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"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough " There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? " I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face." It's all about looking for someone else to blame. | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face." Almost believable only for the fact the company who sky rocketed their prices today are the eco-renewable company. Just pure price gouging facilitated by limp Energy regulator. Beyond a joke. | |||
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"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. It's all about looking for someone else to blame. " So you're saying we should just bend over and take it quietly because it's all our own fault? In the meantime a few make a massive profit... And btw there's a difference between rioting and protesting.  | |||
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"agreed. lots of price gouging going on in all sectors " It's unbelievable... Items rising 39% at once in Tesco  | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. It's all about looking for someone else to blame. So you're saying we should just bend over and take it quietly because it's all our own fault? In the meantime a few make a massive profit... And btw there's a difference between rioting and protesting. "No, I'm saying we need to look at our own part in over-consumption | |||
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"Can anyone explain what the role of the energy regulator or the CRU is?" A moderating regulatory influence on the principal players in the energy market, theoretically! But the regulator has no supervening influence in Vladimir Putin. | |||
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"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. Almost believable only for the fact the company who sky rocketed their prices today are the eco-renewable company. Just pure price gouging facilitated by limp Energy regulator. Beyond a joke." Agreed people a price gouging a cross the industry board. Greed is behind it ... however greed is also what put us in a global situation where you can charge whatever you want for commodities because the consumers apatite is insatiable! | |||
 igate wasters of energy, particularly non renewable resources: id est fossil fuels.
Even uranium is a finite resource that has a peak.
Peak oil was passed decades ago; all the low hanging fruit has been picked, and what is left is more costly to identify access and process, such as shales.
Identification and rapid implementation of viable solutions is simply too fragmented and fraught with political points scoring on a short term basis, to the detriment if the long-term big picture. | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. It's all about looking for someone else to blame. So you're saying we should just bend over and take it quietly because it's all our own fault? In the meantime a few make a massive profit... And btw there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
No, I'm saying we need to look at our own part in over-consumption "We definitely do, radically, but for environmental reasons. I don't agree though when the reasoning is used to get people to swallow the current price madness. Energy crisis is man made, it's not a resource shortage, has nothing to do with protecting the environment or being mindful with resources, quite contrary it's result of greed and megalomania. | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. It's all about looking for someone else to blame. So you're saying we should just bend over and take it quietly because it's all our own fault? In the meantime a few make a massive profit... And btw there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
No, I'm saying we need to look at our own part in over-consumption
We definitely do, radically, but for environmental reasons.
I don't agree though when the reasoning is used to get people to swallow the current price madness.
Energy crisis is man made, it's not a resource shortage, has nothing to do with protecting the environment or being mindful with resources, quite contrary it's result of greed and megalomania. "Humans are selfish and entitled, it's not concern for the planet that will change behaviour | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. It's all about looking for someone else to blame. So you're saying we should just bend over and take it quietly because it's all our own fault? In the meantime a few make a massive profit... And btw there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
No, I'm saying we need to look at our own part in over-consumption
We definitely do, radically, but for environmental reasons.
I don't agree though when the reasoning is used to get people to swallow the current price madness.
Energy crisis is man made, it's not a resource shortage, has nothing to do with protecting the environment or being mindful with resources, quite contrary it's result of greed and megalomania.
Humans are selfish and entitled, it's not concern for the planet that will change behaviour "I agree with that just that the energy crisis hasn't anything to do with saving the planet or being more resourceful. I'd go along with higher costs if the money would go towards that but it doesn't. All this crisis does it deepens social inequality. | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough " War in Ukraine both directly and indirectly leading to your price rises. If you hadn't noticed, most of the EU has had gas supplies shut off or restricted by Russia in retaliation to sanctions and other reasons. This has caused a gas shortage which is now going to the highest bidder. £6k here in April, power cuts over winter and many priced out of using it. Thank your government for, like here, for getting intoxicated on cheap Gas supplies knowing one day Russia would pull the plug. They've had 30 years to remove or significantly reduce gas from electricity generation. | |||
"Got word today my electric bill is going up by 35% Gas increasing by 39% and that's without government vat added on at 20% Not to mention the price of petrol and diesel, I don't believe the war in Ukraine is an excuse for all this. I think its just gouging people for every last penny, an average households energy bill will be 4k a year now, there should be riots on the streets over this!! Enough is enough There'll never be enough, Its a finite resource, we are greedy consumers and shortages were inevitable. There was never going to be the right time to bite that bullet. whats the point in rioting? I agree. We are consuming resources at an alarming rate that is far quicker than they replenish themselves. We can riot all we want to but it makes no difference whatsoever to solve the actual problems we face. It's all about looking for someone else to blame. So you're saying we should just bend over and take it quietly because it's all our own fault? In the meantime a few make a massive profit... And btw there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
No, I'm saying we need to look at our own part in over-consumption
We definitely do, radically, but for environmental reasons.
I don't agree though when the reasoning is used to get people to swallow the current price madness.
Energy crisis is man made, it's not a resource shortage, has nothing to do with protecting the environment or being mindful with resources, quite contrary it's result of greed and megalomania.
