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"Brexit has nothing to do with this, it's just a duck call to divide people away from the real problems. Energy prices are screwing folk over on a global scale to varying degrees. Macron has said to his own people that the times of plenty are over. (Despite France having more nuclear power stations than China). Wealthy groups are pushing this. There can be no other logical explanation. If energy companies are allowed to lobby our governments so they profit massively while everyone else suffers." There are many factors. Brexit is one of them. | |||
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"Folk complain of boats on the south coast, including us, but makes you think if there won't be boats going the other way in the future. Things could actually get quite horrible for us all." For the first time in my life, I am seriously thinking of selling everything and moving from the country I was born in. I have started discussing it with other members of my family. | |||
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"Brexit,brexit ffs" The decreasing value of the £ is hugely linked to the economic turmoil being caused by Brexit. You may not like that but it is true. We but oil and gas in $. So a weaker £ against the $ means our prices go up. I am not making this up! | |||
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"Brexit,brexit ffs The decreasing value of the £ is hugely linked to the economic turmoil being caused by Brexit. You may not like that but it is true. We but oil and gas in $. So a weaker £ against the $ means our prices go up. I am not making this up!" *we BUY oil and gas | |||
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"Brexit has nothing to do with this, it's just a duck call to divide people away from the real problems. Energy prices are screwing folk over on a global scale to varying degrees. Macron has said to his own people that the times of plenty are over. (Despite France having more nuclear power stations than China). Wealthy groups are pushing this. There can be no other logical explanation. If energy companies are allowed to lobby our governments so they profit massively while everyone else suffers." See my other response. Brexit is a major factor due to value of £. However, the wholesale price is being driven by city based energy traders war profiteering to the joy of the oil and gaa extraction companies (like Shell and BP) | |||
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"Folk complain of boats on the south coast, including us, but makes you think if there won't be boats going the other way in the future. Things could actually get quite horrible for us all. For the first time in my life, I am seriously thinking of selling everything and moving from the country I was born in. I have started discussing it with other members of my family. " where have you thought about migrating to? | |||
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"I’m currently in Germany. Huge issues & worries here also. Having said that, I’m on a restaurant terrace overlooking the Rhine, the restaurant is packed and huge boats are up and down, despite the climate change fanatics telling us the river has boiled and shrivelled to a stream. " If your in Germany then the news is worse as the euro has been dropping below parity with the dollar for several days now. The Japanese yen is also at its lowest to the dollar for many years. The BBC report says it's a strong dollar given its a safe haven and they are likely to raise their interest rates again | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? " All good apart from just one thing. The thread is about £GBP exchange rates. If not Brexit related (at all, not even a teeny bit) what reason do you think investors have for dumping the £GBP on the world markets despite two recent interest rate rises? And by the way - energy costs are the primary source of inflation now and these prices are doing what interest rate rises would normally by sucking cash out of the economy. I am sure you have read somewhere that the BoE is to blame, but as I said on a previous thread, it really isn’t. There is no need to raise interest raises for inflation that is caused by rising energy cost because the rising cost of energy is already doing what an interest rate rise would normally do. Raising interest rates ‘should’ at least strengthen the currency but in our case, it isn’t doing that. Investors simply have no faith in the direction we are taking and so are selling Sterling. | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? " If Brexit hasn't happened. The impacts of Brexit wouldn't have happened. And we wouldn't need to discuss all the problems Brexit has caused the UK. Hope that clears it up. As for the cost of living crisis, imaging if we had crippled our economy through Brexit. There would be way more cash in the coffers to deal with it. And not sure why you're suggesting that only remainers are able to understand the impact of Brexit. Anyone can read up about it and see what's been going on. | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? " Did you read before posting. Brexit is not THE cause but it is ONE OF the causes. The reason the £ is so weak against the $ and € is because the international money markets have lost faith in the UK as a robust investable economy, because of the economic impact of Brexit. What that means is that everything we import is more expensive. That includes gas and oil which trade in $. Brexit is the cause for why the UK has the weakest economic recovery from the pandemic out of all the G7 nations. Brexit means the UK economy is less able to handle this latest shock caused by war in Ukraine. To not understand the interconnectivity of all these factors is incredibly naive. It has nothing to do with being remain or leave. It is the undeniable truth of the economic impact now being felt due to Brexit. But I assume if you voted for Brexit then you knew what you were voting for right? So you wanted this economic pain right? | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? " Don't worry, if you keep telling yourself that often enough you might actually believe it yourself lol | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? Did you read before posting. Brexit is not THE cause but it is ONE OF the causes. The reason the £ is so weak against the $ and € is because the international money markets have lost faith in the UK as a robust investable economy, because of the economic impact of Brexit. What that means is that everything we import is more expensive. That includes gas and oil which trade in $. Brexit is the cause for why the UK has the weakest economic recovery from the pandemic out of all the G7 nations. Brexit means the UK economy is less able to handle this latest shock caused by war in Ukraine. To not understand the interconnectivity of all these factors is incredibly naive. It has nothing to do with being remain or leave. It is the undeniable truth of the economic impact now being felt due to Brexit. But I assume if you voted for Brexit then you knew what you were voting for right? So you wanted this economic pain right? And did YOU read my post properly? If you did, then you would've read that i said that there are a number of factors that have contributed to this dire situation we're in now, that the whole country is in now? Brexit or not, this whole worrying situation would've happened anyway, the war, the falling value of our currency, etc? What my point is, the people supposedly in charge of the country's financial health were warned about all of this, perhaps with the exception of war, once the UK and the world started to recover from covid and the irreparable damage that it caused? None of us are immune to the situation we now find ourselves in, and on a personal level, having retired last December after forty years of service, i'm just as worried that my pension and savings are being eroded because of inflation and everyone dumping the gap, so i know exactly what you and the others are saying about our currency being worth jack shit! This is a good debate subject as each and every one of us will be affected by it in some way, but what myself and millions of others are fed up with is the doom merchants that take the easy option and always blame Brexit in some way, no matter what it is, and will probably blame the drought on Brexit too! Keep on debating everyone.....we're all of different views and opinions, which is good!" In the 1970’s, joining the Common Market (as it was then) was the beginning of the end of a deep malaise that had been damaging our national economy since the end of WW2. Visionary Politicians saw an interconnected planet where Britain could thrive as a partner in a strong European trading block. Fifty years later, the reasons that we had for joining are even more relevant now than they were then, but we decided to inflict economic sanctions on ourselves under the guise of British Exceptionalism. One day, you will see and recognise this in the same way that day by day an increasing number of people are sitting back and starting to clearly see just how being alone makes us more vulnerable to global events like Covid, like war and like energy crises. Whatever service you have just retired from, I have no doubt that you championed the mantra of teamwork and the value of a strong team being much more than the sum of the individual parts. The question that must be asked is why are investors particularly losing faith in £GBP despite two recent interest rates? That is the question and to answer it, you need to open your mind to all possibilities about the things that are affecting everyone, and the things that specifically are only relevant to the U.K. | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ??????" That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better. | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better." Or genuine peoples concerns not being taken seriously and feeling let down by their traditional political party of choice. | |||
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"In the 1970's the UK went cap in hand to the IMF, partly because a collapsing currency coincided with an oil crisis and the UK was reliant on oil imports. Fifty years later and despite recent interest rate rises investors have lost faith in GBP and dumping it on the world markets. 1GBP now buys only 1.16USD and 1.16 EURO. We are not so reliant on oil these days but we still have to pay in USD for the gas and oil imports that the country needs. I fear that despite my personal wish just to see Liz Truss and her imbecilic Conservative cohorts fail, we are facing something of a national calamity that will affect us all really quite badly. If interest rate rises are not stemming the collapse of our currency then really the world has no faith in the broader direction that the country is taking and so it is likely to fall further all the while there will be a pressing need to buy oil and gas through winter. I don't think I have ever felt as gloomy and worried about our collective future - because there are no signs of any moves that will change the economic outlook." Forex traders make shed loads from fluctuations in the currency market and part time traders make a good living.   | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better. Or genuine peoples concerns not being taken seriously and feeling let down by their traditional political party of choice. " And how is that working out for them? Don’t worry that was rhetorical because if they are honest with themselves they will admit it is all getting worse do maybe the big bad EU weren’t to blame afterall! | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better. Or genuine peoples concerns not being taken seriously and feeling let down by their traditional political party of choice. And how is that working out for them? Don’t worry that was rhetorical because if they are honest with themselves they will admit it is all getting worse do maybe the big bad EU weren’t to blame afterall!" I’m on your side and I’m just about to suffer the indignity of going to the non EU desk on a flight back from Germany. Never forget though, the toughest kid on the block is the one with the least to lose. | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? Did you read before posting. Brexit is not THE cause but it is ONE OF the causes. The reason the £ is so weak against the $ and € is because the international money markets have lost faith in the UK as a robust investable economy, because of the economic impact of Brexit. What that means is that everything we import is more expensive. That includes gas and oil which trade in $. Brexit is the cause for why the UK has the weakest economic recovery from the pandemic out of all the G7 nations. Brexit means the UK economy is less able to handle this latest shock caused by war in Ukraine. To not understand the interconnectivity of all these factors is incredibly naive. It has nothing to do with being remain or leave. It is the undeniable truth of the economic impact now being felt due to Brexit. But I assume if you voted for Brexit then you knew what you were voting for right? So you wanted this economic pain right? " People will just say you scaremongering and a sore remainer. I had a conversation with a property developer recently, who had American investors pull out of a big development he was part off. The reason he said Brexit. Now this developer and his partners are trying to sell the undeveloped land and he expects to lose money. | |||
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"You gotta laugh. Those die hard leave supporters know in their hearts they fucked up but cannot admit it so their go to position is to tell everyone else to stop talking about it! All that Project Fear has become Project Reality. When Cameron and Osborne were spouting about a higher risk of war in Europe, I thought “oh now you have gone too far, as if we will have a war! You just blew all credibility, no wonder they are calling this project fear!!!” But just look what has happened!" Put a match to the blue touchpaper and.....BOOM! It doesn't take much to touch a nerve! Whatever is left of this once great country, it still has a democracy of sorts, and in the vote the question was quite simple, stay or leave, and that was all that there was to it? Whatever you or i voted, at least you were given the choice, which is more than a lot of our fellow human beings get in other countries, so stop bitching about admitting this or that, the problems we've got right now would've still happened come what may, what we've all got to hope for is that we all come out of it asap! | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better. Or genuine peoples concerns not being taken seriously and feeling let down by their traditional political party of choice. " Yes, disenfranchised people are easier to con. | |||
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"You gotta laugh. Those die hard leave supporters know in their hearts they fucked up but cannot admit it so their go to position is to tell everyone else to stop talking about it! All that Project Fear has become Project Reality. When Cameron and Osborne were spouting about a higher risk of war in Europe, I thought “oh now you have gone too far, as if we will have a war! You just blew all credibility, no wonder they are calling this project fear!!!” But just look what has happened! Put a match to the blue touchpaper and.....BOOM! It doesn't take much to touch a nerve! Whatever is left of this once great country, it still has a democracy of sorts, and in the vote the question was quite simple, stay or leave, and that was all that there was to it? Whatever you or i voted, at least you were given the choice, which is more than a lot of our fellow human beings get in other countries, so stop bitching about admitting this or that, the problems we've got right now would've still happened come what may, what we've all got to hope for is that we all come out of it asap! " Would have been a lot easier if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot with Brexit. | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better. Or genuine peoples concerns not being taken seriously and feeling let down by their traditional political party of choice. Yes, disenfranchised people are easier to con." But they had a vote? | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better. Or genuine peoples concerns not being taken seriously and feeling let down by their traditional political party of choice. Yes, disenfranchised people are easier to con. But they had a vote? " Correct | |||
