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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail" nope | |||
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"World is screwed if doesn't.." Drama queen No, I doubt it, it's all just political noise by the Democrats to deflect from their failures. He's a goldmine for them, the boogeyman | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail" Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail" Not likely in my opinion. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be." . If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. " If the law of land has been broken, then you have to apply it. Or are you saying mob rule should dictate which criminals are charged..? | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. " Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? " Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. " Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. " I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division." For your own mental health you should question your own bias. It is quite dangerous when masses of people lose their ability to think critically and instead choose to curate only the information that they want to receive You have no answers to the issues raised other than not trusting the FBI, not trusting the DoJ, not trusting the election, and not trusting the Government (because it is not Trump). Do you not see how tribalised you have become? You are refusing to believe what your eyes are seeing and your ears are hearing and that there is the problem of following a cult. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail" He should end up in jail if he has broken the law the penalty for which is a custodial sentence. He will not end up in jail even if this has happened. This leads to a very unfortunate president being set. If you are powerful, you can very publicly avoid legal consequences for breaking the law on serious matters of national security. So, what matter any other crime? | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division." If Trump broke the law in a matter of national security, should he be prosecuted or not? Forget if you "believe" that it is politically motivated or not. In principle, if he did it, should he face prosecution and incarceration or should he above the law? Is he more special than you are? | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail" I doubt it. He has money to pay for exceptional laywers. As funny as it would be to see the big insecure dummy locked up. I don't think it would serve much purpose in the fight against his brand of hate & misinformation based politics. | |||
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"Biden and trump coming here this week. Oh joy." An excellent time for a trip somewhere else!  | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division. For your own mental health you should question your own bias. It is quite dangerous when masses of people lose their ability to think critically and instead choose to curate only the information that they want to receive You have no answers to the issues raised other than not trusting the FBI, not trusting the DoJ, not trusting the election, and not trusting the Government (because it is not Trump). Do you not see how tribalised you have become? You are refusing to believe what your eyes are seeing and your ears are hearing and that there is the problem of following a cult." It is the problem of conformity, its a powerful force as this video in the link confirms https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNvtLarQ/ | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail nope " I would have said before no on anything “federal” and in his New York cases… but he will get charged in Georgia on his attempted election tampering …. But now….. I don’t see how he can’t get charged with anything over him keeping top secret stuff at his hotel, just because other people who have just discussed it have lost jobs, and those have taken it home have ended up in jail.. Obstruction of justice is probably his best case option now… but it could be a lot lot worse | |||
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"World is screwed if doesn't.. Drama queen No, I doubt it, it's all just political noise by the Democrats to deflect from their failures. He's a goldmine for them, the boogeyman" Oh OK. Didn't steal documents for Putin then.. Just hope when they finally get round it, it's for a long time. 30 years I've seen the crap put of his orangd mouth. Did he arrange the execution of Epstein? We'll never know. | |||
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"Nope. People right now more concerned about midterms than political ploys. 2024 2 years away midterms are in 3 months. " Actually best thing he can do for the republicans is not announce he is running for 24 till after the midterms, but I think he won’t be able to help himself if he is up to the shit and thinks he will be charged! The republicans already have the decision to reverse roe vs wade to back away from.. that will galvanise women and independents as well as the democratic base to vote in an off year election they probably wouldn’t have voted in, have that plus a this is what’s coming hanging over it would make their job harder…. | |||
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"He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. " I keep hearing the “civil unrest” argument… I thought we were saying that no man is above the law, but you are basically saying that a president is above the law! He is getting special treatment because he is an ex president… not in spite of!! | |||
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"World is screwed if doesn't.. Drama queen No, I doubt it, it's all just political noise by the Democrats to deflect from their failures. He's a goldmine for them, the boogeyman Oh OK. Didn't steal documents for Putin then.. Just hope when they finally get round it, it's for a long time. 30 years I've seen the crap put of his orangd mouth. Did he arrange the execution of Epstein? We'll never know." Yes, he spent 4 years in power and Putin waited until he was out of power to invade and lose the ability to be fed updated plan's by an acting president A masterplan Imagine being that fucking mental lol | |||
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" Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. " General convention is that you don’t bring up anything criminally politically 90 days out from an election… they did this 95 days out! I didn’t hear republicans complaining when comey bowed to republican pressure and opened up an investigation in Hillary Clinton 10 days out from the election!!!! Selective amnesia is a wonderful thing! | |||
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"He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. I keep hearing the “civil unrest” argument… I thought we were saying that no man is above the law, but you are basically saying that a president is above the law! He is getting special treatment because he is an ex president… not in spite of!! " The civil unrest thing is more a threat than an argument. And I didn't think the law was supposed to give in to threats. | |||
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"He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. I keep hearing the “civil unrest” argument… I thought we were saying that no man is above the law, but you are basically saying that a president is above the law! He is getting special treatment because he is an ex president… not in spite of!! " I am just giving what the locals are feeling. They both coming here this week. Biden at Wilkes university. Trump rally at the Mohegan sun arena. I hear everyday from people "here" that it's a witch-hunt.This county was strong democrats Trump flipped it red. We are known for being moderate. We were blue up until trump.Why do you think both parties constantly show up here. Obama took this county both times they need to ask why the huge shift.You can ask anyone here what did Biden accomplish. They will say nothing but ask anyone about Trump they talk your ear off. Hence why I say the general mood is witch-hunt. | |||
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"He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. I keep hearing the “civil unrest” argument… I thought we were saying that no man is above the law, but you are basically saying that a president is above the law! He is getting special treatment because he is an ex president… not in spite of!! I am just giving what the locals are feeling. They both coming here this week. Biden at Wilkes university. Trump rally at the Mohegan sun arena. I hear everyday from people "here" that it's a witch-hunt.This county was strong democrats Trump flipped it red. We are known for being moderate. We were blue up until trump.Why do you think both parties constantly show up here. Obama took this county both times they need to ask why the huge shift.You can ask anyone here what did Biden accomplish. They will say nothing but ask anyone about Trump they talk your ear off. Hence why I say the general mood is witch-hunt." The USA system of government works well until there are only two political parties, like it has been for decades. It now takes an obscene amount of time to get any law through the House of Reps and the Senate because each party votes, not on the merit of the proposal, but simply the opposite way to the other party. Biden may have a majority in the house but with McConnell and Joe Manchin in the senate he could hardly get a law to stop the sale of explosives to children under 6 passed in the Senate. Trump had the luxury of two republican houses for half his reign so could do some things like avoid two impeachments. | |||
