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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well |
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Ridiculous, how are they going to enforce it?
Just like the electric scooters that are illegal but are absolutely everywhere yet never get stopped by the invisible police who are nowhere to be seen.
Just another way to tax a zero emissions mode of transport.
Lot's of cyclist's have cover,I had coverage from triathlon England included with my subscription.
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Ridiculous, how are they going to enforce it?
Just like the electric scooters that are illegal but are absolutely everywhere yet never get stopped by the invisible police who are nowhere to be seen.
Just another way to tax a zero emissions mode of transport.
Lot's of cyclist's have cover,I had coverage from triathlon England included with my subscription.
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I largely agree with you, as chatting to a copper who said they don't enforce the highway code on cyclists, as in riding on pavements.
Which makes things worse imho as like your self, having insurance and doing things properly. Then you have escooters and twats on pavements spoiling it for the genuine cyclists |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well"
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed. |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed. "
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked  |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked "
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked "
I think dog owners should have to have a licence. They used to!
And as a responsible dog owner I do have insurance. It costs more than the cars and house combined! Covers vet bills etc but also £2m public liability. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You can bring out all the laws you want but if there are no police to enforce it, it means diddy squat.
In my younger days, I was a bit of a boy racer. I was constantly getting pulled over and nearly got disqualified for accruing points for speeding. Nowadays I drive at slightly over the speed limit and the majority of traffic overtakes me.
Talking about bikes not only do the police turn a blind eye, ive seen police on bikes riding on pavements. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bikes, good or bad, they need regulating. They have no tax and insurance, there is no road worthiness tests, no cyclist testing.
Many cyclist complain about no cycle paths, well if they want them, they better fund them also.
There should be fines for cyclists not wearing safety gear also.
They want the right to use the roads then they should pay for the privilege. Just like everyone else. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked "
As a dog owner actually read what you said, agreed as they should bring back the dog licence and legislation on breeders etc. BUT there are similarities to your post, a minority make it a problem for the rest. Even just this afternoon I seen a couple of cyclist lost so ridden over a golf course... think the golfers called target practice ?? ?? |
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Lol, yeh let's join North Korea as the only other country daft enough to do this. Fuck the cost of living crisis, let's throw some red meat to our rabid supporters as a distraction. Useless numpties  |
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"Bikes, good or bad, they need regulating. They have no tax and insurance, there is no road worthiness tests, no cyclist testing.
Many cyclist complain about no cycle paths, well if they want them, they better fund them also.
There should be fines for cyclists not wearing safety gear also.
They want the right to use the roads then they should pay for the privilege. Just like everyone else."
We do pay. Why don’t you buy a bike and join us? |
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Not sure it’s really going to attract people out of their cars. But even as a VERY keen cyclist, car driver and motorcyclist I am appalled by both cyclist jumping red lights and car/ motorcyclists passing cyclists at speed within inches!
I guess arseholes will be arseholes regardless of transport medium - and don’t get me started on electric segways.  |
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"They want the right to use the roads then they should pay for the privilege. Just like everyone else."
They do.
Main roads are paid for out of general taxation. Local roads are funded from the council tax. We all pay for roads, whether we use them or not. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well"
Children's trikes ?
What about horses ?
Maybe those idiots jogging in shell suits should have identification tags and insurance
Bicycles are not mechanically propelled and the proposed shite used as clickbait will never happen and quite rightly so. |
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over a year ago
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked "
Dogs are supposed to have a licence and a chip and a collar with identification |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it."
Do you have a figure for how many people have been killed or injured by cyclists? How does it compare with people killed or injured by dogs? How does it compare with people killed or injured by motorists? It’s another load of BS from that grubby little con artist Grant Shapps sucking up to curry favour with whoever the next PM is!
BTW I don’t approve of cyclists behaving badly as I am one myself but having been overtaken by a van driver this morning who promptly turned left in front of me (actually an offence according to the Highway Code) I don’t have a lot of sympathy for this kind of nonsense! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked Dogs are supposed to have a licence and a chip and a collar with identification "
Chip yes. Licence no. Not anymore for quite some years! |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
Grant schapps
How did his stand over P&O ferries work out ?
