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If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion |
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion"
Did she say something about the Tories there recently? |
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion"
It was a opinion of Tory policy etc rather than individuals.
Truss' comment about Sturgeon and her lack of contact certainly isn't acceptable.
Typical Tories though, think that they can navigate the post-brexit world successfully and insult the other leaders along the way...
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion
Did she say something about the Tories there recently?"
She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe |
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion
Did she say something about the Tories there recently?
She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe "
Ah found it
"I detest the Tories and everything they stand for"
Can't argue with her on that. |
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion
Did she say something about the Tories there recently?
She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe
Ah found it
"I detest the Tories and everything they stand for"
Can't argue with her on that."
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion
Did she say something about the Tories there recently?
She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe
Ah found it
"I detest the Tories and everything they stand for"
Can't argue with her on that."
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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way.
 but replace “whinging ” with “lying”
What lies ?"
There was i thinking the tories had a monopoly on lies. But maybe its contagious. |
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Sturgeon claims to speak for the people of Scotland. She is constantly saying how they are so upset that about not having a vote that they are, in a time of individual financial hardship, happy to have £30 million of their money spent on a plebiscite on independence which has no legal value.
She says she will present the economic case for independence soon. That will be very interesting to see. |
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ? 
Why should she"
The law of the land perhaps?
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
Why should she"
Because she said she would respect the outcome ?
Then again there’s not time limit set so I could take 10 years  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence 
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
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Let’s have a referendum and find out |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out "
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close? |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out "
I’m all for it then maybe sturgeon and the SNP will finally shut up
But probably not |
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
I’m all for it then maybe sturgeon and the SNP will finally shut up
But probably not "
Is silencing voices of dissent important to you? |
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By *lixerMan
over a year ago
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Normality is inevitable. Clingy England will eventually have to learn to stand alone for the first time in 1,000 years. Been leaching it and lording it over other nations since god was a boy. |
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
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She's mad if she's angling for a referendum with such a slim lead. That sort of margin could easily disappear overnight with one wrong word from someone in an interview.
If I were her I'd keep my mouth shut and wait till the polls say at least 60% for. |
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
She's mad if she's angling for a referendum with such a slim lead. That sort of margin could easily disappear overnight with one wrong word from someone in an interview.
If I were her I'd keep my mouth shut and wait till the polls say at least 60% for."
The Scottish Nationalist ScotGov are not so good with numbers … |
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over a year ago
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?"
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ? "
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close "
how did that workout in the harmony stakes  |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
I’m all for it then maybe sturgeon and the SNP will finally shut up
But probably not
Is silencing voices of dissent important to you?"
No just gets on me wick |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her. "
It’s the only thing she stands for |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It’s not just the SNP or Sturgeon
If a combination of SNP, Alba, Greens and Scottish Socialists beat the 50% at the next GE which is very likely then she will get her referendum |
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her.
It’s the only thing she stands for "
It's the only thing she wants; irrespective of the pain and disruption it will inflict on the people and economy of Scotland. The only winner will be the egos of Sturgeon and her cohort. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"It’s not just the SNP or Sturgeon
If a combination of SNP, Alba, Greens and Scottish Socialists beat the 50% at the next GE which is very likely then she will get her referendum"
Yes she did say the snp plus others that want a referendum gaining 50% or more but not sure how that gets another referendum if Westminster continue to say no |
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her. "
Yes ignore her. Ultimately she is nothing more than a regional administrator. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her.
It’s the only thing she stands for
It's the only thing she wants; irrespective of the pain and disruption it will inflict on the people and economy of Scotland. The only winner will be the egos of Sturgeon and her cohort. "
Yup ther will be even more devision in scotland not less famillies falling out ect |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If everything you say is true regarding division etc why is she still FM
She has survived how many Prime Ministers, Scottish Unionist Leaders in her time.
