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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested." Boris got sacked .. well it's close l | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested." Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it." There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it." Why not go back? Why continue to back a fundamentally flawed decision when that decision can be reviewed and reversed? | |||
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"Well if its most forums the mods will remove anything that doesn't support the remainer cause. So whats the point in a discussion." What's "the remainer cause"? | |||
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"Well if its most forums the mods will remove anything that doesn't support the remainer cause. So whats the point in a discussion." Post a benefit of Brexit and let’s see if it gets removed? | |||
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"Well if its most forums the mods will remove anything that doesn't support the remainer cause. So whats the point in a discussion. Post a benefit of Brexit and let’s see if it gets removed? "  | |||
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"Well if its most forums the mods will remove anything that doesn't support the remainer cause. So whats the point in a discussion. What's "the remainer cause"? " Whinging and whinging and whinging about a second referendum and doing all they can to stab 17.4 million voters in the back by forcing the country back into the EU, like a prison sentence to hell. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none." 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you." Yeah no just no. 40 years of control and theft. 39 Billion a year for what? Jog on. The EU destroyed this country and now its time to restore it. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you. Yeah no just no. 40 years of control and theft. 39 Billion a year for what? Jog on. The EU destroyed this country and now its time to restore it. " Oh dear, the innocence of youth... | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision." I was like yourself 50:50. I thought Brexit might bring better wages for working people, that doesn't seem to have materialised. I like to go by my own personal al experience. One thing I have noticed is less choice of fruit and veg and shortage of them. Is that Brexit or the hot summer and fires we have had. So maybe climate change. Another downside I have experienced is all the car garages are mega busy and appointment times are long. I recently had car leaking coolant. My usual garage quoted me a booking over a month away. Another guy I used, who always use to say, bring it in tomorrow, said 2 weeks. Eventually got a garage to see it sooner. Car was in the garage a week. Because the part coming from Germany which use to take 1 day now can take 3 or 4. A friend in the trade said staff shortages and delay in parts is causing all these issues. Would be interesting to here from someone on here in the trade. Benefits, I personally haven't seen any. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you. Yeah no just no. 40 years of control and theft. 39 Billion a year for what? Jog on. The EU destroyed this country and now its time to restore it. " When did we pay £39 billion a year? Have you found ‘Just one benefit’ ? | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none." "40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent... " I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit. | |||
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"Well if its most forums the mods will remove anything that doesn't support the remainer cause. So whats the point in a discussion. What's "the remainer cause"? Whinging and whinging and whinging about a second referendum and doing all they can to stab 17.4 million voters in the back by forcing the country back into the EU, like a prison sentence to hell. " Haven't seen any of whining, just people poking fun at those who still think brexit is a good idea, despite the reality of brexit. Haven't seen any calls for a third referendum in a long long time. (FYI We've had two so far). Where are you seeing people say these things? | |||
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"It is difficult to see any benefits yet as the loony left wokies who proliferate in the Civil Service have thwarted every attempt to diverge from the European way they consider ideal. Hopefully many more of them will find themselves in the same position as their former boss." Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff?" It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent... I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit." I think that is a very naive position that fails to take account of geopolitics. We know Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum. It has been reported that MI6 told Theresa May the vote was compromised. This has now been backed up by US Intelligence. We know people like Aaron Banks has shady dealings with Russia and cannot/will no account for £millions pumped onto the Leave campaign. Putin wanted to destabilise the West. To weaken it in any way possible to reduce the chance of a united front. (Also Stupidly the EU allowed itself to become reliant on Russian Gas) Brexit was only the first success because his “agents” have also been stoking anti EU nationalist tendencies in most/all other EU member states. | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier." The civil service enacts govt legislation. Just wondering what evidence there is to support your assertions? Or maybe its just the case that the Brexit benefits we were promised simply never existed? | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier." Then why did you bring race into it by talking about "wokies"? Which EU rules (the vast majority of which British MEPs voted for), would you like to see removed? | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier." Is this opinion or fact? Do you work in or with the Civil Service? I can tell you your statement is utter nonsense. The Civil Service is apolitical (unlike in many countries). Their role is to serve the Govt of the day by providing unbiased, balanced advice on ALL situations. They are required to undertake risk analysis and due diligence on all policy proposals to ensure the probable impacts and outcomes are fully understood. Then having provides that advice they enact whatever policies pass parliamentary scrutiny and become legislation. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent... I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit." That was NATO, not the EU | |||
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"Then why did you bring race into it by talking about "wokies"? Which EU rules (the vast majority of which British MEPs voted for), would you like to see removed? " The wokies are so preoccupied with creating division in society by highlighting differences between people that they can't do any proper work. Generating useless self-serving industries such as those around "equality and diversity training" and reducing the eligible talent pool for jobs using diversity quotas. Everybody should get the same chance of getting any job irrespective of age, gender, race, sexual orientation etc. Jobs should be awarded on merit not quotas. As for EU rules, most of them are pretty useless. A common market based on the bare minimum of rules (mainly regarding product safety) is a good idea. All the other baggage that came with the EU is poor. EU parliament, courts and commission are unnecessary. We don't need common agricultural policies, VAT rules, procurement and subsidy rules or development budgets (that was like us giving you a pound then having to bid to get you to give us some of it back, while telling us exactly how to spend it). All the above made life more expensive and difficult but simple things like low emission zones were delegated to individual countries. So our motorhome is on a Peugeot base, made in Italy with an engine made in the British Ford plant. Euro 5. Instead of just having a sticker with a 5 on it valid for all the EU, we have to purchase stickers for each country. So many that if we got all of them we wouldn't be able to see out of the windscreen. It is a 4 in Germany, a 2 in France etc... Crazy. | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier. Is this opinion or fact? Do you work in or with the Civil Service? I can tell you your statement is utter nonsense. The Civil Service is apolitical (unlike in many countries). Their role is to serve the Govt of the day by providing unbiased, balanced advice on ALL situations. They are required to undertake risk analysis and due diligence on all policy proposals to ensure the probable impacts and outcomes are fully understood. Then having provides that advice they enact whatever policies pass parliamentary scrutiny and become legislation." It is opinion based on a lifetime of observation of how useless and inefficient the state (and therefore the civil service) is. Whatever government is in power the state system just grinds away slowly in the background. Risk and change averse, obstructive and inefficient. Local or national makes no difference. There's always bleating about lack of funding but so much is wasted. | |||
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"It is difficult to see any benefits yet as the loony left wokies who proliferate in the Civil Service have thwarted every attempt to diverge from the European way they consider ideal. Hopefully many more of them will find themselves in the same position as their former boss." Can you provide us with ‘just one’ benefit | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier. Is this opinion or fact? Do you work in or with the Civil Service? I can tell you your statement is utter nonsense. The Civil Service is apolitical (unlike in many countries). Their role is to serve the Govt of the day by providing unbiased, balanced advice on ALL situations. They are required to undertake risk analysis and due diligence on all policy proposals to ensure the probable impacts and outcomes are fully understood. Then having provides that advice they enact whatever policies pass parliamentary scrutiny and become legislation. It is opinion based on a lifetime of observation of how useless and inefficient the state (and therefore the civil service) is. Whatever government is in power the state system just grinds away slowly in the background. Risk and change averse, obstructive and inefficient. Local or national makes no difference. There's always bleating about lack of funding but so much is wasted." What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? " Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet." So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? | |||
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"It's interesting, as yet, not one tangible benefit that anyone can identify. And I'm genuinely interested. As someone who sits on the Boards of a few companies I can give you plenty of negatives at a micro level, and at a macro level we can see the impact. So to re ask the original question, does anyone know of one tangible benefit 6 years after the vote? Genuinely interested." Unfortunately the extreme and angry Brexit voters (not all) are too busy blaming everyone else for the failure of Brexit and are clinging on to the belief that they knew what they were voting for | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? " Exactly | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? Exactly " Well it's only been 6 years.....  | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? Exactly Well it's only been 6 years..... "Just goes to show how useless and obstructive the civil service blob is. And how weak the politicians have been in dealing with it. And they have been overly distracted for a few years by the bug going round. | |||
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"Uncapped bankers bonuses...Great if you are a banker....Great for the rest of us when the wealth starts trickling down, said nobody, ever...." It's going to make everything good, the bankers are definitely the ones who need the most help right now | |||
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"Uncapped bankers bonuses...Great if you are a banker....Great for the rest of us when the wealth starts trickling down, said nobody, ever.... It's going to make everything good, the bankers are definitely the ones who need the most help right now "YES !!! That is a real brexit benefit !!! Exactly what the plebs voted for | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? Exactly Well it's only been 6 years.....