Humans are selfish and entitled, it's not concern for the planet that will change behaviour "Are you aware that Russia is now flaring off 3x the Gas consumption of the UK - Burnt to atmosphere? | |||
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"Don't listen to the msm they are only there to scare you , bet a lot of you didn't know that gas prices plummeted on Tuesday in the uk by over 20% they won't tell you that because its good news . Petrol was the same it went up to an all time high and was all over the news but when it came down it wasn't news anymore . https://www.cityam.com/gas-prices-plunge-as-germany-closes-in-on-storage-targets/?fbclid=IwAR3nhEXVgkJPc3TgOjBqRqbAlQ93Ef86YlgSa7UOJw5jwFb28AEA27n5jLQ" It appears to be very much in the "MSM" https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/01/wholesale-gas-prices-fall-europe-plan-winter-energy-crisis From the UK perspective out of our control. Due to action taken by the EU which always takes time to coordinate but can then make big shifts. You can probably blame Putin's chums in Hungary for the hold up... | |||
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"Useful explanation on energy pricing at the start of this episode of More or Less: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001bl03?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile The short version is that renewable energy costs are much lower than from fossil fuels but the market price is defined by that of gas. Power generating companies make lots of money but our direct suppliers don't. The gas price is high because of reduced supply from Russia. There is also a lack of storage for shipped gas in the UK because our government decided to shut it down. They are now spending a lot of money to recommission it. I'm not sure there is price gauging. Companies are passing prices on directly because nobody is telling them not to and it is very hard to prevent Quatar (for instance) from charging whatever the global market allows." There is “price gauging” going on but not by domestic suppliers, it is the City based energy traders and extraction companies that are basically war profiteering. | |||
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"I think what the last posting should have read is that there is price 'gouging' taking place; that is, ripping people off in times of crisis! Gauging pertains to size and measurement, I think. " Ha ha yes. Teach me to post when doing other things! | |||
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"Don't listen to the msm they are only there to scare you , bet a lot of you didn't know that gas prices plummeted on Tuesday in the uk by over 20% they won't tell you that because its good news . Petrol was the same it went up to an all time high and was all over the news but when it came down it wasn't news anymore . https://www.cityam.com/gas-prices-plunge-as-germany-closes-in-on-storage-targets/?fbclid=IwAR3nhEXVgkJPc3TgOjBqRqbAlQ93Ef86YlgSa7UOJw5jwFb28AEA27n5jLQ It appears to be very much in the "MSM" https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/01/wholesale-gas-prices-fall-europe-plan-winter-energy-crisis From the UK perspective out of our control. Due to action taken by the EU which always takes time to coordinate but can then make big shifts. You can probably blame Putin's chums in Hungary for the hold up..." Was this fall before or after the 3 day shut off of NORD STREAM1 and Gazprom supply to France? See tonight 72% of our electricity is being produced by burning of gas. Better to stick with data specialists than media speculation. If it stays low for 2 consecutive months then things may be different - there is a lot to back track. | |||
"Don't listen to the msm they are only there to scare you , bet a lot of you didn't know that gas prices plummeted on Tuesday in the uk by over 20% they won't tell you that because its good news . Petrol was the same it went up to an all time high and was all over the news but when it came down it wasn't news anymore . https://www.cityam.com/gas-prices-plunge-as-germany-closes-in-on-storage-targets/?fbclid=IwAR3nhEXVgkJPc3TgOjBqRqbAlQ93Ef86YlgSa7UOJw5jwFb28AEA27n5jLQ It appears to be very much in the "MSM" https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/01/wholesale-gas-prices-fall-europe-plan-winter-energy-crisis From the UK perspective out of our control. Due to action taken by the EU which always takes time to coordinate but can then make big shifts. You can probably blame Putin's chums in Hungary for the hold up... Was this fall before or after the 3 day shut off of NORD STREAM1 and Gazprom supply to France? See tonight 72% of our electricity is being produced by burning of gas. Better to stick with data specialists than media speculation. If it stays low for 2 consecutive months then things may be different - there is a lot to back track." It was today's news, so Nordstream cut-off priced in. Prices tend to be forward looking, although maybe not 2 months. Agreed that as the market has been so volatile a few days of a drop shouldn't be assumed to be a trend. | |||
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"Think it's more a patch of blue in a very stormy sky. We live in hope but after the last 5 months price craziness, it'll take a lot more than a little recovery to make a difference. Just don't get your hopes up, demand is about to sky rocket." The EU should have its storage full, even if we have none. However, we are pretending no reduction in usage is needed so could screw it all up. | |||
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"I wouldn't count the chickens just yet. NORD STREAM1- 3 days here, 3 days there and potentially longer shut off periods as well as other EU countries also being restricted such as Italy, could mean dipping into that precious storage sooner than normal. It's on a knife-edge. The UK also needs supply from that same storage system." I'm not arguing against you. It's an unknown. Depends heavily on how cold this winter will be and how good we are at reducing use whatever the weather. | |||
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"I wouldn't count the chickens just yet. NORD STREAM1- 3 days here, 3 days there and potentially longer shut off periods as well as other EU countries also being restricted such as Italy, could mean dipping into that precious storage sooner than normal. It's on a knife-edge. The UK also needs supply from that same storage system. I'm not arguing against you. It's an unknown. Depends heavily on how cold this winter will be and how good we are at reducing use whatever the weather." Then this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-62763523 I hope the UK government is listening. I'm prepared for off grid gas and electric. People I tell to do the same think I'm f'kin bonkers. Prepare or risk your family dying of cold. This is serious. If you listened to the radio program I put link to. The MP wanting to be our next Energy Secretary does not believe the government should be telling people to reduce consumption, to fine shops for running Air Conditioning with doors open like France, to shut down non essential business and compensate like Germany are. Think COVID response was bad - stay tuned!! | |||
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"It's only the second day of autumn and the Russians are already starting to very seriously interfere with Europe's gas supply, citing maintenance issues followed by a leak which necessitates stopping all flow through the pipeline: simply a taste of what is to come for at least the next six months, I wager." I am not betting with you.. I like a gamble but he's going to his upmost to make us suffer, even to the point of sabotaging cables or pipes under the sea. I keep saying this. If nothing else, get a gas fire and two bottles ready. They may just save lives if its baltic weather. My gas is going off Grid soon to LPG as I neither trust Russia nor this government to deal with a crisis - lights out Jan 4th. | |||
