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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
Of course I am, but I read how a group that is called wont pay uk have been formed cos of the high energy bills and the living crisis. I havent looked into it so much, apparently a growing number of individuals are thinking of refusing to pay their energy bills as a form of protest, they are demanding a reduction of bills to an affordable level, which is understandable. I think that it is a good idea, what do you think of the group?  |
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"Of course I am, but I read how a group that is called wont pay uk have been formed cos of the high energy bills and the living crisis. I havent looked into it so much, apparently a growing number of individuals are thinking of refusing to pay their energy bills as a form of protest, they are demanding a reduction of bills to an affordable level, which is understandable. I think that it is a good idea, what do you think of the group? "
Good luck with that. Should get cut off just in time for winter |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"The more the merrier. The energy companies are registering record profits and the government is refusing to redistribute the accrued wealth. Something has to be done about it."
Yes, the more the better, we are stronger in numbers, yes they do make alot of profit dont they. I actually wonder if there really are an actual crisis, or a made up one in order to make more profit?
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"The more the merrier. The energy companies are registering record profits and the government is refusing to redistribute the accrued wealth. Something has to be done about it.Yes, the more the better, we are stronger in numbers, yes they do make alot of profit dont they. I actually wonder if there really are an actual crisis, or a made up one in order to make more profit?"
There is, but it is definitely being made far worse by profiteering cunts in big business. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It will only work if everyone in the country did it together. Otherwise you will just have a few plunged into debt, cut off and have a black mark on their credit rating. We all need to do more to stand our ground, this world where the rich just get richer needs to be challenged. |
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"It will only work if everyone in the country did it together. Otherwise you will just have a few plunged into debt, cut off and have a black mark on their credit rating. We all need to do more to stand our ground, this world where the rich just get richer needs to be challenged. "
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This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“ |
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Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything |
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"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“"
Sounds like good advice |
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything "
You sir, are part of the problem |
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over a year ago
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything "
I don't even know where to start with this one. It's apparent from the way you talk who you vote for so what I say will probably fall on deaf ears.
There is always a crisis to blame the current situations on but the the blame never seems to lay at the door of those making the decisions. It's never the government who knew these situations were coming needed to plan, it's always the working man that is at fault.
It's nothing to do with poorly planning for hard times. We live in a country where people's wages are so low they are just about scrapping by. They don't have the means to save each month for a rainy day and most are living pay check to pay check. This is not their fault, it's the companies where the highest paid don't value the people that are making their world turn. This has been slowly happening under everyone's noses for years and now people are starting to see the light.
People need to stop listening to propaganda. Stop pointing the fingers at each other and start pointing them at the people who are actually making our lives hard. |
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything
I don't even know where to start with this one. It's apparent from the way you talk who you vote for so what I say will probably fall on deaf ears.
There is always a crisis to blame the current situations on but the the blame never seems to lay at the door of those making the decisions. It's never the government who knew these situations were coming needed to plan, it's always the working man that is at fault.
It's nothing to do with poorly planning for hard times. We live in a country where people's wages are so low they are just about scrapping by. They don't have the means to save each month for a rainy day and most are living pay check to pay check. This is not their fault, it's the companies where the highest paid don't value the people that are making their world turn. This has been slowly happening under everyone's noses for years and now people are starting to see the light.
People need to stop listening to propaganda. Stop pointing the fingers at each other and start pointing them at the people who are actually making our lives hard. "
Well said HWS |
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We're living in a country,where politicians ain't taking the issue seriously..Some of my friends are on 9k-12k a year,going by the forecast of roses they said nearly 50% of their wages will be going on energy 
Once winter hits people won't only have to choose between heating & eating..Will have to choose between paying rent or not..All this shouldn't be happening. |
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"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“"
In other words, shaft those who pay their bills even more |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything "
That is not so. Low wages haven’t happened since covid or Ukraine. They have been declining since the Conservatives came into power 12 years ago. 12 years to get it right - and yet they have got it so wrong. Covid and war are simply excuses and propaganda that once upon a time people may have believed, but not now.