Just goes to show how useless and obstructive the civil service blob is. And how weak the politicians have been in dealing with it.
And they have been overly distracted for a few years by the bug going round."Have you ever considered, that maybe, just maybe, there really are no tangible benefits. That the self imposed restrictions on trade with our largest export market may not have been such a great idea. That the restriction on free movement which led to vast numbers leaving our shores creating a labour shortage and driving up prices may have been predictable. That restricting our own ability to travel freely would have led to queues and delays. That the sunlit nirvana we were promised simply will never be reached because we have isolated ourselves economically and socially while still being reliant on European markets for our economic prosperity. I accepted the vote 6 years ago and genuinely hoped it would work. But whoever you want to blame, thus far it has brought nothing but a lower standard of living than we had before. | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? Exactly Well it's only been 6 years.....
Just goes to show how useless and obstructive the civil service blob is. And how weak the politicians have been in dealing with it.
And they have been overly distracted for a few years by the bug going round."‘Just one’ benefit will do | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? Exactly " So you knew this was going to happen when you voted to leave in 2016? | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none." "40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent..." "I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit." "I think that is a very naive position that fails to take account of geopolitics. We know Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum. ..." Oh I don't doubt that Russia had a hand in the Brexit debate, and their influence may well have swung the result. It's clear that Putin wants to break up the EU. But the OP was claiming that UK membership of the EU was what caused 40 years of peace, and that Brexit ended it. That's not an accurate statement. | |||
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"Then why did you bring race into it by talking about "wokies"?" You ought to know by now that "woke" means different things to different people. Your definition appears to be "non-racist", which doesn't match up with any of the dictionary definitions, which in turn are all different. We really ought to stop using the word now that it has become meaningless. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent... I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit. I think that is a very naive position that fails to take account of geopolitics. We know Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum. ... Oh I don't doubt that Russia had a hand in the Brexit debate, and their influence may well have swung the result. It's clear that Putin wants to break up the EU. But the OP was claiming that UK membership of the EU was what caused 40 years of peace, and that Brexit ended it. That's not an accurate statement." I was stating fact, that closer economic ties, freedom of movement and less focus on borders had contributed to a sustained period of economic prosperity and improvement in international relations between major European countries. Maybe a coincidence but I suspect not. | |||
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"What has any of this got to do with the benefits of Brexit ? Look back up a few posts where we said it is difficult to find benefits yet. So what your saying is that the civil service are in charge of the country not the government and it’s their fault we don’t have any Brexit benefits ,’yet’? Exactly Well it's only been 6 years.....
Just goes to show how useless and obstructive the civil service blob is. And how weak the politicians have been in dealing with it.
And they have been overly distracted for a few years by the bug going round.
‘Just one’ benefit will do "I can’t quite recall the actual benefits as I sip a beer in Puerto Banus but I do remember the mention of an ‘oven ready deal’. Surely that sorted everything? Current girlfriend was ‘excited’ at getting a passport stamp as we entered, I was irritated! | |||
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"It's interesting, as yet, not one tangible benefit that anyone can identify. And I'm genuinely interested. As someone who sits on the Boards of a few companies I can give you plenty of negatives at a micro level, and at a macro level we can see the impact. So to re ask the original question, does anyone know of one tangible benefit 6 years after the vote? Genuinely interested." If we were writing a pros and cons list, there would be plenty of things to put in the pros column, but no one will ever accept these as Brexit benefits, because they look at the cons column and find something to cancel it out. The usual reasons are: 1. "But we could have done that whilst we were in the EU", (ignoring the fact that EU pressure would have made it impossible). 2. "The EU were going to do that anyway, and they'd have done it by now if it weren't for Brexit making them busy". 3. "But that benefit comes with a cost that's bigger, so it doesn't count". 4. "That's too small to be counted as a benefit" A simple example is the Australian trade deal. It's now easier for us to sell stuff there, and it's easier for us to buy stuff from there. But no one will accept that as a benefit because 'it's only small', and 'but it might put British lamb farmers at risk'. So, you'll never identify a Brexit benefit, whatever you come up with, there will always be some reason to discount it. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none." "40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent..." "I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit." "I think that is a very naive position that fails to take account of geopolitics. We know Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum. ..." "Oh I don't doubt that Russia had a hand in the Brexit debate, and their influence may well have swung the result. It's clear that Putin wants to break up the EU. But the OP was claiming that UK membership of the EU was what caused 40 years of peace, and that Brexit ended it. That's not an accurate statement." "I was stating fact, that closer economic ties, freedom of movement and less focus on borders had contributed to a sustained period of economic prosperity and improvement in international relations between major European countries. Maybe a coincidence but I suspect not. " If you think there's a tiny possibility that it's a coincidence, then it's not a fact, it's your opinion. I agree with you, the EU almost certainly helped to limit tensions in Europe, and may well have prevented wars. But your original statement was that UK membership is what created the peace, and that just isn't feasible. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent... I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit. I think that is a very naive position that fails to take account of geopolitics. We know Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum. ... Oh I don't doubt that Russia had a hand in the Brexit debate, and their influence may well have swung the result. It's clear that Putin wants to break up the EU. But the OP was claiming that UK membership of the EU was what caused 40 years of peace, and that Brexit ended it. That's not an accurate statement. I was stating fact, that closer economic ties, freedom of movement and less focus on borders had contributed to a sustained period of economic prosperity and improvement in international relations between major European countries. Maybe a coincidence but I suspect not. If you think there's a tiny possibility that it's a coincidence, then it's not a fact, it's your opinion. I agree with you, the EU almost certainly helped to limit tensions in Europe, and may well have prevented wars. But your original statement was that UK membership is what created the peace, and that just isn't feasible." Stated it was a benefit, in the same way as economic growth was. One could argue we may have had that outside of the EU as well but we will never know. My point being economically and socially being part of the EU had many things going for it. Not being part of the EU has yet to demonstrate one discernible better outcome than being inside, zero. | |||
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"Tampon tax." Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it. | |||
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"Tampon tax. Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it." Ok, we have found one, Tampon Tax | |||