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"You gotta laugh. Those die hard leave supporters know in their hearts they fucked up but cannot admit it so their go to position is to tell everyone else to stop talking about it! All that Project Fear has become Project Reality. When Cameron and Osborne were spouting about a higher risk of war in Europe, I thought “oh now you have gone too far, as if we will have a war! You just blew all credibility, no wonder they are calling this project fear!!!” But just look what has happened! Put a match to the blue touchpaper and.....BOOM! It doesn't take much to touch a nerve! Whatever is left of this once great country, it still has a democracy of sorts, and in the vote the question was quite simple, stay or leave, and that was all that there was to it? Whatever you or i voted, at least you were given the choice, which is more than a lot of our fellow human beings get in other countries, so stop bitching about admitting this or that, the problems we've got right now would've still happened come what may, what we've all got to hope for is that we all come out of it asap! " Except no I won’t. Voting Leave was a stupid thing to do. That has now been proven without question. And we have no idea if Putin would have invaded Ukraine if he had not been emboldened by a weakened EU without the UK. You are also being deliberately obtuse as the point has already been made by me and others, the situation is worse due to the the £ being weaker which is a direct result of Brexit. | |||
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"In the 1970's the UK went cap in hand to the IMF, partly because a collapsing currency coincided with an oil crisis and the UK was reliant on oil imports. Fifty years later and despite recent interest rate rises investors have lost faith in GBP and dumping it on the world markets. 1GBP now buys only 1.16USD and 1.16 EURO. We are not so reliant on oil these days but we still have to pay in USD for the gas and oil imports that the country needs. I fear that despite my personal wish just to see Liz Truss and her imbecilic Conservative cohorts fail, we are facing something of a national calamity that will affect us all really quite badly. If interest rate rises are not stemming the collapse of our currency then really the world has no faith in the broader direction that the country is taking and so it is likely to fall further all the while there will be a pressing need to buy oil and gas through winter. I don't think I have ever felt as gloomy and worried about our collective future - because there are no signs of any moves that will change the economic outlook." . A falling pound only affects some people. It is simply a question of swings and roundabouts. Any one bringing money into the UK will not be in the slightest bit bothered about a weakened pound. A pensioner living off investment income in foreign stocks and share will not want to see the pound rising any time soon. Likewise companies with a strong export marker will not want to see the pound rising . There is little point worrying about any problems that the UK are facing. Countries throughout the world are facing similar issues. Most people will ignore short term economic problems What matters is having your strength and health. | |||
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"In the 1970's the UK went cap in hand to the IMF, partly because a collapsing currency coincided with an oil crisis and the UK was reliant on oil imports. Fifty years later and despite recent interest rate rises investors have lost faith in GBP and dumping it on the world markets. 1GBP now buys only 1.16USD and 1.16 EURO. We are not so reliant on oil these days but we still have to pay in USD for the gas and oil imports that the country needs. I fear that despite my personal wish just to see Liz Truss and her imbecilic Conservative cohorts fail, we are facing something of a national calamity that will affect us all really quite badly. If interest rate rises are not stemming the collapse of our currency then really the world has no faith in the broader direction that the country is taking and so it is likely to fall further all the while there will be a pressing need to buy oil and gas through winter. I don't think I have ever felt as gloomy and worried about our collective future - because there are no signs of any moves that will change the economic outlook.. A falling pound only affects some people. It is simply a question of swings and roundabouts. Any one bringing money into the UK will not be in the slightest bit bothered about a weakened pound. A pensioner living off investment income in foreign stocks and share will not want to see the pound rising any time soon. Likewise companies with a strong export marker will not want to see the pound rising . There is little point worrying about any problems that the UK are facing. Countries throughout the world are facing similar issues. Most people will ignore short term economic problems What matters is having your strength and health. "
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"Brexit has nothing to do with this, it's just a duck call to divide people away from the real problems. Energy prices are screwing folk over on a global scale to varying degrees. Macron has said to his own people that the times of plenty are over. (Despite France having more nuclear power stations than China). Wealthy groups are pushing this. There can be no other logical explanation. If energy companies are allowed to lobby our governments so they profit massively while everyone else suffers." Spot on.  | |||
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"Brexit has made us poorer GDP next year 0% Test of Europe predicted 4% We are the Brexit ?????? That some people still think Brexit was a good idea shows the absolute power of the media and of propaganda. Until we can beat that, I don't have much hope for anything getting better." Gonna get way far worse. "All by Design " | |||
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"Brexit has nothing to do with this, it's just a duck call to divide people away from the real problems. Energy prices are screwing folk over on a global scale to varying degrees. Macron has said to his own people that the times of plenty are over. (Despite France having more nuclear power stations than China). Wealthy groups are pushing this. There can be no other logical explanation. If energy companies are allowed to lobby our governments so they profit massively while everyone else suffers. Spot on. "Always one (well two this time) | |||
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"This thread really is mind blowing! It just shows that it doesn't take much to bring nastiness and abuse out in people does it? Look, whatever and whoever any of us voted for, it doesn't alter the fact that the situation we find ourselves in currently, is no different to the rest of Europe and indeed, most of the world? Its not about admitting defeat or regretting your vote or "fucking up" as one delightful poster has put up, it's a situation that would've happened regardless no matter what, so all you who can't take on board other people's democratic right to make a choice in any walk of life, stop the abuse and rants just because something hasn't gone the way you wanted it to? End of....." Except we simply have no way of knowing if the current situation would have happened anyway do we? Putin wants to destabilise Europe by helping stoke anti-EU sentiment. The Leave.EU campaign was funded by people with strong ties to Russia. We will never know if Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Brexit not happened. We do know that the fall in tje value of the £ is linked to Brexit and the impact on UK economy. A weaker £ and bigger hit to the economy as a whole because of Brexit means the UK is in worse shape than it would have been slowing the recovery from Covid. You can rail against it all you want but many roads lead back to Brexit and there is zero point trying to deny it. Not sure which post or poster said “fucked up” but I will say people who voted leave “messed up royally”. | |||
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"This thread really is mind blowing! It just shows that it doesn't take much to bring nastiness and abuse out in people does it? Look, whatever and whoever any of us voted for, it doesn't alter the fact that the situation we find ourselves in currently, is no different to the rest of Europe and indeed, most of the world? Its not about admitting defeat or regretting your vote or "fucking up" as one delightful poster has put up, it's a situation that would've happened regardless no matter what, so all you who can't take on board other people's democratic right to make a choice in any walk of life, stop the abuse and rants just because something hasn't gone the way you wanted it to? End of..... Except we simply have no way of knowing if the current situation would have happened anyway do we? Putin wants to destabilise Europe by helping stoke anti-EU sentiment. The Leave.EU campaign was funded by people with strong ties to Russia. We will never know if Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Brexit not happened. We do know that the fall in tje value of the £ is linked to Brexit and the impact on UK economy. A weaker £ and bigger hit to the economy as a whole because of Brexit means the UK is in worse shape than it would have been slowing the recovery from Covid. You can rail against it all you want but many roads lead back to Brexit and there is zero point trying to deny it. Not sure which post or poster said “fucked up” but I will say people who voted leave “messed up royally”." Lol it was me who said “fucked up”. Yeah admit it. You did! | |||
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"I blame the refugees, I changed my mind I blame the democratic vote and the what should happen agreement to accept the democratic result of the vote. I changed my mind again I blame people who vote and do not accept the result of the vote. "I blame Blair & Johnson. | |||
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"This thread really is mind blowing! It just shows that it doesn't take much to bring nastiness and abuse out in people does it? Look, whatever and whoever any of us voted for, it doesn't alter the fact that the situation we find ourselves in currently, is no different to the rest of Europe and indeed, most of the world? Its not about admitting defeat or regretting your vote or "fucking up" as one delightful poster has put up, it's a situation that would've happened regardless no matter what, so all you who can't take on board other people's democratic right to make a choice in any walk of life, stop the abuse and rants just because something hasn't gone the way you wanted it to? End of..... Except we simply have no way of knowing if the current situation would have happened anyway do we? Putin wants to destabilise Europe by helping stoke anti-EU sentiment. The Leave.EU campaign was funded by people with strong ties to Russia. We will never know if Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Brexit not happened. We do know that the fall in tje value of the £ is linked to Brexit and the impact on UK economy. A weaker £ and bigger hit to the economy as a whole because of Brexit means the UK is in worse shape than it would have been slowing the recovery from Covid. You can rail against it all you want but many roads lead back to Brexit and there is zero point trying to deny it. Not sure which post or poster said “fucked up” but I will say people who voted leave “messed up royally”." You say we will never know if Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Brexit not happened. Johnson penned these very words when he wrote his remain article. "Brexit could lead to an economic shock, Scottish independence and Russian aggression" Will it be 3 out of 3? | |||
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"Folk complain of boats on the south coast, including us, but makes you think if there won't be boats going the other way in the future. Things could actually get quite horrible for us all. For the first time in my life, I am seriously thinking of selling everything and moving from the country I was born in. I have started discussing it with other members of my family. " If I lived in Scotland I'd definitely be heading south.... | |||
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"I’m currently in Germany. Huge issues & worries here also. Having said that, I’m on a restaurant terrace overlooking the Rhine, the restaurant is packed and huge boats are up and down, despite the climate change fanatics telling us the river has boiled and shrivelled to a stream. " I guess the Germans are all too busy funding Putin's war to worry about much else. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. " Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away  | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away "So GBP/EUR exchange rates: September 2016: 1.19 September 2017: 1.09 September 2018: 1.11 September 2019: 1.10 September 2020: 1.12 September 2021: 1.16 September 2022: 1.16 But sure, sterling is crashing. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. " Is this reply taking the piss out of the person complaining about people discussing the impact of Brexit? Or are you serious? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing."These are all post referendum. Tuesday 1 September 2015 £1 = €1.3542 Brexit crashed the value of sterling. And it hasn't recovered. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
These are all post referendum.
Tuesday 1 September 2015
£1 = €1.3542
Brexit crashed the value of sterling. And it hasn't recovered."And most of this thread has focused on the £ to $ not € anyway for obvious reasons (oil & gas) but hey ho! | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing."1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation. 2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
"Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern. But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.". The poster to which you refer appears to have overlooked the fact that on 18th March 2014 the rate for Euros to pound was 1.1944. Brexit was even in the pipeline then. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
These are all post referendum.
Tuesday 1 September 2015
£1 = €1.3542
Brexit crashed the value of sterling. And it hasn't recovered.". Maybe the impact of Brexit is nil. On 18 March 2014 the rate was 1.1944. You have simply quoted rates , listed them and assumed that Brexit was the cause . The rate on 18 March 2014 would tend to disprove this . In any event a lower rate is good news for both exporters and people bringing money into the country. | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? " | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
These are all post referendum.