Complete asshole
How many of the anti cycling brigade bought their kids bikes as Christmas/birthday presents ?
I don't think they're anti cycling as such, just old and overweight and jealous of people that can still wear lycra and pedal a bike uphill lol |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Grant schapps
How did his stand over P&O ferries work out ?
Complete asshole
How many of the anti cycling brigade bought their kids bikes as Christmas/birthday presents ?
I don't think they're anti cycling as such, just old and overweight and jealous of people that can still wear lycra and pedal a bike uphill lol"
Just because someone is wearing Lycra don’t meant it’s a good look 
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Grant schapps
How did his stand over P&O ferries work out ?
Complete asshole
How many of the anti cycling brigade bought their kids bikes as Christmas/birthday presents ?
I don't think they're anti cycling as such, just old and overweight and jealous of people that can still wear lycra and pedal a bike uphill lol"
I doubt many people are actually “anti-cycling” just more “anti-asshole” and that can equally apply to asshole car drivers and asshole cyclists.
Chances are if you are an asshole on one mode of transport, then you are probably an asshole in another! |
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"Grant schapps
How did his stand over P&O ferries work out ?
Complete asshole
How many of the anti cycling brigade bought their kids bikes as Christmas/birthday presents ?
I don't think they're anti cycling as such, just old and overweight and jealous of people that can still wear lycra and pedal a bike uphill lol
I doubt many people are actually “anti-cycling” just more “anti-asshole” and that can equally apply to asshole car drivers and asshole cyclists.
Chances are if you are an asshole on one mode of transport, then you are probably an asshole in another!"
So true  |
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"Grant schapps
How did his stand over P&O ferries work out ?
Complete asshole
How many of the anti cycling brigade bought their kids bikes as Christmas/birthday presents ?
I don't think they're anti cycling as such, just old and overweight and jealous of people that can still wear lycra and pedal a bike uphill lol
I doubt many people are actually “anti-cycling” just more “anti-asshole” and that can equally apply to asshole car drivers and asshole cyclists.
Chances are if you are an asshole on one mode of transport, then you are probably an asshole in another!
So true "
True indeed. I seem to encounter some people that really shouldn’t leave the house. They walk along in a daze, another world, particularly on shared cycle paths. Two people together, ring the bell, they either don’t hear or just ignore you, worst though, they panic and in a fluster change places but continue to block the fucking path. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Grant schapps
How did his stand over P&O ferries work out ?
Complete asshole
How many of the anti cycling brigade bought their kids bikes as Christmas/birthday presents ?
I don't think they're anti cycling as such, just old and overweight and jealous of people that can still wear lycra and pedal a bike uphill lol
I doubt many people are actually “anti-cycling” just more “anti-asshole” and that can equally apply to asshole car drivers and asshole cyclists.
Chances are if you are an asshole on one mode of transport, then you are probably an asshole in another!
So true
True indeed. I seem to encounter some people that really shouldn’t leave the house. They walk along in a daze, another world, particularly on shared cycle paths. Two people together, ring the bell, they either don’t hear or just ignore you, worst though, they panic and in a fluster change places but continue to block the fucking path. "
Yep people are dicks! Someone on here was talking about seeing a woman driving a car while she was blow drying her hair!!!!!! |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
Perhaos we should adopt a car registration system where the number plate is registered to a person and the name and address of the registration is available over the internet.
I'd say that would end road rage. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
I think cyclists should have insurance. The amount of times I have seen cyclists clip, or hit pedestrians because they seem hellbent on cutting through traffic or jumping lights, and ride off as though it is part of the experience. What are the laws if a cyclist hits a pedestrian, can they be prosecuted? I know the idiot who killed a woman was jailed, is that common practice or was it a one off?
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it.
Do you have a figure for how many people have been killed or injured by cyclists? How does it compare with people killed or injured by dogs? How does it compare with people killed or injured by motorists? It’s another load of BS from that grubby little con artist Grant Shapps sucking up to curry favour with whoever the next PM is!
BTW I don’t approve of cyclists behaving badly as I am one myself but having been overtaken by a van driver this morning who promptly turned left in front of me (actually an offence according to the Highway Code) I don’t have a lot of sympathy for this kind of nonsense!"