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"Then why did you bring race into it by talking about "wokies"? Which EU rules (the vast majority of which British MEPs voted for), would you like to see removed? The wokies are so preoccupied with creating division in society by highlighting differences between people that they can't do any proper work. Generating useless self-serving industries such as those around "equality and diversity training" and reducing the eligible talent pool for jobs using diversity quotas. Everybody should get the same chance of getting any job irrespective of age, gender, race, sexual orientation etc. Jobs should be awarded on merit not quotas. As for EU rules, most of them are pretty useless. A common market based on the bare minimum of rules (mainly regarding product safety) is a good idea. All the other baggage that came with the EU is poor. EU parliament, courts and commission are unnecessary. We don't need common agricultural policies, VAT rules, procurement and subsidy rules or development budgets (that was like us giving you a pound then having to bid to get you to give us some of it back, while telling us exactly how to spend it). All the above made life more expensive and difficult but simple things like low emission zones were delegated to individual countries. So our motorhome is on a Peugeot base, made in Italy with an engine made in the British Ford plant. Euro 5. Instead of just having a sticker with a 5 on it valid for all the EU, we have to purchase stickers for each country. So many that if we got all of them we wouldn't be able to see out of the windscreen. It is a 4 in Germany, a 2 in France etc... Crazy." So not able to name any rules you'd scrap then? Fair play. Still not sure why you're blaming non-racists for Brexit being a clusterfuck of a disaster. Although I appreciate your longer explanation. Where do you get these opinions from? | |||
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"Tampon tax. Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it. Ok, we have found one, Tampon Tax "That was debunked. Brexit delayed the removal, as mentioned. | |||
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"Tampon tax. Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it. Ok, we have found one, Tampon Tax
That was debunked. Brexit delayed the removal, as mentioned.
"I'm by no means a leaver ... But a benefit is that we can (sometimes) act more nimbly... It wasn't delayed here ... | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you." peace you saying Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if we had stayed in and Bosnia and Kosovo would be best of friends good luck with passing that as a benefit | |||
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"Tampon tax. Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it. Ok, we have found one, Tampon Tax
That was debunked. Brexit delayed the removal, as mentioned.
I'm by no means a leaver ... But a benefit is that we can (sometimes) act more nimbly... It wasn't delayed here ...
"If you read about it. It was in progress prior to the referendum in 2016. Then was put on hold. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot." just one question has it changed your life serious genuine | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision." why what's changed in your life since brexit. | |||
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"Tampon tax. Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it. Ok, we have found one, Tampon Tax
That was debunked. Brexit delayed the removal, as mentioned.
I'm by no means a leaver ... But a benefit is that we can (sometimes) act more nimbly... It wasn't delayed here ...
If you read about it. It was in progress prior to the referendum in 2016. Then was put on hold."I'm aware... But we can't get away that it wasn't put on hold here. I get the argument it wasn't a reason for voting brexit... And it was a headline "win" so a priority for HMG... But for whatever reason the UK acted faster on an issue that was important to it ... | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine " Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. | |||
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"Tampon tax. Tampon tax is another good example. Those against Brexit always say that the EU would have done it anyway, but it's been held up by Brexit. We managed to get it done. It was the first change to be made, despite everyone being distracted by Brexit. The EU still hasn't managed it. Ok, we have found one, Tampon Tax
That was debunked. Brexit delayed the removal, as mentioned.
I'm by no means a leaver ... But a benefit is that we can (sometimes) act more nimbly... It wasn't delayed here ...
If you read about it. It was in progress prior to the referendum in 2016. Then was put on hold.I'm aware... But we can't get away that it wasn't put on hold here. I get the argument it wasn't a reason for voting brexit... And it was a headline "win" so a priority for HMG... But for whatever reason the UK acted faster on an issue that was important to it ..."So the best effort so far is that tampon tax was abolished maybe more quickly, but effectively more slowly. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit." A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. " but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. | |||
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"Maybe you can elaborate why you think non-racists are somehow thwarting the brexit benefits, and why you'd like to see them replaced with non-non-racist staff? It has nothing to do with race. We don't (and people shouldn't) care at all what a person's race, gender or sexual orientation is. The civil service seems to resist any change by inaction in the hope that politicians promoting policies the civil servants don't agree with will change before the policy is enacted. Thus they are trying to keep as close to EU rules as possible in the hope that the government will change and the re-joining process will then be easier. Is this opinion or fact? Do you work in or with the Civil Service? I can tell you your statement is utter nonsense. The Civil Service is apolitical (unlike in many countries). Their role is to serve the Govt of the day by providing unbiased, balanced advice on ALL situations. They are required to undertake risk analysis and due diligence on all policy proposals to ensure the probable impacts and outcomes are fully understood. Then having provides that advice they enact whatever policies pass parliamentary scrutiny and become legislation. It is opinion based on a lifetime of observation of how useless and inefficient the state (and therefore the civil service) is. Whatever government is in power the state system just grinds away slowly in the background. Risk and change averse, obstructive and inefficient. Local or national makes no difference. There's always bleating about lack of funding but so much is wasted." If you dug a little deeper you would find the actual issue is politics and self-serving short-termism of those politicians. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years." business need to evolve I move loads of international freight biggest problems I find is when it gets to the other side they delay yes more paperwork but it's not hard especially when electronically sent.you say you don't feel like part of a community why you can still talk to neighbors and travel my cousin just moved to Portugal very easily as for the border that I agree could have been dealt with better. | |||
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"Uncapped bankers bonuses...Great if you are a banker....Great for the rest of us when the wealth starts trickling down, said nobody, ever...." Actually every “banker” I know would prefer things to stay as they are. To keep star traders banks had to increase salaries (as the cap was 2x base salary) but with a higher base they had more security on earnings and credit borrowing. The banks don’t want higher salaries as that increases their redundancy liabilities! | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. business need to evolve I move loads of international freight biggest problems I find is when it gets to the other side they delay yes more paperwork but it's not hard especially when electronically sent.you say you don't feel like part of a community why you can still talk to neighbors and travel my cousin just moved to Portugal very easily as for the border that I agree could have been dealt with better." Business does evolve and politicians could learn a lot from how we go about it. But no doubt it has created unnecessary issues, frankly which side it happens is neither here nor there as it is a direct result of Brexit. But we will get through it. Just all rather unnecessary. The longer term economic and social impacts I guess we will have to wait and see. I hope it works, but 6 years in my confidence that this is a good thing is very low indeed. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years." Interesting isn’t it how the government are raging at the issues over Northern Ireland and saying the economic damage to English , Scottish and Welsh businesses it’s causing is unacceptable. Yet what do they say about the same businesses exporting under the same rules to the EU mainland? Nothing because that would be admitting Brexit is damaging businesses irrevocably. If the government’s main aim is to benefit it’s citizens why are they burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with this nightmare. Saving face at our expense. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent... I'm not sure that UK membership of the EU was what brought 40 years of peace to Europe. Unless you're claiming that Putin only invaded Ukraine because of Brexit. I think that is a very naive position that fails to take account of geopolitics. We know Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum. ... Oh I don't doubt that Russia had a hand in the Brexit debate, and their influence may well have swung the result. It's clear that Putin wants to break up the EU. But the OP was claiming that UK membership of the EU was what caused 40 years of peace, and that Brexit ended it. That's not an accurate statement. I was stating fact, that closer economic ties, freedom of movement and less focus on borders had contributed to a sustained period of economic prosperity and improvement in international relations between major European countries. Maybe a coincidence but I suspect not. " Indeed. If the wars in the former Yugoslavia show anything, it is that closer ties bring harmony due to shared interests (economic, political, regulatory and legislative. Take those away and aggression can return. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. Interesting isn’t it how the government are raging at the issues over Northern Ireland and saying the economic damage to English , Scottish and Welsh businesses it’s causing is unacceptable. Yet what do they say about the same businesses exporting under the same rules to the EU mainland? Nothing because that would be admitting Brexit is damaging businesses irrevocably. If the government’s main aim is to benefit it’s citizens why are they burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with this nightmare. Saving face at our expense. " Brexit hasn't damaged any businesses, an increase in British good sales is not a bad thing. Importing is good so far but when our own industries are close to closing down as a result (Steel and Wool), then we need to start looking after our own country not everyone else's. Buy British for Britain. It's really not that hard. The scaremongering and lies from the still crying remainers is beyond pathetic. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. Interesting isn’t it how the government are raging at the issues over Northern Ireland and saying the economic damage to English , Scottish and Welsh businesses it’s causing is unacceptable. Yet what do they say about the same businesses exporting under the same rules to the EU mainland? Nothing because that would be admitting Brexit is damaging businesses irrevocably. If the government’s main aim is to benefit it’s citizens why are they burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with this nightmare. Saving face at our expense. Brexit hasn't damaged any businesses, an increase in British good sales is not a bad thing. Importing is good so far but when our own industries are close to closing down as a result (Steel and Wool), then we need to start looking after our own country not everyone else's. Buy British for Britain. It's really not that hard. The scaremongering and lies from the still crying remainers is beyond pathetic. " Was your life really that bad before 2016? You got the Brexit you voted for, so why are you blaming others for it’s obvious failure? | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. " Why (apart from the obvious) are you so angry and bitter? | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. Interesting isn’t it how the government are raging at the issues over Northern Ireland and saying the economic damage to English , Scottish and Welsh businesses it’s causing is unacceptable. Yet what do they say about the same businesses exporting under the same rules to the EU mainland? Nothing because that would be admitting Brexit is damaging businesses irrevocably. If the government’s main aim is to benefit it’s citizens why are they burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with this nightmare. Saving face at our expense. Brexit hasn't damaged any businesses, an increase in British good sales is not a bad thing. Importing is good so far but when our own industries are close to closing down as a result (Steel and Wool), then we need to start looking after our own country not everyone else's. Buy British for Britain. It's really not that hard. The scaremongering and lies from the still crying remainers is beyond pathetic. " I'm going to make a big assumption here, but you've never run a business have you? | |||
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"Uncapped bankers bonuses...Great if you are a banker....Great for the rest of us when the wealth starts trickling down, said nobody, ever.... Actually every “banker” I know would prefer things to stay as they are. To keep star traders banks had to increase salaries (as the cap was 2x base salary) but with a higher base they had more security on earnings and credit borrowing. The banks don’t want higher salaries as that increases their redundancy liabilities!" Exactly - the point of removing the cap is to attract banks to London by lowering their fixed base salary costs. Without a cap the "stars" will still get paid the same with bonuses but the majority will see a drop. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. Interesting isn’t it how the government are raging at the issues over Northern Ireland and saying the economic damage to English , Scottish and Welsh businesses it’s causing is unacceptable. Yet what do they say about the same businesses exporting under the same rules to the EU mainland? Nothing because that would be admitting Brexit is damaging businesses irrevocably. If the government’s main aim is to benefit it’s citizens why are they burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with this nightmare. Saving face at our expense. Brexit hasn't damaged any businesses, an increase in British good sales is not a bad thing. Importing is good so far but when our own industries are close to closing down as a result (Steel and Wool), then we need to start looking after our own country not everyone else's. Buy British for Britain. It's really not that hard. The scaremongering and lies from the still crying remainers is beyond pathetic. " This is why you're frustrated. If your argument isn't even vaguely based in reality, people are just going to make fun of what you're saying. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit. A good question. From a business perspective there has been huge change and none of it good, from increased bureaucracy and tariffs, to supply chain delays, through to reduced market opportunities. From a personal perspective less obvious, but the economic stats show a huge negative deficit which will only get worse impacting us over the long term, and from a social perspective I feel sad that whereas before I was very much part of a community and was welcomed as such, we are now very much on the outside looking in, I also fear that the UK as we know, with a border between us and NI in the Irish sea and increasing nationalist fervour driven by a Brexit narrative will see many challenges present themselves over the coming years. Interesting isn’t it how the government are raging at the issues over Northern Ireland and saying the economic damage to English , Scottish and Welsh businesses it’s causing is unacceptable. Yet what do they say about the same businesses exporting under the same rules to the EU mainland? Nothing because that would be admitting Brexit is damaging businesses irrevocably. If the government’s main aim is to benefit it’s citizens why are they burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with this nightmare. Saving face at our expense. Brexit hasn't damaged any businesses, an increase in British good sales is not a bad thing. Importing is good so far but when our own industries are close to closing down as a result (Steel and Wool), then we need to start looking after our own country not everyone else's. Buy British for Britain. It's really not that hard. The scaremongering and lies from the still crying remainers is beyond pathetic. This is why you're frustrated. If your argument isn't even vaguely based in reality, people are just going to make fun of what you're saying. " I think Pat has a young apprentice  | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well." But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. " Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. " how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers." But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps." wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job. | |||
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"I'm not angry or bitter, its the left that are that. Still bitter and having a tantrum over the referendum results 4 years on. Like toddlers. Brexit hasn't been a failure at all, yet more remainer lies. " Neither angry, nor bitter, nor left wing. Just waiting for some evidence that Brexit has enhanced us individually as well as a nation rather than the opposite. So far the only positive is some rather spurious claim about tampons. | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps." And you know this as fact? Or just an assumption to suit your narrative. | |||
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"I'm not angry or bitter, its the left that are that. Still bitter and having a tantrum over the referendum results 4 years on. Like toddlers. Brexit hasn't been a failure at all, yet more remainer lies. " In fairness, you seem to label anyone who understands the impact of brexit as "loony left" and you have told people to "fuck off". You seem to think that brexit is a good idea, despite reality. Sl So you can see why you come across as angry, bitter and confused. | |||
