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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So we are overjoyed that the price cap is going to be frozen.
But looney Truss wants you and me, the taxpayer to pay it off in the long run.
This is not a crisis of our making, yet once again we are the ones shouldering the burden.
I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets.
Truss is an absolute joke as a person and proves you can fail your way to the top. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"So we are overjoyed that the price cap is going to be frozen.
But looney Truss wants you and me, the taxpayer to pay it off in the long run.
This is not a crisis of our making, yet once again we are the ones shouldering the burden.
I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets.
Truss is an absolute joke as a person and proves you can fail your way to the top."
Anyone aware of any protests this weekend?
Putting this on our Children is a disgrace, it should be the Energy Wholesalers carrying this one. |
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"I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets."
Who, in the energy wholesale market, has the responsibility for increasing resilience and building resources to protect the consumer? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
No one - and therein lays the problem. Too easy to drill a hole in the ground and let the money cone flooding out of the Earth complete with destruction of our planet in the process.
Producers should have either been taxed or told to invest a set figure of profits into renewables or otherwise it would be done for them with their assets.
Are they "Energy companies" or Fossil Fuel providers?
Short sighted greed has let them completely avoid the other revenue stream they could be enjoying - free Sun and Wind Energy and leave us vulnerable.
Energy to me is more than Carbon based.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So we are overjoyed that the price cap is going to be frozen.
But looney Truss wants you and me, the taxpayer to pay it off in the long run.
This is not a crisis of our making, yet once again we are the ones shouldering the burden.
I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets.
Truss is an absolute joke as a person and proves you can fail your way to the top."
is it the responsibility of the wholesalers to protect the consumer?
For me, they shouldn't have free reign given the importance of the industry. But that's on HMG.
Their responsibility is to shareholders. And they are doing that well.
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Well, let us see.
In comes Truss (The poor man's Thatcher) and she commits to borrowing money from the Banks and on the bond market from the rich, which pleases the Conservative party sopporters. Then she cuts taxes, which pleases the rich Conservative party supporters. Then she avoids windfall taxes which pleases the rich Conservative party supporters.
And its all done using money borrowed in our name that we have to pay back. Same old, same old Conservatives so why is anyone surprised? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Successive governments have done nothing about our energy needs. They bought into the global interlocking economy and green energy fantasies. Russia has put paid to both of those.
We need more nuclear power plants and we the infrastructure put on our remote islands to deal with the waste. We also dont need the Chinese, or any other foreign power, building our power plants. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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Green energy isn't fantasy, it's a total phuck-up.
Government screwed up the Solar Industry.
They are pushing us into Heat Pump dreamland, that increases electricity for heating sixfold.
They failed on planning permissions integration of renewables on newbuilds.
They relaxed insulation ruling in newbuilds.
They allowed retail and commercial buildings to be put up without considering valuable roof space.
I very successfully use Green and Renewables myself (it's my hobby) and my Energy bill April '22 until next April will be no more than £200 cover 5 weeks in Winter when Sun is low and days are short. |
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"Successive governments have done nothing about our energy needs. They bought into the global interlocking economy and green energy fantasies. Russia has put paid to both of those.
We need more nuclear power plants and we the infrastructure put on our remote islands to deal with the waste. We also dont need the Chinese, or any other foreign power, building our power plants."
"green energy fantasies"
If we had started transitioning to renewable energy back when we should have, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Last week, boss of Iceland complaining of £60 million Energy bills, yet I am not aware of a single Solar Panel on any of their shops.
Strange that where ALDI and LIDL own the building itself, their roofs are covered in them. |
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"Green energy isn't fantasy, it's a total phuck-up.
Government screwed up the Solar Industry.
They are pushing us into Heat Pump dreamland, that increases electricity for heating sixfold.
They failed on planning permissions integration of renewables on newbuilds.
They relaxed insulation ruling in newbuilds.
They allowed retail and commercial buildings to be put up without considering valuable roof space.
I very successfully use Green and Renewables myself (it's my hobby) and my Energy bill April '22 until next April will be no more than £200 cover 5 weeks in Winter when Sun is low and days are short."
Cameron had a big solar push coming up to his election, scrapping plans for wind, wave, hydro, biogas etc, against all advice.
Pretty much as soon as he won the election he scrapped the whole thing.
People thinking that this government, and they're piss poor record on transitioning away from fossil fuels, is TOO green, is a testament to the power of propaganda pushed by the right wing media and fossil fuels industry. |
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"Last week, boss of Iceland complaining of £60 million Energy bills, yet I am not aware of a single Solar Panel on any of their shops.
