade deals are bad for UK farmers, Sorry but no. They haven't said that. " Sorry, yes, they have said that, go and spend the afternoon doing some research and stop contradicting yourself  | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle." Bullshit , try again | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again " So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit?" The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, " As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. " Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat "You have made up the NFU position I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all. I've no idea who pat is. Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses."The NFU have stated the deals are bad for UK farmers, they know far more about this subject than you do so I suggest you listen to their words and stop making yourself look like a tit | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.
The NFU have stated the deals are bad for UK farmers, they know far more about this subject than you do so I suggest you listen to their words and stop making yourself look like a tit "No they haven't You need to stop perpetuating this lie. And read their reports. And the responses to the TAC report. Stop simply reading paper headlines and go to the sources. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses."unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers. Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact? | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers.
Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact?"It focuses on the impact of the trade deal through those means. So ease tell me. If Australian imports have to meet uk standards. But the e.u didn't have the meet those standards How will Australian imports be more imapctful to UK farmers than the e.u Who do you expect to be moreimpacted the uk or the e.u? The nfu were concerned with cheap imports not being the same standard as the uk( before even reading the deal) and thus screwing uk farmers. The TAC comprehensively dismisses that. | |||
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"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers.
Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact?
It focuses on the impact of the trade deal through those means.
So ease tell me. If Australian imports have to meet uk standards.
But the e.u didn't have the meet those standards
How will Australian imports be more imapctful to UK farmers than the e.u
Who do you expect to be moreimpacted the uk or the e.u?
The nfu were concerned with cheap imports not being the same standard as the uk( before even reading the deal) and thus screwing uk farmers.
The TAC comprehensively dismisses that.
"So one question I have for you is do you believe statistics are ever skewed to political expediency? | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers.
Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact?
It focuses on the impact of the trade deal through those means.
So ease tell me. If Australian imports have to meet uk standards.
But the e.u didn't have the meet those standards
How will Australian imports be more imapctful to UK farmers than the e.u
Who do you expect to be moreimpacted the uk or the e.u?
The nfu were concerned with cheap imports not being the same standard as the uk( before even reading the deal) and thus screwing uk farmers.
The TAC comprehensively dismisses that.
So one question I have for you is do you believe statistics are ever skewed to political expediency? "What statistics do you believe has been skewed? | |||
"What the nfu originally said https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/the-nfu-has-responded-to-the-uk-and-australia-trade-deal/ What the TAC said https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-australia-fta-advice-from-trade-and-agriculture-commission What the NFU now says https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/tac-report-on-australia-trade-deal-nfu-response/ Their concerns were that it would allow lower level cheap imports. The TAC slapped that down comprehensively. All they have left is whining about quotas. Even when we were in the e.u Australia and New Zealand had tarriff free quotas they could export meat using They never came close to it" In the recent past on these forums there were people saying that these deals meant we would be importing meat where growth hormones had been used. This would be a threat to UK farmers as it would be cheaper to produce and under cut the local farmers. Assuming the British standards do not allow such things and what you say about the trade deal is accurate then it sounds good and far better than what I have been led to believe. I think only time will tell on the EU slice of trade with meat as assume that they do not have to meet the British standards given they did not in the past. | |||
"What the nfu originally said https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/the-nfu-has-responded-to-the-uk-and-australia-trade-deal/ What the TAC said https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-australia-fta-advice-from-trade-and-agriculture-commission What the NFU now says https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/tac-report-on-australia-trade-deal-nfu-response/ Their concerns were that it would allow lower level cheap imports. The TAC slapped that down comprehensively. All they have left is whining about quotas. Even when we were in the e.u Australia and New Zealand had tarriff free quotas they could export meat using They never came close to it In the recent past on these forums there were people saying that these deals meant we would be importing meat where growth hormones had been used. This would be a threat to UK farmers as it would be cheaper to produce and under cut the local farmers. Assuming the British standards do not allow such things and what you say about the trade deal is accurate then it sounds good and far better than what I have been led to believe. I think only time will tell on the EU slice of trade with meat as assume that they do not have to meet the British standards given they did not in the past. " I am sorry to say those people lied. The TAC report clearly shows rules that out. I am afraid they've probably seen an rspca meme. Coincidentally. Those same people probably don't believe the e.u deal allows such things. The rspca meme merely indicates how some Australian domestic meat is produced there. But that can not be exported to the uk. I will always urge people to actually take time out to read the agreements themselves. Not simply believe headlines in mews papers. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers.
Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact?
It focuses on the impact of the trade deal through those means.
So ease tell me. If Australian imports have to meet uk standards.
But the e.u didn't have the meet those standards
How will Australian imports be more imapctful to UK farmers than the e.u
Who do you expect to be moreimpacted the uk or the e.u?
The nfu were concerned with cheap imports not being the same standard as the uk( before even reading the deal) and thus screwing uk farmers.
The TAC comprehensively dismisses that.
So one question I have for you is do you believe statistics are ever skewed to political expediency?
What statistics do you believe has been skewed?"Let’s accept the fact that the ideological hard Brexit didn’t give us really much room to manoeuvre. It made it practically impossible to get an outcome which would have protected British farmers as well as provide meaningful trade with other countries. The Tory hardliners now realise they cannot have everything their way, the market smacked them so hard they will never recover for many years. I am surprised that Truss’s head isn’t on back to front because of it. A Norwegian style Brexit which was even touted as the way forward by a vast majority supporters of Brexit, was ignored, like it didn’t matter. Now the next non-tory government has to pick up the pieces and it will continue to dominate UK politics for years to come. As well as suffering an economic quagmire because of an ideological push for growth at any cost, and enemies who are driven in hatred of the west, and finally the restarting an economy which was battered by a global pandemic. Many people in this forum saw this coming, many people were also willing to gamble on a better outcome. Well, the dice were rolled and we crapped out. Better luck next time. | |||
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"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers.
Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact?
It focuses on the impact of the trade deal through those means.
So ease tell me. If Australian imports have to meet uk standards.
But the e.u didn't have the meet those standards
How will Australian imports be more imapctful to UK farmers than the e.u
Who do you expect to be moreimpacted the uk or the e.u?
The nfu were concerned with cheap imports not being the same standard as the uk( before even reading the deal) and thus screwing uk farmers.
The TAC comprehensively dismisses that.
So one question I have for you is do you believe statistics are ever skewed to political expediency?
What statistics do you believe has been skewed?
Let’s accept the fact that the ideological hard Brexit didn’t give us really much room to manoeuvre. It made it practically impossible to get an outcome which would have protected British farmers as well as provide meaningful trade with other countries.
The Tory hardliners now realise they cannot have everything their way, the market smacked them so hard they will never recover for many years. I am surprised that Truss’s head isn’t on back to front because of it.
A Norwegian style Brexit which was even touted as the way forward by a vast majority supporters of Brexit, was ignored, like it didn’t matter.
Now the next non-tory government has to pick up the pieces and it will continue to dominate UK politics for years to come. As well as suffering an economic quagmire because of an ideological push for growth at any cost, and enemies who are driven in hatred of the west, and finally the restarting an economy which was battered by a global pandemic.
Many people in this forum saw this coming, many people were also willing to gamble on a better outcome. Well, the dice were rolled and we crapped out.