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"Don't listen to the msm they are only there to scare you , bet a lot of you didn't know that gas prices plummeted on Tuesday in the uk by over 20% they won't tell you that because its good news . Petrol was the same it went up to an all time high and was all over the news but when it came down it wasn't news anymore . https://www.cityam.com/gas-prices-plunge-as-germany-closes-in-on-storage-targets/?fbclid=IwAR3nhEXVgkJPc3TgOjBqRqbAlQ93Ef86YlgSa7UOJw5jwFb28AEA27n5jLQ" Today is different, today is notbthe same: Wholesale gas prices soar 30% on opening. The Dutch TTF, which is the main European benchmark of wholesale gas prices, is up by 30% at open. A spike was expected after Gazprom indefinitely suspended the Nord Stream I gas pipeline to Germany, claiming a leak was found during maintenance last week - something that Western analysts predicted could happen as Vladimir Putin "weaponises" energy. Prices now could have a significant impact on bills when the next price cap is announced in January unless government action is taken to potentially freeze bills. In normal times, Nord Stream 1 carries a third of Europe's supply from Russia. Stock market futures also suggested that continental Europe would witness a crash for share values, with Germany's DAX seen opening more than 3% down on the back of Russia's decision. IG saw the FTSE 100 in London opening 1% lower. | |||
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"Europe is now facing the bitter reality that its prosperity was based on cheap, on demand Russian energy and that renewables do not even begin to make up for a shortfall. In fact, they require fossil fuels as a back up when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow. Nuclear was labelled a boggieman and only France wisely kept this capacity in any abundance. You will have rolling blackouts, severe curtailing of industrial output and skyrocketing prices of just about everything as this requires affordable energy. A modern economy is not viable without it. And before someone brings out the non sensical "weaponising energy" comment, Russia had been a reliable energy supplier for decades going back to Soviet times. It was the Europeans who refused long term gas contracts that would have offered excelent prices, opting instead for a speculatove, open market. It was the Europeans who sanctioned Russian oil, exports and stole over 300 billion of funds the Russian government has in Western financial institutions. It was the West who tried to cancel everything Russian; language, culture, banning their athletes and performers and is now considering a visa ban. It was the west that didn't authorise the operation of Nordstream 2 once it was completed. There was a reason Gerhard Schroeder cultivated close relations with Russia and Gazprom. He knew Germany's prosperity was linked with cheap, limitless Russian energy. The idiots who succeeded him have taken a sledgehammer to this with the result being Europe will freeze and go hungry. Well done!" Actually, the problem is that Germany turned off it's nuclear reactors because of a tsunami in Japan. They have,at least, ramped up their renewable energy to the point where they have some slack and retained their storage capability, unlike us. Of course Russia was a reliable supplier. They were paid money. However, that gives them political leverage which is now no longer acceptable. Their meddling with elections and referenda have changed the calculus as has their influence in Hungary. Russian energy is very, very expensive politically and environmentally. Poor old Putin though. What a victim he is. | |||
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"Extremely controversial suggestion here: Clearly Russia is going to keep using restrictions on its gas supply as a weapon against Europe. But while the gas is still flowing, however intermittently, too many will procrastinate on the urgency for mass implementation of alternative - green, renewable - energy sources. Is it time to just bomb all the pipelines from Russia and permanently cut off the control that this gives Putin? " Sounds good to me. Fuck Russia. They're losing, their international activities are insane, starve them of cash. Ultimately we'll suffer now or suffer later. Let's lance the boil and get this shit done. | |||
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"Extremely controversial suggestion here: Clearly Russia is going to keep using restrictions on its gas supply as a weapon against Europe. But while the gas is still flowing, however intermittently, too many will procrastinate on the urgency for mass implementation of alternative - green, renewable - energy sources. Is it time to just bomb all the pipelines from Russia and permanently cut off the control that this gives Putin? " I can see your point, but that might be premature. There's a possibility that someone in Russia will wise up and take steps to help Putin 'fall out of a window'. If that happens, his replacement will likely want to get the sanctions lifted as quickly as possible, so will quickly turn the taps back on. If we destroy the infrastructure, there's less incentive for Russians to replace their leader. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.." Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. | |||
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"I have had so many enquiries this week over getting Off-Grid, not actually Renewables themselves but literally getting Gas of Mains. I am looking for a local community centre to collectively explain as I am loosing my voice I am on one call with 4 on hold and can't keep up. 6kwh diesel generator arriving here Friday and 450 litre marine fuel tank next week. It's too little, too late for many. I see they will drown but a lifeboat only holds a few. Every other event like this in my 51 years, government has sent "get prepared" leaflets and booklets out. So many poor bastards are going to freeze this Winter and it's heartbreaking before it starts if anyone saw Arwens after affects. People who've laughed at me the last 12 months are messaging for advice, sorry, next - I'll deal with those that listen. 12 months I tried to warn people this was coming, to fix contracts, get renewables and few have listened and about to pay a very heavy price. One bonus, the sun came out today and put 100 miles worth of charge in the car. Drive out later, maybe see some lightning." What we're facing is grim, and utterly avoidable. | |||
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"Completely. I hope the full truth of Blair, Brian, Cameron, Clegg, May and Johnsons pays full tribute to the lives lost this winter. 250,000 COVID. Drop in the ocean to overloaded hospitals with hyperthermia, hunger and suicides. COVID - bad response but unavailable. Energy- as you say, fully 100% avoidable. Energy costs, supply does not bother me one bit as it won't affect me. Worth £12k - yes, every penny as I am paying no more than £200 this year. Others could be the same. Currently arranging for vulnerable to move in with me or get them out to friends in Australia for Winter. Stand by 6kwh Inverter arriving here tomorrow in case of a breakdown over winter. £1500 - cheap insurance. I'll sell next year at a profit." I think a lot of people will get very desperate and might break. I've said it before. Whether that desperation turns inward into self harm or outward into civil unrest, we've yet to see. The reassurances that things will be fine, and the platitudes pretending to be advice - none of that reassures me. The opposite, in fact. | |||
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"Which is why over the last couple weeks, I've picked up 8x 47kg Propane bottles, 12x 12kg/13kg Butane as last resort. Solar, Generator, Air Conditioners should get most if Winter, just the few very cold days the boiler will eat some Propane. Laughable really, the 47kg Bottles were so cheap at almost full, the gas has worked out 1.5p/kwh." I'm in a flat, less I can do. I'm adding extra insulation where I can and have bought a lot of blankets. And a hand crank torch. Haha | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck." I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. | |||