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"World is screwed if doesn't.. Drama queen No, I doubt it, it's all just political noise by the Democrats to deflect from their failures. He's a goldmine for them, the boogeyman Oh OK. Didn't steal documents for Putin then.. Just hope when they finally get round it, it's for a long time. 30 years I've seen the crap put of his orangd mouth. Did he arrange the execution of Epstein? We'll never know. Yes, he spent 4 years in power and Putin waited until he was out of power to invade and lose the ability to be fed updated plan's by an acting president A masterplan Imagine being that fucking mental lol" Don't know what he'd do if someone had a video of prostitutes pissing all over Orange face n body an threatened to show it to the world. Putin waited? More like Dickhead gave Putin everything he needed including the "perfect phonecall" on the promise he to do during Biden. The damage withholding funds to Ukraine, this might not be happening today. Corrupt thief and nothing less. It truly is a shame the guy from Wales did get through to give him the Kennedy treatment. I pray everyday he has a stroke!! | |||
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" Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. General convention is that you don’t bring up anything criminally politically 90 days out from an election… they did this 95 days out! I didn’t hear republicans complaining when comey bowed to republican pressure and opened up an investigation in Hillary Clinton 10 days out from the election!!!! Selective amnesia is a wonderful thing! " But in any event, his name isn’t on any ballot paper is it? So the 90 day rule doesn’t really apply to Trump. | |||
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"Trump is under criminal investigation for…. 1) Tax fraud 2) Election Fraud 3) Incitement to cause an insurrection 4) Breach of the Espionage Act 5) Wilful obstruction He will be taken down by at least one of the above, possibly all. It is demented to think that the Republican front runner is is under so many investigations and his cult followers still think that he is the one in the wrong. " What I would like to understand is WHY the Trump supporters are so supportive. What is it about Trump that they believe in? What did he do in office that makes them love he so much? Am I missing something? I am not interested in Republican vs Democrat tribalism as I would hope (naively) that smart people can see beyond that and actually examine the truth about “their guy” and be able to articulate the good things and benefits to the country and citizens he delivered. Anyone? | |||
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"Trump is under criminal investigation for…. 1) Tax fraud 2) Election Fraud 3) Incitement to cause an insurrection 4) Breach of the Espionage Act 5) Wilful obstruction He will be taken down by at least one of the above, possibly all. It is demented to think that the Republican front runner is is under so many investigations and his cult followers still think that he is the one in the wrong. What I would like to understand is WHY the Trump supporters are so supportive. What is it about Trump that they believe in? What did he do in office that makes them love he so much? Am I missing something? I am not interested in Republican vs Democrat tribalism as I would hope (naively) that smart people can see beyond that and actually examine the truth about “their guy” and be able to articulate the good things and benefits to the country and citizens he delivered. Anyone?" Conceptually he is supported for similar reasons to the Brexit supporters in this country. It is not necessarily about what he achieved or did successfully (in the same way that Brexit can never be seen as a success). The issue is that Trump socked it to what is/was perceived as the conventional way of doing politics that had left so many people behind. Trump (and Brexit) confected enemies as a means of rallying ordinary people into supporting a person (a cause) based on delivering a simple solution to globally complex problems. In the same way the Brexiteers enjoy the taste of salty Remoaner tears so Trumpsters enjoy sticking it to lefty liberal elites. These are the big wins. The very, very sad thing is that these people just cannot see how they have been groomed and manipulated so very easily by propaganda that they themselves have chosen to curate and digest. There was a documentary on the History channel that I watched a long time ago about how ordinary Germans were in complete denial about what was going on in Germany in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s. They were not ignoring what was going on, they were just unable to believe anything other than the official Government lines. Ordinary Germans were so well groomed that it took years and years for them to realise what had really gone on under their noses. The issue is the human nature means that people would far easier believe what they want to believe than face up to hard truths that require complex thought processes. Bad actors know this and that is how they groom and manipulate people. | |||
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"Trump is under criminal investigation for…. 1) Tax fraud 2) Election Fraud 3) Incitement to cause an insurrection 4) Breach of the Espionage Act 5) Wilful obstruction He will be taken down by at least one of the above, possibly all. It is demented to think that the Republican front runner is is under so many investigations and his cult followers still think that he is the one in the wrong. What I would like to understand is WHY the Trump supporters are so supportive. What is it about Trump that they believe in? What did he do in office that makes them love he so much? Am I missing something? I am not interested in Republican vs Democrat tribalism as I would hope (naively) that smart people can see beyond that and actually examine the truth about “their guy” and be able to articulate the good things and benefits to the country and citizens he delivered. Anyone? Conceptually he is supported for similar reasons to the Brexit supporters in this country. It is not necessarily about what he achieved or did successfully (in the same way that Brexit can never be seen as a success). The issue is that Trump socked it to what is/was perceived as the conventional way of doing politics that had left so many people behind. Trump (and Brexit) confected enemies as a means of rallying ordinary people into supporting a person (a cause) based on delivering a simple solution to globally complex problems. In the same way the Brexiteers enjoy the taste of salty Remoaner tears so Trumpsters enjoy sticking it to lefty liberal elites. These are the big wins. The very, very sad thing is that these people just cannot see how they have been groomed and manipulated so very easily by propaganda that they themselves have chosen to curate and digest. There was a documentary on the History channel that I watched a long time ago about how ordinary Germans were in complete denial about what was going on in Germany in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s. They were not ignoring what was going on, they were just unable to believe anything other than the official Government lines. Ordinary Germans were so well groomed that it took years and years for them to realise what had really gone on under their noses. The issue is the human nature means that people would far easier believe what they want to believe than face up to hard truths that require complex thought processes. Bad actors know this and that is how they groom and manipulate people."  yep that’s how I see it too. The Nazis were absolutely genius at that.
But I would really like to hear from a Trump supporter. I want to hear their reasons. Because we can be sure they disagree with your post and see things differently. I am genuinely interested to try and understand their POV based on fact not rhetoric or tribalism. | |||
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"Trump is under criminal investigation for…. 1) Tax fraud 2) Election Fraud 3) Incitement to cause an insurrection 4) Breach of the Espionage Act 5) Wilful obstruction He will be taken down by at least one of the above, possibly all. It is demented to think that the Republican front runner is is under so many investigations and his cult followers still think that he is the one in the wrong. What I would like to understand is WHY the Trump supporters are so supportive. What is it about Trump that they believe in? What did he do in office that makes them love he so much? Am I missing something? I am not interested in Republican vs Democrat tribalism as I would hope (naively) that smart people can see beyond that and actually examine the truth about “their guy” and be able to articulate the good things and benefits to the country and citizens he delivered. Anyone? Conceptually he is supported for similar reasons to the Brexit supporters in this country. It is not necessarily about what he achieved or did successfully (in the same way that Brexit can never be seen as a success). The issue is that Trump socked it to what is/was perceived as the conventional way of doing politics that had left so many people behind. Trump (and Brexit) confected enemies as a means of rallying ordinary people into supporting a person (a cause) based on delivering a simple solution to globally complex problems. In the same way the Brexiteers enjoy the taste of salty Remoaner tears so Trumpsters enjoy sticking it to lefty liberal elites. These are the big wins. The very, very sad thing is that these people just cannot see how they have been groomed and manipulated so very easily by propaganda that they themselves have chosen to curate and digest. There was a documentary on the History channel that I watched a long time ago about how ordinary Germans were in complete denial about what was going on in Germany in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s. They were not ignoring what was going on, they were just unable to believe anything other than the official Government lines. Ordinary Germans were so well groomed that it took years and years for them to realise what had really gone on under their noses. The issue