Better luck next time."This doesn't make Sense. | |||
"Honestly I don’t think the problem was Brexit, it’s the way it was handled. The right and tories, thought this was the best opportunity to turn the country into some small government, free market, fuck fest, where public services would be strip mined by big business, whilst all these Services were drained and hollowed out. Where trickle down meant the few benefitted and the rest are left with barely anything. Furthermore, this Government forgot the fundamental rule, you don’t just work for yourself or your supporters. You work for those who didn’t vote for you either. They pushed through a Brexit which was ideologically driven as opposed to pragmatic. People seem to forget or don’t realise, that governing is compromise. You ain’t going to get everything you desire because there will be backlash. Truss found that out pretty sharp and look at her now. Our country needs to be taxed, because all the lovely things we take for granted like healthcare, education, welfare, law and order and other services need to funded properly to be effective. You need regulation because that protects everyone, rich or poor. This weird idea that you can cut money from public services and and strip regulation and still expect a good job is an absolute pipe dream. Brexit can work, it’s just a matter of making a Brexit for all not a Brexit for the few. “Brexit can work” hmmm not so sure on that. The ONLY way for it to work for the benefit of the vast majority of the British people is if the UK was very strong and we had the upper hand in trade negotiations around the world. As the debacle of the NZ trade deal shows, we are weak and everyone knows it. We need a hood deal with India but they recently overtook the UK as a bigger economy. They now have the upper hand. The ONLY Bexit that could have worked was a Norway style EEA arrangement to maintain our economy. But then the hardliners don’t get their bonfire if the regulations they so desperately want so they can create Singapore on Thames. What debacle on the new zealand trade deal do you refer to? Habe you read the fta? Not sure on the position of strength point either. We literally just rolled over deals with almost 100 countries who signed those deals when we were in the e.u. if they felt they didn't need tbe uk trade, or they could get something more. Why did they rollover the deals? You can't on the 1 hand say India has the upper hand because of higher gdp, then say the uk is being bullied by new zealand in trade deals new zealand has a lower gdp.you can't have your cake and eat it. Nonsense. The weak position of the UK (the palpable desperation) means even smaller countries (by GDP) have had the upper hand. The New Zealand deal threw our farmers under the bus. Widely reported how there are significant proportional benefits to NZ and none to the UK. How do you believe the new zealand deal threw the farmers under a bus sorry. Please clarify? We didn't desperately need a deal with new zealand. We offered terms . They offered them. There was back and forth before being accepted. There is no desperation from the uk. As I have pointed out. We rolled over deals with almost 100 countries on tbe same terms as the e.u how is that desperation? Widely reported...by tbe media BEFORE the FTA was even released for reading. I await your response on specific details on the bus throwing Do you know more about farming in the UK than the NFU The nfu is a *UNION* they would stop all imports if they could as they act in their members financial interests. No different to a teachers union etc. They are there to get the maximum benefit for their members. so they would be the ones to point out of their members have been impacted by the FTA? No skin in this game, but it's not clear from the outside which source youd need. The source you'd need is the TAC report Read that first. You need you see the UKs farmers response to the deals, so who is benefitting ? The uk farmers benefit. They still get their red tractor. They are still subsidised. The e.u market share may dwindle. Bullshit , try again So that's all you have now then. Been caught out. So all you can say is bullshit? The NFU know more about UK farming than you do, As stated. They said they wish the uk government hadn't opened up no quotas. But there are already quotas to 3rd country imports of beef and lamb etc. While we were in tbe e.u Both aus/ nz never got near their share As stated. When we were in the sm. We HAD to accept lower standards hence red tractor became synonymous with uk standards of production and meant higher prices. All aus/ nz imports MUST meet uk standards. Any market share they take will be the e.us I am sorry this is just reality. Can we clarify 2 things 1 do you know more about UK farming than the NFU? 2 are you or are you friends with Pat
You have made up the NFU position
I have told you their response. You not understanding that response is not my problem. And as stated they are a union. They'd rather have no imports at all.
I've no idea who pat is.
Should you wish to discuss further. I suggest you actually read the TAC report and NFU responses.unless I have the wormg one, the TAC report was focussed on standards. And answers specific questions asked by HMG. Not impacts to farmers. Although it does note some practices have a cost saving for au farmers.
Have I found the right TAC report to say evidence of no impact?
It focuses on the impact of the trade deal through those means.
So ease tell me. If Australian imports have to meet uk standards.