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"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual." This is a problem only the government can solve - a majority of British houses may face fuel poverty, and businesses are being hit with even higher bills. I read (I think it was Twitter so grain of salt etc) one prediction that 75% of hospitality businesses might go under. Many of us chipped in during lockdowns etc. There isn't a lot we can do, as communities, with these catastrophic bills. Other than spend less and contribute to further economic collapse. And be cold and/or hungry, of course. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. This is a problem only the government can solve - a majority of British houses may face fuel poverty, and businesses are being hit with even higher bills. I read (I think it was Twitter so grain of salt etc) one prediction that 75% of hospitality businesses might go under. Many of us chipped in during lockdowns etc. There isn't a lot we can do, as communities, with these catastrophic bills. Other than spend less and contribute to further economic collapse. And be cold and/or hungry, of course." We could be given the advice to have been cutting back fuel use over summer and how to prepare for winter with insulation and fuel saving information. How about a scheme that encourages it with perhaps even some funding? Oh, wait, that got cancelled... | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.." Your definitely right about the waste that's going on and the lack of storage in the UK. However the UK has been pumping gas to the EU full on for several weeks now. It will be interesting if after all that the EU then won't reciprocate. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual." I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case. | |||
"Torch is great idea.. USB Battery Bank also to charge phones and headphones so you can listen to music. Another great option, I use for watching daughter at football- USB heated body warmer, they are awesome. 8000ma bank will run it on medium for 7 hours - £19 on Amazon. Heated under blanket 10w, 30w and 50watt settings. 20 hours of toasty bed at 50 watts for 1kw (52p). After two hours, it's too hot. Gas heater and a couple of bottles will see you through cold nights. I picked 8x up from Manchester last Wednesday. Crazy people selling them when they'll be begging for them in January. One man's rubbish is another man's gold. Just be careful as there are risks with them if you get one." The torch I got has a USB phone charger, rechargeable battery and battery slot, and emergency radio. Thinking prepper - contact with the outside world, light for my rooms without windows, food, mostly stay under a pile of blankets if the power is out for extended periods. Only other thing I might want is hot water, but assuming USB and no electricity (I am thinking blackout), I think it's too much to ask for (if it's really bitter a hot water bottle might make a huge difference) Got a heated throw, and it made a huge difference last year when one of my windows broke during a snow storm. Unsure of non electric heating in a flat (I have no outdoor space) - not sure it's worth the risk (I fear there will be a lot of fires this winter!). Multiple blankets and duvets, and I suppose I could bury myself under coats for good measure too Fingerless gloves, thick socks, etc | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. This is a problem only the government can solve - a majority of British houses may face fuel poverty, and businesses are being hit with even higher bills. I read (I think it was Twitter so grain of salt etc) one prediction that 75% of hospitality businesses might go under. Many of us chipped in during lockdowns etc. There isn't a lot we can do, as communities, with these catastrophic bills. Other than spend less and contribute to further economic collapse. And be cold and/or hungry, of course. We could be given the advice to have been cutting back fuel use over summer and how to prepare for winter with insulation and fuel saving information. How about a scheme that encourages it with perhaps even some funding? Oh, wait, that got cancelled..." We should give that a catchy name and raise awareness. Something like Insulate Britain? | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Your definitely right about the waste that's going on and the lack of storage in the UK. However the UK has been pumping gas to the EU full on for several weeks now. It will be interesting if after all that the EU then won't reciprocate." . The UK cannot do anything else with it. We have no storage. We are also getting paid for it. The point is that the EU are minimising use now to ensure that storage is as full as possible for winter. If we also reduced consumption then that storage could be closer to 100% which would allow more safety for a harsh winter and lower prices. Except that we are now "independent" of the EU, except for the areas where we are dependent on them... | |||
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"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Your definitely right about the waste that's going on and the lack of storage in the UK. However the UK has been pumping gas to the EU full on for several weeks now. It will be interesting if after all that the EU then won't reciprocate.. The UK cannot do anything else with it. We have no storage. We are also getting paid for it. The point is that the EU are minimising use now to ensure that storage is as full as possible for winter. If we also reduced consumption then that storage could be closer to 100% which would allow more safety for a harsh winter and lower prices. Except that we are now "independent" of the EU, except for the areas where we are dependent on them..." So once again another EU bashing story is the UK's lack of planning? This is my shocked face | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case." The WHO communicates the scientific information available. That changed as we learned more. Our Government did not change until it was too late. You have a selective memory, which isn't surprising... | |||
"I make a good bed heater I believe.. I give free advice, if they buy from me, a bonus. Guy next door is struggling big time, my usage is very low, we're talking of throwing cable over fence in to his garage and give him electricity for 2 years at 19p/kwh." My off peak rate is higher than that  | |||
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"I'd run a cable to Manchester, but.." Nah it's ok. I'm going prepper as I say. At least my desktop - expensive to run - kicks out heat. My office will be warm, I'll shove food in my face, then I'll hide in my blanket fort | |||
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"The number of people claiming Solar is expensive, not worth it. New car arrived yesterday, paid for by the savings of running a 2010 petrol. I'm actually £40 /month better off. Was the negatively- jealousy?" Probably
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"My line of work doesn't suit public transport. I've done the next best, zero pollution- not even 50% from DinoFarts Grid power." That's fair. I work from home and have no travel needs. I'm sure I could reduce my environmental impact, but right this second, let's just get through this goddamn winter | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case. The WHO communicates the scientific information available. That changed as we learned more. Our Government did not change until it was too late. You have a selective memory, which isn't surprising..." The WHO did what its CCP paymasters told it to do. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case. The WHO communicates the scientific information available. That changed as we learned more. Our Government did not change until it was too late. You have a selective memory, which isn't surprising... The WHO did what its CCP paymasters told it to do." | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case. The WHO communicates the scientific information available. That changed as we learned more. Our Government did not change until it was too late. You have a selective memory, which isn't surprising... The WHO did what its CCP paymasters told it to do." Sure. Well argued  | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case. The WHO communicates the scientific information available. That changed as we learned more. Our Government did not change until it was too late. You have a selective memory, which isn't surprising..." . There is a massive difference between giving advice which is easy and having to plans into action and bearing all the associated costs. The government got a lot of things right during the crisis and it is impossible to make the right decisions all the time. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Yeah, other countries are preparing. As a country, we are not. I'm preparing for it to be a clusterfuck. I think that this is the problem. People on this country can work together if they are provided with some leadership. It happened during COVID, but it came from Sir Chris Whitty and the other medical and scientific advisors. Not our Government who told us it was nothing to worry about and everything would be fine. For the energy crisis we have Martin Lewis whilst the Government once again tells us there's nothing to worry about. Carry on as usual. I thought it was the WHO that told everyone that there was nothing to worry about, back in January 2020. And as for Whitty, if we listened to him we'd all still be locked up at home now, just in case. The WHO communicates the scientific information available. That changed as we learned more. Our Government did not change until it was too late. You have a selective memory, which isn't surprising.... There is a massive difference between giving advice which is easy and having to plans into action and bearing all the associated costs. The government got a lot of things right during the crisis and it is impossible to make the right decisions all the time. " Eventually, they got some things right. They got some things wrong too, didn't they? Some big things. When they listened to the "so called" experts who turned out to be actual experts. When they let the NHS get on with things. When they gave jobs to their chums and made political decisions it was a disaster that cost billions and killed thousands. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Your definitely right about the waste that's going on and the lack of storage in the UK. However the UK has been pumping gas to the EU full on for several weeks now. It will be interesting if after all that the EU then won't reciprocate.. The UK cannot do anything else with it. We have no storage. We are also getting paid for it. The point is that the EU are minimising use now to ensure that storage is as full as possible for winter. If we also reduced consumption then that storage could be closer to 100% which would allow more safety for a harsh winter and lower prices. Except that we are now "independent" of the EU, except for the areas where we are dependent on them... So once again another EU bashing story is the UK's lack of planning? This is my shocked face "The EU have every right to accuse us of not planning or helping them prepare because we haven't. If we restricted our Electricity use, bearing in mind for every 1kwh Electricity from Gas, needs equivalent of 2.1kwh putting in. By conservation of both Gas and Electricity here, right now, would give Germany the chance to store on our behalf in order to pull back over Winter. Instead, we've carried on as usual, run air conditioning, hot tubs, unnecessary lighting over the past 4 months where the bulk could have been transferred to the EU to use later. We've done SFA to assist them in this and just like the game you play with a child where you put a packet of sweets on the table with the promise thar they're get 1px packets if they wait. Come back and the sweets are gone. Least we we're cool over summer, Winter's now a completely different story. Prepping is not to be called out, it is simple common sense. I've had horrible comments thrown at me the last 6 months, but I'm doing nothing more than preparing for a bad storm that may last a few weeks. We just need to make a few simple arrangements, see it as 'camping at home', but it might be the difference between family living or freezing to death. A other plan I am advising, don't prepare individual places. Try am house share with friends or family either over the winter to cut costs or, especially at time of failure. Why hear one house with one in when two families can benefit. | |||
"But through all of this.. Germany is cutting back to conserve to stock for Winter. France cutting back to support Germany's attempts to store. Bearing in mind, the country most likely to be desperate to call on German storage, is the UK. Our government attitude, fuckbit, we're restricting nothing. I walked into Greggs Saturday morning, 16'C outside, Air Conditioning on full cooling with doors wide open. In France $500 Euro fine. One shop in 10's of 1000's wasting precious energy that could be keeping us warm and lights on this Winter. So, what happens when Germany is short and we ask to use their storage and they turn round and say "you didn't help put some aside in summer like we suffered to do, go sling your hook". We are seriously in Cuckoo Land.. Your definitely right about the waste that's going on and the lack of storage in the UK. However the UK has been pumping gas to the EU full on for several weeks now. It will be interesting if after all that the EU then won't reciprocate.. The UK cannot do anything else with it. We have no storage. We are also getting paid for it. The point is that the EU are minimising use now to ensure that storage is as full as possible for winter. If we also reduced consumption then that storage could be closer to 100% which would allow more safety for a harsh winter and lower prices. Except that we are now "independent" of the EU, except for the areas where we are dependent on them... So once again another EU bashing story is the UK's lack of planning? This is my shocked face
The EU have every right to accuse us of not planning or helping them prepare because we haven't.
If we restricted our Electricity use, bearing in mind for every 1kwh Electricity from Gas, needs equivalent of 2.1kwh putting in.
By conservation of both Gas and Electricity here, right now, would give Germany the chance to store on our behalf in order to pull back over Winter.
Instead, we've carried on as usual, run air conditioning, hot tubs, unnecessary lighting over the past 4 months where the bulk could have been transferred to the EU to use later.
We've done SFA to assist them in this and just like the game you play with a child where you put a packet of sweets on the table with the promise thar they're get 1px packets if they wait. Come back and the sweets are gone.
Least we we're cool over summer, Winter's now a completely different story.
Prepping is not to be called out, it is simple common sense. I've had horrible comments thrown at me the last 6 months, but I'm doing nothing more than preparing for a bad storm that may last a few weeks.
We just need to make a few simple arrangements, see it as 'camping at home', but it might be the difference between family living or freezing to death.
A other plan I am advising, don't prepare individual places. Try am house share with friends or family either over the winter to cut costs or, especially at time of failure.
Why hear one house with one in when two families can benefit."Yeah. I feel like - yeah, I'm prepping, but only because I feel there's no system to back me or anyone else up. I'll do what I can to help, but it's a bit beyond me | |||
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"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. " Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government." Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders.  | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders. "Given our previous interaction, I'll pass on any future ones if it's all the same. I'm entitled to my opinion, you are to yours, and as you seem to be upset by evidence, let's not bother trying to reconcile them. | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders.
Given our previous interaction, I'll pass on any future ones if it's all the same. I'm entitled to my opinion, you are to yours, and as you seem to be upset by evidence, let's not bother trying to reconcile them."I'm not trying to reconcile, that would be a huge mistake and I'm sorry if you thought that was my intention. I will use this thread to measure the actual outcome of the incoming energy crisis, being it has predicated outcomes. As I mention, I hope you are wrong. | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders.