Believe me she has the support of the majority of Scots
Unionists in here are a minority
People forget Scotland especially since Thatcher is a very Socialist, Republican country except for the blue nosed, blue tinted glasses bigoted Rangers supporters blinded not by politics but by religion and tainted history
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By (user no longer on site)
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That 50-50 split is not quite accurate
50% who vote YES are fundamentally SNP members who will vote that way regardless
20-25% are Unionists who are on the other side
The rest are sitting on the fence watching the Supreme Court and waiting on Truss making her next clusterfuck decision re-Scotland before casting any sort of vote.
Unlike 2014 where Salmond had a Plan A and no back up Sturgeon, has learned from his mistakes she has various back ups and the more the PM continues to “ignore” not only Sturgeon but whatever the Court decides the more divisive that vote between YES/NO becomes.
Should Truss continue with her stance the less Democratic this becomes the more ammunition she hands to the Scottish People because in the end SNP is the wrong wording for the party name it is by all accounts the Scottish Peoples Party
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Discussion this morning with a cousin from across the water that where Scotland vote at the ballot box to no avail
In Ulster the IRA voted with bombs and Kalashnikov and they could very well end up with Independence long before Scotland |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Discussion this morning with a cousin from across the water that where Scotland vote at the ballot box to no avail
In Ulster the IRA voted with bombs and Kalashnikov and they could very well end up with Independence long before Scotland "
Your views towards your opposition seem to fit in nicely with your last few posts.
"blinded not by politics but by religion and tainted history" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m blinded by nothing mate
Ex military who fought for his country and is now so sickened with the politics that like the rest of the former Empire maybe just maybe Scotland would be better managing herself |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I’m blinded by nothing mate
Ex military who fought for his country and is now so sickened with the politics that like the rest of the former Empire maybe just maybe Scotland would be better managing herself "
How? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close
how did that workout in the harmony stakes "
Badly, are you suggesting we shouldn’t have had the Brexit referendum? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Take this Forum just for an instance
How many threads in here are anti Tory or anti Truss.
The rest of the UK is sick of how this government is going from one disaster to another.
Economy is in disarray, pound is crashing, in fighting within the ruling party etc etc etc
It’s the same old rhetoric we in Scotland have argued against for decades.
We need either a General Election or Scotland has to break away |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close
how did that workout in the harmony stakes
Badly, are you suggesting we shouldn’t have had the Brexit referendum?"
Yep, that is exactly what I am saying.
Holding a referendum on in or out of the EU was a politically motivated plan. Leaving the EU was of no real interest to the vast majority the British public until it started getting pushed as an answer to UKIP popularity.
I don't need to go into the mess that followed as it is well documented
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Take this Forum just for an instance
How many threads in here are anti Tory or anti Truss.
The rest of the UK is sick of how this government is going from one disaster to another.
Economy is in disarray, pound is crashing, in fighting within the ruling party etc etc etc
It’s the same old rhetoric we in Scotland have argued against for decades.
We need either a General Election or Scotland has to break away "
The above problems wont go away they will happen again and again, whoever is in power.
What I would like to know is how Scotland will drive a viable economy, prosper and develop.
How will Scotland evolve, the thought of joining the EU is fraught with issues for borders and trade.
I would like to understand the plan. |
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It surprises me that with all the post brexit turmoil and global economic crisis that we’re in just now
That the snp believe that Scotland will be all sweetness and light after gaining independence.
1 of the big issues I have is if Scotland gets independence then there will be the requirement for a hard border between Scotland and Ruk and for a country who’s economy is heavily reliant on exports that’s going to cause huge delays and financial costs on exports.
For example the fishing industry is heavily reliant on road transport to reach markets in France and Europe so all the trucks will either have a 20+hr sailing from rosyth (that currently doesn’t have a ferry) or to clear customs at Carlisle or Berwick and then again at the exit port from England. And we’ve all seen the chaos that had with just clearing customs at Dover post brexit |
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For a kick off, being able to manage our own money.
Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income.
EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett
Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that
How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline
We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for
UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett
This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"For a kick off, being able to manage our own money.
Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income.
EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett
Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that
How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline
We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for
UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett
This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster
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I can hear you are not happy, but what are the solutions for Scotland, is it only go alone?