is the human nature means that people would far easier believe what they want to believe than face up to hard truths that require complex thought processes. Bad actors know this and that is how they groom and manipulate people." I agree with your view but would add an aspect of life in the USA we do not see so much in the UK and Europe these days. It is the strength of the average Americans belief in religion. It is universally far greater than than ours. As a consequence their proclivity to accept, through blind faith, matters that are scientifically and historically at worst, disproven, or at best, unproven make them far more susceptable to believing the unbelievable from their "messiahs". When I see interviews with Trump supporters they exhibit the same confident denial of reality in favour of the Trumpist story that religious zealots do. Every fact that opposes their belief is a lie made up by the unbelievers. I fear that it will take many years before the Republican party is able to return to some form of reality in its policies and attempts at government; if it ever does. In the meantime the threat of a facist takeover of the USA is on the cards. The ground works for that are already being laid by those individuals seeking power any cost. How will a UK, now acrimoniously divorced from Europe, cope when our "ally" with whom we have a "special relationship" starts wanting to impose their ways on the misguided liberal Europeans? What 3 word sound bite will our government use to get us to accept the unacceptable? | |||
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"Trump is under criminal investigation for…. 1) Tax fraud 2) Election Fraud 3) Incitement to cause an insurrection 4) Breach of the Espionage Act 5) Wilful obstruction He will be taken down by at least one of the above, possibly all. It is demented to think that the Republican front runner is is under so many investigations and his cult followers still think that he is the one in the wrong. What I would like to understand is WHY the Trump supporters are so supportive. What is it about Trump that they believe in? What did he do in office that makes them love he so much? Am I missing something? I am not interested in Republican vs Democrat tribalism as I would hope (naively) that smart people can see beyond that and actually examine the truth about “their guy” and be able to articulate the good things and benefits to the country and citizens he delivered. Anyone? Conceptually he is supported for similar reasons to the Brexit supporters in this country. It is not necessarily about what he achieved or did successfully (in the same way that Brexit can never be seen as a success). The issue is that Trump socked it to what is/was perceived as the conventional way of doing politics that had left so many people behind. Trump (and Brexit) confected enemies as a means of rallying ordinary people into supporting a person (a cause) based on delivering a simple solution to globally complex problems. In the same way the Brexiteers enjoy the taste of salty Remoaner tears so Trumpsters enjoy sticking it to lefty liberal elites. These are the big wins. The very, very sad thing is that these people just cannot see how they have been groomed and manipulated so very easily by propaganda that they themselves have chosen to curate and digest. There was a documentary on the History channel that I watched a long time ago about how ordinary Germans were in complete denial about what was going on in Germany in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s. They were not ignoring what was going on, they were just unable to believe anything other than the official Government lines. Ordinary Germans were so well groomed that it took years and years for them to realise what had really gone on under their noses. The issue is the human nature means that people would far easier believe what they want to believe than face up to hard truths that require complex thought processes. Bad actors know this and that is how they groom and manipulate people." Absolutely and we are currently seeing the same with many Russians, even parents whose children are Ukraine and seen the atrocities and reality of what is happening think they are lying. I can definitely see parallels in trump supporters that the man can literally do nothing wrong and it's all a conspiracy and that everyone's out to get him. | |||
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"I think trumps popularity might stem from the evangelical church plus the NRA and he appeals to the disenfranchised "It's always astonishing to me that anybody who claims to be religious can support Trump in any way whatsoever. | |||
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"I think trumps popularity might stem from the evangelical church plus the NRA and he appeals to the disenfranchised
It's always astonishing to me that anybody who claims to be religious can support Trump in any way whatsoever."Absolutely agree. What I will say is there is a huge difference between claiming you have a religion and having a faith. | |||
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"I think trumps popularity might stem from the evangelical church plus the NRA and he appeals to the disenfranchised "That's the greatest trick. Fooling the people who will suffer the most to vote for you. Same as the Tories do here. Speaking of the disenfranchised. | |||
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"I think trumps popularity might stem from the evangelical church plus the NRA and he appeals to the disenfranchised
That's the greatest trick. Fooling the people who will suffer the most to vote for you. Same as the Tories do here.
Speaking of the disenfranchised."It is strange, and all credit to the Tories and their media baron friends, how the “Conservatives” have managed to persuade working class people and poorer people to vote for them. Per capita they shouldn’t have a chance! But win away they do. The clue is in the party name. They are a party set up to conserve the status quo of keeping the rich, well rich, and the poor in line creating the wealth for the rich. They throw just enough crumbs and make just enough false promises and weaponise just enough distractions to keep the plebs in line. Astounding really. | |||
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"I think trumps popularity might stem from the evangelical church plus the NRA and he appeals to the disenfranchised
That's the greatest trick. Fooling the people who will suffer the most to vote for you. Same as the Tories do here.
Speaking of the disenfranchised.
It is strange, and all credit to the Tories and their media baron friends, how the “Conservatives” have managed to persuade working class people and poorer people to vote for them. Per capita they shouldn’t have a chance! But win away they do. The clue is in the party name. They are a party set up to conserve the status quo of keeping the rich, well rich, and the poor in line creating the wealth for the rich. They throw just enough crumbs and make just enough false promises and weaponise just enough distractions to keep the plebs in line. Astounding really."Tories should lose all the time. The fact they don't is depressing proof that many people can be convinced to vote against their own interests over + over again. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly." Why does he appeal to ‘working class people ‘ ? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. Why does he appeal to ‘working class people ‘ ?" Because they had more disposable income. Not living paycheck to paycheck when he was in office. Alot of people drove to Wyoming county for work in the fracking industry. That pretty much drying up. This area was coal kings in the US. That's gone. So you telling people here green new deal. Yet nothing to offset job losses. Biden from this area and now with all the scandals in the past because of democrats people here consider the division is Blue collar against white collar. Trump spoke to the bluecollar. Red against blue. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. Why does he appeal to ‘working class people ‘ ? Because they had more disposable income. Not living paycheck to paycheck when he was in office. Alot of people drove to Wyoming county for work in the fracking industry. That pretty much drying up. This area was coal kings in the US. That's gone. So you telling people here green new deal. Yet nothing to offset job losses. Biden from this area and now with all the scandals in the past because of democrats people here consider the division is Blue collar against white collar. Trump spoke to the bluecollar. Red against blue. " So what was it that Trump did that made these people feel he had done things to help them? What did he do that made a real difference? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. Why does he appeal to ‘working class people ‘ ? Because they had more disposable income. Not living paycheck to paycheck when he was in office. Alot of people drove to Wyoming county for work in the fracking industry. That pretty much drying up. This area was coal kings in the US. That's gone. So you telling people here green new deal. Yet nothing to offset job losses. Biden from this area and now with all the scandals in the past because of democrats people here consider the division is Blue collar against white collar. Trump spoke to the bluecollar. Red against blue. So what was it that Trump did that made these people feel he had done things to help them? What did he do that made a real difference?" Deregulation improved local economies here. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly." That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most. | |||
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"I think trumps popularity might stem from the evangelical church plus the NRA and he appeals to the disenfranchised
That's the greatest trick. Fooling the people who will suffer the most to vote for you. Same as the Tories do here.
Speaking of the disenfranchised.