Given our previous interaction, I'll pass on any future ones if it's all the same. I'm entitled to my opinion, you are to yours, and as you seem to be upset by evidence, let's not bother trying to reconcile them.
I'm not trying to reconcile, that would be a huge mistake and I'm sorry if you thought that was my intention.
I will use this thread to measure the actual outcome of the incoming energy crisis, being it has predicated outcomes.
As I mention, I hope you are wrong. "Good. Please don't interact with me again | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders.
Given our previous interaction, I'll pass on any future ones if it's all the same. I'm entitled to my opinion, you are to yours, and as you seem to be upset by evidence, let's not bother trying to reconcile them.
I'm not trying to reconcile, that would be a huge mistake and I'm sorry if you thought that was my intention.
I will use this thread to measure the actual outcome of the incoming energy crisis, being it has predicated outcomes.
As I mention, I hope you are wrong.
Good. Please don't interact with me again "I will never interact with you privately, ever! However I might respond to your forum posts in the open forum. | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders.
Given our previous interaction, I'll pass on any future ones if it's all the same. I'm entitled to my opinion, you are to yours, and as you seem to be upset by evidence, let's not bother trying to reconcile them.
I'm not trying to reconcile, that would be a huge mistake and I'm sorry if you thought that was my intention.
I will use this thread to measure the actual outcome of the incoming energy crisis, being it has predicated outcomes.
As I mention, I hope you are wrong.
Good. Please don't interact with me again
I will never interact with you privately, ever! However I might respond to your forum posts in the open forum.
"Please don't respond to my posts in the forum either. This is a formal, public request | |||
"It's strange, I spoke to local councillor in March, he laughed.. I asked what plans councils are making last week to stop people freezing, "don't know, I'll find out" was the reply. I've started offering local advice clinics, I asked councillor to help find a way of supporting the costs, no reply. So, its on my own back. Rather than leave the ship steaming headlong onto the rocks, they've had 6 clear months to educate, plans, reduce demand and get us prepared for this "tough winter". Your doing the right thing and it's wrong you, as many are left to fend for themselves. I'm resourceful, technically minded that came from a background in an industry where 'fire fighting' and planning and fixing was the norm. Think the company based its maintenance policies on the A-TEAM. Least technology is better these days, think of the torches of yesteryear compared to today. Most critical: Heat Cooking Dried food - rice pasta Water Communication and charger power. That'll get you through.. Absolutely. I'm fortunate that I'm youngish, in a pretty new build flat, in good health etc. The suffering could be incredible. It's a catastrophic failure of government. Let's catch up on this in 4 months, I'm really interested to know if this was 100% accurate in the forecast and blame, or if it was an over reaction. I hope to say you were wrong, but we shall see. Note added to reminders.
Given our previous interaction, I'll pass on any future ones if it's all the same. I'm entitled to my opinion, you are to yours, and as you seem to be upset by evidence, let's not bother trying to reconcile them.
I'm not trying to reconcile, that would be a huge mistake and I'm sorry if you thought that was my intention.
I will use this thread to measure the actual outcome of the incoming energy crisis, being it has predicated outcomes.
As I mention, I hope you are wrong.
Good. Please don't interact with me again
I will never interact with you privately, ever! However I might respond to your forum posts in the open forum.
Please don't respond to my posts in the forum either. This is a formal, public request "Is this a rule of the site that I can't respond to your posts in the forums? | |||
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"Not quite sure it's a ceiling. The £2500 will be proportional in that it will be a max cost per kwh based on the same criteria the £3600 was. It will reduce for everyone at a similar value." Yes, it's a guide based on average usage. Better to just compare previous caps - it'll give you an indication of how much more you'll pay. | |||
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"I know bringing up Brexit triggers those few surviving hardliners but the FT have an article saying that because of Brexit - Hundreds of millions of pounds are being added to UK energy bills because of the failure to implement a trade deal with the EU that would allow efficient movement of power via subsea cables. Yet more “winning”!" But surely this was part of the ‘oven ready deal’? | |||
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"The special cap on energy payments announced by Liz Truss, the new UK Prime Minister means that a household has to spend in excess of £2500 before they are reimbursed for anything above that.Wow!" It looks like the £2500 new CAP means that October's rise will ne the equivalent of 36% not 86%. January was expected to be another 40% but that'll be locked into the CAP also. It's still considerable but not up to £5400, then £6600 April as predicted. Supply is the issue. | |||
"I know bringing up Brexit triggers those few surviving hardliners but the FT have an article saying that because of Brexit - Hundreds of millions of pounds are being added to UK energy bills because of the failure to implement a trade deal with the EU that would allow efficient movement of power via subsea cables. Yet more “winning”! But surely this was part of the ‘oven ready deal’?" Lol | |||
"I know bringing up Brexit triggers those few surviving hardliners but the FT have an article saying that because of Brexit - Hundreds of millions of pounds are being added to UK energy bills because of the failure to implement a trade deal with the EU that would allow efficient movement of power via subsea cables. Yet more “winning”!" Historically our bills were lower according to the FT . It looks like we had already won a long time ago . After months of feverish debate about soaring energy bills, no one could blame the average Briton for thinking the cost of switching on a light is extraordinarily high in the UK. Best not try telling that to a German, Dane or Irish family, however, because for all the talk of greedy power giants and rising green taxes, the UK actually has far lower energy bills than much of western Europe. A typical household’s annual electricity bill in Berlin, Copenhagen or Dublin this year was at least 34 per cent higher than one in London, according to the Finnish energy consultancy VaasaETT, which has done monthly EU household energy comparisons for the past four years that show UK bills are regularly among the lowest. Parisians’ electricity bills were 3 per cent lower in 2013, but they typically paid 10 per cent more for gas than Londoners. In Rome, gas bills were 34 per cent above those in London, while in Copenhagen they were 28 per cent higher. Britons also spend a smaller percentage of their income on electricity and gas than many other western EU states, and have seen smaller price rises than elsewhere, according to VaasaETT. Compared with the EU-wide average, moreover, household electricity and gas prices have been lower in Britain every year since 2007, figures from Eurostat, the EU statistics body, show. “If you put the UK into