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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"If you do for the love of god get your supplier to do it. Don't gaff about with gas equipment yourself."
Nah you just phone them up and they will arrange a fitter to come around and remove the meter cap off the pipe for free 
You can however expect a visit periodically to make sure you are not reconnecting it  |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
Meter will be left in place until Spring, just in case.
Then it's out with the meter and no more Standing Charges.
And just like TV Licensing, I will revoke their Rights to Access. Therefore, walking up my drive - they'll be trespassing l. |
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"Meter will be left in place until Spring, just in case.
Then it's out with the meter and no more Standing Charges.
And just like TV Licensing, I will revoke their Rights to Access. Therefore, walking up my drive - they'll be trespassing l."
Would that work though. I thought the meter and pipework into the property were owned by the gas companies.
By revoking the rights of access, you are then stealing thier property which they could then make a police matter.
I'm just guessing by the way. |
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It’s your energy supplier’s job to remove your gas meter and make sure the incoming gas supply is capped.
Once the meter has been removed and the supply has been capped, you won’t have to pay a daily standing charge for gas.
The Gas Network Operator (GNO) is responsible for the gas pipe that comes from the gas main into the property. Some time after your gas has been disconnected, they’ll likely visit your property to check things out, and might decide to disconnect the gas pipe that runs into the house from the gas main in the street.
If you ever needed an existing gas pipe in your property to be moved or removed (for example if building work is being carried out and the existing pipe is in the way), you need to contact your local GNO to do this work. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"It’s your energy supplier’s job to remove your gas meter and make sure the incoming gas supply is capped.
Once the meter has been removed and the supply has been capped, you won’t have to pay a daily standing charge for gas.
The Gas Network Operator (GNO) is responsible for the gas pipe that comes from the gas main into the property. Some time after your gas has been disconnected, they’ll likely visit your property to check things out, and might decide to disconnect the gas pipe that runs into the house from the gas main in the street.
If you ever needed an existing gas pipe in your property to be moved or removed (for example if building work is being carried out and the existing pipe is in the way), you need to contact your local GNO to do this work."
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"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening."
That doesn't sound at all dangerous! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening."
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions  |
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"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions "
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?"
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
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"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
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you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove?"
You are right! I read "can't" as "can" and I then thought he was filling a tank up with 6 gas bottles. 
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"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?"
Unregulated gas pressure, steam overpressure, poor fabrication.
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"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove?
You are right! I read "can't" as "can" and I then thought he was filling a tank up with 6 gas bottles.
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lol ... you confused me there. thanks for the explaination |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove?"
I'm completely confused now!!
The 47kg Propane bottles you see at the back of caravans on caravan sites. Perfectly safe, swapping over is simple..
I'm turning my house into a caravan.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove?
I'm completely confused now!!
The 47kg Propane bottles you see at the back of caravans on caravan sites. Perfectly safe, swapping over is simple..
I'm turning my house into a caravan.
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I've got it now, I mistakenly read "Can't" for "can" which got me thinking you were building a large tank to store gas in. My mistake |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove?
I'm completely confused now!!
The 47kg Propane bottles you see at the back of caravans on caravan sites. Perfectly safe, swapping over is simple..
I'm turning my house into a caravan.
I've got it now, I mistakenly read "Can't" for "can" which got me thinking you were building a large tank to store gas in. My mistake "
Ahhh no.. I might be crazy as a coconut, but no mad man.
Get to do my favourite past time the next few weekends. Welding and fabricating old 47kg bottles into water heaters. If it works, I'll be heading to local scrappy to pick more up.
Did see a YouTube video where guy cut open an old bottle but didn't remove all the gas and left valve open. As bottle got hot during day, cool at night it was 'breathing' in air. Must have got between Explosive Limit as BOOM once grinder cut through.
Just spoken to guy over installing Solar and he offered me £450 for a converted bottle to heat his hot water tank without oil.
Well chuffed.. New EV arrived today and quarter a charge for free from surplus Solar = Free trip to Blackpool lights tomorrow night.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"LPG - I can't fit a bulk tank in garden but have put 6x 47kg down the side of the house.
As I can buy the gas upfront at my leisure and not rely on National Grid, should I be desperate for refills, I can throw two or three in the car.
Just curious if others are doing the similar.
I'll be fabricating an old 47kg cylinder into a 'rocket' log burner with copper coil inside. Burning wood in this while circulating water to the house DHW tank should offset a lot of LPG use - and be a feature to sit beside on a crisp evening.