It is strange, and all credit to the Tories and their media baron friends, how the “Conservatives” have managed to persuade working class people and poorer people to vote for them. Per capita they shouldn’t have a chance! But win away they do. The clue is in the party name. They are a party set up to conserve the status quo of keeping the rich, well rich, and the poor in line creating the wealth for the rich. They throw just enough crumbs and make just enough false promises and weaponise just enough distractions to keep the plebs in line. Astounding really."100% This is exactly how the world works now. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. Why does he appeal to ‘working class people ‘ ? Because they had more disposable income. Not living paycheck to paycheck when he was in office. Alot of people drove to Wyoming county for work in the fracking industry. That pretty much drying up. This area was coal kings in the US. That's gone. So you telling people here green new deal. Yet nothing to offset job losses. Biden from this area and now with all the scandals in the past because of democrats people here consider the division is Blue collar against white collar. Trump spoke to the bluecollar. Red against blue. So what was it that Trump did that made these people feel he had done things to help them? What did he do that made a real difference?" Reading the above exactly what Johnson gave the red wall north, what they wanted to hear. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most." . Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. " Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves." . It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't." Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? " Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. " After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing." They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out." You saw him whip up his supporters into storming the Capitol with your own eyes. You heard him bragging about sexual assault on tape with your own ears. You witnessed him lie over and over again about the result of the election he lost with your own eyes and ears. You'd think that'd be enough right there to never vote for him again. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out." So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't." I think we're pretty much saying the same thing here no? People get conned into voting against their own interests. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? " nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". " Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not... | |||
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"This is a heavy Catholic community not evangelical Christians. So to say it's religion related is kind of ignorant. You telling catholic denomination that they are crazy evangelical christians constantly just emboldens them." It may not be they follow Trump for religious reasons but their blind faith in everything he says and does stems from a pre-existing willingness to believe the un-proven and unbelievable. Trump has tapped into that vulnerability successfully and gained their support even though he is not personally, in any meaningful way, religious. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not..." . And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. " You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country." Omg you not hearing what I saying and this is disconnect. You choosing your hatred over 1 man. Just like the issue here. Everyone involved in the riot has been convicted or will be. You know investigations. If he found innocent what is your take. You would still scream guilty. That is democracy in action is it not? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. Omg you not hearing what I saying and this is disconnect. You choosing your hatred over 1 man. Just like the issue here. Everyone involved in the riot has been convicted or will be. You know investigations. If he found innocent what is your take. You would still scream guilty. That is democracy in action is it not? " You're still not listening. Trump blatantly incited his followers by pushing the big lie for ages that he'd won the election. That was utterly false. He then incited them further with his speech by the Capitol. You saw what happened. You know what happened, even if you're trying to hide from reality. Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. And yet you still say you may vote for the guy again. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. Omg you not hearing what I saying and this is disconnect. You choosing your hatred over 1 man. Just like the issue here. Everyone involved in the riot has been convicted or will be. You know investigations. If he found innocent what is your take. You would still scream guilty. That is democracy in action is it not? You're still not listening. Trump blatantly incited his followers by pushing the big lie for ages that he'd won the election. That was utterly false. He then incited them further with his speech by the Capitol. You saw what happened. You know what happened, even if you're trying to hide from reality. Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. And yet you still say you may vote for the guy again. " So you saying Biden is the better choice. If Trump the Nominee yes I would because of the policy of helping here. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. Omg you not hearing what I saying and this is disconnect. You choosing your hatred over 1 man. Just like the issue here. Everyone involved in the riot has been convicted or will be. You know investigations. If he found innocent what is your take. You would still scream guilty. That is democracy in action is it not? You're still not listening. Trump blatantly incited his followers by pushing the big lie for ages that he'd won the election. That was utterly false. He then incited them further with his speech by the Capitol. You saw what happened. You know what happened, even if you're trying to hide from reality. Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. And yet you still say you may vote for the guy again. So you saying Biden is the better choice. If Trump the Nominee yes I would because of the policy of helping here." Biden is shit. But he didn't try to overthrow democracy in your country and I seriously doubt he ever will try. Trump, on the other hand, did already try that. I have no doubt he'd happily do the same again. For a freedom loving American, it's v odd you would ever vote for such a man. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country." What has Biden got to do with anything? He's a terrible president. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump being an abysmal president. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". " Thank goodness for that, I was afraid you were one of those thick imbeciles who believed Trump and thought it was stolen. Why do you think he acted in that way? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. What has Biden got to do with anything? He's a terrible president. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump being an abysmal president." Terrible or abysmal, they pick their poison that suits their perspective, it's easier to swallow. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. What has Biden got to do with anything? He's a terrible president. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump being an abysmal president. Terrible or abysmal, they pick their poison that suits their perspective, it's easier to swallow. " When 1 candidate literally tried to overthrow democracy in their country, the choice becomes far more clear cut. You'd think so, anyway... | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. What has Biden got to do with anything? He's a terrible president. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump being an abysmal president. Terrible or abysmal, they pick their poison that suits their perspective, it's easier to swallow. When 1 candidate literally tried to overthrow democracy in their country, the choice becomes far more clear cut. You'd think so, anyway..." and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly. This is the status Quo with the current political climate. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly." But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… " And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. What has Biden got to do with anything? He's a terrible president. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump being an abysmal president. Terrible or abysmal, they pick their poison that suits their perspective, it's easier to swallow. When 1 candidate literally tried to overthrow democracy in their country, the choice becomes far more clear cut. You'd think so, anyway... and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly. This is the status Quo with the current political climate. " What Biden policy or policies has "wrecked" your local economy? What Trump policy or policies "improved" your local economy? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? " Should you only talk to people who support gun control about gun control? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? " Gun control…. I don’t have a problem with an enhanced background check, or stopping 18-21 year olds from going out and mass shooting people.. I know! Controversial! Do you have an issue with that! Real issues… you mean like that infrastructure bill he got passed… or the majority of build back better which brings down healthcare costs.. you mean those real issues? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? Gun control…. I don’t have a problem with an enhanced background check, or stopping 18-21 year olds from going out and mass shooting people.. I know! Controversial! Do you have an issue with that! Real issues… you mean like that infrastructure bill he got passed… or the majority of build back better which brings down healthcare costs.. you mean those real issues? " it's still not calming the people when everyday with his supposedly " infrastructure bill" being touted as a godsend. You don't come here tout "Gun control". When people are using them to hunt to put food on the tables. You see the disconnect? People's families hunt at 12 years old. Yes 12 year olds in the woods with rifles.Good job joe at your utter stupidity. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? Gun control…. I don’t have a problem with an enhanced background check, or stopping 18-21 year olds from going out and mass shooting people.. I know! Controversial! Do you have an issue with that! Real issues… you mean like that infrastructure bill he got passed… or the majority of build back better which brings down healthcare costs.. you mean those real issues? it's still not calming the people when everyday with his supposedly " infrastructure bill" being touted as a godsend. You don't come here tout "Gun control". When people are using them to hunt to put food on the tables. You see the disconnect? People's families hunt at 12 years old. Yes 12 year olds in the woods with rifles.Good job joe at your utter stupidity." Are there idiots in America who still think the election was stolen? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? Gun control…. I don’t have a problem with an enhanced background check, or stopping 18-21 year olds from going out and mass shooting people.. I know! Controversial! Do you have an issue with that! Real issues… you mean like that infrastructure bill he got passed… or the majority of build back better which brings down healthcare costs.. you mean those real issues? it's still not calming the people when everyday with his supposedly " infrastructure bill" being touted as a godsend. You don't come here tout "Gun control". When people are using them to hunt to put food on the tables. You see the disconnect? People's families hunt at 12 years old. Yes 12 year olds in the woods with rifles.Good job joe at your utter stupidity. Are there idiots in America who still think the election was stolen? " none in my circle. | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? Gun control…. I don’t have a problem with an enhanced background check, or stopping 18-21 year olds from going out and mass shooting people.. I know! Controversial! Do you have an issue with that! Real issues… you mean like that infrastructure bill he got passed… or the majority of build back better which brings down healthcare costs.. you mean those real issues? it's still not calming the people when everyday with his supposedly " infrastructure bill" being touted as a godsend. You don't come here tout "Gun control". When people are using them to hunt to put food on the tables. You see the disconnect? People's families hunt at 12 years old. Yes 12 year olds in the woods with rifles.Good job joe at your utter stupidity. Are there idiots in America who still think the election was stolen? none in my circle. " Good to hear, I am glad your ‘circle’ aren’t idiots | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. But what did he actually do for working class people? He gave his rich buddies a massive tax cut and tried to take people’s healthcare away from them! And still manages to preform what is basically a Jedi mind trick… And Biden coming to a heavy gun ownership county today to talk about gun control. Not the real issues. Empire mind control much? Gun control…. I don’t have a problem with an enhanced background check, or stopping 18-21 year olds from going out and mass shooting people.. I know! Controversial! Do you have an issue with that! Real issues… you mean like that infrastructure bill he got passed… or the majority of build back better which brings down healthcare costs.. you mean those real issues? it's still not calming the people when everyday with his supposedly " infrastructure bill" being touted as a godsend. You don't come here tout "Gun control". When people are using them to hunt to put food on the tables. You see the disconnect? People's families hunt at 12 years old. Yes 12 year olds in the woods with rifles.Good job joe at your utter stupidity." Is this a fair summary of what is proposed? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61938109 How does this effect someone hunting? Even at 12? | |||
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"Tumps appeal here is to the working class people. Religion has nothing to do with it. Clearly. That's the thing though. Working class people are the ones who both voted for him, and suffered the most.. Umm no they didn't. Not here. Hence why his strong support here. Biden is coming today and Trump on Saturday. There are reason why they come here. Trump improved living here Biden did not. If everything was fine they wouldn't be using us as a battleground. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Biden to go to Philly or Pittsburgh? No he coming here to persuade. He been in office for a long time. He from this area he didn't champion anything for this area but claims allegiance. That does not sit well. When you limiting this areas economic growth. Biden being shit doesn't make Trump good. The economic upturn started under Obama and was ruined by Trump's incompetence. The interesting point here is the parallel to here with people being conned into voting for the interests of big corporations over themselves.. It does here when he signed executive orders. I live here I seeing the decline since he took office. You can quote all you want from main stream news. It's factual here . Hence the red voting change in a notorious blue county. If Obama legacy was good as you say it was we would have voted for Hilary fist time Biden the second. We didn't. Would you vote for trump if he were to run in 2024? Haven't decided yet. Have to see how the investigations pan out. It be nice to have Desantis but everything comes down to the nominee. After everything, you still haven't made your mind up on Trump? That's pretty astonishing. They are called investigations not convictions. You all seen how the Russian collusion played out. So you still think the last election was ‘stolen’ ? nope. We look at policies here not all the other bullshit. If the policy increases your standard of living who would be the better candidate. Now if he is convicted that might change. But he has not been. To me Desantis is more well balanced. But giving a choice between Biden and trump again it be trump. Just because of the "Policies". Trump's policy was overthrowing democracy in your country. You'd think that would be a dealbreaker for voters in a democracy. Apparently not.... And bidens policies are destroying our local economy... Apparently so. You completely ignored what I said. So I guess you really are fine that Trump tried to overthrow democracy in your country. What has Biden got to do with anything? He's a terrible president. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump being an abysmal president. Terrible or abysmal, they pick their poison that suits their perspective, it's easier to swallow. When 1 candidate literally tried to overthrow democracy in their country, the choice becomes far more clear cut. You'd think so, anyway... and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly. This is the status Quo with the current political climate. " The downturn in the economy started under the previous president. But this is what we're both saying no? People can easily be fooled into voting for their guy rega regardless of reality. | |||
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" I think we know our guns. People are more concerned about the economy than the guns. " That's very cynical. Lots of Americans I know are concerned with children being regularly mass murdered in your schools. | |||
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"The bill was passed what does it have to do in the current economic situation? Shouldn't he be touting the infrastructure bill on how it is going to stimulate the economy here? I think we know our guns. People are more concerned about the economy than the guns. Coming here talking about guns whoopee let's clap. Food prices energy prices and the local economy takes priority . If you come here pandering for votes." So you have no concerns about the bill on guns and it doesn't affect 12 year olds hunting? Why can't he talk about guns if some people are interested? Will he definitely not talk about anything else? What if Trump talks about prices and says that everything is Biden's fault without offering any answers. Would that be better? | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division. For your own mental health you should question your own bias. It is quite dangerous when masses of people lose their ability to think critically and instead choose to curate only the information that they want to receive You have no answers to the issues raised other than not trusting the FBI, not trusting the DoJ, not trusting the election, and not trusting the Government (because it is not Trump). Do you not see how tribalised you have become? You are refusing to believe what your eyes are seeing and your ears are hearing and that there is the problem of following a cult." Didn't something like that happen in 1934 in Germany. Something to do with knives.. Oh yes "The Night of The Long Knives", that was it.. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division. For your own mental health you should question your own bias. It is quite dangerous when masses of people lose their ability to think critically and instead choose to curate only the information that they want to receive You have no answers to the issues raised other than not trusting the FBI, not trusting the DoJ, not trusting the election, and not trusting the Government (because it is not Trump). Do you not see how tribalised you have become? You are refusing to believe what your eyes are seeing and your ears are hearing and that there is the problem of following a cult. Didn't something like that happen in 1934 in Germany. Something to do with knives.. Oh yes "The Night of The Long Knives", that was it.. " Calm down Karl Marx.its not there yet. | |||
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"The DOJ absolutely crushed trumps defence last night… the 40 page filing is going to be seen as the beginning of the end, there is no way they can’t charge him " And not only is trump in trouble.. his lawyers are in huge trouble as well! Who is going to flip to keep themselves out of jail | |||
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"The DOJ absolutely crushed trumps defence last night… the 40 page filing is going to be seen as the beginning of the end, there is no way they can’t charge him And not only is trump in trouble.. his lawyers are in huge trouble as well! Who is going to flip to keep themselves out of jail " Do you think he will go to jail? | |||
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"The DOJ absolutely crushed trumps defence last night… the 40 page filing is going to be seen as the beginning of the end, there is no way they can’t charge him And not only is trump in trouble.. his lawyers are in huge trouble as well! Who is going to flip to keep themselves out of jail Do you think he will go to jail? " Before this… no Now… yes!!! Ironically speaking… of all the people you would have thought would have taken trump down… you would not have thought it would have basically been the librarians!!! | |||
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"The DOJ absolutely crushed trumps defence last night… the 40 page filing is going to be seen as the beginning of the end, there is no way they can’t charge him And not only is trump in trouble.. his lawyers are in huge trouble as well! Who is going to flip to keep themselves out of jail Do you think he will go to jail? Before this… no Now… yes!!! Ironically speaking… of all the people you would have thought would have taken trump down… you would not have thought it would have basically been the librarians!!! "Tbh, I think he will avoid jail time but he can forget about running in 2024, but who knows | |||
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"The DOJ absolutely crushed trumps defence last night… the 40 page filing is going to be seen as the beginning of the end, there is no way they can’t charge him And not only is trump in trouble.. his lawyers are in huge trouble as well! Who is going to flip to keep themselves out of jail Do you think he will go to jail? Before this… no Now… yes!!! Ironically speaking… of all the people you would have thought would have taken trump down… you would not have thought it would have basically been the librarians!!!