Strange that where ALDI and LIDL own the building itself, their roofs are covered in them."
Lol, my first thought was. - but they have geothermal energy generation.  |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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School near me £20 million private investment upgrade. No Solar, their energy bill gas tripled to £145,000.
£175,000 investment on the roof space would have quartered it.
Hospice on the news, £6 million charity funded moaning care reduced due to bills. Go on Google Earth and they have a massive south facing roof - not a single panel.
Just no thinking out the box - I loose sympathy.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So we are overjoyed that the price cap is going to be frozen.
But looney Truss wants you and me, the taxpayer to pay it off in the long run.
This is not a crisis of our making, yet once again we are the ones shouldering the burden.
I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets.
Truss is an absolute joke as a person and proves you can fail your way to the top."
Totally agree with what you are saying. This is another bail out, and is another example of socialism for the rich. It's again the exact opposite of trickle down economics and the free market in this case, just like the banks is a sham. If someone is Conservative what are they voting for??
UK workers are just being used as cash cows, but never see the benefits of all the tax we pay. The services we all rely on get worse year on year and we are getting poorer. Other businesses reliant on energy are being hammered, to enrich the energy sector. Given that energy is such an important resource that can cause crazy push inflation like this. And has in the past why on earth would any sensible government have allowed this to manifest. By allowing spivs to use it packaged up as a wholesale trading commodity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Successive governments have done nothing about our energy needs. They bought into the global interlocking economy and green energy fantasies. Russia has put paid to both of those.
We need more nuclear power plants and we the infrastructure put on our remote islands to deal with the waste. We also dont need the Chinese, or any other foreign power, building our power plants."
How would this sound?
Energy
Energy use in buildings accounts for 56% of the UK’s total emissions, making it the single most polluting sector. We will develop the recommendations of our ‘30 by 2030’ report to put the UK on track for a net-zero-carbon energy system within the 2030s – and go faster if credible pathways can be found. We will deliver nearly 90% of electricity and 50% of heat from renewable and low-carbon sources by 2030.
We will build:
7,000 new offshore wind turbines
2,000 new onshore wind turbines
Enough solar panels to cover 22,000 football pitches.
New nuclear power needed for energy security.
We will trial and expand tidal energy and invest to reduce the costs of renewable and low-carbon hydrogen production. We will upgrade almost all of the UK’s 27 million homes to the highest energy-efficiency standards, reducing the average household energy bill by £417 per household per year by 2030 and eliminating fuel poverty. We will introduce a zero-carbon homes standard for all new homes.
As part of heat decarbonisation, we will roll out technologies like heat pumps, solar hot water and hydrogen, and invest in district heat networks using waste heat.
To balance the grid, we will expand power storage and invest in grid enhancements and interconnectors.
We will expand distributed and community energy, and immediately and permanently ban fracking.
We will support energy workers through transition and guarantee them retraining and a new, unionised job on equivalent terms and conditions.
We will introduce a windfall tax on oil companies, so that the companies that knowingly damaged our climate will help cover the costs. We will provide a strategy to safeguard the people, jobs and skills that depend on the offshore oil and gas industry. |
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"I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets."
"Who, in the energy wholesale market, has the responsibility for increasing resilience and building resources to protect the consumer?"
"No one - and therein lays the problem. ...
Producers should have either been taxed or told to invest a set figure of profits into renewables or otherwise it would be done for them with their assets."
Sounds to me like the blame lies with the government for not insisting on progress. You can't blame the energy wholesalers for not doing something that isn't in their own interests. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"So we are overjoyed that the price cap is going to be frozen.
But looney Truss wants you and me, the taxpayer to pay it off in the long run.
This is not a crisis of our making, yet once again we are the ones shouldering the burden.
I am all for sensible taxation, but this is a bailout of the energy wholesalers for years of incompetence on their side, putting profit before people and not being resilient enough to build the resources to protect the UK consumer from wild markets.
Truss is an absolute joke as a person and proves you can fail your way to the top."
Have I missed the proposal, have you got a crystal ball or are you going out on a limb.
Have I missed it, I can't see any news other than an update is due |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Successive governments have done nothing about our energy needs. They bought into the global interlocking economy and green energy fantasies. Russia has put paid to both of those.
We need more nuclear power plants and we the infrastructure put on our remote islands to deal with the waste. We also dont need the Chinese, or any other foreign power, building our power plants.