But the e.u didn't have the meet those standards
How will Australian imports be more imapctful to UK farmers than the e.u
Who do you expect to be moreimpacted the uk or the e.u?
The nfu were concerned with cheap imports not being the same standard as the uk( before even reading the deal) and thus screwing uk farmers.
The TAC comprehensively dismisses that.
So one question I have for you is do you believe statistics are ever skewed to political expediency?
What statistics do you believe has been skewed?
Let’s accept the fact that the ideological hard Brexit didn’t give us really much room to manoeuvre. It made it practically impossible to get an outcome which would have protected British farmers as well as provide meaningful trade with other countries.
The Tory hardliners now realise they cannot have everything their way, the market smacked them so hard they will never recover for many years. I am surprised that Truss’s head isn’t on back to front because of it.
A Norwegian style Brexit which was even touted as the way forward by a vast majority supporters of Brexit, was ignored, like it didn’t matter.
Now the next non-tory government has to pick up the pieces and it will continue to dominate UK politics for years to come. As well as suffering an economic quagmire because of an ideological push for growth at any cost, and enemies who are driven in hatred of the west, and finally the restarting an economy which was battered by a global pandemic.
Many people in this forum saw this coming, many people were also willing to gamble on a better outcome. Well, the dice were rolled and we crapped out.
Better luck next time.
This doesn't make Sense."Well of course it won’t. When it does, come back and try again. | |||
"What the nfu originally said https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/the-nfu-has-responded-to-the-uk-and-australia-trade-deal/ What the TAC said https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-australia-fta-advice-from-trade-and-agriculture-commission What the NFU now says https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/tac-report-on-australia-trade-deal-nfu-response/ Their concerns were that it would allow lower level cheap imports. The TAC slapped that down comprehensively. All they have left is whining about quotas. Even when we were in the e.u Australia and New Zealand had tarriff free quotas they could export meat using They never came close to it" re lower level cheap imports, from what I can see the TAC says AUS can use pesticides whereas UK farmers can't. And this could have cost savings for AUS farmers. And there may be an increase in quantities sold under the agreement. | |||
"What the nfu originally said https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/the-nfu-has-responded-to-the-uk-and-australia-trade-deal/ What the TAC said https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-australia-fta-advice-from-trade-and-agriculture-commission What the NFU now says https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/tac-report-on-australia-trade-deal-nfu-response/ Their concerns were that it would allow lower level cheap imports. The TAC slapped that down comprehensively. All they have left is whining about quotas. Even when we were in the e.u Australia and New Zealand had tarriff free quotas they could export meat using They never came close to itre lower level cheap imports, from what I can see the TAC says AUS can use pesticides whereas UK farmers can't. And this could have cost savings for AUS farmers. And there may be an increase in quantities sold under the agreement. " I assume you see talking about point 1b. The uk can regulate the imports itself and stop such goods fro being imported. It notes that we have this right under wto and that the commonwealth laws prohibit the use of these pesticides in most cases for exports. That para is simply noting that Australia does use those pesticides and that they could be used on products to be imported to the uk should uk change its import standards vs domestic production standards. | |||
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"What the nfu originally said https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/the-nfu-has-responded-to-the-uk-and-australia-trade-deal/ What the TAC said https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-australia-fta-advice-from-trade-and-agriculture-commission What the NFU now says https://www.nfuonline.com/media-centre/releases/tac-report-on-australia-trade-deal-nfu-response/ Their concerns were that it would allow lower level cheap imports. The TAC slapped that down comprehensively. All they have left is whining about quotas. Even when we were in the e.u Australia and New Zealand had tarriff free quotas they could export meat using They never came close to itre lower level cheap imports, from what I can see the TAC says AUS can use pesticides whereas UK farmers can't. And this could have cost savings for AUS farmers. And there may be an increase in quantities sold under the agreement. I assume you see talking about point 1b. The uk can regulate the imports itself and stop such goods fro being imported. It notes that we have this right under wto and that the commonwealth laws prohibit the use of these pesticides in most cases for exports. That para is simply noting that Australia does use those pesticides and that they could be used on products to be imported to the uk should uk change its import standards vs domestic production standards. " question 3 (I went straight to the conclusion) | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. " agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. | |||