For 2020 there are 4 recorded deaths of people being killed by a cyclist. Can't find how many injured though.
Part of the problem is people shutting there eyes with their fingers in their ears and just not willing to admit something needs to be done by an increasing menace. |
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"and just who is going to police bikes the police have more than enough today without bikes"
I've seen the Met police this in East London before the pandemic.
They set up a traffic stop targeting cyclists for speeding, unroad worthy bicycles and erratic riding. Got quite a few for jumping red lights as well.
Absolutely made my day seeing the cyclists being stopped. |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it.
Do you have a figure for how many people have been killed or injured by cyclists? How does it compare with people killed or injured by dogs? How does it compare with people killed or injured by motorists? It’s another load of BS from that grubby little con artist Grant Shapps sucking up to curry favour with whoever the next PM is!
BTW I don’t approve of cyclists behaving badly as I am one myself but having been overtaken by a van driver this morning who promptly turned left in front of me (actually an offence according to the Highway Code) I don’t have a lot of sympathy for this kind of nonsense!
For 2020 there are 4 recorded deaths of people being killed by a cyclist. Can't find how many injured though.
Part of the problem is people shutting there eyes with their fingers in their ears and just not willing to admit something needs to be done by an increasing menace. "
Six people were stabbed to death in London last week and the mayor blamed it on the hot weather. A large gang of youths rampaged and looted down Oxford street last Friday, the police were fucking useless. Something needs to be done about that before we pick on cyclists. |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it.
Do you have a figure for how many people have been killed or injured by cyclists? How does it compare with people killed or injured by dogs? How does it compare with people killed or injured by motorists? It’s another load of BS from that grubby little con artist Grant Shapps sucking up to curry favour with whoever the next PM is!
BTW I don’t approve of cyclists behaving badly as I am one myself but having been overtaken by a van driver this morning who promptly turned left in front of me (actually an offence according to the Highway Code) I don’t have a lot of sympathy for this kind of nonsense!
For 2020 there are 4 recorded deaths of people being killed by a cyclist. Can't find how many injured though.
Part of the problem is people shutting there eyes with their fingers in their ears and just not willing to admit something needs to be done by an increasing menace.
Six people were stabbed to death in London last week and the mayor blamed it on the hot weather. A large gang of youths rampaged and looted down Oxford street last Friday, the police were fucking useless. Something needs to be done about that before we pick on cyclists."
Yes and the Mayor is a useless idiot. It's his job to do sometime about it but he won't. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it.
Do you have a figure for how many people have been killed or injured by cyclists? How does it compare with people killed or injured by dogs? How does it compare with people killed or injured by motorists? It’s another load of BS from that grubby little con artist Grant Shapps sucking up to curry favour with whoever the next PM is!
BTW I don’t approve of cyclists behaving badly as I am one myself but having been overtaken by a van driver this morning who promptly turned left in front of me (actually an offence according to the Highway Code) I don’t have a lot of sympathy for this kind of nonsense!
For 2020 there are 4 recorded deaths of people being killed by a cyclist. Can't find how many injured though.
Part of the problem is people shutting there eyes with their fingers in their ears and just not willing to admit something needs to be done by an increasing menace. "
I wonder what percentage 4 is of 650000000 ?
Don't forget the government would need to employ another 2-3000 civil servants to handle the licensing and registration |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked
You go and tell the families of the people killed or injured by cyclists and see how they fell about it.
Do you have a figure for how many people have been killed or injured by cyclists? How does it compare with people killed or injured by dogs? How does it compare with people killed or injured by motorists? It’s another load of BS from that grubby little con artist Grant Shapps sucking up to curry favour with whoever the next PM is!
BTW I don’t approve of cyclists behaving badly as I am one myself but having been overtaken by a van driver this morning who promptly turned left in front of me (actually an offence according to the Highway Code) I don’t have a lot of sympathy for this kind of nonsense!
For 2020 there are 4 recorded deaths of people being killed by a cyclist. Can't find how many injured though.
Part of the problem is people shutting there eyes with their fingers in their ears and just not willing to admit something needs to be done by an increasing menace.
I wonder what percentage 4 is of 650000000 ?