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"I was genuinely 50:50 at the time of the vote , but now totally convinced it was a bad decision.why what's changed in your life since brexit." You weren’t asking me but I will reply with a few: 1) Inflation due to a devalued £ since Brexit meaning most things cost me more. 2) I can no longer spend more than 180 days a year in the EU countries. 3) Travelling into EU means I now have to queue, sometimes for hours, to get through passport control. 4) Supply chain issues/delays mean getting components to repair or update products I own (inc car) causing delays I never encountered before (and increased cost). 5) Using my mobile phone in the EU now has roaming charges. 6) Using credit cards in EU now attracts additional fees. Shall I carry on? | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? " well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job." I'm not making the claim BTW, just correcting the angry guy who misunderstood. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours" I haven't expressed a perspective. | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. And you know this as fact? Or just an assumption to suit your narrative." As above, I'm not claiming this. Just correcting the confused guy. | |||
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"Uncapped bankers bonuses...Great if you are a banker....Great for the rest of us when the wealth starts trickling down, said nobody, ever.... Actually every “banker” I know would prefer things to stay as they are. To keep star traders banks had to increase salaries (as the cap was 2x base salary) but with a higher base they had more security on earnings and credit borrowing. The banks don’t want higher salaries as that increases their redundancy liabilities! Exactly - the point of removing the cap is to attract banks to London by lowering their fixed base salary costs. Without a cap the "stars" will still get paid the same with bonuses but the majority will see a drop." Do you work in the City? They are gearing up for redundancies due to business being lost. Good luck attracting more here with less access to the very market that made London so attractive for FS in the first place! | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. " you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right | |||
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"I'm not angry or bitter, its the left that are that. Still bitter and having a tantrum over the referendum results 4 years on. Like toddlers. Brexit hasn't been a failure at all, yet more remainer lies. " So list out the successes then? Can’t be that hard for you if you are so certain? | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right " That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job." Sure we can all chuck out an anecdote. Prefer opinion polls which since 2016 support the claim that knuckle dragging racists over index as Leave supporters by a massive margin. I guess there could be the odd one or two outliers? | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. " There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours" Do you import or export from the U.K.? Just curious. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact." The governments own published figures contradict you so I’ll believe their numbers over yours thanks. Try reading the parliamentary library publications. That’s not opinion that’s as you wanted actual “Facts” | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact." If you're interested, read the ONS reports on the damage caused by brexit. You seem to be very passionate about the subject, read up and learn about it. Then you can express opinions based on what's actually happening. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact." That isn’t what almost every economist and the OBR say, but hey unicorns and sunlit uplands abound ay? | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job. Sure we can all chuck out an anecdote. Prefer opinion polls which since 2016 support the claim that knuckle dragging racists over index as Leave supporters by a massive margin. I guess there could be the odd one or two outliers?" course you like option polls as long as they fit your narrative look where they were wrong in us leaving EU how labour was winning I look at what my eyes see and no what some bias polls say either way. | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job. Sure we can all chuck out an anecdote. Prefer opinion polls which since 2016 support the claim that knuckle dragging racists over index as Leave supporters by a massive margin. I guess there could be the odd one or two outliers? course you like option polls as long as they fit your narrative look where they were wrong in us leaving EU how labour was winning I look at what my eyes see and no what some bias polls say either way." Hmmm so all opinion polls are biased, even those taken by all the pollsters across the whole spectrum? I think you’ll find what I said was correct. | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job. Sure we can all chuck out an anecdote. Prefer opinion polls which since 2016 support the claim that knuckle dragging racists over index as Leave supporters by a massive margin. I guess there could be the odd one or two outliers? course you like option polls as long as they fit your narrative look where they were wrong in us leaving EU how labour was winning I look at what my eyes see and no what some bias polls say either way." I think You're making some good points about the short sighted nature of many voters. One business is doing well post brexit and one person you know is a racist and may not have voted leave. And you've extrapolated this across the whole country despite what's actually going on. Meanwhile ignoring the damage to the economy, British businesses and despite race hate being used as a tool of fear to influence voters. IE Farage standing in front of posters of brown people walking through fields. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact." Nobody is suggesting the pandemic didn’t damage our economy (or indeed the global economy) but the uk has also had the impact of Brexit. Given this forum flags up a disbenefit everytime one hits the news (which is pretty much weekly) in the spirit of balance why don’t you help by answering the OP’s original question? | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job. Sure we can all chuck out an anecdote. Prefer opinion polls which since 2016 support the claim that knuckle dragging racists over index as Leave supporters by a massive margin. I guess there could be the odd one or two outliers? course you like option polls as long as they fit your narrative look where they were wrong in us leaving EU how labour was winning I look at what my eyes see and no what some bias polls say either way. I think You're making some good points about the short sighted nature of many voters. One business is doing well post brexit and one person you know is a racist and may not have voted leave. And you've extrapolated this across the whole country despite what's actually going on. Meanwhile ignoring the damage to the economy, British businesses and despite race hate being used as a tool of fear to influence voters. IE Farage standing in front of posters of brown people walking through fields." you say despite British business that's not what I or my company see the only ones I hear moaning about brexit are the ones that relied on cheap labour as for race hate if you look hard enough you'll find it on both sides but I don't see it being a major part think it's more in people's head than reality. | |||
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"Sadly a lot of companies did rely on cheap labour, look at the airline and hospitality sectors as good examples. Brexit has caused them no end of trouble but maybe highlighted a fundamental flaw in their business models." If a business relays on paying the lowest possible rates then it’s a bad business | |||
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"Sadly a lot of companies did rely on cheap labour, look at the airline and hospitality sectors as good examples. Brexit has caused them no end of trouble but maybe highlighted a fundamental flaw in their business models. If a business relays on paying the lowest possible rates then it’s a bad business " Totally agree | |||
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"Here we go it didn't take long. The liberal leftwing loonies have jumped on the anyone who voted to leave is racist card. Fuck off, change the record. This one is boring now. Same in every so called public forum across the internet. The left thinking they have power over the right. Spoiler alert you don't. And running to shout racist just shows how pathetic most remainers are. Ah, I see your problem. This is a quote from the post you're confused about. "No i am NOT saying everyone who voted Leave was a knuckle dragging racist, but all knuckle dragging racists did vote Leave." Hope this helps. wrong my next door voted stay and believe me I don't know anyone more racist than him he won't allow any foreign people in is yard shop won't do jobs for them if he turns up to a job and there not white English he walks of from the job. Sure we can all chuck out an anecdote. Prefer opinion polls which since 2016 support the claim that knuckle dragging racists over index as Leave supporters by a massive margin. I guess there could be the odd one or two outliers? course you like option polls as long as they fit your narrative look where they were wrong in us leaving EU how labour was winning I look at what my eyes see and no what some bias polls say either way. I think You're making some good points about the short sighted nature of many voters. One business is doing well post brexit and one person you know is a racist and may not have voted leave. And you've extrapolated this across the whole country despite what's actually going on. Meanwhile ignoring the damage to the economy, British businesses and despite race hate being used as a tool of fear to influence voters. IE Farage standing in front of posters of brown people walking through fields. you say despite British business that's not what I or my company see the only ones I hear moaning about brexit are the ones that relied on cheap labour as for race hate if you look hard enough you'll find it on both sides but I don't see it being a major part think it's more in people's head than reality." Yeah that's what I'm saying. Your one business is doing well. The rest of the country isn't. I think we're on the same page. | |||