"You remind me of centaur who was on here a few years back…he had an agenda that seems quite similar to yours…telling everyone we were stupid and constantly producing figures that seemed plausible but were straight out of the erg songbook…some of us thought he was a bot and others just gave up chatting to him because he was always right "If you can't address any point brought up. I feel that is your shortfall. Not mine? I feel I have provided quite enough backing on my reasoning.ive given official data, I've provided reports , I've shown the legal text under discussion. | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. " We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here. | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here." agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). | |||
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"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here.agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). " I can't see it cannibalising domestic produce hence( I think its in this thread. Earlier I mentioned red tractor) typically uk meat has ALWAYS been more expensive than e.u produced meat. You can see this on adhb.com that analyses carcass prices per kilo Maybe with the recession on hand it might as people flock to aldi. But I think j it's a stretch. I think any cheaper meat will replace other producers of said cheaper meat. As I said. Again earlier in here I think. Australia and New Zealand have wto quotas they could have uses for 20 years. Without tarriffs while we were I tbe e.u They never botheredusing the full quota. I actually think the main impact will be other meats. If I was Australia I would be pushing kangaroo.its cheap. High protein and quite tasty! | |||
"So what’s the take on the fishing industry post Brexit? " What is it you'd like to know. | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here.agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). I can't see it cannibalising domestic produce hence( I think its in this thread. Earlier I mentioned red tractor) typically uk meat has ALWAYS been more expensive than e.u produced meat. You can see this on adhb.com that analyses carcass prices per kilo Maybe with the recession on hand it might as people flock to aldi. But I think j it's a stretch. I think any cheaper meat will replace other producers of said cheaper meat. As I said. Again earlier in here I think. Australia and New Zealand have wto quotas they could have uses for 20 years. Without tarriffs while we were I tbe e.u They never botheredusing the full quota. I actually think the main impact will be other meats. If I was Australia I would be pushing kangaroo.its cheap. High protein and quite tasty!" they had tarrif free quotas without having a FTA? Can you link me up to that? This is new. The TAC suggests some increase in some products (otherwise what's the point?). There is a question of whether it is UK or other products it will canabalise, or if we will start consuming more. Not clear. | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here.agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). I can't see it cannibalising domestic produce hence( I think its in this thread. Earlier I mentioned red tractor) typically uk meat has ALWAYS been more expensive than e.u produced meat. You can see this on adhb.com that analyses carcass prices per kilo Maybe with the recession on hand it might as people flock to aldi. But I think j it's a stretch. I think any cheaper meat will replace other producers of said cheaper meat. As I said. Again earlier in here I think. Australia and New Zealand have wto quotas they could have uses for 20 years. Without tarriffs while we were I tbe e.u They never botheredusing the full quota. I actually think the main impact will be other meats. If I was Australia I would be pushing kangaroo.its cheap. High protein and quite tasty!they had tarrif free quotas without having a FTA? Can you link me up to that? This is new. The TAC suggests some increase in some products (otherwise what's the point?). There is a question of whether it is UK or other products it will canabalise, or if we will start consuming more. Not clear. " I'll have to go onto the wto. Tarriff and quota schedule( which will require my laptop) I am replying on my phone at the moment. All countries had that ( as you will I'm sure knoe mfn comes into play) I'll dig out the old schedules during our membership if I can and post a link. But it can't be worked on my