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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
We all know the NHS is slowly being privatised.
Here is another example of why it should stopped...
In 2013 the Conservative Govt sold 80% of the NHS blood plasma service to US firm Bain for £90m.
Then three years later Bain sold it to the Chinese for an astounding £820m!
Ironically, and clearly with no conflict of interest, Health secretary Andrew Lansley subsequently worked for Bain as a paid adviser.
The tories also announced the sale just before the six week summer recess to avoid parliamentary oversight. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
This is obscene. Yet some will still say privatising our governments services and the country’s utilities is a good thing.
This needs investigating .
How much is yet another sleepy Tory being paid for his consultancy services which have blatantly robbed the NHS of potential income.
This sort of thing should be banned and no MP should be able to take a consultancy related to any government supplier for at least three years after leaving office. They won’t be of interest to the companies after that.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available? |
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"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available? "
It is worthless and a debt but people want to pay lots of money to buy parts of it.
And if it is sold i want my cut and in cash. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available?
It is worthless and a debt but people want to pay lots of money to buy parts of it.
And if it is sold i want my cut and in cash. "
It’s worth billions , and we have paid for it, whoever ‘buys’ any of it will get it cheap and make a fortune |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available? "
Not actually true. This is a line spun by the Tories and the Tory supporting media for so long people believe it. The UK spends less per capita than Germany on the stare funded aspects of healthcare. The reason for so much inefficiency in parts of the NHS is due to being part privatised causing chaos.
Just one example of this is how hospitals were forced to outsource their facilities management to private sector companies who are fleecing them. One hospital was actually charged £500 to change a lightbulb. They need to insource and recruit caretakers again! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available?
Not actually true. This is a line spun by the Tories and the Tory supporting media for so long people believe it. The UK spends less per capita than Germany on the stare funded aspects of healthcare. The reason for so much inefficiency in parts of the NHS is due to being part privatised causing chaos.
Just one example of this is how hospitals were forced to outsource their facilities management to private sector companies who are fleecing them. One hospital was actually charged £500 to change a lightbulb. They need to insource and recruit caretakers again!"
Which leads you to the crux of the problem. Great swathes of management costing billions and for what?
What are they managing if they just contract out?
If it’s slowly being privatised why are there more managers than ever.
It’s a complete lack of accountability which wastes billions and inevitably leads to accusations of failure and a push for privatisation.
Make the decision makers accountable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available?
Not actually true. This is a line spun by the Tories and the Tory supporting media for so long people believe it. The UK spends less per capita than Germany on the stare funded aspects of healthcare. The reason for so much inefficiency in parts of the NHS is due to being part privatised causing chaos.
Just one example of this is how hospitals were forced to outsource their facilities management to private sector companies who are fleecing them. One hospital was actually charged £500 to change a lightbulb. They need to insource and recruit caretakers again!"
Actually this isn't just a Tory thing, more a health issue
I have all the government data covering years which I used for my degree as opposed to just having a clouded political view |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available?
Not actually true. This is a line spun by the Tories and the Tory supporting media for so long people believe it. The UK spends less per capita than Germany on the stare funded aspects of healthcare. The reason for so much inefficiency in parts of the NHS is due to being part privatised causing chaos.
Just one example of this is how hospitals were forced to outsource their facilities management to private sector companies who are fleecing them. One hospital was actually charged £500 to change a lightbulb. They need to insource and recruit caretakers again!
Actually this isn't just a Tory thing, more a health issue
I have all the government data covering years which I used for my degree as opposed to just having a clouded political view "
Great then you will know the pattern of investment under successive governments, be able to take account of inflation and real terms levels of investment and map that against Govt tinkering and the wider context (such as removal of student grants for nurses and salary freezes leading to a skilled labour shortage).
Absolutely New Labour need to take some blame but it is primarily the tories and significantly since 2010 (compare performance data in 2002, 2012, 2022). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately the NHS is failing, we literally cannot afford it with the present health crisis which has got worse over the last 15 years and will continue to do so. How are we meant to pay for a free service when that free service cannot be afforded?
No I don't agree with it being sold off but unfortunately what else can we do? What ther options are available?
Not actually true. This is a line spun by the Tories and the Tory supporting media for so long people believe it. The UK spends less per capita than Germany on the stare funded aspects of healthcare. The reason for so much inefficiency in parts of the NHS is due to being part privatised causing chaos.
Just one example of this is how hospitals were forced to outsource their facilities management to private sector companies who are fleecing them. One hospital was actually charged £500 to change a lightbulb. They need to insource and recruit caretakers again!
Actually this isn't just a Tory thing, more a health issue
I have all the government data covering years which I used for my degree as opposed to just having a clouded political view
Great then you will know the pattern of investment under successive governments, be able to take account of inflation and real terms levels of investment and map that against Govt tinkering and the wider context (such as removal of student grants for nurses and salary freezes leading to a skilled labour shortage).