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"3) Travelling into EU means I now have to queue, sometimes for hours, to get through passport control." I used to travel to the EU a lot, and I always had to queue to get through passport control. Where is it that you used to travel that didn't have queues? "6) Using credit cards in EU now attracts additional fees." Credit cards have always had extra fees in Europe, as a result of converting from Euros. Are you now getting another fee of some sort? | |||
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"Sadly a lot of companies did rely on cheap labour, look at the airline and hospitality sectors as good examples. Brexit has caused them no end of trouble but maybe highlighted a fundamental flaw in their business models." So the benefit of Brexit is that it should allow us to move the economy away from the house of cards it was, based on not producing anything and relying on cheap labour to sell over-priced coffees to the gullible. Requires political will and an efficient civil service though so we don't have much hope at all of it being enacted. | |||
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"Sadly a lot of companies did rely on cheap labour, look at the airline and hospitality sectors as good examples. Brexit has caused them no end of trouble but maybe highlighted a fundamental flaw in their business models. If a business relays on paying the lowest possible rates then it’s a bad business Totally agree "Yep, none of us will mind paying an extra 50% when we get our 2% payrise mmm. | |||
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"Sadly a lot of companies did rely on cheap labour, look at the airline and hospitality sectors as good examples. Brexit has caused them no end of trouble but maybe highlighted a fundamental flaw in their business models." Indeed and what we started to see with an upswing in salaries in some sectors due to a lack of workers will prove short term. We will start to see a swing the other way driven by two factors; 1) the reduction in workers rights so desired by the JRM’s of the world and 2) the import of cheap labour from countries beyond the EU that the UK is trying to secure trade deals with. | |||
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"Sadly a lot of companies did rely on cheap labour, look at the airline and hospitality sectors as good examples. Brexit has caused them no end of trouble but maybe highlighted a fundamental flaw in their business models. So the benefit of Brexit is that it should allow us to move the economy away from the house of cards it was, based on not producing anything and relying on cheap labour to sell over-priced coffees to the gullible. Requires political will and an efficient civil service though so we don't have much hope at all of it being enacted." It's been 6 years, they need to get a move on with it! So much for oven ready and the huge benefits we were promised. But I wait with hope. The downside of a realignment of the economy is undoubtedly higher costs for consumers but let's see. And sadly since 2007 while other countries in the G7 have seen an increase in GDP per head the UK has gone backwards. Brexit can't be blamed for all of that, and maybe part of the reason why people voted for it. Would just be nice, as per the original question to be able to point to one tangible, demonstrable thing that is better since we left. | |||
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"3) Travelling into EU means I now have to queue, sometimes for hours, to get through passport control. I used to travel to the EU a lot, and I always had to queue to get through passport control. Where is it that you used to travel that didn't have queues? 6) Using credit cards in EU now attracts additional fees. Credit cards have always had extra fees in Europe, as a result of converting from Euros. Are you now getting another fee of some sort?" Stop being disingenuous. Credit Card companies have introduced increased transaction fees (not talking about conversion rates though of course with the weaker £ that is also worse than it was). I too travel(led) a lot. Didn’t say no queues I said longer (in time taken) queues as the amount of checks required on passports has increased. Are you saying that isn’t the case? | |||
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"3) Travelling into EU means I now have to queue, sometimes for hours, to get through passport control." "I used to travel to the EU a lot, and I always had to queue to get through passport control. Where is it that you used to travel that didn't have queues?" "6) Using credit cards in EU now attracts additional fees." "Credit cards have always had extra fees in Europe, as a result of converting from Euros. Are you now getting another fee of some sort?" "Stop being disingenuous. Credit Card companies have introduced increased transaction fees (not talking about conversion rates though of course with the weaker £ that is also worse than it was). I too travel(led) a lot. Didn’t say no queues I said longer (in time taken) queues as the amount of checks required on passports has increased. Are you saying that isn’t the case?" To be fair, your post did say "Travelling into EU means I now have to queue", which does sort of imply that previously you didn't have to queue. But you've cleared that up now. I'm not being disingenuous about credit cards, I'm just surprised. I've not been abroad for a few years, so I've not seen any increased charges. Do you have any details on what the increases are? | |||
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"3) Travelling into EU means I now have to queue, sometimes for hours, to get through passport control. I used to travel to the EU a lot, and I always had to queue to get through passport control. Where is it that you used to travel that didn't have queues? 6) Using credit cards in EU now attracts additional fees. Credit cards have always had extra fees in Europe, as a result of converting from Euros. Are you now getting another fee of some sort? Stop being disingenuous. Credit Card companies have introduced increased transaction fees (not talking about conversion rates though of course with the weaker £ that is also worse than it was). I too travel(led) a lot. Didn’t say no queues I said longer (in time taken) queues as the amount of checks required on passports has increased. Are you saying that isn’t the case? To be fair, your post did say "Travelling into EU means I now have to queue", which does sort of imply that previously you didn't have to queue. But you've cleared that up now. I'm not being disingenuous about credit cards, I'm just surprised. I've not been abroad for a few years, so I've not seen any increased charges. Do you have any details on what the increases are?" Queues yeah fair enough but defo take far longer. Credit Card charges - google search it and there is loads of info | |||
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"Anybody who thinks it's going well is deluded...its a cult almost. Yes, I did say cult... A bit like ogling your pics (soz yes this is the politics forum but still a swinger site )"Something we can all agree on....  | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right?" just calm down you'll do yourself no good as your life really become so shitty | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right? just calm down you'll do yourself no good as your life really become so shitty" Classic approach of Brexit supporters. Try to make out none of this matters. That everyone is overreacting. Because you know if you voted leave you have made a monumental mistake. On a personal level, I am in an income bracket that means I can absorb any economic fallout of Brexit and the travel related issues are highly irritating. But I am fortunate. Many are not. | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right? just calm down you'll do yourself no good as your life really become so shitty" I agree. Facing the reality of brexit is pretty shitty. Still, probably better than burying your head in the sand, pretending everything is going swimmingly and waiting for the unicorns to fly in. | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right?" Yes, it's one of the things I want them to do. It's a pain in the arse to have to keep signing the opt-out forms, and fighting with HR when they question you working more than 48 hours in a week. Getting rid of it will definitely make my life easier. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. Why not go back? Why continue to back a fundamentally flawed decision when that decision can be reviewed and reversed?" The option to 're join is still there (if the EU will accept). There is a political party dedicated to just that. They just need to get a referendum and win it like the opposite side did. I think it's called the rejoin party so straight to the point and does what is says on the tin type of thing. If what's said on this thread is accurate then if a referendum comes about it will be an easy win | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right? Yes, it's one of the things I want them to do. It's a pain in the arse to have to keep signing the opt-out forms, and fighting with HR when they question you working more than 48 hours in a week. Getting rid of it will definitely make my life easier." Yeah good luck when your boss tells you that you are working 72 hours a week, for no extra pay, or you are sacked with zero comeback. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. Why not go back? Why continue to back a fundamentally flawed decision when that decision can be reviewed and reversed? The option to 're join is still there (if the EU will accept). There is a political party dedicated to just that. They just need to get a referendum and win it like the opposite side did. I think it's called the rejoin party so straight to the point and does what is says on the tin type of thing. If what's said on this thread is accurate then if a referendum comes about it will be an easy win" Rejoining the EU isn't in the interests of the billionaires, and corporations who funded and benefitted from brexit. There is absolutely zero chance they will allow the UK to rejoin. Rejoining is a billion miles away, and they're still pumping out the pro brexit propaganda. The brexit clusterfuck is here to stay. The best we can hope for is a government that does it's best to mitigate against all the damage. | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right?" "Yes, it's one of the things I want them to do. It's a pain in the arse to have to keep signing the opt-out forms, and fighting with HR when they question you working more than 48 hours in a week. Getting rid of it will definitely make my life easier." "Yeah good luck when your boss tells you that you are working 72 hours a week, for no extra pay, or you are sacked with zero comeback." Both of those things are illegal under British employment law, and neither of them are implemented by the Working Time Directive, or The Working Time Regulations 1998 as we call it now. | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right? Yes, it's one of the things I want them to do. It's a pain in the arse to have to keep signing the opt-out forms, and fighting with HR when they question you working more than 48 hours in a week. Getting rid of it will definitely make my life easier. Yeah good luck when your boss tells you that you are working 72 hours a week, for no extra pay, or you are sacked with zero comeback. Both of those things are illegal under British employment law, and neither of them are implemented by the Working Time Directive, or The Working Time Regulations 1998 as we call it now." Do you really think the current government gives a fuck about any previous employment law? For them brexit is just an opportunity to piss from high upon every working person. If you think it stops just at rolling back the extra protection given to workers by being in the EU, then you are utterly naive. Or maybe you are just hoping to be one of those benefitting by screwing over the rest of the population. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. Why not go back? Why continue to back a fundamentally flawed decision when that decision can be reviewed and reversed? The option to 're join is still there (if the EU will accept). There is a political party dedicated to just that. They just need to get a referendum and win it like the opposite side did. I think it's called the rejoin party so straight to the point and does what is says on the tin type of thing. If what's said on this thread is accurate then if a referendum comes about it will be an easy win Rejoining the EU isn't in the interests of the billionaires, and corporations who funded and benefitted from brexit. There is absolutely zero chance they will allow the UK to rejoin. Rejoining is a billion miles away, and they're still pumping out the pro brexit propaganda. The brexit clusterfuck is here to stay. The best we can hope for is a government that does it's best to mitigate against all the damage." My post was to say that the possibility exists and a political party as a vehicle. I know the chances are slim of getting another referendum but as said, should that occur people's personal experience of brexit will make it an easy win if what is said here is true. I don't know for sure but suspect at the beginning when farage first surfaced that a referendum was also very unlikely. | |||
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"And another... Tory Govt is set to scrap the EU Working Time Directive. This limits the length of the working week and gave UK workers breaks in long shifts. Despite that, Brits already work the longest hours in western Europe. But now it will be work until you drop. Great Brexit bonus for company owners and directors. Not so good for workers but hey, 52% knew what they were voting for so must have wanted this right? Yes, it's one of the things I want them to do. It's a pain in the arse to have to keep signing the opt-out forms, and fighting with HR when they question you working more than 48 hours in a week. Getting rid of it will definitely make my life easier. Yeah good luck when your boss tells you that you are working 72 hours a week, for no extra pay, or you are sacked with zero comeback. Both of those things are illegal under British employment law, and neither of them are implemented by the Working Time Directive, or The Working Time Regulations 1998 as we call it now." I opted out of the 48 hour thing but now not sure if it was correct if my employer can force me to work many more hours without extra pay. To be fair to them they have not done this and pay overtime for extra hours | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. Why not go back? Why continue to back a fundamentally flawed decision when that decision can be reviewed and reversed? The option to 're join is still there (if the EU will accept). There is a political party dedicated to just that. They just need to get a referendum and win it like the opposite side did. I think it's called the rejoin party so straight to the point and does what is says on the tin type of thing. If what's said on this thread is accurate then if a referendum comes about it will be an easy win Rejoining the EU isn't in the interests of the billionaires, and corporations who funded and benefitted from brexit. There is absolutely zero chance they will allow the UK to rejoin. Rejoining is a billion miles away, and they're still pumping out the pro brexit propaganda. The brexit clusterfuck is here to stay. The best we can hope for is a government that does it's best to mitigate against all the damage. My post was to say that the possibility exists and a political party as a vehicle. I know the chances are slim of getting another referendum but as said, should that occur people's personal experience of brexit will make it an easy win if what is said here is true. I don't know for sure but suspect at the beginning when farage first surfaced that a referendum was also very unlikely. " | |||
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"Yeah good luck when your boss tells you that you are working 72 hours a week, for no extra pay, or you are sacked with zero comeback." "Both of those things are illegal under British employment law, and neither of them are implemented by the Working Time Directive, or The Working Time Regulations 1998 as we call it now." "Do you really think the current government gives a fuck about any previous employment law?" Apparently they do. Why would they bother to discuss removing the working time regulations if they were happy to just ignore the laws? | |||
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"I opted out of the 48 hour thing but now not sure if it was correct if my employer can force me to work many more hours without extra pay." Don't worry, even if the working time regulations are repealed, they can't force you to work extra hours without pay. They can't force you to do anything that isn't in your employment contract. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested." Puts hand up... It demonstrates the insanity of the group think, that it will not be another shit show if they democratically take part. Promise..... | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested." The government don't have the option of saying: We had to do this or that/sell off this or that because its the EU made us do it. | |||
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"I opted out of the 48 hour thing but now not sure if it was correct if my employer can force me to work many more hours without extra pay. Don't worry, even if the working time regulations are repealed, they can't force you to work extra hours without pay. They can't force you to do anything that isn't in your employment contract." They will just change the contract , it is very easy to do | |||