How would this sound?
Energy
Energy use in buildings accounts for 56% of the UK’s total emissions, making it the single most polluting sector. We will develop the recommendations of our ‘30 by 2030’ report to put the UK on track for a net-zero-carbon energy system within the 2030s – and go faster if credible pathways can be found. We will deliver nearly 90% of electricity and 50% of heat from renewable and low-carbon sources by 2030.
We will build:
7,000 new offshore wind turbines
2,000 new onshore wind turbines
Enough solar panels to cover 22,000 football pitches.
New nuclear power needed for energy security.
We will trial and expand tidal energy and invest to reduce the costs of renewable and low-carbon hydrogen production. We will upgrade almost all of the UK’s 27 million homes to the highest energy-efficiency standards, reducing the average household energy bill by £417 per household per year by 2030 and eliminating fuel poverty. We will introduce a zero-carbon homes standard for all new homes.
As part of heat decarbonisation, we will roll out technologies like heat pumps, solar hot water and hydrogen, and invest in district heat networks using waste heat.
To balance the grid, we will expand power storage and invest in grid enhancements and interconnectors.
We will expand distributed and community energy, and immediately and permanently ban fracking.
We will support energy workers through transition and guarantee them retraining and a new, unionised job on equivalent terms and conditions.
We will introduce a windfall tax on oil companies, so that the companies that knowingly damaged our climate will help cover the costs. We will provide a strategy to safeguard the people, jobs and skills that depend on the offshore oil and gas industry."
Reading this was an elation..
Just one point to add, domestic Solar should be fully encouraged with financial support with a Credit Union style loan, no Credit checks and no Credit listed on your file. Paid back at a set KWh rate such as 15p to 20p. Paid back by an additional meter fitted where this value is paid and passed back yo the fund. The scheme just shows you are paying another Energy supplier.
The Windmills you mentioned can then degass electricity and power industry and those without roofs. The reason and benefit for this, is every KWh generated on your own roof is cheap and ultimately FREE with ZERO demand on Grid.
But yes, absolutely right.
I have created a Petition on the Government website to support thus funding scheme, drop me a message if you are willing to sign it. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
They should NEVER have monetised export so high.
All you hear is "you get peanuts for it now". We sure ain't paying peanuts for Grid supplies.
It should have been make it, use every bit of it, like I do. That's battery to run the house, heaters and air conditioning during evenings for heating. This offsets annual gas to 2400kwh, low enough to run from LPG cylinders as I plan to from next month.
Then Hot Water, to finally this month anything left goes into the EV. I'm kicking myself for holding back on the EV.
The current 5kwh panels are giving just enough as car is hungry to run day to day, but another 3.2kwh going on roof next month to cater for it, which was the plan will give enough for 300 mile weekend road trips.
It's FIT payments at 62p/kwh then reductions is what put people off. Martin Lewis is same "Solar isn't worth it now FIT is reduced to 6p".
When do people wake up and realise it's bonkers to export for 6p then buy gas equivalent back at 8p and electricity at 28p later on? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
It's raining now, Solar dropped to 1.3kwh.
Car charger has dropped to min 1.4kwh, adding a little Grid to maintain. It's costing me 0.2kwh to put 1.4kwh into car and still run the house.
Big patch blue sky on its way, so charging will be non-Grid up to 4.5kwh shortly.
As I write, import dropped to 50watts Grid and just gone positive towards completely free. Charger will now track surplus to its max.
Is that not a great use of technology to save my pocket and the Climate? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Frankly I don't know why I have to pay for anything. Cars, food, mobile phones, holidays, Sky TV. All these people ripping me off for profit. It's time the government stepped in and started providing all this stuff for free.
And why should I work? Universal Basic Income should do it. I'll willingly accept £50k pa. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Frankly I don't know why I have to pay for anything. Cars, food, mobile phones, holidays, Sky TV. All these people ripping me off for profit. It's time the government stepped in and started providing all this stuff for free.
And why should I work? Universal Basic Income should do it. I'll willingly accept £50k pa."
I don’t think anyone expects anything for free. But for the essentials in life (ie not luxuries or things where people could choose to go without with no actual impact on their life) it is fair to expect that excess profiteering should not be allowed and that Governments should intervene.
The wholesale market price of gas (and oil) is being exploited by City energy traders, much to the delight of gas and oil producers and their shareholders. They are deliberately restricting supply to push up prices using the war in Ukraine as an excuse when it is actually possible to increase supply from other producers to balance out the reduction from Russia.
