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Goverment Guaranteed Pricing - don't fall in the trap

By *rFunBoy OP Man over a year ago

Longridge

Many are wrongly assuming that £2,500 is the maximum you will pay for Energy, regardless of how much is used. This is not the case as the discount is per kwh and not the gross. Therefore, if your property uses more Energy, you'll pay more.

The reality is that Energy is still rising 19% above what happened back in April to aroind 34p/kwh.

I've put details to calculate your own actual bill further down.

Liz Truss keeps falsely representing the £2500 CAP as the maximum you'll pay. If she was in business Advertising and Trading Standards would have something to say about the way it is being suggested.

Examples savings based on your type of home. For households in Great Britain, under the new Energy Price Guarantee, the average home will save an average of £1,000 and the average flat will save £700 on typical Bills - 2019 median consumption (Dual fuel, annual basis).

Type October price - Government Energy Price Guarantee then the last figure in brackets is expected reduction.

All Dwellings Average - 'the magic'

Average - £3,550 - £2,500 - (£1,050)

Houses:

Houses £3,800 - £2,650 - (£1,150)

Detached £4,700 - £3,300 - (£1,400)

Semi Detached £3,800 - £2,650 - (£1,150)

End Terraced £3,500 - £2,450 -( £1,050)

Mid Terraced £3,300 - £2,350 - (£950)

Bungalow £3,500 - £2,450 - (£1,050)

Flats:

Flats £2,450 - £1,750 - ( £700)

Converted flat £2,750 - £1,950 - (£800)

Purpose built flat £2,400 - £1,750 - (£650)

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How to calculate your own:

Standing Charges

£168 - Electricity

£102 - Gas

£270 Total annual combined

Fuel: Kwh rates Inc VAT:

Electricity £0.34

Annual kwh multiplied by £0.34

Gas £0.103

Annual kwh multiplied by £0.103

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Standing charges

Average standing charges for customers on default tariffs will remain capped in line with the levels set (in Great Britain) by Ofgem for the default tariff cap from 1 October, at 46p per day for electricity and 28p per day for gas, for a typical dual fuel customer paying by direct debit. Standing charges for households in Northern Ireland will also be unaffected.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man over a year ago

Longridge

Did anyone take on board posts earlier in the year in regards boiler Maximum output?

This was not flow temperatures, it was the intensity that the boiler consumes gas and set correctly, van save up to 22% on consumption for the same effect.

My 36kw gas boiler is set to 12kwh heat output on Central Heating meaning it burns slower and steady. Flow return temp is 50 degrees meaning it is condensing and at maximum efficiency.

I can control each individual radiator using an app and heat only the rooms I am using via it.

Running a bath, turning down the rate of water also slows the internal fan and slows down combustion to allow more heat transfer before being list in the flue.

My annual gas is 50% lower by doing this.

You'll need an engineer to check the maximum output settings and if you are having a new boiler, insist heat loading is checked as 90% of boilers fitted by lazy installers don't leave them throttled down.

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By *I TwoCouple over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Did anyone take on board posts earlier in the year in regards boiler Maximum output?

This was not flow temperatures, it was the intensity that the boiler consumes gas and set correctly, van save up to 22% on consumption for the same effect.

My 36kw gas boiler is set to 12kwh heat output on Central Heating meaning it burns slower and steady. Flow return temp is 50 degrees meaning it is condensing and at maximum efficiency.

I can control each individual radiator using an app and heat only the rooms I am using via it.

Running a bath, turning down the rate of water also slows the internal fan and slows down combustion to allow more heat transfer before being list in the flue.

My annual gas is 50% lower by doing this.

If you can save 50% on gas then either

Your not heating the house as much

Your boiler is too big

Your boiler is fucked

Basic physics

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By *exy_HornyCouple over a year ago

Leigh

If you can save 50% on gas then either

Your not heating the house as much

Your boiler is too big

Your boiler is fucked

Basic physics

Not true. A condensing boiler needs to run within a temperature band which allows water to condense in the flue to be most efficient. It is better to run a slightly larger boiler in the efficient zone than it is to flog an under sized one flat out.

Search "opentherm" for more explanation, although most boilers aren't easily compatible with this as the manufaturers want to sell over priced proprietary controls.

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By *I TwoCouple over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

If you can save 50% on gas then either

Your not heating the house as much

Your boiler is too big

Your boiler is fucked

Basic physics

Search "opentherm" for more explanation, although most boilers aren't easily compatible with this as the manufaturers want to sell over priced proprietary controls."

I allowed for that, 50% ???

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By *rFunBoy OP Man over a year ago

Longridge

If you can save 50% on gas then either

Your not heating the house as much

Your boiler is too big

Your boiler is fucked

Basic physics

Search "opentherm" for more explanation, although most boilers aren't easily compatible with this as the manufaturers want to sell over priced proprietary controls."

The biggest saving beyond turning the boilers max output, flow temp is by using TUYA Zigbee remote valves connected to TCP Smart App.

Working at home, I press Office Boost - this wirelessly shuts every radiator off except the office and fires the boiler for 10 minutes, more than enough to heat the single room.

Then, there are timers:

Morning

Bedroom, Lounge and Bathroom

Daytime - Weekdays

Office

Daytime - Weekends

Lounge, landing and kitchen(low)

After 6pm

Main rooms, non main set to Eco (17)

All automatic and "Alexa - run boiler 40 mins" radiators already configured for when heat arrives.

So, boiler running absolute max efficiency and save 50% of Gas by tight control where and how much the heat goes.

Today, sun showed its face for two hours, that gave me 9kwh which went into Air Conditioners and Lounge fan heater, this lifted house from 15'C to 24'C and is naturally cooling right now so no need for heating from gas tonight.

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Not looked into Opentherm but believe it calculates the heat loading and adjusts output to suite to stop boiler over working?

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By *rFunBoy OP Man over a year ago

Longridge

As I only heat 50% of the house using gas so save 50%.

While Solar available, the whole house gets heated and dehumidified.

Currently waiting Snall Claims date on Engineer who fitted mum's and charged her £1200 claiming it was high efficiency and saving gas to old one.

Problems:

Flow return temp 75'C.

Boiler output 95% of 33kw

- 2 bed end terrace needing 8kwh.

No radiators balanced.

Claiming £650 refund plus compensation for two years excess gas consumption.

I don't lose court hearings.

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