Absolutely New Labour need to take some blame but it is primarily the tories and significantly since 2010 (compare performance data in 2002, 2012, 2022). "
NHS can't sustain the current rate of inflation globally. It will have to raise rates to be competitive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The NHS blob is huge and there is no central control - so every Trust duplicates management structure. Managers need admin to justify their job, so they dress loads up as “governance” so they are indispensable. When they periodically get sacked, their admin (which is now essential) gets given to a nurse or doctor to do - and we moan and moan so another manager is employed to do it. It’s busy work though.
The NHS, in its current form, needs significant transformation if it is to survive. No one wants to see it privatised but the cost balloons every year and it is not sustainable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The NHS blob is huge and there is no central control - so every Trust duplicates management structure. Managers need admin to justify their job, so they dress loads up as “governance” so they are indispensable. When they periodically get sacked, their admin (which is now essential) gets given to a nurse or doctor to do - and we moan and moan so another manager is employed to do it. It’s busy work though.
The NHS, in its current form, needs significant transformation if it is to survive. No one wants to see it privatised but the cost balloons every year and it is not sustainable. "
You can only go so far with inflation without raising taxes to cover the costs. Nothing is free. It's still a service provided. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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TBH I don't like the NHS. The wait times are horrible in dire situations for your loved ones. But hey it's the Uk pride and joy . I'll stick with my privatized. I know my family gets the care that they need in a emergency. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"TBH I don't like the NHS. The wait times are horrible in dire situations for your loved ones. But hey it's the Uk pride and joy . I'll stick with my privatized. I know my family gets the care that they need in a emergency."
I’m curious. Can you give a ball park figure for how much the average monthly health insurance payment is?
Also, are you locked in to one insurance provider? What I mean by that is if you got ill tomorrow, got treatment paid by insurer, if next year you wanted to change to a new insurance provider, would they cover you for that illness? My understanding is they would not as they would class that as a pre-existing condition. So that locks you in to current insurer who xan then start increasing your premiums as you are now a higher risk.
What about the insurer providing cover for hereditary conditions? Lifestyle related conditions (smoking related cancer for example)?
Also does the insurer have an upper limit on what they will pay out? Does that apply to primary and secondary care? If your new conditions results in being on a cocktail of drugs for rest of life, does the insurer pay for that?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions."
Lolz “doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home” you may want to qualify that because they are not paying for those with their NHS salaries. That will be from their private practice. You know of course that in the UK to practice private medicine you have to work a certain minimum number of hours each year in the NHS.
The NHS does need reform without doubt. Someone above rightly points out the madness of duplication of management and admin across multiple hospital trusts, I have pointed out the chaos caused by part privatisation and thus introducing profit motive into healthcare.
Obviously I do not have the answers, only opinions, but some serious prioritisation needs to take place along with consolidation to remove duplication.
An example I have first hand experience of is healthcare in Spain. Their Govt can only afford a certain budget each year. So they structure their system to put almost all of that money into primary healthcare. Top equipment. Top specialist medical teams etc. But there is almost no secondary care. Once you are out of serious danger and on the ward, it is up to the families to wash and change bed linen. Bring in food. Bed bath. Etc. Not sure what happens to those with no family as no experience of that.
My opinion only of course, but we should indeed make health tourism impossible with it being mandatory for anyone entering the UK to have health insurance that is valid for the full duration of their stay. For anyone emigrating to the UK, they should have to have health insurance for two years until they have paid into the system through tax and NI. If they are being sponsored by an employer that company will need to provide the two year health insurance. The NHS should prioritise non-elective procedures (ie those to save or prolong life) - maybe they already do? In fact if it really came down to only having so much money then the NHS should stop providing elective procedures.
However, the people who are often the ones who shout that the NHS is too expensive yadda yadda are also the same ones who do not seem to be outraged by the current Govt’s corrupt handling of Covid and the £billions transferred into the hands of cronies. They shout the NHS is not fit for purpose but seem to passively accept that the DHSC wrote off £8billion on substandard PPE.
The money is there, or would be if all the right taxes were being paid/collected and cronies were not fleecing the NHS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Many people are pro NHS because they see the value in ensuring that everyone has access to health care regardless of wealth and if they can afford insurance. many think ecoming ill shouldn't bankrupt someone or cause great hardship.
They support this approach even if they could get a better outcome for themselves by a private route.
(For me, I know my world can change unexpectedly. I also have friends and family who could not afford healthcare the way I can)
Some may take a more individual view. And that's fine.
That doesn't make the practice of the nhs perfect, even if the idea is good.
However, with a growing and aging population the NHS will become more and more expensive. It's 3x lots of inflation. That needs to be recognised. It isn't.
It's interesting someone has mentioned doctor pay. Do you really thing doctors would not be able to afford Teslaa if privatised ? That feels counter intuitive to me. Blu will tell us she gets 4x (more like 2x) than her NHS equivalents. Because health care is not a great industry for perfect competition.
Somewhat like energy. It's expensive to get to scale. Yet it's something we all need.
And we have seen the profiteering there.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions.
Lolz “doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home” you may want to qualify that because they are not paying for those with their NHS salaries. That will be from their private practice. You know of course that in the UK to practice private medicine you have to work a certain minimum number of hours each year in the NHS.
