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By *usybee73 OP   Man  over a year ago

in the sticks

Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it? "

I guess they would bankrupt on the property alone, so makes sense to me.

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By *uddy laneMan  over a year ago

dudley

Do any of them actually pay tax. ?

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By *ardiffCoupleNJCouple  over a year ago

Pontypridd/Rhyfelin


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it? "

The Royals are a bit of a special case to be fair, and I suppose you either support the Royal family or you think they should be rid of.

However, many do seem to believe whole swathes of the population are contributing to the tax income of this country by paying inheritance tax.

In actual fact, according to government statistics, less that 4% of deaths result in the payment of any inheritance tax at all.....

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By *coptoCouple  over a year ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

"In actual fact, according to government statistics, less that 4% of deaths result in the payment of any inheritance tax at all....."

Yes, but when you come to dispose of those assets that you "under-valued" to avoid or lessen IHT, you'll get copped for Capital Gains Tax!

Unless you're a Royal, of course...

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By *eroy1000Man  over a year ago

milton keynes


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it? "

Is it fair anyone pays inheritance tax

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By *usybee73 OP   Man  over a year ago

in the sticks


"Do any of them actually pay tax. ?"

Oh they do, but especially Charlie gets quite a bit eu grants, would put up links but don't want a ban, again

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan  over a year ago

Gilfach


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?"

The royals are obliged to pay inheritance tax, but the crown isn't.

Charlie doesn't personally own Buckingham Palace, it's owned by the crown and can't be sold. He hasn't actually inherited the palace, he's just become the person entitled to control it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?

The royals are obliged to pay inheritance tax, but the crown isn't.

Charlie doesn't personally own Buckingham Palace, it's owned by the crown and can't be sold. He hasn't actually inherited the palace, he's just become the person entitled to control it."

I haven't read the details, but there was a rule change for the royals incase of two successive deaths ... As the queen mums stuff would have gone from he to the queen to Charles, taking out (in theory) just under 80pc of value.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?

Is it fair anyone pays inheritance tax"

imo, it's a pretty good way of redistributing wealth. Of all the taxes, it's my favourite.

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By *usybee73 OP   Man  over a year ago

in the sticks


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?

Is it fair anyone pays inheritance taximo, it's a pretty good way of redistributing wealth. Of all the taxes, it's my favourite. "

As long as everyone pays it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?

Is it fair anyone pays inheritance taximo, it's a pretty good way of redistributing wealth. Of all the taxes, it's my favourite.

As long as everyone pays it? "

makes it less effective as a wealth redistributing tax ...

(I say this as someone who probably will have IHT on my estate... So it's not because it's advantagous for me. Tbh I'm also pro higher income tax at higher levels... Albeit id rather target wealth than income)

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By *coptoCouple  over a year ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?"

depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

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By *lecom1Couple  over a year ago

Stornoway

No inheritance tax in the Isle of Man

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By *ebjonnsonMan  over a year ago

Maldon


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it? "

Sadly, Labour Party are fucking hopeless.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here. "

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it?

Sadly, Labour Party are fucking hopeless. "

For once we agree Seb! The Labour Party are hopeless on this.

They should be shouting from the rooftops to tax those royal parasites.

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes."

Commonly agreed by who?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who? "

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data""

Are you against people earning more than others?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others? "

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours."

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings? "

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group."

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?"

Actually, yes.

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

Actually, yes."

Why would anyone try to achieve, to study or to be an entrepreneur if everyone was paid the same.

Would we stall or thrive as a nation?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

Actually, yes.

Why would anyone try to achieve, to study or to be an entrepreneur if everyone was paid the same.

Would we stall or thrive as a nation?"

We live in a society where there's more than enough money for every single person to live comfortably and have what they need and want, but the wealth is hoarded by the few.

If everyone knew they could live comfortably, in a developed and wealthy country, people would strive to do the jobs and careers that they want to do because they actually want to do it, not just for money.

People would go through school working to get a career they love, only having to think what they'd enjoy to do.

A bin worker works just as hard as an office clerk. A nurse works just as hard as a lawyer.

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

Actually, yes.

Why would anyone try to achieve, to study or to be an entrepreneur if everyone was paid the same.

Would we stall or thrive as a nation?

We live in a society where there's more than enough money for every single person to live comfortably and have what they need and want, but the wealth is hoarded by the few.

If everyone knew they could live comfortably, in a developed and wealthy country, people would strive to do the jobs and careers that they want to do because they actually want to do it, not just for money.

People would go through school working to get a career they love, only having to think what they'd enjoy to do.

A bin worker works just as hard as an office clerk. A nurse works just as hard as a lawyer. "

What happens if I don't get the job I enjoy, because too many people applied for the roles I wanted to do?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

Actually, yes.

Why would anyone try to achieve, to study or to be an entrepreneur if everyone was paid the same.

Would we stall or thrive as a nation?

We live in a society where there's more than enough money for every single person to live comfortably and have what they need and want, but the wealth is hoarded by the few.

If everyone knew they could live comfortably, in a developed and wealthy country, people would strive to do the jobs and careers that they want to do because they actually want to do it, not just for money.

