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My heart goes out to the poor souls that have lost family and homes in the horrific flooding from extreme monsoon rain.
Of course the usual suspects are blaming climate change. We all know that the geography of Pakistan makes it very susceptible to weather extremes. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change."
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic. |
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My best friend from school lost his parents in the floods.
They were accross visiting relatives at the time.
They were one of the first families that set up shops in Central Scotland and have helped many locals as well as myself over the years.
My heart goes out to all those struggling in Pakistan at the moment.  |
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"My best friend from school lost his parents in the floods.
They were accross visiting relatives at the time.
They were one of the first families that set up shops in Central Scotland and have helped many locals as well as myself over the years.
My heart goes out to all those struggling in Pakistan at the moment. "
It really resonates when you know someone involved. |
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"My best friend from school lost his parents in the floods.
They were accross visiting relatives at the time.
They were one of the first families that set up shops in Central Scotland and have helped many locals as well as myself over the years.
My heart goes out to all those struggling in Pakistan at the moment.
It really resonates when you know someone involved. "
It does. They were very well respected in our town. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic. "
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change."
A change as good as any
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way. "
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way. "
I didn’t start a debate on science. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science."
*hits forehead with hand in disbelief* - you started a thread with a comment on climate change not being a factor and a prod about "usual suspects" . Perhaps this wasn't mean to be a debate and just a chance for us to say "Oh yes Seb you are 100% right - thank you pointing that out"  |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science."
Is this another one of your non-denials? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?"
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message."
Nope he said "the usual suspects ARE blaming climate change" so not a reference to people chiming in here but a reference to wider world. It's so obvious it was prompting a debate then tries to deny the fact. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message."
Thank you. It was indeed a reference to the usual suspects on here, none of which as far as I’m aware are climate change scientists. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message.
Nope he said "the usual suspects ARE blaming climate change" so not a reference to people chiming in here but a reference to wider world. It's so obvious it was prompting a debate then tries to deny the fact. "
Wrong again. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message.
Nope he said "the usual suspects ARE blaming climate change" so not a reference to people chiming in here but a reference to wider world. It's so obvious it was prompting a debate then tries to deny the fact. "
Pretty fucking low using a tragedy like this to promote some kind of anti-science agenda though. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message.
Thank you. It was indeed a reference to the usual suspects on here, none of which as far as I’m aware are climate change scientists. "
This is clearly not true.
You said the usual suspects ARE saying it's climate change. You stated this at the beginning, before anyone here commented so you couldn't possibly be referring to the people here.
It follows the same pattern as your more race and xenophobia based threads. Post a controversial opener and then start with the fake outrage when people challenge you. |
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"Not sure if your confusion about science posts are really that much better than your xenophobic trolling.
Still, makes a change.
Doesn’t feel right to debate such things when so many are suffering but no confusion on my part.
I have never posted anything xenophobic.
You literally started a debate on the science then say it doesn't feel right to debate such things. You could have just posted the first paragraph if you felt that way.
I didn’t start a debate on science.
Is this another one of your non-denials?
I'm reading this differently to you and others, I could be wrong but...
I read the OP, as heart goes out for the victims of the floods, then goes onto say, people in this forum will chime in with climate change, basically derailing.
It sort of played out this way, except it was more an attack by others on the poster, derailing the message.
Thank you. It was indeed a reference to the usual suspects on here, none of which as far as I’m aware are climate change scientists. "
So which usual suspects on here had blamed climate change and where BEFORE you started this thread? |
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This is clearly not true.
You said the usual suspects ARE saying it's climate change. You stated this at the beginning, before anyone here commented so you couldn't possibly be referring to the people here.
It follows the same pattern as your more race and xenophobia based threads. Post a controversial opener and then start with the fake outrage when people challenge you."
Excellent summary of repeated behaviour. All that is missing to compete the pattern is to say it was just humour.
PS please don't take the seriously - it was just a joke |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?  "
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on. |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on. "
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda. |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on.
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda."
Who said I have an anti science agenda? |
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So your use of ARE was incorrect as nobody here had said anything.
If they had or would do as you assert (albeit wrongly) that is a touch hypocritical and inconsistent. You said you didn't feel it right to debate such things while people are dying why did you feel it right to have a prod at people here?
Haters have to hate? Surely having a prod at others here for things they had not yet said is hating?
You are man of complete inconsistency...to put it politely. |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on.
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda.
Who said I have an anti science agenda? "
You do, from this and your other anti-science posts and threads.
Your OP suggested it right off the bat. |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on.
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda.
Who said I have an anti science agenda?
You do, from this and your other anti-science posts and threads.
Your OP suggested it right off the bat."
Can I take that you are blaming it on climate change then? |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on.
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda.
Who said I have an anti science agenda?
You do, from this and your other anti-science posts and threads.
Your OP suggested it right off the bat.