The price of oil dropped. This was in part due to the USA/Biden releasing their strategic reserves onto the market to push down prices. |
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"Frankly I don't know why I have to pay for anything. Cars, food, mobile phones, holidays, Sky TV. All these people ripping me off for profit. It's time the government stepped in and started providing all this stuff for free.
And why should I work? Universal Basic Income should do it. I'll willingly accept £50k pa."
That's right. There's only two options here.
1. no one works and everything is free.
2. Pensioners and vulnerable people freeze to death.
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"Frankly I don't know why I have to pay for anything. Cars, food, mobile phones, holidays, Sky TV. All these people ripping me off for profit. It's time the government stepped in and started providing all this stuff for free.
And why should I work? Universal Basic Income should do it. I'll willingly accept £50k pa.
That's right. There's only two options here.
1. no one works and everything is free.
2. Pensioners and vulnerable people freeze to death.
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"I am sat here while 2.5kwh is going into the car - for FREE."
Well it's not actually free is it. You had to pay for the panels and the batteries and the inverter.
Have you done the calculation to see how much electricity you use, and then divided the equipment costs to see what you're effectively paying per kWh? |
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Makes me mad.
Tories defending the energy companies saying that they already pay 40% tax and it would be unfair to tax them more.
Really??
Ahhhh booo hooo having to pay tax on your billions in profits bless them how will they survive!!!!!!
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Makes me mad.
Tories defending the energy companies saying that they already pay 40% tax and it would be unfair to tax them more.
Really??
Ahhhh booo hooo having to pay tax on your billions in profits bless them how will they survive!!!!!!
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Oil Companies are taxed at 65% on profits. |
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"Makes me mad.
Tories defending the energy companies saying that they already pay 40% tax and it would be unfair to tax them more.
Really??
Ahhhh booo hooo having to pay tax on your billions in profits bless them how will they survive!!!!!!
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Indeed. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"I am sat here while 2.5kwh is going into the car - for FREE.
Well it's not actually free is it. You had to pay for the panels and the batteries and the inverter.
Have you done the calculation to see how much electricity you use, and then divided the equipment costs to see what you're effectively paying per kWh?"
No - It's FREE.. the panels, current inverter paid for themselves against previous saved energy over 3yrs ago. So, as it stands today.. FREE
Did that calculation when electricity was 7.5p with expected 5yr. With increases, its nearly halved the payback time.
I also use 5x more annual electricity than before installation as Air conditioning on nearly every day, whether cooling or heating.
New inverter is an upgrade. Which will pay again for itself in 4 months. The old inverter is being sold to cover 70% of the cost.
So, until that inverter and a few extra panels is put in, it's a big fat ZERO pence per Kwh as it stands today. This is only to support more surplus power for the EV.
You're looking at it backwards. Once payback complete, then its 25yrs free energy bar 2x inverter replacements.
Producing 550kwh per month, that will go to 800kwh after upgrade to avoid as much as possible paying to charge the car.
Guy next door, I am on 19p/kwh until Sept '24, we're running a cable to his garage in a couple of weeks then splitting his house to run his 'baseline' at my rate, not 53p/kwh via meter in my garage.
As I'm caring...
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
When I save over £3000 per year, a system costing £9000 takes how long to payback?
Oh yeah, and when the lights go out in January. I'll be running on battery with the boiler on LPG, freezer still frozen, lights and TV still on - that's priceless. |
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"You're looking at it backwards. Once payback complete, then its 25yrs free energy bar 2x inverter replacements."
Playback time is a valid way to look at it. But I'd prefer to see 'cost of energy'.
If an installation costs £10,000, and it generates 10.000kWh, then it's costing £1 per kWh. If 10,000kWh is what it produces each year and it does it for 10 years, then it's costing £0.10 per kWh. (numbers invented to make the maths easier to see)
Do you have any figures for 'cost of energy', assuming 25 year life of panels, and battery and inverter replacements? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Because its my 'hobby'.
I have bought, sold, swapped, upgraded over the last 7yrs, so no..
One thing I do know is I'm paying £200 this year and I'll probably be dead before panels and batteries need replacement.
Do I need to know anymore than it's saved me a fortune, even more so over the next 5 yrs and ensuring that with another 7 yrs fixed on the mortgage that apart from food nothing else had or will change.