This government has wasted millions, they ‘find’ money when they want to and they are neglecting people in their hour of need all whilst lining their own pockets and that of their mates. They are absent at this point just waiting for a new PM to do what he/she thinks is right. They are paid to govern not caretake. |
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And what about people on prepayment meters and they have been paying over the odds for years ?? and not forgetting the massive hikes in standing charges ? nearly 90% rise here in the south west and seeing most of the big power companies aren't even owned by UK companies ?? does anyone think they care ?? and any Government help will just end up in their pockets anyway ?? and it's disaster capitalism it's finest as in impoverish the 90% for the the 10% and been going on in this country for 12 odd years and no one gave a damn ...but soon run out of poor people to rip off and punish and then ....like that old 2nd world war graffiti ...1st they came for ...and i didn't speak out because....and NOW they've come for me and ....???? and just think we gave one of the big boys a quite massive tax rebate only a shortwhile ago as well ?? and they have so many tax loop holes etc etc bit like playing that kids game whack a mole ?? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"It will only work if everyone in the country did it together. Otherwise you will just have a few plunged into debt, cut off and have a black mark on their credit rating. We all need to do more to stand our ground, this world where the rich just get richer needs to be challenged. "
Yes, you are right there too  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“"
THIS is what you do. Not simply outright refusal to pay. Stay just on the right side of legal. |
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"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“
THIS is what you do. Not simply outright refusal to pay. Stay just on the right side of legal."
Who do you think ends up paying for all the extra admin? Us |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't just not pay your bill. It is wrong how high prices are but you'll be harming yourself more in the long run.
Better to cancel direct debit and keep a close eye on your usage. Also raise a complaint and also at the ombudsmen as a previous post suggested. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“
THIS is what you do. Not simply outright refusal to pay. Stay just on the right side of legal.
Who do you think ends up paying for all the extra admin? Us "
Ultimately yes through higher bills but over a period that might allow people to manage their short term cashflow issues. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything
I don't even know where to start with this one. It's apparent from the way you talk who you vote for so what I say will probably fall on deaf ears.
There is always a crisis to blame the current situations on but the the blame never seems to lay at the door of those making the decisions. It's never the government who knew these situations were coming needed to plan, it's always the working man that is at fault.
It's nothing to do with poorly planning for hard times. We live in a country where people's wages are so low they are just about scrapping by. They don't have the means to save each month for a rainy day and most are living pay check to pay check. This is not their fault, it's the companies where the highest paid don't value the people that are making their world turn. This has been slowly happening under everyone's noses for years and now people are starting to see the light.
People need to stop listening to propaganda. Stop pointing the fingers at each other and start pointing them at the people who are actually making our lives hard. "
Who should the finger be pointed at first and why? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything
That is not so. Low wages haven’t happened since covid or Ukraine. They have been declining since the Conservatives came into power 12 years ago. 12 years to get it right - and yet they have got it so wrong. Covid and war are simply excuses and propaganda that once upon a time people may have believed, but not now.
This government has wasted millions, they ‘find’ money when they want to and they are neglecting people in their hour of need all whilst lining their own pockets and that of their mates. They are absent at this point just waiting for a new PM to do what he/she thinks is right. They are paid to govern not caretake. "
Yes and isnt is so also, that the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything
I don't even know where to start with this one. It's apparent from the way you talk who you vote for so what I say will probably fall on deaf ears.
There is always a crisis to blame the current situations on but the the blame never seems to lay at the door of those making the decisions. It's never the government who knew these situations were coming needed to plan, it's always the working man that is at fault.
It's nothing to do with poorly planning for hard times. We live in a country where people's wages are so low they are just about scrapping by. They don't have the means to save each month for a rainy day and most are living pay check to pay check. This is not their fault, it's the companies where the highest paid don't value the people that are making their world turn. This has been slowly happening under everyone's noses for years and now people are starting to see the light.
People need to stop listening to propaganda. Stop pointing the fingers at each other and start pointing them at the people who are actually making our lives hard.
Who should the finger be pointed at first and why?"
1. Energy Traders in the City = war profiteering.
2. Oil and Gas producers = war profiteering.
3. Politicians = lack of planning for energy independence and slow reaction to an obvious crisis months in the making.
How’s that for starters? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything
I don't even know where to start with this one. It's apparent from the way you talk who you vote for so what I say will probably fall on deaf ears.
There is always a crisis to blame the current situations on but the the blame never seems to lay at the door of those making the decisions. It's never the government who knew these situations were coming needed to plan, it's always the working man that is at fault.
It's nothing to do with poorly planning for hard times. We live in a country where people's wages are so low they are just about scrapping by. They don't have the means to save each month for a rainy day and most are living pay check to pay check. This is not their fault, it's the companies where the highest paid don't value the people that are making their world turn. This has been slowly happening under everyone's noses for years and now people are starting to see the light.