Can I take that you are blaming it on climate change then? "
Are you asking me if I am blaming your use of this tragedy to push the anti-science agenda on climate change?
No, I assume you're trolling, rather than someone who is militantly anti-science. Regardless if you're trolling or for real, it's pretty poor taste. |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on.
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda.
Who said I have an anti science agenda?
You do, from this and your other anti-science posts and threads.
Your OP suggested it right off the bat.
Can I take that you are blaming it on climate change then?
Are you asking me if I am blaming your use of this tragedy to push the anti-science agenda on climate change?
No, I assume you're trolling, rather than someone who is militantly anti-science. Regardless if you're trolling or for real, it's pretty poor taste."
Assume away fella, as ever. |
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"And, they are out.
Oh god. Called out and play the victim. Perhaps instead answer the question - where and when did the usual suspects here blame climate change before your post?
Oh dear, haters have to hate.
When I typed my post I had a few Fab forum members in mind not the New Scientist.
I’m must be psychic as I was cock on.
Some might suggest that it's pretty hateful using the deaths of 100s of people to promote your anti science agenda.
Who said I have an anti science agenda?
You do, from this and your other anti-science posts and threads.
Your OP suggested it right off the bat.
Can I take that you are blaming it on climate change then?
Are you asking me if I am blaming your use of this tragedy to push the anti-science agenda on climate change?
No, I assume you're trolling, rather than someone who is militantly anti-science. Regardless if you're trolling or for real, it's pretty poor taste.
Assume away fella, as ever."
Well you claimed to assume that people here would blame climate change when none had. I think you've tied yourself in a knot of inconsistency on this one.
So much easier to say "yes I tried to have a debate and a prod but now realise is was in bad taste - sorry" Would get respect for that. |
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"Seb, is climate change a thing ?
And, if yes, did it pay any part in the floods ?
I'm sure you have the confidence in your opinions to state your view.
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I’m not a denier but I am a sceptic. The climate has always changed. The ‘science’ is more speculation really. It’s clearly not right to burn everything and we must change our ways. Let’s not go back to the Middle Ages though.
We don’t know that the climate has changed. We have only been recording it for a couple of hundred years and of course the way it’s recorded has changed. We’ve only had digital for what - 20 years or so? 25 years ago these floods would have been a couple of lines in the paper with a grainy mono image. Now it’s wall to wall 24 hour news channels. The Pakistan climate change minister has blamed climate change. Well, he would wouldn’t he.
What hasn’t been mentioned but it’s a fact unlike climate change speculation is the staggering population growth. From 58million in 1970 to 226 million today. Many of them living in known flood plains.
Let’s all do our bit but don’t give in to the climate fanatics and “don’t panic “
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Climate change is happening. Climate change is anthropogenic. There is global scientific consensus on this.
But on the flip side, we could look at whatever theory Johnny scrawled on the wall of a public toilet. |
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We know the global temperatures over 800,000 years to a good extent from ice cores.
We know the climate is changing, and at a significantly faster rate than ever before. And it correlates with the increase in Carbon Dioxide levels in the atmosphere.
It's not even a debate in the scientific world. 99.5% of all scientists agree. |
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"Seb, is climate change a thing ?
And, if yes, did it pay any part in the floods ?
I'm sure you have the confidence in your opinions to state your view.
I’m not a denier but I am a sceptic. The climate has always changed. The ‘science’ is more speculation really. It’s clearly not right to burn everything and we must change our ways. Let’s not go back to the Middle Ages though.
We don’t know that the climate has changed. We have only been recording it for a couple of hundred years and of course the way it’s recorded has changed. We’ve only had digital for what - 20 years or so? 25 years ago these floods would have been a couple of lines in the paper with a grainy mono image. Now it’s wall to wall 24 hour news channels. The Pakistan climate change minister has blamed climate change. Well, he would wouldn’t he.
What hasn’t been mentioned but it’s a fact unlike climate change speculation is the staggering population growth. From 58million in 1970 to 226 million today. Many of them living in known flood plains.
Let’s all do our bit but don’t give in to the climate fanatics and “don’t panic “
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Ok Corporal Jones, just tell that to the refugees in Bangladesh and Pakistan, nothing to worry about, don't panic. |
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"Seb, is climate change a thing ?
And, if yes, did it pay any part in the floods ?
I'm sure you have the confidence in your opinions to state your view.
I’m not a denier but I am a sceptic. The climate has always changed. The ‘science’ is more speculation really. It’s clearly not right to burn everything and we must change our ways. Let’s not go back to the Middle Ages though.
We don’t know that the climate has changed. We have only been recording it for a couple of hundred years and of course the way it’s recorded has changed. We’ve only had digital for what - 20 years or so? 25 years ago these floods would have been a couple of lines in the paper with a grainy mono image. Now it’s wall to wall 24 hour news channels. The Pakistan climate change minister has blamed climate change. Well, he would wouldn’t he.