Hence the upgrade as the car has 200 miles per week and only had 6 days and 230 travelled.
The nitty gritty, I can't be bothered to calculate, the net is my energy is cheap, the car is free powered 10 months of the year.
And thinking of getting a hot tub.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"You're looking at it backwards. Once payback complete, then its 25yrs free energy bar 2x inverter replacements.
Playback time is a valid way to look at it. But I'd prefer to see 'cost of energy'.
If an installation costs £10,000, and it generates 10.000kWh, then it's costing £1 per kWh. If 10,000kWh is what it produces each year and it does it for 10 years, then it's costing £0.10 per kWh. (numbers invented to make the maths easier to see)
Do you have any figures for 'cost of energy', assuming 25 year life of panels, and battery and inverter replacements?"
I think you have answered your own question here, the longer he is generating his own power the cheaper it becomes, especially now a unit is so expensive.
I guess the easiest way to workout savings would be to add up how much was paid annually for Electric and gas before the switch to self sufficient, and then workout how many years of bills it would be to pay for the kit. When it breaks even, every day is pure profit.
Made up numbers:
Kit = 15K
Annual bills = 2.5k
Time to pay for itself 6 years.
10 years later saving 25K
Noddy working out, but it does give an idea of potential. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Noddy calculus is good..
Put it this way, I've been between careers and woke up last year wondering what my next work project would be as I only work for myself, never for someone.
Took a while but was right under my nose. Use everything I've learnt to sell the truth, not BS you get from a commission based salesman.
Your spot on, the longer it runs, the cheaper the average gets.
A guy I met to give some advice put it this way.
"If I spend £12k today, in 25 years, I'll have an extra £35k-£45k in my pension pot".
He was absolutely spot on.
Some people just try to convince themselves of the -ve's.
It's a leap of faith, but I know no-one who gave regretted fitting them. |
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"I am sat here while 2.5kwh is going into the car - for FREE.
Well it's not actually free is it. You had to pay for the panels and the batteries and the inverter.
Have you done the calculation to see how much electricity you use, and then divided the equipment costs to see what you're effectively paying per kWh?
No - It's FREE.. the panels, current inverter paid for themselves against previous saved energy over 3yrs ago. So, as it stands today.. FREE
Did that calculation when electricity was 7.5p with expected 5yr. With increases, its nearly halved the payback time.
I also use 5x more annual electricity than before installation as Air conditioning on nearly every day, whether cooling or heating.
New inverter is an upgrade. Which will pay again for itself in 4 months. The old inverter is being sold to cover 70% of the cost.
So, until that inverter and a few extra panels is put in, it's a big fat ZERO pence per Kwh as it stands today. This is only to support more surplus power for the EV.
You're looking at it backwards. Once payback complete, then its 25yrs free energy bar 2x inverter replacements.
Producing 550kwh per month, that will go to 800kwh after upgrade to avoid as much as possible paying to charge the car.
Guy next door, I am on 19p/kwh until Sept '24, we're running a cable to his garage in a couple of weeks then splitting his house to run his 'baseline' at my rate, not 53p/kwh via meter in my garage.
As I'm caring...
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Wait that last bit, your pulling in a new armoured from your supply to his DB, so he’ll be using your power at a cheaper rate and he’s just gonna pay your bill?
Do you get away with running everything off your system? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"I am sat here while 2.5kwh is going into the car - for FREE.
Well it's not actually free is it. You had to pay for the panels and the batteries and the inverter.
Have you done the calculation to see how much electricity you use, and then divided the equipment costs to see what you're effectively paying per kWh?
No - It's FREE.. the panels, current inverter paid for themselves against previous saved energy over 3yrs ago. So, as it stands today.. FREE
Did that calculation when electricity was 7.5p with expected 5yr. With increases, its nearly halved the payback time.
I also use 5x more annual electricity than before installation as Air conditioning on nearly every day, whether cooling or heating.
New inverter is an upgrade. Which will pay again for itself in 4 months. The old inverter is being sold to cover 70% of the cost.
So, until that inverter and a few extra panels is put in, it's a big fat ZERO pence per Kwh as it stands today. This is only to support more surplus power for the EV.
You're looking at it backwards. Once payback complete, then its 25yrs free energy bar 2x inverter replacements.
Producing 550kwh per month, that will go to 800kwh after upgrade to avoid as much as possible paying to charge the car.
Guy next door, I am on 19p/kwh until Sept '24, we're running a cable to his garage in a couple of weeks then splitting his house to run his 'baseline' at my rate, not 53p/kwh via meter in my garage.