phone. And I am not going to go on fabswingers on my work laptop.?? There will be increases in products. For example I dpnt k ow if you noticed. But beef jerky has now made its way to the uk markets? It'd grown 22% in the last year. It grew 50% from 2013-2016 These are the areas I expect Australia to start coming in. As I alluded toi think australia will concentrate on cheaper meats. But it should also look to open new meat experts to the uk as well as things like Jerky etc. I think the uk will particularly look to fulfilling services | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here.agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). I can't see it cannibalising domestic produce hence( I think its in this thread. Earlier I mentioned red tractor) typically uk meat has ALWAYS been more expensive than e.u produced meat. You can see this on adhb.com that analyses carcass prices per kilo Maybe with the recession on hand it might as people flock to aldi. But I think j it's a stretch. I think any cheaper meat will replace other producers of said cheaper meat. As I said. Again earlier in here I think. Australia and New Zealand have wto quotas they could have uses for 20 years. Without tarriffs while we were I tbe e.u They never botheredusing the full quota. I actually think the main impact will be other meats. If I was Australia I would be pushing kangaroo.its cheap. High protein and quite tasty!they had tarrif free quotas without having a FTA? Can you link me up to that? This is new. The TAC suggests some increase in some products (otherwise what's the point?). There is a question of whether it is UK or other products it will canabalise, or if we will start consuming more. Not clear. I'll have to go onto the wto. Tarriff and quota schedule( which will require my laptop) I am replying on my phone at the moment. All countries had that ( as you will I'm sure knoe mfn comes into play) I'll dig out the old schedules during our membership if I can and post a link. But it can't be worked on my phone. And I am not going to go on fabswingers on my work laptop.?? There will be increases in products. For example I dpnt k ow if you noticed. But beef jerky has now made its way to the uk markets? It'd grown 22% in the last year. It grew 50% from 2013-2016 These are the areas I expect Australia to start coming in. As I alluded toi think australia will concentrate on cheaper meats. But it should also look to open new meat experts to the uk as well as things like Jerky etc. I think the uk will particularly look to fulfilling services "
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"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here.agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). I can't see it cannibalising domestic produce hence( I think its in this thread. Earlier I mentioned red tractor) typically uk meat has ALWAYS been more expensive than e.u produced meat. You can see this on adhb.com that analyses carcass prices per kilo Maybe with the recession on hand it might as people flock to aldi. But I think j it's a stretch. I think any cheaper meat will replace other producers of said cheaper meat. As I said. Again earlier in here I think. Australia and New Zealand have wto quotas they could have uses for 20 years. Without tarriffs while we were I tbe e.u They never botheredusing the full quota. I actually think the main impact will be other meats. If I was Australia I would be pushing kangaroo.its cheap. High protein and quite tasty!they had tarrif free quotas without having a FTA? Can you link me up to that? This is new. The TAC suggests some increase in some products (otherwise what's the point?). There is a question of whether it is UK or other products it will canabalise, or if we will start consuming more. Not clear. I'll have to go onto the wto. Tarriff and quota schedule( which will require my laptop) I am replying on my phone at the moment. All countries had that ( as you will I'm sure knoe mfn comes into play) I'll dig out the old schedules during our membership if I can and post a link. But it can't be worked on my phone. And I am not going to go on fabswingers on my work laptop.?? There will be increases in products. For example I dpnt k ow if you noticed. But beef jerky has now made its way to the uk markets? It'd grown 22% in the last year. It grew 50% from 2013-2016 These are the areas I expect Australia to start coming in. As I alluded toi think australia will concentrate on cheaper meats. But it should also look to open new meat experts to the uk as well as things like Jerky etc. I think the uk will particularly look to fulfilling services
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"So what’s the take on the fishing industry post Brexit? What is it you'd like to know. " The public view seems to be that brexit has been an absolute disaster for our shellfish fishermen with a complete collapse of the supply chain as a result of increases in paperwork and delays at customs. Do you have a view on this? | |||