What hasn’t been mentioned but it’s a fact unlike climate change speculation is the staggering population growth. From 58million in 1970 to 226 million today. Many of them living in known flood plains.
Let’s all do our bit but don’t give in to the climate fanatics and “don’t panic “
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Or you could learn about climate science. It's not that complicated, literally anyone could understand it. |
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"Seb, is climate change a thing ?
And, if yes, did it pay any part in the floods ?
I'm sure you have the confidence in your opinions to state your view.
I’m not a denier but I am a sceptic. The climate has always changed. The ‘science’ is more speculation really. It’s clearly not right to burn everything and we must change our ways. Let’s not go back to the Middle Ages though.
We don’t know that the climate has changed. We have only been recording it for a couple of hundred years and of course the way it’s recorded has changed. We’ve only had digital for what - 20 years or so? 25 years ago these floods would have been a couple of lines in the paper with a grainy mono image. Now it’s wall to wall 24 hour news channels. The Pakistan climate change minister has blamed climate change. Well, he would wouldn’t he.
What hasn’t been mentioned but it’s a fact unlike climate change speculation is the staggering population growth. From 58million in 1970 to 226 million today. Many of them living in known flood plains.
Let’s all do our bit but don’t give in to the climate fanatics and “don’t panic “
Or you could learn about climate science. It's not that complicated, literally anyone could understand it."
One of the problems is the often self appointed climate change experts  don’t do themselves any favours by claiming every extreme weather event is due to climate change. Earlier this year they claimed the famine in Madagascar was ‘the first climate change induced famine’. Right, no mention that on an island the population has grown from 6 to 26 million people.
Also the nonsense in Australia where a few years back they claimed after a drought it ‘may never rain again’. Guess what? Possibly the same experts that said the GBR was ‘bleached’ and would die off in a few years. Guess what - it’s now bigger than ever. |
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"Seb, is climate change a thing ?
And, if yes, did it pay any part in the floods ?
I'm sure you have the confidence in your opinions to state your view.
I’m not a denier but I am a sceptic. The climate has always changed. The ‘science’ is more speculation really. It’s clearly not right to burn everything and we must change our ways. Let’s not go back to the Middle Ages though.
We don’t know that the climate has changed. We have only been recording it for a couple of hundred years and of course the way it’s recorded has changed. We’ve only had digital for what - 20 years or so? 25 years ago these floods would have been a couple of lines in the paper with a grainy mono image. Now it’s wall to wall 24 hour news channels. The Pakistan climate change minister has blamed climate change. Well, he would wouldn’t he.
What hasn’t been mentioned but it’s a fact unlike climate change speculation is the staggering population growth. From 58million in 1970 to 226 million today. Many of them living in known flood plains.
Let’s all do our bit but don’t give in to the climate fanatics and “don’t panic “
Or you could learn about climate science. It's not that complicated, literally anyone could understand it.
One of the problems is the often self appointed climate change experts don’t do themselves any favours by claiming every extreme weather event is due to climate change. Earlier this year they claimed the famine in Madagascar was ‘the first climate change induced famine’. Right, no mention that on an island the population has grown from 6 to 26 million people.
Also the nonsense in Australia where a few years back they claimed after a drought it ‘may never rain again’. Guess what? Possibly the same experts that said the GBR was ‘bleached’ and would die off in a few years. Guess what - it’s now bigger than ever. "
I dunno what to say. You seem to find pride in not understanding any of the science here, and show distain for anyone who chooses to read about and understand it.
Again, all of your confusion could easily be solved in a couple of hours reading up and understanding the science. |
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"After the floods in Pakistan in 2010 what have their government done since then to mitigate any further floods ?
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If I was interested in changes to Pakistan's flood defence policies since 2010. A forum on a swingers website probably wouldn't be my first port of call. But hey. Let's see what happens. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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How Pakistan floods are linked to climate change:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62758811
That does not mitigate the fact that Pakistan's deeply corrupt politics have not helped better mitigate a foreseen problem.
A foreseen problem borne by poorer countries and caused predominantly by wealthier ones. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"How Pakistan floods are linked to climate change:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62758811
That does not mitigate the fact that Pakistan's deeply corrupt politics have not helped better mitigate a foreseen problem.
A foreseen problem borne by poorer countries and caused predominantly by wealthier ones."
India ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"How Pakistan floods are linked to climate change:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62758811
That does not mitigate the fact that Pakistan's deeply corrupt politics have not helped better mitigate a foreseen problem.
A foreseen problem borne by poorer countries and caused predominantly by wealthier ones.
India ?"
The country that has just suffered from one of their worst heatwave since records began?
https://www.dw.com/en/climate-change-india-pakistan-heat-wave/a-61905819 |
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