As I'm caring...
Wait that last bit, your pulling in a new armoured from your supply to his DB, so he’ll be using your power at a cheaper rate and he’s just gonna pay your bill?
Do you get away with running everything off your system? "
Not quite. I cannot re-sell electricity.. so as I am so caring, I am giving it to him for free.
He said he's a caring guy to, he's giving me money towards the new car costs.
Transfer Switch with 6mm SWA cable. He has gas cooker, no tumble dryer so only TV, lights, fridge and washer, 6 metre run. He also benefits in power fail as long as we both reduce loads to baseline as I'll power his house from battery.
We're good neighbours and yes, 6kw inverter is plenty for me.
He's getting Solar next year but needs roof doing first. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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Just found Tesco 3 miles away have free 22kw EV chargers.
Might be visiting there more often this winter to keep heaters, air conditioning on longer.
Charge my car at Tesco and rent out the home charger during the day. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Here's a thought..
New generation of EVs can store then backfeed to the Grid. Buy electricity cheap, sell back higher using car battery.
So - drive to local free charger, charge car, drive home and use battery to power the house while washing and tumble drying..
Might be changing car sooner than expected..
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"Truss used to work for Shell. Just saying."
Extremely good news for most people . The majority of people would admire the success of a company such as Dhell. You would need to have exceptional talent to secure a role with them
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"Truss used to work for Shell. Just saying. Extremely good news for most people . The majority of people would admire the success of a company such as Dhell. You would need to have exceptional talent to secure a role with them "
Amazing, this troll character you made up, really fucking hates British people.
I can't imagine there are people out there with these views. That the government should be working directly for Shell etc and fuck the people. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
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I live a few miles from the infamous Lancashire site.
I'll be superglued to the road.. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
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How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option . |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option ."
I would rather move away from the reliance on short term policies that are designed to make shell and other companies who sponsor to Conservative party richer. And instead, invest some of the money used to prop up the fossil fuels industry to transition to cheap, clean renewable energy generation.
Long term plan, cheap energy, reduced reliance on outside influences like war in Ukraine and doesn't destroy the planet. Win/win/win |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
I would rather move away from the reliance on short term policies that are designed to make shell and other companies who sponsor to Conservative party richer. And instead, invest some of the money used to prop up the fossil fuels industry to transition to cheap, clean renewable energy generation.
Long term plan, cheap energy, reduced reliance on outside influences like war in Ukraine and doesn't destroy the planet. Win/win/win"
Cheap energy will never happen while you have consecutive political party policy to the contrary and the hugh quarterly tax receipt to the exchequer. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
I would rather move away from the reliance on short term policies that are designed to make shell and other companies who sponsor to Conservative party richer. And instead, invest some of the money used to prop up the fossil fuels industry to transition to cheap, clean renewable energy generation.
Long term plan, cheap energy, reduced reliance on outside influences like war in Ukraine and doesn't destroy the planet. Win/win/win"
Your a tiny island you always going to be influenced by outside resources. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
I would rather move away from the reliance on short term policies that are designed to make shell and other companies who sponsor to Conservative party richer. And instead, invest some of the money used to prop up the fossil fuels industry to transition to cheap, clean renewable energy generation.
Long term plan, cheap energy, reduced reliance on outside influences like war in Ukraine and doesn't destroy the planet. Win/win/win Your a tiny island you always going to be influenced by outside resources. "
Maybe. But we should be working towards mitigating it. But instead the government wants to make sure the oil companies who donate to them are properly served. Regardless if it fucks us all and destroys the planet. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
I would rather move away from the reliance on short term policies that are designed to make shell and other companies who sponsor to Conservative party richer. And instead, invest some of the money used to prop up the fossil fuels industry to transition to cheap, clean renewable energy generation.
Long term plan, cheap energy, reduced reliance on outside influences like war in Ukraine and doesn't destroy the planet. Win/win/win
Cheap energy will never happen while you have consecutive political party policy to the contrary and the hugh quarterly tax receipt to the exchequer."
It'll never happen while the government works in the interests of the fossil fuels industry. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option ."
We want energy independence and self sufficiency, renewables offer the best way of being in control of our own energy destiny. Not beholden to some foreign country or some fossil fuel company pulling the strings.
Surely as an American you don’t want the same? Why do you stop your allies from having it also. I’ll tell you why, America needs customers to drive its economy, no customers, no money, no jobs, then your US economy goes down the shitter.