Tbh, I think he will avoid jail time but he can forget about running in 2024, but who knows ""I could shoot someone and not lose any votes" Trump, showing his utter distain for American people. The Trump supporter who posts on here seems to suggest that people support him and would vote for him not matter what. Selling state secrets to Russia means absolutely nothing to those people. I'm inclined to agree. | |||
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"Do you all think he going to end up in jail Yes I do. His legal arguments amount to an assertion that documents created during the term of Presidency are owned by that President. It’s a bonkers argument. He is bonkers and his legal team is bonkers for even trying to make that assertion. You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and resisted giving them all back. He is lucky not to be in custody right now. Any other person would be.. If he gets arrested there would be huge civil unrest. Why? He would not be indicted if he hadn’t done anything wrong and even from what we have seen already - he has. And I have no doubt whatsoever that far more shocking revelations will come to light as this thing goes on. A lifetime of privilege will not protect him this time. Even his most loyal disciples will start to see the light as more and more damaging material comes into the public domain. Do you really believe that Donald Trump should be above the laws that everyone else has to adhere to? Yes but a lot of people are not looking at it that way they looking at the DOJ investigation as a witch-hunt right before midterms to sway votes. They asking why now. Why not until after the vote. Considering what has already been made public, that is a somewhat over-cynical remark. As I said above… You just need to ask yourself what would have happened if any ordinary person had misappropriated top secret, and classified documents, kept them safe in a hotel and wilfully resisted giving them all back. Remember at one point in June his Lawyers said that they had given them all back and now he denies that he gave them that instruction and asserts that he has privilege to keep them - even though he lives in a hotel. He is in big trouble and only the true loyalists cannot see that. The majority of Fox News commentators are now at least admitting that he should not have taken the documents, even if they are generally (for now) still behind him. I live in a red county. No one here is listening they still support Trump. The raid just deepened the division. For your own mental health you should question your own bias. It is quite dangerous when masses of people lose their ability to think critically and instead choose to curate only the information that they want to receive You have no answers to the issues raised other than not trusting the FBI, not trusting the DoJ, not trusting the election, and not trusting the Government (because it is not Trump). Do you not see how tribalised you have become? You are refusing to believe what your eyes are seeing and your ears are hearing and that there is the problem of following a cult. Didn't something like that happen in 1934 in Germany. Something to do with knives.. Oh yes "The Night of The Long Knives", that was it.. Calm down Karl Marx.its not there yet." YET!! | |||
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"After yesterday's turnout for trump here it's not going to sit well with general public that supports him. Bidens message fell on deaf ears." We should be shocked. But this is the world we live in now. People simply don't care. | |||
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"After yesterday's turnout for trump here it's not going to sit well with general public that supports him. Bidens message fell on deaf ears." What is the phrase again, ‘fuck their feelings’ | |||
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"After yesterday's turnout for trump here it's not going to sit well with general public that supports him. Bidens message fell on deaf ears." Do any of those who turned out for trump in your area think the election was stolen ? | |||
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"The DOJ absolutely crushed trumps defence last night… the 40 page filing is going to be seen as the beginning of the end, there is no way they can’t charge him And not only is trump in trouble.. his lawyers are in huge trouble as well! Who is going to flip to keep themselves out of jail Do you think he will go to jail? Before this… no Now… yes!!! Ironically speaking… of all the people you would have thought would have taken trump down… you would not have thought it would have basically been the librarians!!!
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"Bidens mistake at this speech was he focused on one city not the entire county and it should have been more focused on the economy. Trump's speech is Saturday let's see if he capitalizes on bidens mistake." Why would ‘people like you’ give a shit what Trump says in his speech? | |||
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"Bidens mistake at this speech was he focused on one city not the entire county and it should have been more focused on the economy. Trump's speech is Saturday let's see if he capitalizes on bidens mistake. Why would ‘people like you’ give a shit what Trump says in his speech? " He endorsing our governor senator and Congress. We are the swing votes for those seats. | |||
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"Bidens mistake at this speech was he focused on one city not the entire county and it should have been more focused on the economy. Trump's speech is Saturday let's see if he capitalizes on bidens mistake." If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? | |||
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"Bidens mistake at this speech was he focused on one city not the entire county and it should have been more focused on the economy. Trump's speech is Saturday let's see if he capitalizes on bidens mistake. Why would ‘people like you’ give a shit what Trump says in his speech? He endorsing our governor senator and Congress. We are the swing votes for those seats." What has that got to do with Trump? Why would anyone with any intelligence be influenced by what he has to say? | |||
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"Bidens mistake at this speech was he focused on one city not the entire county and it should have been more focused on the economy. Trump's speech is Saturday let's see if he capitalizes on bidens mistake. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him?" He will become a Martyr for the toothless and brainless Maga brigade | |||
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-trump-pennsylvania-wilkes-barre-b2156039.html Hope it helps it was the wrong message to bring here. Like I said if Trump capitalizes in bidens mistake. It's probably going to turn the house and Senate. Accusing trump now was a bad move if you want to retain the votes for control to pass legislation. People here are looking at the optics of it not the actual investigations." Do ‘people here’ still think the election was stolen ?? | |||
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-trump-pennsylvania-wilkes-barre-b2156039.html Hope it helps it was the wrong message to bring here. Like I said if Trump capitalizes in bidens mistake. It's probably going to turn the house and Senate. Accusing trump now was a bad move if you want to retain the votes for control to pass legislation. People here are looking at the optics of it not the actual investigations." So Trump should be allowed to give state secrets to Russia and face no consequences? | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is." These ‘types of people’ love Trump more than they love their country | |||
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"I read Trump's supposedly been having a melt down on his shitty social media again. " It’s been banned on goggle now | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is." You have asked this more than once and you have been answered more than once. You are not going to change their mind or answer by repeating yourself. | |||
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"That pic of a bunch of stolen top secret docs just scattered on the floor at Trump's place is pretty damning. I'm curious how Trump supporters will try to spin that 1." Either: A. What about Biden? B. It's a setup C. Obama D. Some general confusion about the economy. | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is. You have asked this more than once and you have been answered more than once. You are not going to change their mind or answer by repeating yourself." Pretty sure they didn't answer this question. Unless I missed it. And I'm truly curious what it will take for certain people to change their mind on Trump. Hence the question. | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is. You have asked this more than once and you have been answered more than once. You are not going to change their mind or answer by repeating yourself. Pretty sure they didn't answer this question. Unless I missed it. And I'm truly curious what it will take for certain people to change their mind on Trump. Hence the question." The answer: "If Trump the Nominee yes I would because of the policy of helping here" Also said: "and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly" They will not vote for Biden. Reason: "bidens policies are destroying our local economy" I think this a clear cut not changing their minds, for party, might stop supporting Trump if he gets convicted but will jump onto the other candidate. | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is. You have asked this more than once and you have been answered more than once. You are not going to change their mind or answer by repeating yourself. Pretty sure they didn't answer this question. Unless I missed it. And I'm truly curious what it will take for certain people to change their mind on Trump. Hence the question. The answer: "If Trump the Nominee yes I would because of the policy of helping here" Also said: "and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly" They will not vote for Biden. Reason: "bidens policies are destroying our local economy" I think this a clear cut not changing their minds, for party, might stop supporting Trump if he gets convicted but will jump onto the other candidate. " I asked about if Trump went to jail. They didn't answer that. I'm really not sure why you're arguing about this. | |||