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"Anything purchased online from an EU country now commands duty and charges making these items more expensive. This means the the British sellers can now sell these items at their usual prices keeping their business going and the jobs of their workers safe. This has helped my business greatly." Smaller market and more expensive goods for British people is a benefit? Amazing. | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. The government don't have the option of saying: We had to do this or that/sell off this or that because its the EU made us do it. " By jove I think we have one! | |||
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"I opted out of the 48 hour thing but now not sure if it was correct if my employer can force me to work many more hours without extra pay. Don't worry, even if the working time regulations are repealed, they can't force you to work extra hours without pay. They can't force you to do anything that isn't in your employment contract. They will just change the contract , it is very easy to do " Every job I have ever had has had the option of opting out of the wtd, in the application form. I think I know what happens to the forms that haven't had the box ticked. The wtd in this country has always been a useless piece of legislation. As for working extra hours, you can't just alter someone's contract. It has to be agreed and then signed by the affected person. If you don't agree, you don't sign. You then negotiate either on your own behalf or hopefully, collectively. | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you." Good to start with | |||
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"Post a benefit of being in the EU? Oh wait there is absolutely none. 40 years of unparalleled economic growth combined with a period of peace across the continent and the ability of people to work and travel freely across borders. There's 3 for you. Yeah no just no. 40 years of control and theft. 39 Billion a year for what? Jog on. The EU destroyed this country and now its time to restore it. " Bollocks | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact." This has got to be another Pat creation hasn’t it? So much incoherent anger and rage with so little factual evidence to back it up….hilarious | |||
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"Well at least we will have that free trade deal with the US.......oh hang on "Nothing is ever free! It always comes with caviats | |||
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"Can anyone give me one tangible, demonstrable benefit from Brexit. Genuinely interested. Yawn......... how many times is this question going to be asked. Whether their is a bonus to brexit or not doesn't matter. We've left, we're not going back. It is what it it is now so let's just get on with it. There is an element of that. The only real point in asking this question is to poke fun at people who voted leave and who still think it was a good idea. But I guess the hope is that next time there is a referendum asking if we should shoot ourselves in the foot or not, people might may more attention and vote not to put the proverbial bullet through our collective foot. just one question has it changed your life serious genuine Same as it's effected everyone's life. Damage to the economy effects all of us. And it has been a catastrophic damage. Twice as bad as the pandemic. As we know, the damage will get worse and worse. In addition to that, the British company I work for had to downsize dramatically as we lost about 40 of our business. but has it effected you I don't see a change in my life personally I was asked to vote so I did for my own reasons not for anyone elses why has your company lost 40 percent like in life winner's and losers mine is busier now than before we don't make anything just move what others sell so something's going well. But you do understand that your business making gains, is in the minority, nearly every British business is suffering. how can it be in a minority we don't make anything we just move stuff for other companies and we have never been as busy I go to about 40 business a day they can't keep up with orders so seem to be more winner's than losers. But you do realise your personal experience isn't spread across the entire country? well as we work world wide I think it's a better perspective than yours I haven't expressed a perspective. you seen to no that all other companies except for the few I go to are struggling I'm just suggesting there not my example is we built two new hubs and expanded are east Midlands airport hub to carry the extra freight we made 740 last year in a pandemic so something's going right That's great. And there have been people, such as Jacob Rees Mogg who are disaster capitalists, expert at making money from economic downfalls. The fact remains, brexit has damaged the economy, damaged British businesses. This is nothing to do with perspective. This is just the impact of brexit. There is absolutely no fact of the above claims of brexit damaging the economy, because it didn't. And it didn't damage our businesses. Yet more remoaner delusion. A pandemic damaged our economy, nothing to do with us leaving the control state. Claiming it is fact is just plain wrong. Its YOUR opinion not fact. This has got to be another Pat creation hasn’t it? So much incoherent anger and rage with so little factual evidence to back it up….hilarious "The brexit confusion threads are my favourite. I admire the people who still argue that brexit is a good idea. They have literally nothing to go on, yet they hang on in there. Fair play. | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well!" Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up "Did you vote for this? | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up "They are the ones who are still waiting after several years for the brexiters to show one real benefit of brexit. If you want to call that anger, be my guest. It seems that being asked a question to which you have no good answer equates in your mind to anger, however. | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up "Not crying but laughing at the brexiteers who have realised that life hasn’t actually got any better since we left but still keep attacking the EU because they aren’t treating us as either equals or as special as the brexiteers think we are. If you can’t smell the coffee it’s about time you stopped drinking Maxwell House! | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up "I don’t think bringing it up and asking questions is anger. More sadness at what we have lost and bemusement that despite all the evidence there are still some who simply cannot admit they might have made a mistake. It takes balls to admit your mistakes. However, if you genuinely believe you did not make a mistake then have the strength of your convictions and tell us the benefits, the real tangible benefits! | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up "Are you suggesting that people who voted leave don't have a clue what's going on, and don't bring it up? Bit of an insulting generalisation. | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up
Are you suggesting that people who voted leave don't have a clue what's going on, and don't bring it up?
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up
Are you suggesting that people who voted leave don't have a clue what's going on, and don't bring it up?
Bit of an insulting generalisation.
People who voted leave were completely misled, firstly about the "voluntary referendum" and then about single market membership."Yeah of course, just seems a bit insulting to suggest that none of them have since realised. | |||
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"You gotta wonder why some people are so angry. And in fact still angry as after all they got what voted for right? We left. We are on our own and free to do whatever we want. Those of us who wanted to remain are still waiting to see the benefits but they don’t seem so good so far! Seems like everything that is/was crap in some people’s lives is the fault of the big nasty EU. I mean soon we will see incels and men with small cocks blaming that on the EU as well! Most of the anger still seems to come from the ones who voted to remain because they are the ones who continually bring it up
Are you suggesting that people who voted leave don't have a clue what's going on, and don't bring it up?
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"Almost at the end of the thread and so far the closest we have got to a Brexit benefit is something to do with tampons. Let's see if Truss has any ideas after 6 years to make it work. And for those who still believe in leave and think anyone who voted remain is just angry and bitter. The responses on this thread would suggest the opposite. All we would like to see is some evidence, even just one thing that has improved out lives since the vote. Here's hoping and waiting." Jacob Rees-Mogg once admitted that it'll take 30-50 years for any benefits to come to fruition. By then, one of three things will happen: 1) UK re-joins the EU, 2) we adopt a similar role to those who are not members with special allowances in place, 3) We soldier on but find ourselves as bit part players on the global stage. If Brexit is to truly succeed, one thing needs to happen: Torys out! 12 years of madness, four PMs and still talking s**t about they are only ones who can fix the economy. They've been in power for over a decade so who are they saving the economy from? Themselves!? 
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