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
We want energy independence and self sufficiency, renewables offer the best way of being in control of our own energy destiny. Not beholden to some foreign country or some fossil fuel company pulling the strings.
Surely as an American you don’t want the same? Why do you stop your allies from having it also. I’ll tell you why, America needs customers to drive its economy, no customers, no money, no jobs, then your US economy goes down the shitter.
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Also the "green agenda" is in the interest of every single living and yet to be born human. Not sure why this is seen as a negative thing. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
We want energy independence and self sufficiency, renewables offer the best way of being in control of our own energy destiny. Not beholden to some foreign country or some fossil fuel company pulling the strings.
Surely as an American you don’t want the same? Why do you stop your allies from having it also. I’ll tell you why, America needs customers to drive its economy, no customers, no money, no jobs, then your US economy goes down the shitter.
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remember maga policy to your standpoint. It's a isolationist policy is it not ? You know the hell with other countries we come first. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
I would rather move away from the reliance on short term policies that are designed to make shell and other companies who sponsor to Conservative party richer. And instead, invest some of the money used to prop up the fossil fuels industry to transition to cheap, clean renewable energy generation.
Long term plan, cheap energy, reduced reliance on outside influences like war in Ukraine and doesn't destroy the planet. Win/win/win
Cheap energy will never happen while you have consecutive political party policy to the contrary and the hugh quarterly tax receipt to the exchequer.
It'll never happen while the government works in the interests of the fossil fuels industry."
Political party in office not the government that use legislation and lobbying for the interest of corporations. |
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"Well at least she opened up fracking . Unlike our current administration. Bravo to truss.
Erm, this fucks over British people, the planet, and benefits only big oil and gas companies.
How so there is a energy crisis there this winter. You rather see families freeze to promote your green agenda? This a viable option .
We want energy independence and self sufficiency, renewables offer the best way of being in control of our own energy destiny. Not beholden to some foreign country or some fossil fuel company pulling the strings.
Surely as an American you don’t want the same? Why do you stop your allies from having it also. I’ll tell you why, America needs customers to drive its economy, no customers, no money, no jobs, then your US economy goes down the shitter.
remember maga policy to your standpoint. It's a isolationist policy is it not ? You know the hell with other countries we come first."
"Maga" isn't a policy, it was a slogan used to make people vote for Trump so he could line his own pockets and give himself tax breaks. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Truss used to work for Shell. Just saying. Extremely good news for most people . The majority of people would admire the success of a company such as Dhell. You would need to have exceptional talent to secure a role with them "
I expect they would trust people not to make typos or be able to spell at very least 
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Interesting. Just bought a small house with all electric. No gas.
Huge loft that’s already boarded out + easy run to the DB
Looking at solar but I don’t expect to be here in 5 years so I’m doubting it’s worth the investment |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Add the cost of the installation to the sale price, they'll snatch your hands of.
People will pay a premium for a low "Import" property.
Trust me, you get your money back, plus some as these prices are here for 5 to 10 yrs. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Makes me mad.
Tories defending the energy companies saying that they already pay 40% tax and it would be unfair to tax them more.
Really??
Ahhhh booo hooo having to pay tax on your billions in profits bless them how will they survive!!!!!!
Oil Companies are taxed at 65% on profits."
That seems rather large percentage but don't doubt your figure. As these companies are making these huge profits, is the government getting 65% of them. If so that's quite a chunk of money |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Interesting. Just bought a small house with all electric. No gas.
Huge loft that’s already boarded out + easy run to the DB
Looking at solar but I don’t expect to be here in 5 years so I’m doubting it’s worth the investment "
Get yourself a log burner with a back boiler built in. Pump through heater coil to a hot water cylinder and get a few bulk bags if dried logs.
Just make sure you can power the pump with no mains else it might explode!! |
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"Interesting. Just bought a small house with all electric. No gas.
Huge loft that’s already boarded out + easy run to the DB
Looking at solar but I don’t expect to be here in 5 years so I’m doubting it’s worth the investment
Get yourself a log burner with a back boiler built in. Pump through heater coil to a hot water cylinder and get a few bulk bags if dried logs.
Just make sure you can power the pump with no mains else it might explode!!"