"So what’s the take on the fishing industry post Brexit? What is it you'd like to know. The public view seems to be that brexit has been an absolute disaster for our shellfish fishermen with a complete collapse of the supply chain as a result of increases in paperwork and delays at customs. Do you have a view on this?" Shellfish have suffered. Particularly due tk the e.u withdrawing the ability to clean catches in eu factories after landing them( something the e.u reneged on) Overall the fishing industry has seen increases in revenue though. | |||
"So what’s the take on the fishing industry post Brexit? What is it you'd like to know. The public view seems to be that brexit has been an absolute disaster for our shellfish fishermen with a complete collapse of the supply chain as a result of increases in paperwork and delays at customs. Do you have a view on this? Shellfish have suffered. Particularly due tk the e.u withdrawing the ability to clean catches in eu factories after landing them( something the e.u reneged on) Overall the fishing industry has seen increases in revenue though. " Not sure I believe that last statement as the price of fish has increased so wondering if that revenue indicates greater profit or higher costs? Also don’t forget that one of the big promises of Brexit was to look after our fisheries along with the often mentioned £350million pounds a week for the NHS | |||
"So what’s the take on the fishing industry post Brexit? What is it you'd like to know. The public view seems to be that brexit has been an absolute disaster for our shellfish fishermen with a complete collapse of the supply chain as a result of increases in paperwork and delays at customs. Do you have a view on this? Shellfish have suffered. Particularly due tk the e.u withdrawing the ability to clean catches in eu factories after landing them( something the e.u reneged on) Overall the fishing industry has seen increases in revenue though. Not sure I believe that last statement as the price of fish has increased so wondering if that revenue indicates greater profit or higher costs? Also don’t forget that one of the big promises of Brexit was to look after our fisheries along with the often mentioned £350million pounds a week for the NHS "The nhs received more funding than the 375m a week it was signed into law under the TM government until 2024. It ended up being 394m E.u imports for all fish crustaceans etc fell 160m kilos from 190m to 36.8m 2019 vs 2022 Uk exports fell 65m from 195m to 130m 2019 vs 2022 Fishermen are bow able to earn more of a living by supply domestically to the uk market without as much competition. You can search all these stats yourself on uktradeinfo.com/trade-data | |||
"Essentially Australia hasn't banned the pesticides. The uk has. Therefore should the uk allow imports using those pesticides. Uk farmers would be undercut. The uk hasn't lowered import standards though. agreed. And farmers being undercut isn't good for UK farmers. Standards haven't been lowered... But it reads like we hold UK farmers to higher standards than RoW. And we expect more of some of these imported goods to sold. We can't force other farmers in other coutnries to change their domestic production methods? I am not sure what people want here.agreed. I think yeh point is the FTA makes it easier for AUS farmera to import and the tarrifs that offset the lower cost if production has been removed. And that may canabalise some doemwtic produced products. So this FTA may have a negative impact in some UK farmers. People can have different views if that's acceptable. But my reading of how this thread turned was that there was a claim that farmers have been thrown under the bus (imo, hyperbole, true in direction but not magnitude). I can't see it cannibalising domestic produce hence( I think its in this thread. Earlier I mentioned red tractor) typically uk meat has ALWAYS been more expensive than e.u produced meat. You can see this on adhb.com that analyses carcass prices per kilo Maybe with the recession on hand it might as people flock to aldi. But I think j it's a stretch. I think any cheaper meat will replace other producers of said cheaper meat. As I said. Again earlier in here I think. Australia and New Zealand have wto quotas they could have uses for 20 years. Without tarriffs while we were I tbe e.u They never botheredusing the full quota. I actually think the main impact will be other meats. If I was Australia I would be pushing kangaroo.its cheap. High protein and quite tasty!they had tarrif free quotas without having a FTA? Can you link me up to that? This is new. The TAC suggests some increase in some products (otherwise what's the point?). There is a question of whether it is UK or other products it will canabalise, or if we will start consuming more. Not clear. " If you go google "agriculture.com.au eu tarriff rates and quotas beef imports" You will see the e.u quotas at zero tarriff for Australia from 2009 until 2022 it should show as a title of " high quality beef and grain fee beef quotas " It should show you the quota total a d the total used. | |||
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