Tuesday 1 September 2015
£1 = €1.3542
Brexit crashed the value of sterling. And it hasn't recovered.. Maybe the impact of Brexit is nil. On 18 March 2014 the rate was 1.1944. You have simply quoted rates , listed them and assumed that Brexit was the cause . The rate on 18 March 2014 would tend to disprove this . In any event a lower rate is good news for both exporters and people bringing money into the country. "The value of the £ plummeted by 15% on the day after the Brexit referendum result was announced. I assume that was a coincidence? And that the £ has been unable to recover is 100% the fault of Corbyn/the EU/The Guardian/Labour/people who voted not to ruin the economy. Excellent. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
These are all post referendum.
Tuesday 1 September 2015
£1 = €1.3542
Brexit crashed the value of sterling. And it hasn't recovered.. Maybe the impact of Brexit is nil. On 18 March 2014 the rate was 1.1944. You have simply quoted rates , listed them and assumed that Brexit was the cause . The rate on 18 March 2014 would tend to disprove this . In any event a lower rate is good news for both exporters and people bringing money into the country. "You couch everything the same way...as a “maybe” as a hypotheses. The reason you do this is because you do not actually know. The thing is that economists, even those who had previously advocated Brexit, are unanimous in their analysis that Brexit has had a significant negative impact on the UK economy and that this will continue for some years (some believe it is permanent). So not a great prospect for investment and having a long term trend negative impact on exchange rates. You know that though but it doesn’t fit your narrative. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative."The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself."When the food shortages started, people started posting pictures of their local supermarket with rows and rows of empty shelves on Twitter. Quite a few people replied, see, my Tesco is fine, you remoaners are making things up. These "Tescoes" often sold things like batatas, morangos, cenouras, and the like. And yes, when you reverse image searched, the liberal elite reverse image search claimed that the image came from Brazil. Don't believe your lying eyes, Brexit is amazing  | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself."The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives. "The fun thing about your post, and not sure if you're being knowingly ironic or not. It's not "remoaners" who were defeated. It was British people. Whichever way you voted, we all lost out (unless of course you're a billionaire disaster capitalist, which I'm assuming you're not, but I could of course be wrong). | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives. "Person: evidence of economic troubles since the Brexit referendum You: Remoaners are psychologically troubled ... Do you have any evidence, or are you stuck with "I know you are but what am I" with slightly bigger words? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
Person: evidence of economic troubles since the Brexit referendum
You: Remoaners are psychologically troubled
... Do you have any evidence, or are you stuck with "I know you are but what am I" with slightly bigger words?"It's much easier to call people names than face up to the fact you weren't paying attention and got conned. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
Person: evidence of economic troubles since the Brexit referendum
You: Remoaners are psychologically troubled
... Do you have any evidence, or are you stuck with "I know you are but what am I" with slightly bigger words?
It's much easier to call people names than face up to the fact you weren't paying attention and got conned."It's also kind of silly. We're moving on with our lives - looking at food shortages, the highest energy hikes in the continent of Europe, sewage in the rivers and the sea, a promise to rip up worker's rights, Kent turned into a lorry park with big problems for import and export, labour shortages, more besides. This isn't about a vote taken in 2016, even if it's the result of it. It's about facing our current reality. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives. "The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake! This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what? So much winning | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning "Also point of order. I'm not an obsessed Remoaner. I'm a Covid tragic wetting myself behind my sofa. People can't keep their schoolyard insults straight these days, gosh | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing."Well your figures do show sterling is relatively stable to the euro in the time frame given. The bad news is, it's a different story if you compare it to the dollar and as fuel tends to be bought in dollars it is a problem. It appears to be more about a strong dollar as they are largely self sufficient in fuel so not affected as much by current events. They also are raising interest rates more aggressively which attracts even more. What's also concerning is the German economy is struggling due to the gas problems from Russia. A weak German economy affects the euro which is already very low. A struggling Germany will in turn affect the UK too as apart from America they are the UK biggest trading partner (I think those figures are still correct but it may have changed recently) | |||
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"Brexit has nothing to do with this, it's just a duck call to divide people away from the real problems. Energy prices are screwing folk over on a global scale to varying degrees. Macron has said to his own people that the times of plenty are over. (Despite France having more nuclear power stations than China). Wealthy groups are pushing this. There can be no other logical explanation. If energy companies are allowed to lobby our governments so they profit massively while everyone else suffers. There are many factors. Brexit is one of them." correct | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives. "This isn’t really contributing to the debate in any meaningful way. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning "So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?"Has ANYONE said that? We would be in a better place than we are because on top of dealing with the same economic challenges everyone else is facing we ALSO have the economic impact of Brexit and a weaker currency. Do you honestly not get that? It’s like every country is competing in a triathlon but the UK has also cut off one of its feet. Everyone finds the triathlon hard but we find it even harder! | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?"Not really it's just the spin that some on here put on everything 
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?"We'd be immune to the problems brexit caused and the economy would be in a better shape to deal with everything else. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
Has ANYONE said that? We would be in a better place than we are because on top of dealing with the same economic challenges everyone else is facing we ALSO have the economic impact of Brexit and a weaker currency.
Do you honestly not get that?
It’s like every country is competing in a triathlon but the UK has also cut off one of its feet. Everyone finds the triathlon hard but we find it even harder!"Will rejoining the EU solve our problems? Let's ditch the £ and adopt the €. You're blaming Brexit because you don't want to admit that the Eurozone countries are in the same shit as we are. Sovereign debt is out of control and central banks printing more money isn't going to fix it any more. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
We'd be immune to the problems brexit caused and the economy would be in a better shape to deal with everything else."Brexit is the least of our worries. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
Has ANYONE said that? We would be in a better place than we are because on top of dealing with the same economic challenges everyone else is facing we ALSO have the economic impact of Brexit and a weaker currency.
Do you honestly not get that?
It’s like every country is competing in a triathlon but the UK has also cut off one of its feet. Everyone finds the triathlon hard but we find it even harder!
Will rejoining the EU solve our problems? Let's ditch the £ and adopt the €.
You're blaming Brexit because you don't want to admit that the Eurozone countries are in the same shit as we are.
Sovereign debt is out of control and central banks printing more money isn't going to fix it any more."You see what you did there right? You moved the goalposts. Did ANYONE in this thread say anything about rejoining? The point remains and is actually inarguable, the UK economy has been seriously harmed by Brexit and that is impacting our ability to deal with both the post pandemic impact and cost of living crisis/inflation. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
Has ANYONE said that? We would be in a better place than we are because on top of dealing with the same economic challenges everyone else is facing we ALSO have the economic impact of Brexit and a weaker currency.
Do you honestly not get that?
It’s like every country is competing in a triathlon but the UK has also cut off one of its feet. Everyone finds the triathlon hard but we find it even harder!
Will rejoining the EU solve our problems? Let's ditch the £ and adopt the €.
You're blaming Brexit because you don't want to admit that the Eurozone countries are in the same shit as we are.
Sovereign debt is out of control and central banks printing more money isn't going to fix it any more.
You see what you did there right? You moved the goalposts. Did ANYONE in this thread say anything about rejoining? The point remains and is actually inarguable, the UK economy has been seriously harmed by Brexit and that is impacting our ability to deal with both the post pandemic impact and cost of living crisis/inflation."So what is your solution? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
We'd be immune to the problems brexit caused and the economy would be in a better shape to deal with everything else.
Brexit is the least of our worries."Brexit exasperated all the others by crashing the value of the pound, damaging British businesses, causing long term economic damage. Sure, it's not the only problem. But to imply its not that much of a big deal is not helpful. Pretty sure the 10s of billions it costs the economy every month would come in handy right now. | |||
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"So what is your solution?" the solution will ccome after all the brextremists face up to the fact that brexit has hugely damaged the country and put at a decades long disadvantage compared to other nations. only when the brextremists can be totally honest with people will the 50 year period that the sinister ERG predicted that it would take to re-stabalise the country back to the pre-brexit baseline, only then the solutions if they exist can start to be implemented. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
We'd be immune to the problems brexit caused and the economy would be in a better shape to deal with everything else.
Brexit is the least of our worries.
Brexit exasperated all the others by crashing the value of the pound, damaging British businesses, causing long term economic damage.
Sure, it's not the only problem. But to imply its not that much of a big deal is not helpful.
Pretty sure the 10s of billions it costs the economy every month would come in handy right now."Please define what you mean by 'crashing'. | |||
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"So what is your solution? the solution will ccome after all the brextremists face up to the fact that brexit has hugely damaged the country and put at a decades long disadvantage compared to other nations. only when the brextremists can be totally honest with people will the 50 year period that the sinister ERG predicted that it would take to re-stabalise the country back to the pre-brexit baseline, only then the solutions if they exist can start to be implemented. " The solution is to implement solutions that don't exist. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning
So if the UK was still a member of the EU we'd be immune from the problems affecting us now?
We'd be immune to the problems brexit caused and the economy would be in a better shape to deal with everything else.
Brexit is the least of our worries.
Brexit exasperated all the others by crashing the value of the pound, damaging British businesses, causing long term economic damage.
Sure, it's not the only problem. But to imply its not that much of a big deal is not helpful.
Pretty sure the 10s of billions it costs the economy every month would come in handy right now.
Please define what you mean by 'crashing'."Easier to give an example. What happened to the value of the pound after the result of the referendum. | |||
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"So what is your solution? the solution will ccome after all the brextremists face up to the fact that brexit has hugely damaged the country and put at a decades long disadvantage compared to other nations. only when the brextremists can be totally honest with people will the 50 year period that the sinister ERG predicted that it would take to re-stabalise the country back to the pre-brexit baseline, only then the solutions if they exist can start to be implemented. The solution is to implement solutions that don't exist. "Before any solution can be found. The government, and British people need to establish what the problem is. Until we do that, how can we start to properly mitigate against the damage brexit is doing? | |||
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"So what is your solution? the solution will ccome after all the brextremists face up to the fact that brexit has hugely damaged the country and put at a decades long disadvantage compared to other nations. only when the brextremists can be totally honest with people will the 50 year period that the sinister ERG predicted that it would take to re-stabalise the country back to the pre-brexit baseline, only then the solutions if they exist can start to be implemented. The solution is to implement solutions that don't exist.
Before any solution can be found. The government, and British people need to establish what the problem is.
Until we do that, how can we start to properly mitigate against the damage brexit is doing?"Indeed. It's like curing cancer with vitamins | |||
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"So what is your solution? the solution will ccome after all the brextremists face up to the fact that brexit has hugely damaged the country and put at a decades long disadvantage compared to other nations. only when the brextremists can be totally honest with people will the 50 year period that the sinister ERG predicted that it would take to re-stabalise the country back to the pre-brexit baseline, only then the solutions if they exist can start to be implemented. The solution is to implement solutions that don't exist. "You gotta love the slopey shoulders of Leave voters. They promise sunlit uplands. Claim no downsides only benefits of Brexit. Call every warning project fear and accuse people of being remoaners. Then when it all starts to come true the Brexiters demand the people who didn’t vote for or want Brexit come up with the solution! Lolz. Brexiters need to own the problems. They wanted to leave the EU so what are their solutions? | |||
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"So what is your solution? the solution will ccome after all the brextremists face up to the fact that brexit has hugely damaged the country and put at a decades long disadvantage compared to other nations. only when the brextremists can be totally honest with people will the 50 year period that the sinister ERG predicted that it would take to re-stabalise the country back to the pre-brexit baseline, only then the solutions if they exist can start to be implemented. The solution is to implement solutions that don't exist.