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"I read Trump's supposedly been having a melt down on his shitty social media again. " Oh the meltdown on truth social was epic to the point he started spouting qanon propaganda!!! I wonder if they showed the picture of all the documents on the floor on Fox News… and the fact they were all colour coded with the biggest print font I have seen in ages… it’s not like he could have any excuse for not only having them in boxes, but a few were found in the desks in his office! Why would he have them out of the secure place? The fact that the FBI agents had to call mid raid to get special permission to handle the classified documents says tons | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is. You have asked this more than once and you have been answered more than once. You are not going to change their mind or answer by repeating yourself. Pretty sure they didn't answer this question. Unless I missed it. And I'm truly curious what it will take for certain people to change their mind on Trump. Hence the question. The answer: "If Trump the Nominee yes I would because of the policy of helping here" Also said: "and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly" They will not vote for Biden. Reason: "bidens policies are destroying our local economy" I think this a clear cut not changing their minds, for party, might stop supporting Trump if he gets convicted but will jump onto the other candidate. I asked about if Trump went to jail. They didn't answer that. I'm really not sure why you're arguing about this." I'm not arguing, they said if he gets convicted they might change their minds. What is it you are trying to achieve here? | |||
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"Gonna ask again. If Trump goes to jail, will you still think about voting for him? You seem happy to ignore his wrongdoing so far. So at this point, I'm wondering what it takes for you to see what he is. You have asked this more than once and you have been answered more than once. You are not going to change their mind or answer by repeating yourself. Pretty sure they didn't answer this question. Unless I missed it. And I'm truly curious what it will take for certain people to change their mind on Trump. Hence the question. The answer: "If Trump the Nominee yes I would because of the policy of helping here" Also said: "and the other is wrecking our local economy. Try telling people. " Hey you can't like Trump". When people losing houses and barely making ends meet. If convicted it might change and I said that repeatedly" They will not vote for Biden. Reason: "bidens policies are destroying our local economy" I think this a clear cut not changing their minds, for party, might stop supporting Trump if he gets convicted but will jump onto the other candidate. I asked about if Trump went to jail. They didn't answer that. I'm really not sure why you're arguing about this. I'm not arguing, they said if he gets convicted they might change their minds. What is it you are trying to achieve here? " They were v vague when mentioning conviction. I wanted to hear a yes or no. That's all. Because it will be interesting to see if Trump is convicted if they later stick to that opinion. | |||
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"I read Trump's supposedly been having a melt down on his shitty social media again. Oh the meltdown on truth social was epic to the point he started spouting qanon propaganda!!! I wonder if they showed the picture of all the documents on the floor on Fox News… and the fact they were all colour coded with the biggest print font I have seen in ages… it’s not like he could have any excuse for not only having them in boxes, but a few were found in the desks in his office! Why would he have them out of the secure place? The fact that the FBI agents had to call mid raid to get special permission to handle the classified documents says tons " They have to charge Trump now. Surely. | |||
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"I read Trump's supposedly been having a melt down on his shitty social media again. Oh the meltdown on truth social was epic to the point he started spouting qanon propaganda!!! I wonder if they showed the picture of all the documents on the floor on Fox News… and the fact they were all colour coded with the biggest print font I have seen in ages… it’s not like he could have any excuse for not only having them in boxes, but a few were found in the desks in his office! Why would he have them out of the secure place? The fact that the FBI agents had to call mid raid to get special permission to handle the classified documents says tons " The permission to search is very strange, I don't get how they were not allowed to search anywhere they needed to? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really " So you think the election was ‘stolen’? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really So you think the election was ‘stolen’?" Lol no I'd be curious to see if they can have such high voting figures again though, like the UK the disinterest from voter's is endemic 75 million for Trump 81 million for Biden Both had more votes than any previous president I believe Curious what the turnout will be in 24 And after the mess the Tories have made I'm very curious to see what we'll produce at the next GE | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really So you think the election was ‘stolen’? Lol no I'd be curious to see if they can have such high voting figures again though, like the UK the disinterest from voter's is endemic 75 million for Trump 81 million for Biden Both had more votes than any previous president I believe Curious what the turnout will be in 24 And after the mess the Tories have made I'm very curious to see what we'll produce at the next GE" Ah, fair enough, seems strange that Trump would make up these claims without a shred of evidence , | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really So you think the election was ‘stolen’? Lol no I'd be curious to see if they can have such high voting figures again though, like the UK the disinterest from voter's is endemic 75 million for Trump 81 million for Biden Both had more votes than any previous president I believe Curious what the turnout will be in 24 And after the mess the Tories have made I'm very curious to see what we'll produce at the next GE" The next election here may indeed be interesting. | |||
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-trump-pennsylvania-wilkes-barre-b2156039.html Hope it helps it was the wrong message to bring here. Like I said if Trump capitalizes in bidens mistake. It's probably going to turn the house and Senate. Accusing trump now was a bad move if you want to retain the votes for control to pass legislation. People here are looking at the optics of it not the actual investigations." This is the same reasoning that the traditional Labour seats switched to the Tory party here. However, on current performance they will not be staying Tory. Again, what Trump policy helped your local economy and what Biden policy is bad for it? I'm interested as you have stated that policy is the way you make your voting decisions. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really " Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession?" Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction." And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted?" "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ?" Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not." once again the nominee.  | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee. "You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really."Why astonishing? Mandela was a convict. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Why astonishing? Mandela was a convict. "hahahahaha | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Why astonishing? Mandela was a convict.
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really."Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out."My favorite hopefuls are Desantis or Crenshaw. | |||
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"I read Trump's supposedly been having a melt down on his shitty social media again. Oh the meltdown on truth social was epic to the point he started spouting qanon propaganda!!! I wonder if they showed the picture of all the documents on the floor on Fox News… and the fact they were all colour coded with the biggest print font I have seen in ages… it’s not like he could have any excuse for not only having them in boxes, but a few were found in the desks in his office! Why would he have them out of the secure place? The fact that the FBI agents had to call mid raid to get special permission to handle the classified documents says tons The permission to search is very strange, I don't get how they were not allowed to search anywhere they needed to? " I think that was a very smart decision by the DOJ to specify exactly where they were going to search because it stops trumps side saying they were going on a fishing expedition! Also I bet the blank redacted stuff explains they were tipped off by more than one person as to where they would likely find stuff! | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out. My favorite hopefuls are Desantis or Crenshaw."Which of their policies will serve your local area better than Biden's? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Why astonishing? Mandela was a convict.
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out."It was a v simple question you still seem to be avoiding. If Trump is convicted, would you still consider voting for him? Hell, they aren't barring him from running because he was impeached twice. Would they really balk at a conviction? | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out.