I’ll avoid any explosions and just bypass the meter |
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If the energy system in this country had not been privitised and finacialised we would be doing OK. Considering we get about 50% of our energy from renewable and about 20% from nuclear. The 30% we get from gas is mostly from the north sea. But alas the Tories/Thatcher sold it off on the cheap to be carved up and financialised. Then packaged into a whole sale commodity based on the price of the most expensive form of energy (gas). This was so that spivs could create a whole sale market to speculate on it. Also it never was nor never could be a free market, what an utter scam! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If the energy system in this country had not been privitised and finacialised we would be doing OK. Considering we get about 50% of our energy from renewable and about 20% from nuclear. The 30% we get from gas is mostly from the north sea. But alas the Tories/Thatcher sold it off on the cheap to be carved up and financialised. Then packaged into a whole sale commodity based on the price of the most expensive form of energy (gas). This was so that spivs could create a whole sale market to speculate on it. Also it never was nor never could be a free market, what an utter scam! "
Out of interest, how did you come to this conclusion? How much better off would we be? |
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"If the energy system in this country had not been privitised and finacialised we would be doing OK. Considering we get about 50% of our energy from renewable and about 20% from nuclear. The 30% we get from gas is mostly from the north sea. But alas the Tories/Thatcher sold it off on the cheap to be carved up and financialised. Then packaged into a whole sale commodity based on the price of the most expensive form of energy (gas). This was so that spivs could create a whole sale market to speculate on it. Also it never was nor never could be a free market, what an utter scam!
Out of interest, how did you come to this conclusion? How much better off would we be? "
The cost per kwh from the renewables and Nuclear is cheaper than the gas. I believe as the wholesale energy price is based on the Gas price. Obviously the whole sale price is higher because of the restricted supply of the gas from Russia. Ours is from North Sea. If we were running a nationalised energy supply that was not based on buying from a wholesale energy market. Of course it would be more secure and cheaper. Also we would not be paying the cost of the billing companies that went bankrupt through margin calls on the energy futures they bought. |
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"If the energy system in this country had not been privitised and finacialised we would be doing OK. Considering we get about 50% of our energy from renewable and about 20% from nuclear. The 30% we get from gas is mostly from the north sea. But alas the Tories/Thatcher sold it off on the cheap to be carved up and financialised. Then packaged into a whole sale commodity based on the price of the most expensive form of energy (gas). This was so that spivs could create a whole sale market to speculate on it. Also it never was nor never could be a free market, what an utter scam!
Out of interest, how did you come to this conclusion? How much better off would we be?
The cost per kwh from the renewables and Nuclear is cheaper than the gas. I believe as the wholesale energy price is based on the Gas price. Obviously the whole sale price is higher because of the restricted supply of the gas from Russia. Ours is from North Sea. If we were running a nationalised energy supply that was not based on buying from a wholesale energy market. Of course it would be more secure and cheaper. Also we would not be paying the cost of the billing companies that went bankrupt through margin calls on the energy futures they bought. "
TBH Putin was smart. You all squabbling over energy costs. SMH. |
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"If the energy system in this country had not been privitised and finacialised we would be doing OK. Considering we get about 50% of our energy from renewable and about 20% from nuclear. The 30% we get from gas is mostly from the north sea. But alas the Tories/Thatcher sold it off on the cheap to be carved up and financialised. Then packaged into a whole sale commodity based on the price of the most expensive form of energy (gas). This was so that spivs could create a whole sale market to speculate on it. Also it never was nor never could be a free market, what an utter scam!
Out of interest, how did you come to this conclusion? How much better off would we be?
The cost per kwh from the renewables and Nuclear is cheaper than the gas. I believe as the wholesale energy price is based on the Gas price. Obviously the whole sale price is higher because of the restricted supply of the gas from Russia. Ours is from North Sea. If we were running a nationalised energy supply that was not based on buying from a wholesale energy market. Of course it would be more secure and cheaper. Also we would not be paying the cost of the billing companies that went bankrupt through margin calls on the energy futures they bought. TBH Putin was smart. You all squabbling over energy costs. SMH."
coming out of a pandemic we're everything was shutdown on the supply side it created inflation. Putin took the opportunity to strike when everyone is hurting. Suck it up like everyone else . |
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"Considering we get about 50% of our energy from renewable and about 20% from nuclear."
It's more like 40% from 'renewables', and just less than 20% from nuclear. Fossil fuels still make up the largest segment of electricity generation.
You can check the figures for yourself at gridwatch.co.uk. At the moment, because it's dark, gas and coal are making 63% of our electricity. When the sun comes up, and everyone goes to work, it's still likely to be over 50% from gas (like it was yesterday). |
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