People would go through school working to get a career they love, only having to think what they'd enjoy to do.

A bin worker works just as hard as an office clerk. A nurse works just as hard as a lawyer.

What happens if I don't get the job I enjoy, because too many people applied for the roles I wanted to do?

"

That also happens now doesn't it??

I guess in an alternative system, instead of being on the dole, you'd be helped to find an alternative career that you could enjoy.

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

Actually, yes.

Why would anyone try to achieve, to study or to be an entrepreneur if everyone was paid the same.

Would we stall or thrive as a nation?

We live in a society where there's more than enough money for every single person to live comfortably and have what they need and want, but the wealth is hoarded by the few.

If everyone knew they could live comfortably, in a developed and wealthy country, people would strive to do the jobs and careers that they want to do because they actually want to do it, not just for money.

People would go through school working to get a career they love, only having to think what they'd enjoy to do.

A bin worker works just as hard as an office clerk. A nurse works just as hard as a lawyer.

What happens if I don't get the job I enjoy, because too many people applied for the roles I wanted to do?

That also happens now doesn't it??

I guess in an alternative system, instead of being on the dole, you'd be helped to find an alternative career that you could enjoy."

Everyone I know are in their dream jobs, I don't, how will I be supported?

If I don't want to work, because

I don't enjoy work, what now?

I've got an idea, a luxury car, how do I get this idea off the ground? Who is my target audience, or would we all be driving the same cars?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I guess it depends what you want from society doesn't it.

If you want a massive disparity in wealth, ever increasing numbers of billionaires whilst at the other end, the rest of us face pay cuts and increasing bills, many choosing between heating and eating, then we carry on with this system.

I think we can and should aim for something better.

Our system is based on ever increasing growth, on a planet with limited resources. There's only one outcome from that, and we are starting to see it. If we want to save the planet and save ourselves then we can't do it under this system.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan  over a year ago

Gilfach


"It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax."


"Commonly agreed by who?"


"Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data""

If you're going to get your economic 'facts' from Tax Research UK, you'll need to get used to being laughed at.

Richard Murphy's definition is far from being universally agreed. Try typing "regressive tax" into Google and see how many different definitions you get on the first page alone.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan  over a year ago

Gilfach


"It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group."

All of the above is true.

It's also true to say that low income workers pay less VAT than their better off neighbors, and that the vast majority of VAT income is derived from rich people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is it fair the royals not obliged to pay any? And yet the labour party say nothing about it? "

Remember what HMRC stands for

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By *ustintime69Man  over a year ago

london

So I wonder about the nature of paying tax versus just paying for services and the idea of entrepreneurship versus a safe and steady career, or at least just a job. Emotionally I want everybody to have enough money to enjoy life and to feel respected for whatever they do but I understand that the desire to succeed and create something and to receive a very good reward for that drives many people to ignore the suffering of others. Is this the fault of successive governments skewing the economy and taxation away from progressive investment in our own country and towards international financial services (essentially gambling) in order to crush the unions and has this led to our country’s declining status and financial precariousness? You have 2 hours and 500 words starting now

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Accept the royals do pay inheritance tax and general taxes.

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By *dnlawCouple  over a year ago

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"The fairest tax of all is surely VAT (someone who can afford a Bentley can pay more tax than somebody who can only run to a Ford)?

I wonder if the Royals pay VAT?depends what you call fair... It's subjective here.

It is commonly agreed that VAT is a particularly regressive (i.e. unfair) tax, as those who are poorer tend to spend much more of their income as a proportion, and therefore tend to spend much more of their earnings on tax.

If you want to look at the fairest, then it's clearly to have graduated tax bands that rise significantly if you earn more, and to look at higher inheritance tax. These are the most progressive taxes.

Commonly agreed by who?

Most, if not all, economists. It can easily be shown to be the case. Do you disagree?

For example, from the Tax Research UK website:

"As the Tax Research briefing argues, a regressive tax is almost universally agreed to be one where the proportion of an individual’s income expended on that tax falls as they progress up the income scale. VAT is a regressive tax. This is shown, quite dramatically, in the graph below which is based on UK official data"

Are you against people earning more than others?

This is a very different question isn't it.

You answer mine then I'll answer yours.

That quote doesn't make sense to me. VAT is equal, I pay the same as you.

You could earn 10x more than me and spend 100x more on luxury items than me.

How would VAT work on sliding scale based on earnings?

It means that in general, the higher earners have much more disposable income, they spend some, they put some into savings etc.

Lower earners have to spend the vast majority of their income every month, if not all of it.

Therefore those on lower earnings spend a greater proportion of their income, and therefore pay a greater proportion of their income goes out on VAT also. Statistics are really clear that the lowest 10% of earners pay a higher proportion of their wages on VAT than any other group.

Your turn to answer my question.

Do you think everyone should be paid the same?

Actually, yes."

That's a sure fire route to mediocrity at best, race to bottom at worst.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Parliament swears loyalty to the Crown, not to the people or democracy. It is there purely as an insulation barrier so the people direct their anger at random elected nobodies instead of the real people who hold power.

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