The NHS does need reform without doubt. Someone above rightly points out the madness of duplication of management and admin across multiple hospital trusts, I have pointed out the chaos caused by part privatisation and thus introducing profit motive into healthcare.
Obviously I do not have the answers, only opinions, but some serious prioritisation needs to take place along with consolidation to remove duplication.
An example I have first hand experience of is healthcare in Spain. Their Govt can only afford a certain budget each year. So they structure their system to put almost all of that money into primary healthcare. Top equipment. Top specialist medical teams etc. But there is almost no secondary care. Once you are out of serious danger and on the ward, it is up to the families to wash and change bed linen. Bring in food. Bed bath. Etc. Not sure what happens to those with no family as no experience of that.
My opinion only of course, but we should indeed make health tourism impossible with it being mandatory for anyone entering the UK to have health insurance that is valid for the full duration of their stay. For anyone emigrating to the UK, they should have to have health insurance for two years until they have paid into the system through tax and NI. If they are being sponsored by an employer that company will need to provide the two year health insurance. The NHS should prioritise non-elective procedures (ie those to save or prolong life) - maybe they already do? In fact if it really came down to only having so much money then the NHS should stop providing elective procedures.
However, the people who are often the ones who shout that the NHS is too expensive yadda yadda are also the same ones who do not seem to be outraged by the current Govt’s corrupt handling of Covid and the £billions transferred into the hands of cronies. They shout the NHS is not fit for purpose but seem to passively accept that the DHSC wrote off £8billion on substandard PPE.
The money is there, or would be if all the right taxes were being paid/collected and cronies were not fleecing the NHS."
NHS GP's are paid by the number of patients in their practice, they also get targets to cut down on prescription costs that can penalise or reward them.
Personally I feel this method of payment is part of the problem we are facing with long wait times.
GP's want lots of people on their books for the money but when those people are getting older, or we have influx of requests to see a doctor through, outbreak illnesses such as covid, or flu, it breaks their system.
Are GP's helping us or helping themselves? It is a question worth asking. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions.
Lolz “doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home” you may want to qualify that because they are not paying for those with their NHS salaries. That will be from their private practice. You know of course that in the UK to practice private medicine you have to work a certain minimum number of hours each year in the NHS.
The NHS does need reform without doubt. Someone above rightly points out the madness of duplication of management and admin across multiple hospital trusts, I have pointed out the chaos caused by part privatisation and thus introducing profit motive into healthcare.
Obviously I do not have the answers, only opinions, but some serious prioritisation needs to take place along with consolidation to remove duplication.
An example I have first hand experience of is healthcare in Spain. Their Govt can only afford a certain budget each year. So they structure their system to put almost all of that money into primary healthcare. Top equipment. Top specialist medical teams etc. But there is almost no secondary care. Once you are out of serious danger and on the ward, it is up to the families to wash and change bed linen. Bring in food. Bed bath. Etc. Not sure what happens to those with no family as no experience of that.
My opinion only of course, but we should indeed make health tourism impossible with it being mandatory for anyone entering the UK to have health insurance that is valid for the full duration of their stay. For anyone emigrating to the UK, they should have to have health insurance for two years until they have paid into the system through tax and NI. If they are being sponsored by an employer that company will need to provide the two year health insurance. The NHS should prioritise non-elective procedures (ie those to save or prolong life) - maybe they already do? In fact if it really came down to only having so much money then the NHS should stop providing elective procedures.
However, the people who are often the ones who shout that the NHS is too expensive yadda yadda are also the same ones who do not seem to be outraged by the current Govt’s corrupt handling of Covid and the £billions transferred into the hands of cronies. They shout the NHS is not fit for purpose but seem to passively accept that the DHSC wrote off £8billion on substandard PPE.
The money is there, or would be if all the right taxes were being paid/collected and cronies were not fleecing the NHS.
NHS GP's are paid by the number of patients in their practice, they also get targets to cut down on prescription costs that can penalise or reward them.
Personally I feel this method of payment is part of the problem we are facing with long wait times.
GP's want lots of people on their books for the money but when those people are getting older, or we have influx of requests to see a doctor through, outbreak illnesses such as covid, or flu, it breaks their system.
Are GP's helping us or helping themselves? It is a question worth asking."
Have a look into how many GP practices have been sold off to big healthcare providers from the USA! Profit has no place in the healthcare of a civilised society.
As said by poster above, healthcare should be a universal right and not dictated by wealth. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions.
Lolz “doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home” you may want to qualify that because they are not paying for those with their NHS salaries. That will be from their private practice. You know of course that in the UK to practice private medicine you have to work a certain minimum number of hours each year in the NHS.
The NHS does need reform without doubt. Someone above rightly points out the madness of duplication of management and admin across multiple hospital trusts, I have pointed out the chaos caused by part privatisation and thus introducing profit motive into healthcare.
Obviously I do not have the answers, only opinions, but some serious prioritisation needs to take place along with consolidation to remove duplication.
An example I have first hand experience of is healthcare in Spain. Their Govt can only afford a certain budget each year. So they structure their system to put almost all of that money into primary healthcare. Top equipment. Top specialist medical teams etc. But there is almost no secondary care. Once you are out of serious danger and on the ward, it is up to the families to wash and change bed linen. Bring in food. Bed bath. Etc. Not sure what happens to those with no family as no experience of that.