You gotta love the slopey shoulders of Leave voters. They promise sunlit uplands. Claim no downsides only benefits of Brexit. Call every warning project fear and accuse people of being remoaners.
Then when it all starts to come true the Brexiters demand the people who didn’t vote for or want Brexit come up with the solution!
Lolz.
Brexiters need to own the problems. They wanted to leave the EU so what are their solutions?"Yeah, the fuck has this to do with me, I didn't cause any of these problems. Or even empower it. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their
blinkered little narrative."Are you one of the 18% who still think Brexit was a good idea? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their
blinkered little narrative.
Are you one of the 18% who still think Brexit was a good idea? "Is it that high? A worrying statistic.. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their
blinkered little narrative.
Are you one of the 18% who still think Brexit was a good idea?
Is it that high?
A worrying statistic.."That was from December 2021. I shouldn't imagine it would be as high now. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their
blinkered little narrative.
Are you one of the 18% who still think Brexit was a good idea?
Is it that high?
A worrying statistic..
That was from December 2021. I shouldn't imagine it would be as high now."New Prime Minister…. GBP still falling. Lowest level against the USD SINCE 1985. | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? " You don't understand. This is never going away. We are going to be in your face forever with the lies told and the damage done to my country so that a few rich people could continue to stash their hoard offshore. That's why brexiters are so paranoid about brexit being somehow subverted or abandoned. They know it's not sustainable. We'll be back in the single market within 10 years (in fact if not in name). | |||
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"So if Brexit didn't happen, and we stayed in the EU, what would be the blame default for the remainers then? Everyone had their right to vote either way, and regardless of which option everyone voted for, the current economic/cost of living crisis would've happened anyway as is clearly obvious right now? That nutter in Russia has probably had the invasion.....sorry, military exercise.....planned for a very long time, as it is well known that even in his teens, he was hell bent on returning eastern Europe to the old USSR as it were? His actions are a lot to blame for the current global crisis with energy, food costs, etc, but perhaps on our own soil, we might do as well to look closer to home as to where a big proportion of the blame should be apportioned to? The BOE were warned about the inflation rate potentially soaring at least two years ago, just before covid kicked in, and they didn't heed the warnings from the ones much more in the know than the clowns that sit on the BOE monetary committee? There are many factors that have played a part in the situation that we now find ourselves in, so please, don't keep using Brexit at every opportunity, just because the vote didn't go how you wanted it too? It would've been interesting to see what the remainer's blame game would've been had the vote gone the other way? You don't understand. This is never going away. We are going to be in your face forever with the lies told and the damage done to my country so that a few rich people could continue to stash their hoard offshore. That's why brexiters are so paranoid about brexit being somehow subverted or abandoned. They know it's not sustainable. We'll be back in the single market within 10 years (in fact if not in name)." Will the UK meet the Copenhagen criteria? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning "If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on. Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage . | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage . "Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time.".It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate. You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country. I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy .. At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time..It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate.
You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country.
I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy ..
At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results. "A substantial number of company Annual Reports have actually cited Brexit and regulation changes as having a negative impact. Just one example is the darling of the FTSE Games Workshop. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time..It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate.
You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country.
I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy ..
At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results. "“There is no damage to the U.K. economy”… And yet here we are with the GBP at its lowest level since 1985 despite two recent interest rate rises and a new PM in situ. What could it be that is causing international investors to run scared of GBP? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time..It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate.
You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country.
I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy ..
At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results. "Aaaah classic. This gave me a good chuckle. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify." I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? | |||
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"“There is no damage to the U.K. economy”… And yet here we are with the GBP at its lowest level since 1985 despite two recent interest rate rises and a new PM in situ. What could it be that is causing international investors to run scared of GBP? " Perhaps it's the same thing that happened in 1985. | |||
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"“There is no damage to the U.K. economy”… And yet here we are with the GBP at its lowest level since 1985 despite two recent interest rate rises and a new PM in situ. What could it be that is causing international investors to run scared of GBP? Perhaps it's the same thing that happened in 1985." Having a Tory government? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time..It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate.
You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country.
I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy ..
At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results.
“There is no damage to the U.K. economy”… And yet here we are with the GBP at its lowest level since 1985 despite two recent interest rate rises and a new PM in situ.
What could it be that is causing international investors to run scared of GBP?
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No mystery. They are all jumping into the stronger dollar. | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time..It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate.
You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country.
I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy ..
At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results.
“There is no damage to the U.K. economy”… And yet here we are with the GBP at its lowest level since 1985 despite two recent interest rate rises and a new PM in situ.
What could it be that is causing international investors to run scared of GBP?
No mystery. They are all jumping into the stronger dollar."But why is $USD strong and £GBP weak? What is causing that? | |||
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"Astounding, blame Brexit - what utter tosh. I still have orders outstanding with EU based companies, some over 12 months old with no delivery date. One doesn't know if it can cast viably, the other has gone to the wall apparently. The EU is in bigger pile of muck than it makes out. If Ukrainians fail in evicting the Russians, Hungary will become a pain in EU derriere, Belarus will throw its weight around. Moldava will be annexed into the soviet fold. At the moment the EU is struggling to keep itself warm and the lights on, let's hope it doesn't get worse. The pound and other currencies are up and down for many reasons, Brexit MIGHT be one of them, buts it's at the bottom of the pile. Wrong but keep that head in the sand and it might all go away
So GBP/EUR exchange rates:
September 2016: 1.19
September 2017: 1.09
September 2018: 1.11
September 2019: 1.10
September 2020: 1.12
September 2021: 1.16
September 2022: 1.16
But sure, sterling is crashing.
1) £GBP/EURO has not recovered post-Brexit - thanks for the confirmation.
2) Gas and Oil is purchased in $USD - hence the nature of the OP about the £GBP/$USD exchange rate.
Sure, well I'm sure you can do your own research about GBP/USD exchange rates, in fact any currency/USD at the moment, and maybe you will see a pattern.
But of course, "it's raining! It's Brexit!", "I've got toothache! It's Brexit!". Remoaners are just such sad obsessives, trying to fit every situation into their blinkered little narrative.
The few die hard Brexiters are increasingly tirning into ostriches. The evidence of the negative impact of Brexit is overwhelming. May as well just admit that unless you were in that tiny minority of disaster capitalists who are making bank, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Everyone does now and then. It’s how we deal with our mistakes that matters. Own it but be honest with yourself.
The main difficulty that Remoaners have is that they are psychologically incapable of accepting defeat. I don't think half of them even know why they are still droning on about it. It's just become an irrational obsession that has taken over their lives.
The trouble with die hard brexiters is that they need to pull on their big boy pants and grow a pair and just admit their mistake!
This isn’t about winning or losing. It isn’t a football game or the school playground. This is about the economic well-being of the country we live in, people having enough money for a comfortable life, some security and rights. The Leave voters threw that all away for what?
So much winning If you actually believe that Brexit has caused damage to the economy maybe it is time you started reading some company accounts, directors reporte and company balance sheets . We still trade with the EU as we have not left Europe , the only difference being that the terms are slightly different.
Any rational person would have forgotten about Brexit a long time ago and simply moved on.
Different trading terms do not equate to economic damage .
Stick to Satire Pat as economics clearly isn’t your thing. I put more faith in what Economists and the OBR have to say. The negative impact of Brexit is steadily becoming clearer all the time..It appears then that you are simply relying on models which can easily be manipulated by amending inputs in order to get the results correct. Again many economists are simply using models and reporting opinions. A lot of their predictions are notoriously inaccurate.
You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. Company accounts can be verified and checked and those of a plc can will contain up to 100 pages of key data. The companies market will even be broken down by country.
I guess some people are bitterly disappointed when faced with accurate data that can be verified and proves that overall there is no damage to the UK economy ..
At least directors of Plcs concentrate on running the company for the benefit of everyone and are fully accountable for the companies results.
“There is no damage to the U.K. economy”… And yet here we are with the GBP at its lowest level since 1985 despite two recent interest rate rises and a new PM in situ.
What could it be that is causing international investors to run scared of GBP?
No mystery. They are all jumping into the stronger dollar.
But why is $USD strong and £GBP weak? What is causing that?"The US Federal Bank is being more hawkish on inflation. Raising interest rates at a higher percentage. The US has less exposure to higher energy costs. | |||
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"But why is $USD strong and £GBP weak? What is causing that?" "The US Federal Bank is being more hawkish on inflation. Raising interest rates at a higher percentage. The US has less exposure to higher energy costs." So nothing to do with Brexit, or any other decision made by the Tory party. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves?" JCB | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB " Only one? | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB " JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit." They also got a £600 million pound load from the tax payer and their main factories are in India and China | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit." . How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit. They also got a £600 million pound load from the tax payer and their main factories are in India and China " Bamford is a horrendous individual, and "JCB Research" are his front for paying off the Tories. If this is the shining example of a brexit success. We're in deeper shit than we thought. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. " Read up about brexit, you'll find all your answers about why it's damaging to British businesses. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit. They also got a £600 million pound load from the tax payer and their main factories are in India and China Bamford is a horrendous individual, and "JCB Research" are his front for paying off the Tories. If this is the shining example of a brexit success. We're in deeper shit than we thought." Anyone involved in the farming or construction industry will admire Lord Bamford. Leading is a lot easier with the telehandlers which he created and JCB fastback make movement of produce a lot easier. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. " The ‘terms’ are very different and detrimental, you must know that? It is what you voted for | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit. They also got a £600 million pound load from the tax payer and their main factories are in India and China Bamford is a horrendous individual, and "JCB Research" are his front for paying off the Tories. If this is the shining example of a brexit success. We're in deeper shit than we thought. Anyone involved in the farming or construction industry will admire Lord Bamford. Leading is a lot easier with the telehandlers which he created and JCB fastback make movement of produce a lot easier. " "Admire lord bamford". Lol. Some of your best work. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB " Ha ha ha you name one of the companies (and families) who financed the Leave campaign and Johnson’s leadership bid to get brexit done, I would bloody well hope JCB have done well out of Brexit or else that would be a classic shot in the foot! | |||
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"Brexit has nothing to do with this, it's just a duck call to divide people away from the real problems. Energy prices are screwing folk over on a global scale to varying degrees. Macron has said to his own people that the times of plenty are over. (Despite France having more nuclear power stations than China). Wealthy groups are pushing this. There can be no other logical explanation. If energy companies are allowed to lobby our governments so they profit massively while everyone else suffers." If brexit has nothing to do with it then why has the pound hovered around this level since the day after brexit when it was much higher before ? Coincidence I suppose | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB Ha ha ha you name one of the companies (and families) who financed the Leave campaign and Johnson’s leadership bid to get brexit done, I would bloody well hope JCB have done well out of Brexit or else that would be a classic shot in the foot!" Look into Luxembourg tax route for Lord Bamford. It’s interesting how he avoids tax and will continue to do so by avoiding stricter EU proposed rules. It’s also bloody hilarious how he said how other new foreign markets will boost exports. JCB sales increased in India. What did they do? Built a factory in India. Yes that’s going great for GB PLC. https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/jcb-opens-100m-factory-in-india | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. " Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. " . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory " Thank you for confirming your utter ignorance of reality. I’m not claiming it’s harder and more costly to export. The facts say it is. You should try reading some. Try starting with the governments own published figures and you will be enlightened. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory " So brexit caused. "changing circumstances" "extra costs incurred " Interesting! Maybe subconsciously you're starting to get an understanding of brexit. Sure, it has to sink in, no matter how much you pretend to believe in the unicorns, real life eventually becomes to compelling. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory So brexit caused. "changing circumstances" "extra costs incurred " Interesting! Maybe subconsciously you're starting to get an understanding of brexit. Sure, it has to sink in, no matter how much you pretend to believe in the unicorns, real life eventually becomes to compelling." . Maybe lots of people try to take a more balanced and rational approach than yours. Ant increased costs which are only marginal must be balanced against long term benefits and cost savings from Brexit . | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory Thank you for confirming your utter ignorance of reality. I’m not claiming it’s harder and more costly to export. The facts say it is. You should try reading some. Try starting with the governments own published figures and you will be enlightened. " . A rather strange comment to call someone ignorant because you disagree with their analysis. It was be interesting to see if you would be brave enough to say it to someone's face. A review of the performance on a weekly basis of many UK plcs from two different sources provides me anf plenty of other people with objective non polititicallv orientated data on which to make an objective assessment of the impact. Brexit does not even get mentioned, it may come as a surprise to some but the EU is not our only export market . | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory So brexit caused. "changing circumstances" "extra costs incurred " Interesting! Maybe subconsciously you're starting to get an understanding of brexit. Sure, it has to sink in, no matter how much you pretend to believe in the unicorns, real life eventually becomes to compelling.. Maybe lots of people try to take a more balanced and rational approach than yours. Ant increased costs which are only marginal must be balanced against long term benefits and cost savings from Brexit ." Is believing that brexit is a good idea, more "balanced and rational"? | |||
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I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though."I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit. | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though."Some people can’t see the wart on the end of their nose but it is there. All the analysis agrees that Brexit has had a huge negative economic impact on the UK. It is simply undeniable by anyone except the most ardent believers now. All analysis says it has resulted in a bigger impact on the economy than Covid. It has resulted in a permanent 4% drop in GDP. The economic impact of Brexit has made the UK economy less robust and able to rebound from Covid or cope with the current inflationary pressures. We are now the weakest of the G7 economies in terms of performance. We also slipped behind India now as the 6th biggest economy, we were 5th. Why? Impact of Brexit. Brexit is decimating some industries (not all of course) including fishing and farming. The major and most profound impacts has been on SMEs so Pat talking about FTSE multi-nationals is totally a distraction. He cites JCB as his example which has been roundly debunked. He failed to respond to my example of Games Workshop. Of course there are some winners from Brexit. Ironically those companies and individuals who funded and support Leave campaigns. But over all there are more losers. And all of this contributes a loss in confidence in the UK economy and the money markets dumping £GBP for $USD. Brexit isn’t the only reason but it IS one of the main reasons. Not sure why that is so hard to admit? | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
I beg to differ.