a wider EU context, energy prices are not especially high and they are not increasing especially fast,” said Christophe Dromacque, VaasaETT’s head of research. The UK’s relatively liberal energy market may be one reason why the political attacks on utilities have been so fierce compared with other countries that have higher bills. When prices are partly set by governments, politicians are less likely to criticise them. “In the UK, the price of energy is set by the utilities only, so it’s easy to attack them,” said Mr Dromacque. He notes that when British energy companies do raise their prices, they do not shy away from the thudding increases many announced in October, some of which were as high as 10 per cent. Other EU power companies impose more gradual increases, he said, though the end result is that prices outside the UK have risen by the same amount or more. The reasons for the European trend of rising energy prices vary from state to state, but in many countries governments have loaded surcharges on to energy bills to fund the modernisation of their power networks and provide renewable energy such as wind farms. “There is no doubt that rising government taxes account for a large share of higher electricity bills,” said Giuseppe Lorubio, head of the retail customers’ unit at Eurelectric, the electricity industry association. | |||
"I know bringing up Brexit triggers those few surviving hardliners but the FT have an article saying that because of Brexit - Hundreds of millions of pounds are being added to UK energy bills because of the failure to implement a trade deal with the EU that would allow efficient movement of power via subsea cables. Yet more “winning”! Historically our bills were lower according to the FT . It looks like we had already won a long time ago . After months of feverish debate about soaring energy bills, no one could blame the average Briton for thinking the cost of switching on a light is extraordinarily high in the UK. Best not try telling that to a German, Dane or Irish family, however, because for all the talk of greedy power giants and rising green taxes, the UK actually has far lower energy bills than much of western Europe. A typical household’s annual electricity bill in Berlin, Copenhagen or Dublin this year was at least 34 per cent higher than one in London, according to the Finnish energy consultancy VaasaETT, which has done monthly EU household energy comparisons for the past four years that show UK bills are regularly among the lowest. Parisians’ electricity bills were 3 per cent lower in 2013, but they typically paid 10 per cent more for gas than Londoners. In Rome, gas bills were 34 per cent above those in London, while in Copenhagen they were 28 per cent higher. Britons also spend a smaller percentage of their income on electricity and gas than many other western EU states, and have seen smaller price rises than elsewhere, according to VaasaETT. Compared with the EU-wide average, moreover, household electricity and gas prices have been lower in Britain every year since 2007, figures from Eurostat, the EU statistics body, show. “If you put the UK into a wider EU context, energy prices are not especially high and they are not increasing especially fast,” said Christophe Dromacque, VaasaETT’s head of research. The UK’s relatively liberal energy market may be one reason why the political attacks on utilities have been so fierce compared with other countries that have higher bills. When prices are partly set by governments, politicians are less likely to criticise them. “In the UK, the price of energy is set by the utilities only, so it’s easy to attack them,” said Mr Dromacque. He notes that when British energy companies do raise their prices, they do not shy away from the thudding increases many announced in October, some of which were as high as 10 per cent. Other EU power companies impose more gradual increases, he said, though the end result is that prices outside the UK have risen by the same amount or more. The reasons for the European trend of rising energy prices vary from state to state, but in many countries governments have loaded surcharges on to energy bills to fund the modernisation of their power networks and provide renewable energy such as wind farms. “There is no doubt that rising government taxes account for a large share of higher electricity bills,” said Giuseppe Lorubio, head of the retail customers’ unit at Eurelectric, the electricity industry association. " Wait a minute! What have you done with Pat? Has Mr Hay’s profile been hacked? Where is the satire? Where is the comedy gold we have gotten used to and the unfailing blind loyalty to the Cult of (scrub out previous tory leader and replace with new one - which happens a lot, 4 in 6 years). Credit where it is due, this info is worth looking into and ensuring it is viewed in the wider context of income, taxes, general cost of living etc over same time periods. | |||
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"The Briefing Room: Can we keep the lights on this winter? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001bks6?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile" Been saying this since March. Seems I was the sayer of doom n gloom. I'd suggest: 1) secondary form of heat - gas heater and spare bottles 2) power banks to charge phones Depending on how convinced this might happen. 3) LPG Conversion kit for boiler, LPG cylinders, Auto Switch regulator, 22mm pipe to be ready to switch to off-Grid gas. 4) If Solar/Battery installed, ensure transfer switch fitted to allow Critical Loads output to feed Consumer Unit. 5) Generator Transfer Switch and 3kw Inverter generator. The switch can be incorporated into the Solar Battery to allow Battery as first source and switch to Generator if batteries are low. Generator and Switch is all that's required if no Solar. 6) Dried Food - noodles, rice and pasta 7) water - mains water likely to fail if supply treatment works looses power. Also the water passing through has the potential to be untreated. Plan to keep families in one property to conserve LPG. Putin is going to do his upmost to make us, especially the UK suffer this Winter. Government has been distracted all Summer and further distracted with a State Funeral and a Coronation taking us right to the door step of Autumn and Winter. A few preparations now might nake a massive difference. | |||
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"Not viable to transmit the energy from Scotland to London. The Grid is balanced. Losses are considerable over this distance, therefore used locally. Furthest South Offshore Scottish Wind gets is the North Wales Interconnector unless I'm mistaken." Isn't Norway father from the UK than from Scotland to London ? | |||