My opinion only of course, but we should indeed make health tourism impossible with it being mandatory for anyone entering the UK to have health insurance that is valid for the full duration of their stay. For anyone emigrating to the UK, they should have to have health insurance for two years until they have paid into the system through tax and NI. If they are being sponsored by an employer that company will need to provide the two year health insurance. The NHS should prioritise non-elective procedures (ie those to save or prolong life) - maybe they already do? In fact if it really came down to only having so much money then the NHS should stop providing elective procedures.
However, the people who are often the ones who shout that the NHS is too expensive yadda yadda are also the same ones who do not seem to be outraged by the current Govt’s corrupt handling of Covid and the £billions transferred into the hands of cronies. They shout the NHS is not fit for purpose but seem to passively accept that the DHSC wrote off £8billion on substandard PPE.
The money is there, or would be if all the right taxes were being paid/collected and cronies were not fleecing the NHS.
NHS GP's are paid by the number of patients in their practice, they also get targets to cut down on prescription costs that can penalise or reward them.
Personally I feel this method of payment is part of the problem we are facing with long wait times.
GP's want lots of people on their books for the money but when those people are getting older, or we have influx of requests to see a doctor through, outbreak illnesses such as covid, or flu, it breaks their system.
Are GP's helping us or helping themselves? It is a question worth asking."
it is. How this would change under privatisation is also a question worth asking.
It's very hard to remove incentives to act, or not act. That's a function of human nature. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions.
Lolz “doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home” you may want to qualify that because they are not paying for those with their NHS salaries. That will be from their private practice. You know of course that in the UK to practice private medicine you have to work a certain minimum number of hours each year in the NHS.
The NHS does need reform without doubt. Someone above rightly points out the madness of duplication of management and admin across multiple hospital trusts, I have pointed out the chaos caused by part privatisation and thus introducing profit motive into healthcare.
Obviously I do not have the answers, only opinions, but some serious prioritisation needs to take place along with consolidation to remove duplication.
An example I have first hand experience of is healthcare in Spain. Their Govt can only afford a certain budget each year. So they structure their system to put almost all of that money into primary healthcare. Top equipment. Top specialist medical teams etc. But there is almost no secondary care. Once you are out of serious danger and on the ward, it is up to the families to wash and change bed linen. Bring in food. Bed bath. Etc. Not sure what happens to those with no family as no experience of that.
My opinion only of course, but we should indeed make health tourism impossible with it being mandatory for anyone entering the UK to have health insurance that is valid for the full duration of their stay. For anyone emigrating to the UK, they should have to have health insurance for two years until they have paid into the system through tax and NI. If they are being sponsored by an employer that company will need to provide the two year health insurance. The NHS should prioritise non-elective procedures (ie those to save or prolong life) - maybe they already do? In fact if it really came down to only having so much money then the NHS should stop providing elective procedures.
However, the people who are often the ones who shout that the NHS is too expensive yadda yadda are also the same ones who do not seem to be outraged by the current Govt’s corrupt handling of Covid and the £billions transferred into the hands of cronies. They shout the NHS is not fit for purpose but seem to passively accept that the DHSC wrote off £8billion on substandard PPE.
The money is there, or would be if all the right taxes were being paid/collected and cronies were not fleecing the NHS.
NHS GP's are paid by the number of patients in their practice, they also get targets to cut down on prescription costs that can penalise or reward them.
Personally I feel this method of payment is part of the problem we are facing with long wait times.
GP's want lots of people on their books for the money but when those people are getting older, or we have influx of requests to see a doctor through, outbreak illnesses such as covid, or flu, it breaks their system.
Are GP's helping us or helping themselves? It is a question worth asking.
Have a look into how many GP practices have been sold off to big healthcare providers from the USA! Profit has no place in the healthcare of a civilised society.
As said by poster above, healthcare should be a universal right and not dictated by wealth."
It is being dictated by wealth with the current NHS system. People are suffering and dying because they can't get care from the NHS. Those who can pay, go privately.
So why not just throw more money at the problem? We have been, and things aren't getting better they are getting worse. Sooner or later someone is going to have to bite the bullet and impose total reform, but at the moment there simply isn't the political will, the politicians are too cowardly. So they raise taxes and print more money and stick another plaster on it. |
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"The NHS is a cult for many people in the UK which stops any rational debate as to how health care can be better provided. Any attempts to have any logical discussion is just met with the usual mantras of "you want to privatise the NHS! You want to turn it into a US system!".
And politicians are hugely to blame for perpetuating this deranged religion through all the "our NHS" crap. It isn't ours it's run for the benefit of the NHS.
And it's much easier for politicians to keep pouring money down the drain on it. So they just say "look at us we are spending X billion more and raising taxes to pay for it. We love the NHS"! When they know full well it won't make any difference. And the service just gets worse and the doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home. It's a lot easier than having to take on the self serving medical unions.