People who understood the EU voted for Brexit.
You'll be telling me it was democratic next "Lol. If they understood the EU, why the fuck would the vote leave!
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory Thank you for confirming your utter ignorance of reality. I’m not claiming it’s harder and more costly to export. The facts say it is. You should try reading some. Try starting with the governments own published figures and you will be enlightened. . A rather strange comment to call someone ignorant because you disagree with their analysis. It was be interesting to see if you would be brave enough to say it to someone's face. A review of the performance on a weekly basis of many UK plcs from two different sources provides me anf plenty of other people with objective non polititicallv orientated data on which to make an objective assessment of the impact. Brexit does not even get mentioned, it may come as a surprise to some but the EU is not our only export market . " It is our biggest export market | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
I beg to differ.
People who understood the EU voted for Brexit.
You'll be telling me it was democratic next
Lol. If they understood the EU, why the fuck would the vote leave!
You have to stay vaguely in the realms of reality for your posts not to be just made fun of."The majority that voted to leave thought otherwise. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory " What are the ‘long term benefits of Brexit’ and how long will it take for them to materialise ? | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
Some people can’t see the wart on the end of their nose but it is there.
All the analysis agrees that Brexit has had a huge negative economic impact on the UK. It is simply undeniable by anyone except the most ardent believers now. All analysis says it has resulted in a bigger impact on the economy than Covid. It has resulted in a permanent 4% drop in GDP. The economic impact of Brexit has made the UK economy less robust and able to rebound from Covid or cope with the current inflationary pressures. We are now the weakest of the G7 economies in terms of performance. We also slipped behind India now as the 6th biggest economy, we were 5th. Why? Impact of Brexit.
Brexit is decimating some industries (not all of course) including fishing and farming. The major and most profound impacts has been on SMEs so Pat talking about FTSE multi-nationals is totally a distraction. He cites JCB as his example which has been roundly debunked. He failed to respond to my example of Games Workshop.
Of course there are some winners from Brexit. Ironically those companies and individuals who funded and support Leave campaigns. But over all there are more losers.
And all of this contributes a loss in confidence in the UK economy and the money markets dumping £GBP for $USD. Brexit isn’t the only reason but it IS one of the main reasons.
Not sure why that is so hard to admit?"The Remain campaign was funded primarily by big business, big banks, and hedge funds. I'm sorry that they have done so badly out of Brexit. It's disappointing that these are the kinds of people that you support. So much for being on the side of the workers. | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
I beg to differ.
People who understood the EU voted for Brexit.
You'll be telling me it was democratic next
Lol. If they understood the EU, why the fuck would the vote leave!
You have to stay vaguely in the realms of reality for your posts not to be just made fun of.
The majority that voted to leave thought otherwise."That was 6 years ago , anyway, do you have any stats and facts to back up your claim that Brexit has been beneficial ? | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
Some people can’t see the wart on the end of their nose but it is there.
All the analysis agrees that Brexit has had a huge negative economic impact on the UK. It is simply undeniable by anyone except the most ardent believers now. All analysis says it has resulted in a bigger impact on the economy than Covid. It has resulted in a permanent 4% drop in GDP. The economic impact of Brexit has made the UK economy less robust and able to rebound from Covid or cope with the current inflationary pressures. We are now the weakest of the G7 economies in terms of performance. We also slipped behind India now as the 6th biggest economy, we were 5th. Why? Impact of Brexit.
Brexit is decimating some industries (not all of course) including fishing and farming. The major and most profound impacts has been on SMEs so Pat talking about FTSE multi-nationals is totally a distraction. He cites JCB as his example which has been roundly debunked. He failed to respond to my example of Games Workshop.
Of course there are some winners from Brexit. Ironically those companies and individuals who funded and support Leave campaigns. But over all there are more losers.
And all of this contributes a loss in confidence in the UK economy and the money markets dumping £GBP for $USD. Brexit isn’t the only reason but it IS one of the main reasons.
Not sure why that is so hard to admit?
The Remain campaign was funded primarily by big business, big banks, and hedge funds. I'm sorry that they have done so badly out of Brexit. It's disappointing that these are the kinds of people that you support. So much for being on the side of the workers."Can you explain how the ‘workers’ have benefited fro Brexit ? | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
Some people can’t see the wart on the end of their nose but it is there.
All the analysis agrees that Brexit has had a huge negative economic impact on the UK. It is simply undeniable by anyone except the most ardent believers now. All analysis says it has resulted in a bigger impact on the economy than Covid. It has resulted in a permanent 4% drop in GDP. The economic impact of Brexit has made the UK economy less robust and able to rebound from Covid or cope with the current inflationary pressures. We are now the weakest of the G7 economies in terms of performance. We also slipped behind India now as the 6th biggest economy, we were 5th. Why? Impact of Brexit.
Brexit is decimating some industries (not all of course) including fishing and farming. The major and most profound impacts has been on SMEs so Pat talking about FTSE multi-nationals is totally a distraction. He cites JCB as his example which has been roundly debunked. He failed to respond to my example of Games Workshop.
Of course there are some winners from Brexit. Ironically those companies and individuals who funded and support Leave campaigns. But over all there are more losers.
And all of this contributes a loss in confidence in the UK economy and the money markets dumping £GBP for $USD. Brexit isn’t the only reason but it IS one of the main reasons.
Not sure why that is so hard to admit?
The Remain campaign was funded primarily by big business, big banks, and hedge funds. I'm sorry that they have done so badly out of Brexit. It's disappointing that these are the kinds of people that you support. So much for being on the side of the workers."Oh dear you swallowed the propaganda that Brexit was about helping British workers! I understand that 30+ years of anti EU propaganda would seep into your psyche and distort what you think you know, but the ONLY winners from Brexit will be the super rich, disaster capitalists and the multi-nationals who offshore profits to avoid tax.
Next you will be citing short term wage growth as a long term benefit. No point warning more money if the value of that money gets reduced by general inflation, an increase in product costs to offset increased production costs, a devalued £GBP and ultimately increased taxation to fund shareholder bailouts! That’s not even considering what this Govt would like to fo with workers and human rights (people who support this always think it will never apply to or affect them...it will). | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
Some people can’t see the wart on the end of their nose but it is there.
All the analysis agrees that Brexit has had a huge negative economic impact on the UK. It is simply undeniable by anyone except the most ardent believers now. All analysis says it has resulted in a bigger impact on the economy than Covid. It has resulted in a permanent 4% drop in GDP. The economic impact of Brexit has made the UK economy less robust and able to rebound from Covid or cope with the current inflationary pressures. We are now the weakest of the G7 economies in terms of performance. We also slipped behind India now as the 6th biggest economy, we were 5th. Why? Impact of Brexit.
Brexit is decimating some industries (not all of course) including fishing and farming. The major and most profound impacts has been on SMEs so Pat talking about FTSE multi-nationals is totally a distraction. He cites JCB as his example which has been roundly debunked. He failed to respond to my example of Games Workshop.
Of course there are some winners from Brexit. Ironically those companies and individuals who funded and support Leave campaigns. But over all there are more losers.
And all of this contributes a loss in confidence in the UK economy and the money markets dumping £GBP for $USD. Brexit isn’t the only reason but it IS one of the main reasons.
Not sure why that is so hard to admit?
The Remain campaign was funded primarily by big business, big banks, and hedge funds. I'm sorry that they have done so badly out of Brexit. It's disappointing that these are the kinds of people that you support. So much for being on the side of the workers.
Oh dear you swallowed the propaganda that Brexit was about helping British workers! I understand that 30+ years of anti EU propaganda would seep into your psyche and distort what you think you know, but the ONLY winners from Brexit will be the super rich, disaster capitalists and the multi-nationals who offshore profits to avoid tax.