From gov.scot: In 2020-21, Scotland (including a geographical share of North Sea revenue) raised £62.8 billion in 2020-21, compared to £99.2 billion of public spending for Scotland. How is this being balanced out?
Also, where does this idea of not being tied to Westminster stop? Northumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk? |
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close
how did that workout in the harmony stakes
Badly, are you suggesting we shouldn’t have had the Brexit referendum?
Yep, that is exactly what I am saying.
Holding a referendum on in or out of the EU was a politically motivated plan. Leaving the EU was of no real interest to the vast majority the British public until it started getting pushed as an answer to UKIP popularity.
I don't need to go into the mess that followed as it is well documented
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I agree with you there, but it was the ‘will of the people’ , apparently |
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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago
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"For a kick off, being able to manage our own money.
Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income.
EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett
Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that
How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline
We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for
UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett
This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster
I can hear you are not happy, but what are the solutions for Scotland, is it only go alone?
From gov.scot: In 2020-21, Scotland (including a geographical share of North Sea revenue) raised £62.8 billion in 2020-21, compared to £99.2 billion of public spending for Scotland. How is this being balanced out?
Also, where does this idea of not being tied to Westminster stop? Northumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk?"
If parts of scotland vote to remainin UK should they be allowed to & not be part of an Independent scotland. It will be their will & Democratic right as we are constantly told. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"For a kick off, being able to manage our own money.
Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income.
EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett
Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that
How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline
We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for
UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett
This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster
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I get why people want a second referendum given the fact about being told last time they would still be in the EU if they voted to remain part of the UK. Ideally the current court case will grant them the right so it's legal. If they have to go for the back up plan of a de facto referendum at the next GE I can see Westminster just saying its not a legal referendum therefore no change. As for the currency which often comes up, Scotland seems to want to use the pound for a while. This of course means they will not have fiscal control and have to accept whatever the BOE and Westminster wants to do. |
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum.
Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
Why should she
The law of the land perhaps?
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Most courts have an appeal system so thats what she should do,but i see it going to the un as all countries have the right to self determination |
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By (user no longer on site)
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British media frame Sturgeon as an idiot. We went to Scotland recently, it is far nicer than England. A huge element of that was the fact it felt less over populated, with only 5 to 6 million folk there. We didnt notice any major issues and felt safe when we went to Edinburgh, though British media would make you think it's horrible up there. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"British media frame Sturgeon as an idiot. We went to Scotland recently, it is far nicer than England. A huge element of that was the fact it felt less over populated, with only 5 to 6 million folk there. We didnt notice any major issues and felt safe when we went to Edinburgh, though British media would make you think it's horrible up there."
I disagree that the media make Scotland look horrible, in fact the opposite. It often portrays the beauty of Scotland. It has its problems, Glasgow and drugs for example but that is a fact as is the fact that Edinburgh is a wealthy city and the highlands of Scotland have some of the most stunning landscapes on earth.
Sturgeon, on the other hand is excellent at projecting her own image, you take from that what you want. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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I was recently talking to an old friend, who now lives on Shetland.
He's of the opinion that Shetland and the Orkneys are dead against independence. They have never returned an SNP MP, and the SNP struggle to increase vote share.
Should Ms Sturgeon eventually get her way, then they would ask for their own referendum, favouring an Isle of Man style of governance.
I'm assuming that Ms Sturgeon would allow this, as it would be "the will of the people". |
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"I was recently talking to an old friend, who now lives on Shetland.
He's of the opinion that Shetland and the Orkneys are dead against independence. They have never returned an SNP MP, and the SNP struggle to increase vote share.
Should Ms Sturgeon eventually get her way, then they would ask for their own referendum, favouring an Isle of Man style of governance.
I'm assuming that Ms Sturgeon would allow this, as it would be "the will of the people". "
Dont see a problem with that |
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No way will that be allowed to happen. This Scottish government is all about centralised power. They unfortunately like in Westminster are incompetent failure upon failure at the moment is our lot. |
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