Do you need inspections or any safety certs? What would be the damage should the tank blow and do you need special insurance? I have a lot of questions
how would the tank blow? i don't follow your point?
It is full of gas. Could it blow up, catch fire? It all sounds a bit risky storing enough gas to get you through a long period of time.
you're not being clear? which tank are you talking about exactly? the 47kg propane bottle readily available from petrol stations, b&q, camping shops etc etc, or the one being made into wood stove?
I'm completely confused now!!
The 47kg Propane bottles you see at the back of caravans on caravan sites. Perfectly safe, swapping over is simple..
I'm turning my house into a caravan.
I've got it now, I mistakenly read "Can't" for "can" which got me thinking you were building a large tank to store gas in. My mistake
Ahhh no.. I might be crazy as a coconut, but no mad man.
Get to do my favourite past time the next few weekends. Welding and fabricating old 47kg bottles into water heaters. If it works, I'll be heading to local scrappy to pick more up.
Did see a YouTube video where guy cut open an old bottle but didn't remove all the gas and left valve open. As bottle got hot during day, cool at night it was 'breathing' in air. Must have got between Explosive Limit as BOOM once grinder cut through.
Just spoken to guy over installing Solar and he offered me £450 for a converted bottle to heat his hot water tank without oil.
Well chuffed.. New EV arrived today and quarter a charge for free from surplus Solar = Free trip to Blackpool lights tomorrow night.
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Something to think of.
Defra’s Ready to Burn initiative, which is aimed at prohibiting the sale of high moisture, poor quality wood fuels in the UK, and the Clean Air Act, which limits where wood fuels can be burned. The UK Government is also planning to bring in a ban on burning house coal and wet wood by 2023 in order to help cut pollution. |
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"Something to think of.
Defra’s Ready to Burn initiative, which is aimed at prohibiting the sale of high moisture, poor quality wood fuels in the UK, and the Clean Air Act, which limits where wood fuels can be burned. The UK Government is also planning to bring in a ban on burning house coal and wet wood by 2023 in order to help cut pollution."
The sale of wet wood (as in moisture content) does not mean it will still be dry when used. All this legislation does is raise the price of firewood.
Would be more 'eco friendly' for firewood suppliers to give away moisture meters and an educational leaflet on storing and using their firewood correctly. |
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"Which bit?
Angle grinder and plasma cutter on the old 47kg or connecting LPG from NG?"
Great project! You don't have to be on a 12 acre plot in mid-Wales to go off-grid.
I'm sure the OP has done a full risk assessment for Fab Health and Safety, but for those concerned about a Fab user grinding a gas bottle in half, filling up an 'empty' gas bottle with water before any sparks fly will purge any residual gas left in the bottle. Obviously have to empty out the water afterwards
There are some great rocket stoves using 2 X 205 litre drums too. |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
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"Which bit?
Angle grinder and plasma cutter on the old 47kg or connecting LPG from NG?
Great project! You don't have to be on a 12 acre plot in mid-Wales to go off-grid.
I'm sure the OP has done a full risk assessment for Fab Health and Safety, but for those concerned about a Fab user grinding a gas bottle in half, filling up an 'empty' gas bottle with water before any sparks fly will purge any residual gas left in the bottle. Obviously have to empty out the water afterwards
There are some great rocket stoves using 2 X 205 litre drums too. "
Absolutely.. yes, fill with soapy water trick to remove traces of gas prior to cutting is part of the plan. A good hands on project as well as keeping me out of trouble.
Spoke to councillors today in my area, asked what plans are being put in place to assist people if affected by extended power failures, they all come back with they are not aware of any plans and they'd ask and get back to me Monday- so, nothing.
Then local community centre that is being set up as a "Welcome centre" to prevent OAPs riding busses all day to keep warm.
His plans sounded great and he was all excited until I asked "but, if gas shortages leads to electricity failures, then what happens?".
From his reaction, he'd not thought that one through. Anyway, after explaining LPG is currently the same per/kwh as Gas after Oct 1st, he is looking for company to supply bulk gas tank and, like me, converting boilers as well as a 3kw Generator to power the boiler, kettle and lights.
It is shocking that in 3 months, Winter is upon us and there is no planning or preparation advice.
What happened to the leaflets and handbooks with advice on dealing with pending threats and situations.
I need Grid's 50hz signal and to be able to push a small export as this gets detected then sent into water heaters and car charging automatically.
However, gas can be permanently off grid, electricity few days to a few weeks, but proves it can be done.
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