Next you will be citing short term wage growth as a long term benefit. No point warning more money if the value of that money gets reduced by general inflation, an increase in product costs to offset increased production costs, a devalued £GBP and ultimately increased taxation to fund shareholder bailouts! That’s not even considering what this Govt would like to fo with workers and human rights (people who support this always think it will never apply to or affect them...it will)."*earning more.... | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. " You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. " The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway." As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before." And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before." Shame the EU leaders didn't see it that way, they could've have given Cameron some concessions. Joining the eurozone isn't a bad thing is it? We would be using the same currency so not subject to exchange rate fluctuations. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. " . I do not think you will find many truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20. Most will be booked on either the shuttle or a ferry. They simply drove to the relevant terminal produce their paperwork and one to the train or ferry. This is entirely different to the picture that you are attempting to ports. There will always be delays on occasions, these also happened before Brexit. Maybe you need to talk to some truck drivers or hauliers and see what is actually happening in the real world. Inflation is a world wide issue, not limited to the UK. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune." . I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. " You're shifting the goalposts. The small minority, in what you're quoted, will be *enriched*. Enrich is not a synonym for vote or support. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. . I do not think you will find many truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20. Most will be booked on either the shuttle or a ferry. They simply drove to the relevant terminal produce their paperwork and one to the train or ferry. This is entirely different to the picture that you are attempting to ports. There will always be delays on occasions, these also happened before Brexit. Maybe you need to talk to some truck drivers or hauliers and see what is actually happening in the real world. Inflation is a world wide issue, not limited to the UK. " Nope. YOU need to talk to hauliers. Are you saying those huge queues were a mirage? Are you saying there are no supply chain issues? Jeez talk about gaslighting! | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. " That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
I beg to differ.
People who understood the EU voted for Brexit.
You'll be telling me it was democratic next
Lol. If they understood the EU, why the fuck would the vote leave!
You have to stay vaguely in the realms of reality for your posts not to be just made fun of.
The majority that voted to leave thought otherwise."*Minority of the population. Still, what's opinion got to do with it? | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
I beg to differ.
People who understood the EU voted for Brexit.
You'll be telling me it was democratic next
Lol. If they understood the EU, why the fuck would the vote leave!
You have to stay vaguely in the realms of reality for your posts not to be just made fun of.
The majority that voted to leave thought otherwise.
*Minority of the population.
Still, what's opinion got to do with it?"The majority that voted is what counts in a referendum. Isn't that how democracy works? Your opinion? | |||
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"I thought this thread was about GBP? It’s all bout brexit
I think to some people everything is about Brexit. Before 2016 they never spent a second thinking about the EU, since 2016 it has taken over their lives. It's important to let everyone know you have the "right" opinions though.
I think you have that the wrong way around. People who thought about and understood the EU voted against Brexit.
I beg to differ.
People who understood the EU voted for Brexit.
You'll be telling me it was democratic next
Lol. If they understood the EU, why the fuck would the vote leave!
You have to stay vaguely in the realms of reality for your posts not to be just made fun of.
The majority that voted to leave thought otherwise.
*Minority of the population.
Still, what's opinion got to do with it?
The majority that voted is what counts in a referendum. Isn't that how democracy works?
"That's part of democracy yes. What's that got to do with all the problems brexit caused with zero benefit for Britain or British people? " Your opinion?" Are you asking for my opinion on something? | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. " The abolition of C1 is an example . I cannot see many people complaining | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. " . And a few more from another organisaton - it looks like you might be on the wrong side of history . 1. Had we ‘remained’ we would have had to raise more in taxes Thankfully, we have no need to consider how to impose €10 billion per annum of new taxes between 2026 and 2030, to help the EU pay back the bonds it is issuing to enable grants of €390 billion out of its Coronavirus Recovery Fund, the grants being non-refundable. ________________________________________ 2. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced a huge contingent liability on the EU Covid Fund We have no need to factor into our own national accounts a contingent liability as guarantor for the balance of €360 billion of the Coronavirus Recovery Fund, where the money raised by the EU through bonds is on-lent to a member state but where all member states are liable for the bond repayments of those who fail to meet their obligations. ________________________________________ 3. Had we ‘remained’ we would have been paying even more to the EU Thankfully, we have no need to consider the high risk of escalation of the UK cash contribution to the EU Budget as the UK's GDP rises more quickly than the EU average and the UK's historical share of the EU Budget of 12% therefore rises – at the same time as the EU's money demands would be increasing. ________________________________________ 4. Had we ‘remained’ we would be faced with increased costs of new members We have no need to consider the costs and other implications for the UK of EU enlargement by the addition of at least the current three candidate countries – Serbia, Albania and Montenegro - and possibly more in future. That will never be our problem. ________________________________________ 5. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced more liabilities for the EIB We also have no need to consider the new risks being taken on by the European Investment Bank that might compel the UK to pay in more capital, for example the highly-leveraged European Guarantee Fund under which the EIB takes a first-loss position of €25 billion to enable other creditors to commit €174 billion, a ratio of 7-to-1 with, in consequence, a much higher risk of loss. ________________________________________ 6. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be on the hook for Eurozone insolvencies We have no need to be concerned about a direct cost to the UK, levied through the EU Budget, of the over-indebtedness of the Eurozone, in case one or more of the EU's financial mechanisms became insolvent: the EU itself, the European Central Bank, the European Investment Bank, the European Investment Fund or the European Stability Mechanism Being in the EU is not risk free and in the past (eg Greece, Ireland) funding has been called up. ________________________________________ 7. Had we ‘remained’ we could still be liable for EU public sector insolvencies There is now no chance of the UK being made to bail out one of the many shadow domains of EU public sector indebtedness, which are not captured by the statistics of Eurostat, such as securitisations of banks' Non-Performing Loans, bank capital deficits, publicly-owned private companies, companies owned by multiple public entities but each with a minority share, and schemes where debt service depends on a public sector entity but under a commercial contract rather than a loan agreement. You never hear rejoiniacs talk about these financial liabilities. ________________________________________ 8. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have completely closed the door on ever joining the Euro The risk of joining the Euro remains in the background (with people like Lord Adonis still campaigning for us to join). In a few years’ time the number of EU members outside the Euro will have reduced to 4 – and were the UK to seek to rejoin the EU, membership of the Euro would be a key demand of the Commission. Being outside we continue to benefit from having our own sovereign currency – which ensures we have autonomy over interest rate policy, debt policy, and money supply. ________________________________________ 9. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be funding the EU AID budget It is little known outside the development aid world but the UK spent an additional £3.5bn on supporting the EU’s separate Foreign Aid programme between 2014-2020. This amount was on top of the annual membership fee and accounted for 12% of the UK’s development aid spending. This commitment ended when we left the EU but would be an even larger annual liability were, somehow, the UK to seek to rejoin. An MP commented: "One of the unalloyed benefits of leaving the EU is that we no longer need to finance its development aid programmes. These are generally of poor quality and characterised by waste and incompetence. As a DFID Minister it was always depressing to see so much of our aid budget transferred to unaccountable EU institutions to run programms over which we had no control and whose results were rarely observable and more rarely audited." The Rt Hon Sir Desmond Swayne TD VR MP ________________________________________ 10. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have avoided the EU’s legal activism used to keep member states in check We have distanced ourselves from an entity that seizes on obscure Treaty clauses as the need arises and has them interpreted by the EU Legal Service as enabling actions of the EU in new areas, where powers have not been specifically granted to the EU by member states for the eventuality in question, such as EU's attempts to find legal justification for blocking vaccine movements to the UK and for establishing the Coronavirus Recovery Fund. What you see is not what you get from the EU, there is always another risk, commitment or bill around the corner. ________________________________________ 11. By choosing to ‘leave’ we are now able to change our procurement rules for naval shipbuilding The UK government now has the ability to use the World Trade Organisation rules for naval procurement by dispensing with all the rules and case law of the EU which makes it harder for the UK to designate contracts as UK-only. This would give the government the choice to build all the RN fleet in the UK if it wished, including large support ships of Royal Fleet Auxiliary, the Coastguard fleet and the proposed UK national flagship. This freedom would boost the UK’s shipbuilding, save and create thousands of jobs and keep billions in our economy. It would ultimately help UK shipbuilding to be more cost effective and make more for markets around the world too. Canada took a similar decision to keep the shipbuilding of government vessels at home, and has revitalised its shipbuilding industry in the process. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. The abolition of C1 is an example . I cannot see many people complaining " feel free to explain? | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. . And a few more from another organisaton - it looks like you might be on the wrong side of history . 1. Had we ‘remained’ we would have had to raise more in taxes Thankfully, we have no need to consider how to impose €10 billion per annum of new taxes between 2026 and 2030, to help the EU pay back the bonds it is issuing to enable grants of €390 billion out of its Coronavirus Recovery Fund, the grants being non-refundable. ________________________________________ 2. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced a huge contingent liability on the EU Covid Fund We have no need to factor into our own national accounts a contingent liability as guarantor for the balance of €360 billion of the Coronavirus Recovery Fund, where the money raised by the EU through bonds is on-lent to a member state but where all member states are liable for the bond repayments of those who fail to meet their obligations. ________________________________________ 3. Had we ‘remained’ we would have been paying even more to the EU Thankfully, we have no need to consider the high risk of escalation of the UK cash contribution to the EU Budget as the UK's GDP rises more quickly than the EU average and the UK's historical share of the EU Budget of 12% therefore rises – at the same time as the EU's money demands would be increasing. ________________________________________ 4. Had we ‘remained’ we would be faced with increased costs of new members We have no need to consider the costs and other implications for the UK of EU enlargement by the addition of at least the current three candidate countries – Serbia, Albania and Montenegro - and possibly more in future. That will never be our problem. ________________________________________ 5. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced more liabilities for the EIB We also have no need to consider the new risks being taken on by the European Investment Bank that might compel the UK to pay in more capital, for example the highly-leveraged European Guarantee Fund under which the EIB takes a first-loss position of €25 billion to enable other creditors to commit €174 billion, a ratio of 7-to-1 with, in consequence, a much higher risk of loss. ________________________________________ 6. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be on the hook for Eurozone insolvencies We have no need to be concerned about a direct cost to the UK, levied through the EU Budget, of the over-indebtedness of the Eurozone, in case one or more of the EU's financial mechanisms became insolvent: the EU itself, the European Central Bank, the European Investment Bank, the European Investment Fund or the European Stability Mechanism Being in the EU is not risk free and in the past (eg Greece, Ireland) funding has been called up. ________________________________________ 7. Had we ‘remained’ we could still be liable for EU public sector insolvencies There is now no chance of the UK being made to bail out one of the many shadow domains of EU public sector indebtedness, which are not captured by the statistics of Eurostat, such as securitisations of banks' Non-Performing Loans, bank capital deficits, publicly-owned private companies, companies owned by multiple public entities but each with a minority share, and schemes where debt service depends on a public sector entity but under a commercial contract rather than a loan agreement. You never hear rejoiniacs talk about these financial liabilities. ________________________________________ 8. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have completely closed the door on ever joining the Euro The risk of joining the Euro remains in the background (with people like Lord Adonis still campaigning for us to join). In a few years’ time the number of EU members outside the Euro will have reduced to 4 – and were the UK to seek to rejoin the EU, membership of the Euro would be a key demand of the Commission. Being outside we continue to benefit from having our own sovereign currency – which ensures we have autonomy over interest rate policy, debt policy, and money supply. ________________________________________ 9. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be funding the EU AID budget It is little known outside the development aid world but the UK spent an additional £3.5bn on supporting the EU’s separate Foreign Aid programme between 2014-2020. This amount was on top of the annual membership fee and accounted for 12% of the UK’s development aid spending. This commitment ended when we left the EU but would be an even larger annual liability were, somehow, the UK to seek to rejoin. An MP commented: "One of the unalloyed benefits of leaving the EU is that we no longer need to finance its development aid programmes. These are generally of poor quality and characterised by waste and incompetence. As a DFID Minister it was always depressing to see so much of our aid budget transferred to unaccountable EU institutions to run programms over which we had no control and whose results were rarely observable and more rarely audited." The Rt Hon Sir Desmond Swayne TD VR MP ________________________________________ 10. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have avoided the EU’s legal activism used to keep member states in check We have distanced ourselves from an entity that seizes on obscure Treaty clauses as the need arises and has them interpreted by the EU Legal Service as enabling actions of the EU in new areas, where powers have not been specifically granted to the EU by member states for the eventuality in question, such as EU's attempts to find legal justification for blocking vaccine movements to the UK and for establishing the Coronavirus Recovery Fund. What you see is not what you get from the EU, there is always another risk, commitment or bill around the corner. ________________________________________ 11. By choosing to ‘leave’ we are now able to change our procurement rules for naval shipbuilding The UK government now has the ability to use the World Trade Organisation rules for naval procurement by dispensing with all the rules and case law of the EU which makes it harder for the UK to designate contracts as UK-only. This would give the government the choice to build all the RN fleet in the UK if it wished, including large support ships of Royal Fleet Auxiliary, the Coastguard fleet and the proposed UK national flagship. This freedom would boost the UK’s shipbuilding, save and create thousands of jobs and keep billions in our economy. It would ultimately help UK shipbuilding to be more cost effective and make more for markets around the world too. Canada took a similar decision to keep the shipbuilding of government vessels at home, and has revitalised its shipbuilding industry in the process. " “And a few more from another organisaton” Cutting and pasting from a website without citing the source is not only poor form, it utterly avoids any opportunity to verify or contextualise the statements being made. Some of those might be right. Some might be wrong. All of them fail to provide context to illustrate whether any “losses” are worth it because they are offset by “gains”. However, once again these are “macro benefits” and as such are rather intangible to the man in the street and I specifically asked how the 17.4m individuals that voted leave have seen their life benefit from that decision. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. . And a few more from another organisaton - it looks like you might be on the wrong side of history . 1. Had we ‘remained’ we would have had to raise more in taxes Thankfully, we have no need to consider how to impose €10 billion per annum of new taxes between 2026 and 2030, to help the EU pay back the bonds it is issuing to enable grants of €390 billion out of its Coronavirus Recovery Fund, the grants being non-refundable. ________________________________________ 2. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced a huge contingent liability on the EU Covid Fund We have no need to factor into our own national accounts a contingent liability as guarantor for the balance of €360 billion of the Coronavirus Recovery Fund, where the money raised by the EU through bonds is on-lent to a member state but where all member states are liable for the bond repayments of those who fail to meet their obligations. ________________________________________ 3. Had we ‘remained’ we would have been paying even more to the EU Thankfully, we have no need to consider the high risk of escalation of the UK cash contribution to the EU Budget as the UK's GDP rises more quickly than the EU average and the UK's historical share of the EU Budget of 12% therefore rises – at the same time as the EU's money demands would be increasing. ________________________________________ 4. Had we ‘remained’ we would be faced with increased costs of new members We have no need to consider the costs and other implications for the UK of EU enlargement by the addition of at least the current three candidate countries – Serbia, Albania and Montenegro - and possibly more in future. That will never be our problem. ________________________________________ 5. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced more liabilities for the EIB We also have no need to consider the new risks being taken on by the European Investment Bank that might compel the UK to pay in more capital, for example the highly-leveraged European Guarantee Fund under which the EIB takes a first-loss position of €25 billion to enable other creditors to commit €174 billion, a ratio of 7-to-1 with, in consequence, a much higher risk of loss. ________________________________________ 6. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be on the hook for Eurozone insolvencies We have no need to be concerned about a direct cost to the UK, levied through the EU Budget, of the over-indebtedness of the Eurozone, in case one or more of the EU's financial mechanisms became insolvent: the EU itself, the European Central Bank, the European Investment Bank, the European Investment Fund or the European Stability Mechanism Being in the EU is not risk free and in the past (eg Greece, Ireland) funding has been called up. ________________________________________ 7. Had we ‘remained’ we could still be liable for EU public sector insolvencies There is now no chance of the UK being made to bail out one of the many shadow domains of EU public sector indebtedness, which are not captured by the statistics of Eurostat, such as securitisations of banks' Non-Performing Loans, bank capital deficits, publicly-owned private companies, companies owned by multiple public entities but each with a minority share, and schemes where debt service depends on a public sector entity but under a commercial contract rather than a loan agreement. You never hear rejoiniacs talk about these financial liabilities. ________________________________________ 8. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have completely closed the door on ever joining the Euro The risk of joining the Euro remains in the background (with people like Lord Adonis still campaigning for us to join). In a few years’ time the number of EU members outside the Euro will have reduced to 4 – and were the UK to seek to rejoin the EU, membership of the Euro would be a key demand of the Commission. Being outside we continue to benefit from having our own sovereign currency – which ensures we have autonomy over interest rate policy, debt policy, and money supply. ________________________________________ 9. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be funding the EU AID budget It is little known outside the development aid world but the UK spent an additional £3.5bn on supporting the EU’s separate Foreign Aid programme between 2014-2020. This amount was on top of the annual membership fee and accounted for 12% of the UK’s development aid spending. This commitment ended when we left the EU but would be an even larger annual liability were, somehow, the UK to seek to rejoin. An MP commented: "One of the unalloyed benefits of leaving the EU is that we no longer need to finance its development aid programmes. These are generally of poor quality and characterised by waste and incompetence. As a DFID Minister it was always depressing to see so much of our aid budget transferred to unaccountable EU institutions to run programms over which we had no control and whose results were rarely observable and more rarely audited." The Rt Hon Sir Desmond Swayne TD VR MP ________________________________________ 10. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have avoided the EU’s legal activism used to keep member states in check We have distanced ourselves from an entity that seizes on obscure Treaty clauses as the need arises and has them interpreted by the EU Legal Service as enabling actions of the EU in new areas, where powers have not been specifically granted to the EU by member states for the eventuality in question, such as EU's attempts to find legal justification for blocking vaccine movements to the UK and for establishing the Coronavirus Recovery Fund. What you see is not what you get from the EU, there is always another risk, commitment or bill around the corner. ________________________________________ 11. By choosing to ‘leave’ we are now able to change our procurement rules for naval shipbuilding The UK government now has the ability to use the World Trade Organisation rules for naval procurement by dispensing with all the rules and case law of the EU which makes it harder for the UK to designate contracts as UK-only. This would give the government the choice to build all the RN fleet in the UK if it wished, including large support ships of Royal Fleet Auxiliary, the Coastguard fleet and the proposed UK national flagship. This freedom would boost the UK’s shipbuilding, save and create thousands of jobs and keep billions in our economy. It would ultimately help UK shipbuilding to be more cost effective and make more for markets around the world too. Canada took a similar decision to keep the shipbuilding of government vessels at home, and has revitalised its shipbuilding industry in the process. “And a few more from another organisaton” Cutting and pasting from a website without citing the source is not only poor form, it utterly avoids any opportunity to verify or contextualise the statements being made. Some of those might be right. Some might be wrong. All of them fail to provide context to illustrate whether any “losses” are worth it because they are offset by “gains”. However, once again these are “macro benefits” and as such are rather intangible to the man in the street and I specifically asked how the 17.4m individuals that voted leave have seen their life benefit from that decision." The difficulty is that Remoaners always did see the referendum as a purely financial decision. Hence why they lost. All of their arguments in 2016 were purely about economics and finance. That's in part because when it came to any other issues, law, jurisdiction, sovereignty, immigration, international relations, they basically had no arguments so they had to focus in the only argument they had. And of course despite them having every international institution and organisation on their side, and being better funded by big businesses and banks than the Leave side, they still lost because their single argument failed to resonate with the electorate, because of course EU membership isn't just about money. And it's interesting that Remoaners still focus entirely on economics, despite the fact that that approach catastrophically failed for them in 2016. So given that they are so clever why not change tack and try a different approach? And what exactly is the point of all this whining in the internet? There is no possibility of the UK rejoining the EU, no evidence that the EU would have us, no evidence of any widespread interest for it in the UK, and no major party campaigning for it. Not even the dimwit Labour party could be stupid enough to try it after 2019. So what's the point? Sure if venting your spleen on the internet makes you feel better carry on, but it's not convincing anyone and isn't going to change anything. The fact of the matter is Remain lost because their arguments were weak and their representatives odious. Instead of responding with any kind of self analysis Remoaners have blamed Boris, Farage, the Russians, and the thick knuckle dragging electorate, when all they really needed to do to understand why they lost was look in a mirror. But that's too hard I guess. | |||
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"UK trade performance since the start of 2021 has been tricky to interpret given various statistical distortions and due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. The latter is unlikely to have helped the UK export sector due to the disruption within firms and the demand shifts it created – away from services, in which the UK specialises, towards goods, and within goods towards sectors like consumer electronics in which the UK has a limited presence. Despite these setbacks, however, plus the challenges created by new border processes coming in at the start of 2021, the underlying performance of UK exports to the EU has been remarkably resilient. The widely predicted collapse in sales has failed to materialise and sensitive sectors like food and fishing have proved surprisingly robust. While there have undoubtedly been some losers from Brexit among UK firms, claims of Brexit causing a slump in aggregate UK export performance are generally not supported by the evidence. Most of them reflect a misreading or deliberate misrepresentation of the evidence – as do claims of a big negative impact on UK economic growth. You keep using the same spurious argument...that being the implication that anyone said the UK would stop trading with the EU. Literally NOBODY ever said that as it would be utter nonsense. Of course the UK will continue to trade with the worlds largest market that is right on our doorstep. The economic impact is based on the changed nature of that trading relationship and the loss of frictionless trade (just ask the truck drivers in 20 mile queues on the M20). Brexit is causing huge supply chain issues and impacting hugely on the cost of materials. This is causing inflation. That is a direct result of Brexit and has been exacerbated by the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. And it isn’t just goods. The service sector is also being impacted. The next election will see what the UK population want. Whoever wins, I can see there being a referendum to rejoin the EU. But going by all your doom and gloom predictions we won't meet the Copenhagen criteria to be able to join anyway. As someone who thinks Brexit/Leave was a completely stupid and self destructive idea, it may surprise you to know that I do not think we should rejoin the EU! Why? Because we will never get the sweet deal we had before. We will not be able to stay out of the Euro zone, or Schengen, or maintain a veto. For a club membership fee we had the sweetest deal. While the headline figure for that membership fee sounded big and scary, the net benefits to the UK economy offset it by a huge multiple. Everyone in Leave acted like the bug bad EU made the UK do things and accept laws and regulations but totally ignored the fact that as the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU we wielded huge influence and made those laws and regulations together, as a group! I think the only way forward would be a Norway style deal. EEA type approach. Not rejoin the EU and as you say, our weakened economy means we have a weaker negotiating position than before. And just to add...the whole exercise will have been futile and short-termist to benefit and enrich a small minority. Leave voters skewed heavily towards older generations. Sad fact is many of those will be gone taking their rose coloured nostalgic spectacles with them leaving a heavily skewed younger pro-remain generation hankering after regaining what was lost. The whole exercise will have been a monumental waste of time, effort and money - except for the disaster capitalists who have made a fortune.. I would not describe 52 % of those who voted or 15 million voters as a small minority . Maybe they are more rational did an objective review or EU membership and concluded that the price of membership was not worth it. That isn’t what I said though Pat. It was very clear I was saying a minority of those who wanted Brexit are benefitting You really have form for answering a point that wasn’t made. Exactly how are those 15m leave voters (it was 17.4m but never mind, I know facts can be challenging) benefitting from Brexit? A few real examples please. Tangible not emotional. . And a few more from another organisaton - it looks like you might be on the wrong side of history . 