Lolz “doctors get a new Tesla and holiday home” you may want to qualify that because they are not paying for those with their NHS salaries. That will be from their private practice. You know of course that in the UK to practice private medicine you have to work a certain minimum number of hours each year in the NHS.
The NHS does need reform without doubt. Someone above rightly points out the madness of duplication of management and admin across multiple hospital trusts, I have pointed out the chaos caused by part privatisation and thus introducing profit motive into healthcare.
Obviously I do not have the answers, only opinions, but some serious prioritisation needs to take place along with consolidation to remove duplication.
An example I have first hand experience of is healthcare in Spain. Their Govt can only afford a certain budget each year. So they structure their system to put almost all of that money into primary healthcare. Top equipment. Top specialist medical teams etc. But there is almost no secondary care. Once you are out of serious danger and on the ward, it is up to the families to wash and change bed linen. Bring in food. Bed bath. Etc. Not sure what happens to those with no family as no experience of that.
My opinion only of course, but we should indeed make health tourism impossible with it being mandatory for anyone entering the UK to have health insurance that is valid for the full duration of their stay. For anyone emigrating to the UK, they should have to have health insurance for two years until they have paid into the system through tax and NI. If they are being sponsored by an employer that company will need to provide the two year health insurance. The NHS should prioritise non-elective procedures (ie those to save or prolong life) - maybe they already do? In fact if it really came down to only having so much money then the NHS should stop providing elective procedures.
However, the people who are often the ones who shout that the NHS is too expensive yadda yadda are also the same ones who do not seem to be outraged by the current Govt’s corrupt handling of Covid and the £billions transferred into the hands of cronies. They shout the NHS is not fit for purpose but seem to passively accept that the DHSC wrote off £8billion on substandard PPE.
The money is there, or would be if all the right taxes were being paid/collected and cronies were not fleecing the NHS.
NHS GP's are paid by the number of patients in their practice, they also get targets to cut down on prescription costs that can penalise or reward them.
Personally I feel this method of payment is part of the problem we are facing with long wait times.
GP's want lots of people on their books for the money but when those people are getting older, or we have influx of requests to see a doctor through, outbreak illnesses such as covid, or flu, it breaks their system.
Are GP's helping us or helping themselves? It is a question worth asking.
Have a look into how many GP practices have been sold off to big healthcare providers from the USA! Profit has no place in the healthcare of a civilised society.
As said by poster above, healthcare should be a universal right and not dictated by wealth.
It is being dictated by wealth with the current NHS system. People are suffering and dying because they can't get care from the NHS. Those who can pay, go privately.
So why not just throw more money at the problem? We have been, and things aren't getting better they are getting worse. Sooner or later someone is going to have to bite the bullet and impose total reform, but at the moment there simply isn't the political will, the politicians are too cowardly. So they raise taxes and print more money and stick another plaster on it. "
So when you say “reform” what is your view on how they should fo that? I gave my opinions above. Not sure how workable they are but on the surface they seem, to me, to be common sense. What would you do? |
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PFI , initiated by John major in 1992 but used considerably more by the Labour Government of Tony Blair who had the chance to stop it but continued to use it on a vast scale . I can see a place for both Private and NHS ,surely if people want to pay then they can and that frees up space within the NHS . The nhs is being crippled by their spending or lack of it due to not funding the right departments within .
Private is currently being used to clear backlogs too after the pandemic. So I believe there is a place for both |
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I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system. |
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system. "
yet 7 minutes for a critical health problem. Compared to your 40 minutes per ems response.
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system. yet 7 minutes for a critical health problem. Compared to your 40 minutes per ems response. "
I would say money no object if a loved one is in dire need.
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system. yet 7 minutes for a critical health problem. Compared to your 40 minutes per ems response. I would say money no object if a loved one is in dire need."
Let’s hope you have the money!
You missed my questions to you earlier in the thread...
"TBH I don't like the NHS. The wait times are horrible in dire situations for your loved ones. But hey it's the Uk pride and joy . I'll stick with my privatized. I know my family gets the care that they need in a emergency."
I’m curious. Can you give a ball park figure for how much the average monthly health insurance payment is?
Also, are you locked in to one insurance provider? What I mean by that is if you got ill tomorrow, got treatment paid by insurer, if next year you wanted to change to a new insurance provider, would they cover you for that illness? My understanding is they would not as they would class that as a pre-existing condition. So that locks you in to current insurer who xan then start increasing your premiums as you are now a higher risk.
What about the insurer providing cover for hereditary conditions? Lifestyle related conditions (smoking related cancer for example)?
Also does the insurer have an upper limit on what they will pay out? Does that apply to primary and secondary care? If your new conditions results in being on a cocktail of drugs for rest of life, does the insurer pay for that?
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system. "
I am not sure it is correct that the UK spends considerably less than the rest of Europe. The only European countries that spend more than us as a percentage of GDP are Germany and France, and France spends only a tiny amount more.
NHS cultists seem to swing between telling us the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world, and that it would be if only we spent even more money on it. I'm not sure it can be both.
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By *irldn OP Couple
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system.
I am not sure it is correct that the UK spends considerably less than the rest of Europe. The only European countries that spend more than us as a percentage of GDP are Germany and France, and France spends only a tiny amount more.