Don't forget the government would need to employ another 2-3000 civil servants to handle the licensing and registration "
In 2020 we were in a pandemic who the hell was even outside?, great stat pulling, try again. |
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"Ridiculous, how are they going to enforce it?
Just like the electric scooters that are illegal but are absolutely everywhere yet never get stopped by the invisible police who are nowhere to be seen.
Just another way to tax a zero emissions mode of transport.
Lot's of cyclist's have cover,I had coverage from triathlon England included with my subscription.
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The police have already said they don't have the time or manpower to deal with illegal escooters, not quite sure where they will get the time to deal with cyclists now as well.
You can get it from the BCF, RTTC, CTC, and your home indurance. |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed. "
Expect us to get worse.
I for one will relish riding at 18 mph, in a 20 mph zone. Of course I will block the carriageway, as I now am more entitled than before needing to have a number plate and insurance.
As for riding 2 up in roads, that will haplen more often as well.
There are over a million vehicles on the road that din't have insurance in place, the fuckwits in power want to add to that number. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This has stealth tax written all over it.
Seriously, there should not be so much legislation to use a damn push bike!
Don't let let the scum in Whitehall use your frustrations over cyclists on the roads bring this about. |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
The quicker this happens the better.
Cyclists are a menace on the roads and it needs to be addressed.
How would you feel if all dog owners had to have a licence and insurance?
More people are killed and injured by dogs than cyclists so it seems a worthwhile comparison given the government thinking (laughable concept though that is!)
BTW every time either of these concepts has been looked at in the past it has been shown that it would cost more to administer than the money it would raise in taxes and then you have the question of insurance of children….it’s a load of old wank because the candidates for pm have no clue how to get us out of the shit we are in (other than to trot out any batty old ideas they have already had to kick out!) because they know they are fucked "
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This is how things work in The Netherlands, it means the motor vehicle user is liable for financial damage, unless that driver can prove the incident was caused by circumstances beyond his/her control. That will be hard, because the driver must then prove he/she drove flawless, or that his/her mistake was not the cause of the incident. If the mistake leading to the incident was made by the non-motorised road user, that mistake has to be so unlikely, that a motor vehicle user could not reasonably have considered it to happen. Failing to give way or jumping a red light (deliberately or by mistake) are not such unlikely events, they happen regularly, so drivers are not granted ‘circumstances beyond control’ very often.
Besides ‘circumstances beyond control’ the driver can also argue the non-motorised road user was at fault. This is only possible for road users from the age of 14. If that road user was indeed at fault, the driver is still liable for 50% of the damage. Dutch law makers considered this to be reasonable, because the non-motorised road user usually suffers more and more severe damage. That warrants this extra legal protection. A protection that is lost when it can be proved the non-motorised road user caused the damage on purpose, or his/her behaviour was so careless, that it can be seen as “recklessness verging on intent”.
Children under the age of 14 are always protected. Even if they were at fault, because they cannot be held fully accountable for their actions yet. With one exception: in case of intent, similar to that of people of 14 years or older, then the parents or legal guardians are liable for the damage.
If there is ‘fault’ on the part of the non-motorised road user, a judge will have to consider in how far the different parties in the incident did contribute to the damage (share in fault), and also if there are specific circumstances that should in all reasonability have significance to the determination of the share in fault (correcting for reasonability). There are no objective rules for the former. A judge will take a ‘perfect road user’ as a yard stick and see in how far the parties involved can be considered to be such a ‘perfect road user’ in the particular incident. For the latter, the severity of the damage to the non-motorised road user is very important. The larger that damage (especially injuries) the more likely the liability will shift to the driver. Whether the non-motorised road user is insured for the sustained damage/injuries will also be taken into consideration. If a judge considers it reasonable, the liability for the driver may be increased from the minimum of 50% to a higher percentage, sometimes even to the full 100%. The fact that the onus is on the driver, is because the driver is the one who voluntarily used a vehicle of which it is widely known that it may cause severe damage to other road users, who are not protected in a vehicle.