It was a v simple question you still seem to be avoiding. If Trump is convicted, would you still consider voting for him?
Hell, they aren't barring him from running because he was impeached twice. Would they really balk at a conviction?"They will vote for the Republican nominee (candidate), what part of this answer are you struggling with? You are starting to come across as bullying, especially as they said if the party drops Trump, they will vote for the party nominee. | |||
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out.
It was a v simple question you still seem to be avoiding. If Trump is convicted, would you still consider voting for him?
Hell, they aren't barring him from running because he was impeached twice. Would they really balk at a conviction?
They will vote for the Republican nominee (candidate), what part of this answer are you struggling with? You are starting to come across as bullying, especially as they said if the party drops Trump, they will vote for the party nominee."It was a really simple question that was never answered. There are two v simple answers... Yes I'll still vote for Trump if he's convicted. No I won't vote for Trump if he's convicted. All else feels like deflection. | |||
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The only time trump did was getting 3 people on SCOTUS, but that’s more a case of McConnell than trump!
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"Put it this way, he HAS to be charged and serve some time otherwise it'll be all a waste and more proof to his fanbase that it's all a witch hunt The Russian collusion thing fell apart The impeachments were pointless and one sided This all smacks of democrats realising they're losing badly in the polls and Bidens popularity is particularly poor so they are agains using Trump as the boogeyman to rile up their voters. After all, why bother with competent leadership when you can just stir up vitriol They have to get something concrete, they have to try him, and it must be water tight otherwise it'll be another case of the boy who cried wolf It's all good TV though and fuck all else really Does it not "smack of" the Federal Government and armed forces and intelligence services wanting their classified documents back? Are you saying that you do not believe that there were any classified documents in Trump's possession? Is he convicted yet? Only in public opinion. DOJ needs a conviction. And if he is convicted? What then? Will you condemn him + never vote for him in the future? Or will you say he's been wrongly convicted? "IF"convicted. If he the nominee which I doubt if he has a conviction. I'll vote for my parties nominee. I am not changing sides on the presidential vote for you understandstan what a nominee is ? Based on that, sounds like you really don't care if he's convicted or not. once again the nominee.
You kept banging on about the fact Trump hasn't been convicted yet. So I asked if you wouldn't vote for him if he was convicted. You then implied you'd vote for him anyway. Pretty astonishing really.
Lol I am a moderate republican do you understand a nominee yes or no? Sure hell not voting democrat ever again. They not aligned with my political beliefs. Now "seems" you do not know what a presidential nominee is. If convicted trump is tainted. The GOP will throw him under the bus. If not convicted and he the nominee damn right I voting. If my party decides he is the candidate then he the candidate or if they choose Desantis it will be desantis. It's really not that hard to figure out.
It was a v simple question you still seem to be avoiding. If Trump is convicted, would you still consider voting for him?
Hell, they aren't barring him from running because he was impeached twice. Would they really balk at a conviction?
They will vote for the Republican nominee (candidate), what part of this answer are you struggling with? You are starting to come across as bullying, especially as they said if the party drops Trump, they will vote for the party nominee.
It was a really simple question that was never answered. There are two v simple answers...
Yes I'll still vote for Trump if he's convicted.
No I won't vote for Trump if he's convicted.
All else feels like deflection."That wasn't the answer you got from your questions, many similar questions! I see no way of explaining this to you... Time to stop! | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! " Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked." I agree with you on this | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked." what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter. | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter." The thread is called: Trump. That may be why we're talking about Trump here. Just a thought... | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter. The thread is called: Trump. That may be why we're talking about Trump here. Just a thought..." as usual | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter. The thread is called: Trump. That may be why we're talking about Trump here. Just a thought... as usual " Yup we do usually talk about Trump on Trump threads. As usual. | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter. The thread is called: Trump. That may be why we're talking about Trump here. Just a thought... as usual " He tapped into gas and coal resources here with no federal or international regulations. Now since we were the biggest coal producers back in the day. We switched to the gas . He deregulated. Now we back to rust belt . You were saying? Paris climate acvord ring a bell? | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter. The thread is called: Trump. That may be why we're talking about Trump here. Just a thought... as usual He tapped into gas and coal resources here with no federal or international regulations. Now since we were the biggest coal producers back in the day. We switched to the gas . He deregulated. Now we back to rust belt . You were saying? Paris climate acvord ring a bell? " I was saying Trump is a lying sack of shit who tried to overthrow democracy in your country. | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter." There's nothing in particular that Biden has done to cause a problem to the UK. He's also supposed to be putting America first, isn't he? The US is about to receive literally billions in investment in the automotive industry because of the rules of origin requirements for electric vehicle grant funding. Fracking is not particularly good for your country. Particularly in times of water scarcity. Again, which of Trump's policies and DeSantis and Crenahaw's did and will help your locality. Which of Biden's have been bad for your locality. What are the main economic policies that you are making your decision on to only be a Republican? | |||
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"The problem is that people won’t always read a 40 page DOJ filing… but photos don’t lie!! And that’s is what is going to rattle people!! If you have noticed a lot of the people that would defend trump have been very silent today… and trump himself has been in meltdown mode on his social media platform! He is throwing out everything to see if anything sticks.. Trump came into this fight with a knife, garland and the DOJ brought a flamethrower!! And the funny thing is that trump basically announced this fight.. and keeps daring the DOJ, and the DOJ keep calling his bluff! The is the worst game of poker ever, the best thing trump can do at the moment is just keep quiet and take the L, but he just keeps digging the hole! Trump can't stay quiet. And he can't stop lying. If he ever ends up having to defend himself in court under oath he's fucked. what is your obsession with trump? Besides the mean tweets. Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? I can tell you we sitting on a energy resource that can help the global market. 2 years is a lot of time to flood the market with natural gas.Yiu can't tell me that the red tape "private" land owners that have to jump thru hoops since bidens executive decision on fracking . They stall all the time on permits. We sitting on a huge resource to help nations... Crickets is the norm. Enjoy your winter. The thread is called: Trump. That may be why we're talking about Trump here. Just a thought... as usual He tapped into gas and coal resources here with no federal or international regulations. Now since we were the biggest coal producers back in the day. We switched to the gas . He deregulated. Now we back to rust belt . You were saying? Paris climate acvord ring a bell? I was saying Trump is a lying sack of shit who tried to overthrow democracy in your country." your the issue you choosing "lying sack of shit" over his policies. I'll gladly vote for someone that has the same policy any day of the week. Biden came here screaming anti gun and law enforcement. It's a joke. Guess what economics is the fuel for less crimes. | |||
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"Name one thing the Biden administration has done that benefits the UK ? " Ooooh…. I can answer that one!! Other than improving relationships within the G7 and NATO, and let’s not pretend that trump wasn’t playing the game for the Russians and would have tried to take the US out But you were so close with the rest of your answer.. it just that it was the wrong energy source you were talking about… Replace the word “gas” for “oil”…. Let me explain Biden took the decision to allow oil from the strategic oil reserve to sold on the open markets… This puts more oil out there .. which then decreases the demand with more supply.. which reduces the price, and reduces your price of petrol at the pump!! Your price has decreased every day for the last 80 days, our prices are going down slowly as well!! You are welcome!!!! | |||
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