NHS cultists seem to swing between telling us the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world, and that it would be if only we spent even more money on it. I'm not sure it can be both.
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So what is your alternative and why? |
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system. yet 7 minutes for a critical health problem. Compared to your 40 minutes per ems response. I would say money no object if a loved one is in dire need."
urgent cases are 8.5 minutes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58499857
Would you call an ambulance in the US for a broken leg ? Or being out cold d*unk?
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Noone is hearing ... we've had a major health crisis, that is consistently growing year on year for the last 20 years that we simply cannot afford. Couple this with a lack of old age care packages (bed blocking)
It costs the NHS more than smoking and drinking (just the liver related not the falls, violence etc) put together ... both smokers and drinkers pay more in tax than cost the NHS
If anyone wants the actual figures they are available on the Government's website
And it's a crisis that we, the people, need to take responsibility for.
But literally the obesity crisis is breaking the NHS and one we are all paying for |
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system.
I am not sure it is correct that the UK spends considerably less than the rest of Europe. The only European countries that spend more than us as a percentage of GDP are Germany and France, and France spends only a tiny amount more.
NHS cultists seem to swing between telling us the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world, and that it would be if only we spent even more money on it. I'm not sure it can be both.
So what is your alternative and why?"
There are a whole myriad of alternative systems available which we could learn from around the world. Unlike the NHS religionists I am open to exploring what alternatives might improve healthcare in the UK. We have tried spending more money on the NHS and it clearly isn't working.
And not forgetting of course the £500 billion that was spent during COVID to "protect the NHS" which far from protecting it seems to have finished it off.
It's the NHS religionists who aren't open to change. They basically treat the UK population like domestic abuse victims: "we know the NHS is bad but the only alternative is the US system so keep taking the beating"!
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"Noone is hearing ... we've had a major health crisis, that is consistently growing year on year for the last 20 years that we simply cannot afford. Couple this with a lack of old age care packages (bed blocking)
It costs the NHS more than smoking and drinking (just the liver related not the falls, violence etc) put together ... both smokers and drinkers pay more in tax than cost the NHS
If anyone wants the actual figures they are available on the Government's website
And it's a crisis that we, the people, need to take responsibility for.
But literally the obesity crisis is breaking the NHS and one we are all paying for"
Obesity is a huge issue and will only get worse now that lazy fuckers too idle to prepare their own food can get anything delivered by some poor kid on a bike , even a fucking sandwich! |
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system.
I am not sure it is correct that the UK spends considerably less than the rest of Europe. The only European countries that spend more than us as a percentage of GDP are Germany and France, and France spends only a tiny amount more.
NHS cultists seem to swing between telling us the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world, and that it would be if only we spent even more money on it. I'm not sure it can be both.
So what is your alternative and why?
There are a whole myriad of alternative systems available which we could learn from around the world. Unlike the NHS religionists I am open to exploring what alternatives might improve healthcare in the UK. We have tried spending more money on the NHS and it clearly isn't working.
And not forgetting of course the £500 billion that was spent during COVID to "protect the NHS" which far from protecting it seems to have finished it off.
It's the NHS religionists who aren't open to change. They basically treat the UK population like domestic abuse victims: "we know the NHS is bad but the only alternative is the US system so keep taking the beating"!
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End of the day France spend about 1k more per head of population than we do. Fag packet calculation that's about 70 billion a year more than the NHS gets. Germany is nearer double that. So, we'll over a 100 billion more than the NHS gets. The US system consumes vast amounts of public money that dwarfs anything even close. So, we certainly don't want that.
Personally I believe if you pumped 70 billion extra a year into the NHS it would do wonders, obviously accounting for inflation year on year. How is my belief ideological?? |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Noone is hearing ... we've had a major health crisis, that is consistently growing year on year for the last 20 years that we simply cannot afford. Couple this with a lack of old age care packages (bed blocking)
It costs the NHS more than smoking and drinking (just the liver related not the falls, violence etc) put together ... both smokers and drinkers pay more in tax than cost the NHS
If anyone wants the actual figures they are available on the Government's website
And it's a crisis that we, the people, need to take responsibility for.
But literally the obesity crisis is breaking the NHS and one we are all paying for"
I suspect people do hear and recognise this but what is your solution?
Do you support privatisation? Increased funding of NHS? Reorganisation of NHS?
What we need (and sometimes have but it falls away) is an integrated national well being strategy. In very simple terms...
1) Better education enables people to make better decisions and equip themselves to more easily escape poverty.
2) It is proven that the poorer you are the less likely you are to have a good quality diet leading to obesity.
3) Incentivise the food industry to provide better quality healthier food and cheap prices and disincentivise unhealthy food.
4) Strongly promote and enable healthier lifestyles starting with increased sport provision in schools (and stop the selling off of school sports grounds etc).
Etc etc
If you take fundamental and radical action to make the population as a whole healthier, you ultimately reduce the strain on healthcare AND have a more productive workforce! |
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over a year ago
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system.
I am not sure it is correct that the UK spends considerably less than the rest of Europe. The only European countries that spend more than us as a percentage of GDP are Germany and France, and France spends only a tiny amount more.