All in all it is safe to say that ‘Strict Liability’ does in a way protect cyclists and pedestrians, but it tries to be a fair answer to the inequity in the consequences of a crash. The driver must compensate the heavier burden a more vulnerable road user suffers, because of that driver’s decision to take part in traffic in a dangerous vehicle. But the law does consider the boundaries of reasonability for both driver and cyclist/pedestrian. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"This is how things work in The Netherlands, it means the motor vehicle user is liable for financial damage, unless that driver can prove the incident was caused by circumstances beyond his/her control. That will be hard, because the driver must then prove he/she drove flawless, or that his/her mistake was not the cause of the incident. If the mistake leading to the incident was made by the non-motorised road user, that mistake has to be so unlikely, that a motor vehicle user could not reasonably have considered it to happen. Failing to give way or jumping a red light (deliberately or by mistake) are not such unlikely events, they happen regularly, so drivers are not granted ‘circumstances beyond control’ very often.
Besides ‘circumstances beyond control’ the driver can also argue the non-motorised road user was at fault. This is only possible for road users from the age of 14. If that road user was indeed at fault, the driver is still liable for 50% of the damage. Dutch law makers considered this to be reasonable, because the non-motorised road user usually suffers more and more severe damage. That warrants this extra legal protection. A protection that is lost when it can be proved the non-motorised road user caused the damage on purpose, or his/her behaviour was so careless, that it can be seen as “recklessness verging on intent”.
Children under the age of 14 are always protected. Even if they were at fault, because they cannot be held fully accountable for their actions yet. With one exception: in case of intent, similar to that of people of 14 years or older, then the parents or legal guardians are liable for the damage.
If there is ‘fault’ on the part of the non-motorised road user, a judge will have to consider in how far the different parties in the incident did contribute to the damage (share in fault), and also if there are specific circumstances that should in all reasonability have significance to the determination of the share in fault (correcting for reasonability). There are no objective rules for the former. A judge will take a ‘perfect road user’ as a yard stick and see in how far the parties involved can be considered to be such a ‘perfect road user’ in the particular incident. For the latter, the severity of the damage to the non-motorised road user is very important. The larger that damage (especially injuries) the more likely the liability will shift to the driver. Whether the non-motorised road user is insured for the sustained damage/injuries will also be taken into consideration. If a judge considers it reasonable, the liability for the driver may be increased from the minimum of 50% to a higher percentage, sometimes even to the full 100%. The fact that the onus is on the driver, is because the driver is the one who voluntarily used a vehicle of which it is widely known that it may cause severe damage to other road users, who are not protected in a vehicle.
All in all it is safe to say that ‘Strict Liability’ does in a way protect cyclists and pedestrians, but it tries to be a fair answer to the inequity in the consequences of a crash. The driver must compensate the heavier burden a more vulnerable road user suffers, because of that driver’s decision to take part in traffic in a dangerous vehicle. But the law does consider the boundaries of reasonability for both driver and cyclist/pedestrian."
Wow so that seems to say cyclists can be dicks because the car driver should always assume they might be dicks and compensate for it by their own behaviour.
Personally I think all vehicles should be fitted with cameras that also record speed. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Perhaos we should adopt a car registration system where the number plate is registered to a person and the name and address of the registration is available over the internet.
I'd say that would end road rage."
Yes the car thieves would love that all those high end cars and the addresses where they can be found |
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Wow so that seems to say cyclists can be dicks because the car driver should always assume they might be dicks and compensate for it by their own behaviour.
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Yes, I lived in the Netherlands for several years and that is exactly how it works.
There is a whole cottage industry of exaggerated claims.
The worst thing I saw was 4 youths riding 4 abreast on the wrong side of the road into the oncoming traffic.
In theory ideas like 'strict liability' are a solution. In practice they are ruthlessly exploit by those with a dishonest mindset. |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well"
How are kids supposed to get insurance to cycle about?
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
How are kids supposed to get insurance to cycle about?
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Riding under their parents I guess, don't forget kids are not allowed on pavements riding bikes etc |
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"In various media this morning, government are looking to bring legislation of cycling to have insurance and number plate.
I personally agree, as all modes of transport should have insurance and if its mechanical, an m.o.t as well
How are kids supposed to get insurance to cycle about?
Riding under their parents I guess, don't forget kids are not allowed on pavements riding bikes etc "
No one should be cycling on the pavement.
I'm not sure the cycling tax is a good idea to be honest. Surely we want to encourage people to cycle instead of drive. |
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