"I know bringing up Brexit triggers those few surviving hardliners but the FT have an article saying that because of Brexit - Hundreds of millions of pounds are being added to UK energy bills because of the failure to implement a trade deal with the EU that would allow efficient movement of power via subsea cables. Yet more “winning”! Historically our bills were lower according to the FT . It looks like we had already won a long time ago . After months of feverish debate about soaring energy bills, no one could blame the average Briton for thinking the cost of switching on a light is extraordinarily high in the UK. Best not try telling that to a German, Dane or Irish family, however, because for all the talk of greedy power giants and rising green taxes, the UK actually has far lower energy bills than much of western Europe. A typical household’s annual electricity bill in Berlin, Copenhagen or Dublin this year was at least 34 per cent higher than one in London, according to the Finnish energy consultancy VaasaETT, which has done monthly EU household energy comparisons for the past four years that show UK bills are regularly among the lowest. Parisians’ electricity bills were 3 per cent lower in 2013, but they typically paid 10 per cent more for gas than Londoners. In Rome, gas bills were 34 per cent above those in London, while in Copenhagen they were 28 per cent higher. Britons also spend a smaller percentage of their income on electricity and gas than many other western EU states, and have seen smaller price rises than elsewhere, according to VaasaETT. Compared with the EU-wide average, moreover, household electricity and gas prices have been lower in Britain every year since 2007, figures from Eurostat, the EU statistics body, show. “If you put the UK into a wider EU context, energy prices are not especially high and they are not increasing especially fast,” said Christophe Dromacque, VaasaETT’s head of research. The UK’s relatively liberal energy market may be one reason why the political attacks on utilities have been so fierce compared with other countries that have higher bills. When prices are partly set by governments, politicians are less likely to criticise them. “In the UK, the price of energy is set by the utilities only, so it’s easy to attack them,” said Mr Dromacque. He notes that when British energy companies do raise their prices, they do not shy away from the thudding increases many announced in October, some of which were as high as 10 per cent. Other EU power companies impose more gradual increases, he said, though the end result is that prices outside the UK have risen by the same amount or more. The reasons for the European trend of rising energy prices vary from state to state, but in many countries governments have loaded surcharges on to energy bills to fund the modernisation of their power networks and provide renewable energy such as wind farms. “There is no doubt that rising government taxes account for a large share of higher electricity bills,” said Giuseppe Lorubio, head of the retail customers’ unit at Eurelectric, the electricity industry association. Wait a minute! What have you done with Pat? Has Mr Hay’s profile been hacked? Where is the satire? Where is the comedy gold we have gotten used to and the unfailing blind loyalty to the Cult of (scrub out previous tory leader and replace with new one - which happens a lot, 4 in 6 years). Credit where it is due, this info is worth looking into and ensuring it is viewed in the wider context of income, taxes, general cost of living etc over same time periods." . Not my post as I nave better ghings so to tith my spare time | |||
"Not viable to transmit the energy from Scotland to London. The Grid is balanced. Losses are considerable over this distance, therefore used locally. Furthest South Offshore Scottish Wind gets is the North Wales Interconnector unless I'm mistaken." Lincolnshire has The Viking Link electricity cable, connecting us with South Jutland in Denmark. It stretches for some 475 miles | |||
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"Not viable to transmit the energy from Scotland to London. The Grid is balanced. Losses are considerable over this distance, therefore used locally. Furthest South Offshore Scottish Wind gets is the North Wales Interconnector unless I'm mistaken. Lincolnshire has The Viking Link electricity cable, connecting us with South Jutland in Denmark. It stretches for some 475 miles " https://www.powermag.com/benefits-of-high-voltage-direct-current-transmission-systems/ Intercontinental cables tend to be DC, offshore wind AC of which due to harmonics, long distances are an issue. | |||
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"I know bringing up Brexit triggers those few surviving hardliners but the FT have an article saying that because of Brexit - Hundreds of millions of pounds are being added to UK energy bills because of the failure to implement a trade deal with the EU that would allow efficient movement of power via subsea cables. Yet more “winning”! Historically our bills were lower according to the FT . It looks like we had already won a long time ago . After months of feverish debate about soaring energy bills, no one could blame the average Briton for thinking the cost of switching on a light is extraordinarily high in the UK. Best not try telling that to a German, Dane or Irish family, however, because for all the talk of greedy power giants and rising green taxes, the UK actually has far lower energy bills than much of western Europe. A typical household’s annual electricity bill in Berlin, Copenhagen or Dublin this year was at least 34 per cent higher than one in London, according to the Finnish energy consultancy VaasaETT, which has done monthly EU household energy comparisons for the past four years that show UK bills are regularly among the lowest. Parisians’ electricity bills were 3 per cent lower in 2013, but they typically paid 10 per cent more for gas than Londoners. In Rome, gas bills were 34 per cent above those in London, while in Copenhagen they were 28 per cent higher. Britons also spend a smaller percentage of their income on electricity and gas than many other western EU states, and have seen smaller price rises than elsewhere, according to VaasaETT. Compared with the EU-wide average, moreover, household electricity and gas prices have been lower in Britain every year since 2007, figures from Eurostat, the EU statistics body, show. “If you put the UK into a wider EU context, energy prices are not especially high and they are not increasing especially fast,” said Christophe Dromacque, VaasaETT’s head of research. The UK’s relatively liberal energy market may be one reason why the political attacks on utilities have been so fierce compared with other countries that have higher bills. When prices are partly set by governments, politicians are less likely to criticise them. “In the UK, the price of energy is set by the utilities only, so it’s easy to attack them,” said Mr Dromacque. He notes that when British energy companies do raise their prices, they do not shy away from the thudding increases many announced in October, some of which were as high as 10 per cent. Other EU power companies impose more gradual increases, he said, though the end result is that prices outside the UK have risen by the same amount or more. The reasons for the European trend of rising energy prices vary from state to state, but in many countries governments have loaded surcharges on to energy bills to fund the modernisation of their power networks and provide renewable energy such as wind farms. “There is no doubt that rising government taxes account for a large share of higher electricity bills,” said Giuseppe Lorubio, head of the retail customers’ unit at Eurelectric, the electricity industry association. Wait a minute! What have you done with Pat? Has Mr Hay’s profile been hacked? Where is the satire? Where is the comedy gold we have gotten used to and the unfailing blind loyalty to the Cult of (scrub out previous tory leader and replace with new one - which happens a lot, 4 in 6 years). Credit where it is due, this info is worth looking into and ensuring it is viewed in the wider context of income, taxes, general cost of living etc over same time periods." 2013 article it seems. But useful for some things to Google. VaasaETT compile monthly stats now August 2022 has London as having the highest residential electricity price, and second highest on a purchasing power measure. Gas we are broadly in line with average. Seems ten years has changed the picture somewhat. | |||