NHS cultists seem to swing between telling us the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world, and that it would be if only we spent even more money on it. I'm not sure it can be both.
So what is your alternative and why?
There are a whole myriad of alternative systems available which we could learn from around the world. Unlike the NHS religionists I am open to exploring what alternatives might improve healthcare in the UK. We have tried spending more money on the NHS and it clearly isn't working.
And not forgetting of course the £500 billion that was spent during COVID to "protect the NHS" which far from protecting it seems to have finished it off.
It's the NHS religionists who aren't open to change. They basically treat the UK population like domestic abuse victims: "we know the NHS is bad but the only alternative is the US system so keep taking the beating"!
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Ok so what are they? Tell us what you would like to explore rather than simple sweeping statements? You seem to have something in mind but only make generalist opinion centred comments. Where’s the substance. Genuinely want to hear it not being confrontational! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"End of the day France spend about 1k more per head of population than we do. Fag packet calculation that's about 70 billion a year more than the NHS gets. Germany is nearer double that. So, we'll over a 100 billion more than the NHS gets. The US system consumes vast amounts of public money that dwarfs anything even close. So, we certainly don't want that.
Personally I believe if you pumped 70 billion extra a year into the NHS it would do wonders, obviously accounting for inflation year on year. How is my belief ideological?? "
Pumping 70 billion into a broken system is not the answer. We can fix the system or start a new system.
A new system being developed next to the existing system until the existing system can be closed could be a way forward.
There are a number of new hospitals being built right now, get them setup with new medical supply contracts, new and improved infrastructures and ways of working. See if those hospitals can start to make a difference and if they can blue print it for the rest. |
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"Noone is hearing ... we've had a major health crisis, that is consistently growing year on year for the last 20 years that we simply cannot afford. Couple this with a lack of old age care packages (bed blocking)
It costs the NHS more than smoking and drinking (just the liver related not the falls, violence etc) put together ... both smokers and drinkers pay more in tax than cost the NHS
If anyone wants the actual figures they are available on the Government's website
And it's a crisis that we, the people, need to take responsibility for.
But literally the obesity crisis is breaking the NHS and one we are all paying for
I suspect people do hear and recognise this but what is your solution?
Do you support privatisation? Increased funding of NHS? Reorganisation of NHS?
What we need (and sometimes have but it falls away) is an integrated national well being strategy. In very simple terms...
1) Better education enables people to make better decisions and equip themselves to more easily escape poverty.
2) It is proven that the poorer you are the less likely you are to have a good quality diet leading to obesity.
3) Incentivise the food industry to provide better quality healthier food and cheap prices and disincentivise unhealthy food.
4) Strongly promote and enable healthier lifestyles starting with increased sport provision in schools (and stop the selling off of school sports grounds etc).
Etc etc
If you take fundamental and radical action to make the population as a whole healthier, you ultimately reduce the strain on healthcare AND have a more productive workforce!"
Absolutely all the above ^^^ but that unfortunately will take far too long to save the NHS as it is right now and the problem will continue to keep growing |
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"I can't fathom the ignorance and flawed logic of those that think the NHS is too expensive to survive. You can find out what other governments spend on health systems in a matter of minutes via the Internet. We spend significantly less than most of Europe. The US spends considerably more in terms of gdp per capita than us or the French, Germans, Italians etc... If the NHS was better funded it would be an outstanding system.
I am not sure it is correct that the UK spends considerably less than the rest of Europe. The only European countries that spend more than us as a percentage of GDP are Germany and France, and France spends only a tiny amount more.
NHS cultists seem to swing between telling us the NHS is the best healthcare system in the world, and that it would be if only we spent even more money on it. I'm not sure it can be both.
So what is your alternative and why?
There are a whole myriad of alternative systems available which we could learn from around the world. Unlike the NHS religionists I am open to exploring what alternatives might improve healthcare in the UK. We have tried spending more money on the NHS and it clearly isn't working.
And not forgetting of course the £500 billion that was spent during COVID to "protect the NHS" which far from protecting it seems to have finished it off.
It's the NHS religionists who aren't open to change. They basically treat the UK population like domestic abuse victims: "we know the NHS is bad but the only alternative is the US system so keep taking the beating"!
End of the day France spend about 1k more per head of population than we do. Fag packet calculation that's about 70 billion a year more than the NHS gets. Germany is nearer double that. So, we'll over a 100 billion more than the NHS gets. The US system consumes vast amounts of public money that dwarfs anything even close. So, we certainly don't want that.
Personally I believe if you pumped 70 billion extra a year into the NHS it would do wonders, obviously accounting for inflation year on year. How is my belief ideological?? "
The starting points for me are:
1) Reinstate student grants for all medical students with a restriction such as must work in NHS a minimum of x years or grants become repayable.
2) Increase the pay of medical staff to attract and retain the best and ensure continued motivation.
3) Return to inhouse facilities management and national procurement aggregated purchasing power.
4) Ensure non-elective surgery is always prioritised in terms of funding and access (and probably review what elective surgery is offered full stop).