1. Had we ‘remained’ we would have had to raise more in taxes Thankfully, we have no need to consider how to impose €10 billion per annum of new taxes between 2026 and 2030, to help the EU pay back the bonds it is issuing to enable grants of €390 billion out of its Coronavirus Recovery Fund, the grants being non-refundable. ________________________________________ 2. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced a huge contingent liability on the EU Covid Fund We have no need to factor into our own national accounts a contingent liability as guarantor for the balance of €360 billion of the Coronavirus Recovery Fund, where the money raised by the EU through bonds is on-lent to a member state but where all member states are liable for the bond repayments of those who fail to meet their obligations. ________________________________________ 3. Had we ‘remained’ we would have been paying even more to the EU Thankfully, we have no need to consider the high risk of escalation of the UK cash contribution to the EU Budget as the UK's GDP rises more quickly than the EU average and the UK's historical share of the EU Budget of 12% therefore rises – at the same time as the EU's money demands would be increasing. ________________________________________ 4. Had we ‘remained’ we would be faced with increased costs of new members We have no need to consider the costs and other implications for the UK of EU enlargement by the addition of at least the current three candidate countries – Serbia, Albania and Montenegro - and possibly more in future. That will never be our problem. ________________________________________ 5. Had we ‘remained’ we would have faced more liabilities for the EIB We also have no need to consider the new risks being taken on by the European Investment Bank that might compel the UK to pay in more capital, for example the highly-leveraged European Guarantee Fund under which the EIB takes a first-loss position of €25 billion to enable other creditors to commit €174 billion, a ratio of 7-to-1 with, in consequence, a much higher risk of loss. ________________________________________ 6. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be on the hook for Eurozone insolvencies We have no need to be concerned about a direct cost to the UK, levied through the EU Budget, of the over-indebtedness of the Eurozone, in case one or more of the EU's financial mechanisms became insolvent: the EU itself, the European Central Bank, the European Investment Bank, the European Investment Fund or the European Stability Mechanism Being in the EU is not risk free and in the past (eg Greece, Ireland) funding has been called up. ________________________________________ 7. Had we ‘remained’ we could still be liable for EU public sector insolvencies There is now no chance of the UK being made to bail out one of the many shadow domains of EU public sector indebtedness, which are not captured by the statistics of Eurostat, such as securitisations of banks' Non-Performing Loans, bank capital deficits, publicly-owned private companies, companies owned by multiple public entities but each with a minority share, and schemes where debt service depends on a public sector entity but under a commercial contract rather than a loan agreement. You never hear rejoiniacs talk about these financial liabilities. ________________________________________ 8. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have completely closed the door on ever joining the Euro The risk of joining the Euro remains in the background (with people like Lord Adonis still campaigning for us to join). In a few years’ time the number of EU members outside the Euro will have reduced to 4 – and were the UK to seek to rejoin the EU, membership of the Euro would be a key demand of the Commission. Being outside we continue to benefit from having our own sovereign currency – which ensures we have autonomy over interest rate policy, debt policy, and money supply. ________________________________________ 9. Had we ‘remained’ we would still be funding the EU AID budget It is little known outside the development aid world but the UK spent an additional £3.5bn on supporting the EU’s separate Foreign Aid programme between 2014-2020. This amount was on top of the annual membership fee and accounted for 12% of the UK’s development aid spending. This commitment ended when we left the EU but would be an even larger annual liability were, somehow, the UK to seek to rejoin. An MP commented: "One of the unalloyed benefits of leaving the EU is that we no longer need to finance its development aid programmes. These are generally of poor quality and characterised by waste and incompetence. As a DFID Minister it was always depressing to see so much of our aid budget transferred to unaccountable EU institutions to run programms over which we had no control and whose results were rarely observable and more rarely audited." The Rt Hon Sir Desmond Swayne TD VR MP ________________________________________ 10. By choosing to ‘leave’ we have avoided the EU’s legal activism used to keep member states in check We have distanced ourselves from an entity that seizes on obscure Treaty clauses as the need arises and has them interpreted by the EU Legal Service as enabling actions of the EU in new areas, where powers have not been specifically granted to the EU by member states for the eventuality in question, such as EU's attempts to find legal justification for blocking vaccine movements to the UK and for establishing the Coronavirus Recovery Fund. What you see is not what you get from the EU, there is always another risk, commitment or bill around the corner. ________________________________________ 11. By choosing to ‘leave’ we are now able to change our procurement rules for naval shipbuilding The UK government now has the ability to use the World Trade Organisation rules for naval procurement by dispensing with all the rules and case law of the EU which makes it harder for the UK to designate contracts as UK-only. This would give the government the choice to build all the RN fleet in the UK if it wished, including large support ships of Royal Fleet Auxiliary, the Coastguard fleet and the proposed UK national flagship. This freedom would boost the UK’s shipbuilding, save and create thousands of jobs and keep billions in our economy. It would ultimately help UK shipbuilding to be more cost effective and make more for markets around the world too. Canada took a similar decision to keep the shipbuilding of government vessels at home, and has revitalised its shipbuilding industry in the process. “And a few more from another organisaton” Cutting and pasting from a website without citing the source is not only poor form, it utterly avoids any opportunity to verify or contextualise the statements being made. Some of those might be right. Some might be wrong. All of them fail to provide context to illustrate whether any “losses” are worth it because they are offset by “gains”. However, once again these are “macro benefits” and as such are rather intangible to the man in the street and I specifically asked how the 17.4m individuals that voted leave have seen their life benefit from that decision. The difficulty is that Remoaners always did see the referendum as a purely financial decision. Hence why they lost. All of their arguments in 2016 were purely about economics and finance. That's in part because when it came to any other issues, law, jurisdiction, sovereignty, immigration, international relations, they basically had no arguments so they had to focus in the only argument they had. And of course despite them having every international institution and organisation on their side, and being better funded by big businesses and banks than the Leave side, they still lost because their single argument failed to resonate with the electorate, because of course EU membership isn't just about money. And it's interesting that Remoaners still focus entirely on economics, despite the fact that that approach catastrophically failed for them in 2016. So given that they are so clever why not change tack and try a different approach? And what exactly is the point of all this whining in the internet? There is no possibility of the UK rejoining the EU, no evidence that the EU would have us, no evidence of any widespread interest for it in the UK, and no major party campaigning for it. Not even the dimwit Labour party could be stupid enough to try it after 2019. So what's the point? Sure if venting your spleen on the internet makes you feel better carry on, but it's not convincing anyone and isn't going to change anything. The fact of the matter is Remain lost because their arguments were weak and their representatives odious. Instead of responding with any kind of self analysis Remoaners have blamed Boris, Farage, the Russians, and the thick knuckle dragging electorate, when all they really needed to do to understand why they lost was look in a mirror. But that's too hard I guess." Ooh that’s good. No seriously, it isn’t a bad analysis. I totally agree with things like some of the high profile remainers being odious (Cameron & Osborne for a start). The thing is pretty much everything that the remain side warned against (including war in Europe that most of us, inc me, rolled our eyes at and thought “Cameron you plonker that is going too far”) have come true. You shouted “Project Fear” but it has become “Project Reality”. And yes, some elements of Remain took a high and mighty and patronising tone to those Brexiters (though the insults flowed both ways). But the other problem is that those sovereignty and legal/law were completely spurious arguments intended to play to emotions rather than logic. The whole basis of those arguments was based on an idea that the big bad EU made the UK do stuff. They bullied the poor little UK. Completely ignoring the fact that we steered, influenced and made laws together as an integral part of the EU. The UK was the second biggest economy and most powerful military in the EU. We wielded massive influence and forced huge concessions securing a totally privileged position within the EU. Can you actually name anything in YOUR life that is better now we are not in the EU? Genuinely interested. As for brining things back to economics (financial) well yea that is dull, yes that isn’t really pulling on the emotive heart strings, but sadly everything about the quality of our lives does come back to economics. A wealthy country can provide a better standard of living to its citizens. A poorer country has to start cutting services and raising taxes. Dull I know and not as fun as being cross at the EU about bananas etc. | |||
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" “And a few more from another organisaton” Cutting and pasting from a website without citing the source is not only poor form, it utterly avoids any opportunity to verify or contextualise the statements being made. Some of those might be right. Some might be wrong. All of them fail to provide context to illustrate whether any “losses” are worth it because they are offset by “gains”. However, once again these are “macro benefits” and as such are rather intangible to the man in the street and I specifically asked how the 17.4m individuals that voted leave have seen their life benefit from that decision." The whole EU project was a “macro benefit” and intangible to the man in the street. | |||
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"You have simply avoided the issue of checking hard reported facts which are subject to an audit and are easy to check or verify. I like facts, especially easily verifiable ones. Can you give us the name of a company that has non-trivial exports, and hasn't suffered from Brexit, so that we can go and check the accounts for ourselves? JCB JCB managed to offset the damage done by brexit with the global upturn in construction. Their good fortune was unrelated to Brexit.. How would Brexit damage a company. We all still continue to trade with European countries, the only difference being that the terms are slightly different. Good to see you’ve still learned nothing about how Brexit impacts a company’s ability to export into the EU. You’re comments are ignorant of any factual points beyond belief or perhaps it’s just your usual trolling. Probably both. . Maybe some people are a little more open minded than you appear to be . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances. In the overall scheme of things a few exta bits of paper are irrelevant and any extra costs incurred now will be clawed back by the long term benefits of Brexit. Just because you claim it makes exporting more difficult does not mean other companies experience similar problems. A review of the accounts of many companies in the FTSE would tend to indicate that they have adopted to changing circumstances with little difficulty. I would prefer to make an assessment based on what happens in a wide variety of companies . Most companies would be concentrating on resolving issues with the energy crisis , Brexit is a distant memory Thank you for confirming your utter ignorance of reality. I’m not claiming it’s harder and more costly to export. The facts say it is. You should try reading some. Try starting with the governments own published figures and you will be enlightened. . A rather strange comment to call someone ignorant because you disagree with their analysis. It was be interesting to see if you would be brave enough to say it to someone's face. A review of the performance on a weekly basis of many UK plcs from two different sources provides me anf plenty of other people with objective non polititicallv orientated data on which to make an objective assessment of the impact. Brexit does not even get mentioned, it may come as a surprise to some but the EU is not our only export market . " Being unaware of information and in this case facts is being ignorant of information. So therefore yes you are ignorant by claiming the opposite of facts. In answer to your “Would I be so brave as to say this to someone’s face.” Yes indeed I would as I’m very comfortable with that situation thanks. If you don’t like being called ignorant then educate yourself to the facts as I explained earlier. It’s quite simple. Or maybe just don’t bother posting anymore bullshit on areas you don’t appear to have any knowledge of. Oh and I have exported outside of the EU for many years just so you know I can compare the situations. The data is published by a pro Brexit government so the political bias should be positive and yet it isn’t. Strange how you’re objective information contradicts their published facts. | |||
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