5) Remove possibility of health tourism through a mandatory requirement for all visitors and immigrants to have adequate health insurance (for people emigrating here they would have to have that for approx two years until they have paid into the system via tax and NI).
Sure there are others but starter for 10! |
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"Noone is hearing ... we've had a major health crisis, that is consistently growing year on year for the last 20 years that we simply cannot afford. Couple this with a lack of old age care packages (bed blocking)
It costs the NHS more than smoking and drinking (just the liver related not the falls, violence etc) put together ... both smokers and drinkers pay more in tax than cost the NHS
If anyone wants the actual figures they are available on the Government's website
And it's a crisis that we, the people, need to take responsibility for.
But literally the obesity crisis is breaking the NHS and one we are all paying for
I suspect people do hear and recognise this but what is your solution?
Do you support privatisation? Increased funding of NHS? Reorganisation of NHS?
What we need (and sometimes have but it falls away) is an integrated national well being strategy. In very simple terms...
1) Better education enables people to make better decisions and equip themselves to more easily escape poverty.
2) It is proven that the poorer you are the less likely you are to have a good quality diet leading to obesity.
3) Incentivise the food industry to provide better quality healthier food and cheap prices and disincentivise unhealthy food.
4) Strongly promote and enable healthier lifestyles starting with increased sport provision in schools (and stop the selling off of school sports grounds etc).
Etc etc
If you take fundamental and radical action to make the population as a whole healthier, you ultimately reduce the strain on healthcare AND have a more productive workforce!
Absolutely all the above ^^^ but that unfortunately will take far too long to save the NHS as it is right now and the problem will continue to keep growing "
So at the risk of repeating myself...what is your solution?
Too many people (not specifically aimed at you) complain and point the finger of blame without any thought or ideas about how to fix it. |
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"Noone is hearing ... we've had a major health crisis, that is consistently growing year on year for the last 20 years that we simply cannot afford. Couple this with a lack of old age care packages (bed blocking)
It costs the NHS more than smoking and drinking (just the liver related not the falls, violence etc) put together ... both smokers and drinkers pay more in tax than cost the NHS
If anyone wants the actual figures they are available on the Government's website
And it's a crisis that we, the people, need to take responsibility for.
But literally the obesity crisis is breaking the NHS and one we are all paying for
I suspect people do hear and recognise this but what is your solution?
Do you support privatisation? Increased funding of NHS? Reorganisation of NHS?
What we need (and sometimes have but it falls away) is an integrated national well being strategy. In very simple terms...
1) Better education enables people to make better decisions and equip themselves to more easily escape poverty.
2) It is proven that the poorer you are the less likely you are to have a good quality diet leading to obesity.
3) Incentivise the food industry to provide better quality healthier food and cheap prices and disincentivise unhealthy food.
4) Strongly promote and enable healthier lifestyles starting with increased sport provision in schools (and stop the selling off of school sports grounds etc).
Etc etc
If you take fundamental and radical action to make the population as a whole healthier, you ultimately reduce the strain on healthcare AND have a more productive workforce!
Absolutely all the above ^^^ but that unfortunately will take far too long to save the NHS as it is right now and the problem will continue to keep growing
So at the risk of repeating myself...what is your solution?
Too many people (not specifically aimed at you) complain and point the finger of blame without any thought or ideas about how to fix it."
I work in health and have absolutely no idea, not my field of expertise I'm afraid! All I know from my experience is less moaning about and take responsibility for our own health as opposed to leaving it too late to be helped which then costs astronomical amounts and can't be fixed! |
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"End of the day France spend about 1k more per head of population than we do. Fag packet calculation that's about 70 billion a year more than the NHS gets. Germany is nearer double that. So, we'll over a 100 billion more than the NHS gets. The US system consumes vast amounts of public money that dwarfs anything even close. So, we certainly don't want that.
Personally I believe if you pumped 70 billion extra a year into the NHS it would do wonders, obviously accounting for inflation year on year. How is my belief ideological??
Pumping 70 billion into a broken system is not the answer. We can fix the system or start a new system.
A new system being developed next to the existing system until the existing system can be closed could be a way forward.
There are a number of new hospitals being built right now, get them setup with new medical supply contracts, new and improved infrastructures and ways of working. See if those hospitals can start to make a difference and if they can blue print it for the rest. "
by a number of new hospitals, do you mean real new hospitals or a wing to an existing? The latter will be harder to role out this new way of working. The former leaves you with possibly two. Although they are probably already built or at least closed to.
Ignoring that, I suspect trying to run two systems will be a challenge. Who is old and who is new school ?
Or have I misunderstood and this isn't about NHS funding etc. Just how things are done. |
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"by a number of new hospitals, do you mean real new hospitals or a wing to an existing? The latter will be harder to role out this new way of working. The former leaves you with possibly two. Although they are probably already built or at least closed to.
Ignoring that, I suspect trying to run two systems will be a challenge. Who is old and who is new school ?
Or have I misunderstood and this isn't about NHS funding etc. Just how things are done. "
I have no idea what constitutes a new hospital, it is a minefield trying work it out! I think maybe 3 brand new hospitals are being built, it could be 25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59372348 |
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