People need to stop listening to propaganda. Stop pointing the fingers at each other and start pointing them at the people who are actually making our lives hard.
Who should the finger be pointed at first and why?
1. Energy Traders in the City = war profiteering.
2. Oil and Gas producers = war profiteering.
3. Politicians = lack of planning for energy independence and slow reaction to an obvious crisis months in the making.
How’s that for starters?"
I would certainly say 2 should be first for the pointy finger.
That also opens up the rest of businesses that rip people off due to demand, holidays companies who inflate prices during school breaks, is an example. It is not on a level of the oil companies but they play by the same rules, they add a smile and a jingle while they do it. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“
Sounds like good advice"
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"The more the merrier. The energy companies are registering record profits and the government is refusing to redistribute the accrued wealth. Something has to be done about it.Yes, the more the better, we are stronger in numbers, yes they do make alot of profit dont they. I actually wonder if there really are an actual crisis, or a made up one in order to make more profit?
There is, but it is definitely being made far worse by profiteering cunts in big business."
Yes, they could of done it in a better way too |
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"This is taken from something a friend shared, I’ve no idea if it’s accurate or not but might be worth doing your homework into if you’re interested:
“DO NOT refuse to pay your energy bill in October. Below is how you can make a stand and hurt your energy supplier without getting into debt/damaging your credit rating:
1. Cancel your DD & pay for what you use each month.
2. You then need to write a letter of complaint to your energy supplier. Once that complaint had been raised, your energy supplier can't take any debt collection work on your account, so they can't pass your details to the credit reference agencies etc. That bill gets put on hold whilst they try to resolve your complaint.
The energy company might offer you a small reduction - DON'T accept it. Keep the complaint open & hold strong.
3. Eventually, they will send you a letter of 'Deadlock'. A letter of Deadlock is a letter that is sent to you from your energy company saying they gone as far as they can with your complaint & can't go any further, so your only option now is to take it up with the energy Ombudsman.
For every complaint the Ombudsman receives, they charge your energy supplier £500 for every claim they have to investigate.
4. The energy companies also have limitations on how many complaints they're allowed open as well as a turnaround time of how fast they have to respond to a complaint & get a complaint closed. If they don't respond to them fast enough & don't resolve the complaints or they have too many complaints open, the energy firm will also get hit with a fine from the Ombudsman.
This is how your hurt an energy company. This will also put them in breach of their licensing conditions
& put their ability to trade at risk.
So if you want to fight these extortionate price hikes
1. Raise complaints
2. Do NOT close them
3. Take them to the Ombudsman
You can also submit a “subject access request” at the same time as the above. This means the energy company has a legal obligation to provide you with every piece of information they have on you; including telephone conversation transcripts, past bills, everything! This is time consuming for them to collect and is a huge hassle for them however they legally have only one month to comply.“"
Brilliant thank you xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don’t like the concept of not paying bills because they are too high. Can understand the frustration that prices are going to be really high though.
I don’t think Liz truss is going to back down though, which leads everyone in an impossible situation.
So it a case of the people vs the government and considering how bad this government has performed in recent years I don’t think the government will win this argument. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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Must admit.. I have to laugh.
So, the plan is to shove up the operating costs of energy companies by submitting fake complaints and requests for SAR.
There is clauses in SAR requests they can refuse if deemed abusive.
Apart from these additional costs incurred being requestesed as an increase on everyone's bill on the next increase.
Then, when companies go bust, OFGEM reimburse lost account credits that it then added to Standing Charges again, to everyone's bill.
What a friggin Crackpot idea..
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything
I don't even know where to start with this one. It's apparent from the way you talk who you vote for so what I say will probably fall on deaf ears.
There is always a crisis to blame the current situations on but the the blame never seems to lay at the door of those making the decisions. It's never the government who knew these situations were coming needed to plan, it's always the working man that is at fault.
It's nothing to do with poorly planning for hard times. We live in a country where people's wages are so low they are just about scrapping by. They don't have the means to save each month for a rainy day and most are living pay check to pay check. This is not their fault, it's the companies where the highest paid don't value the people that are making their world turn. This has been slowly happening under everyone's noses for years and now people are starting to see the light.
People need to stop listening to propaganda. Stop pointing the fingers at each other and start pointing them at the people who are actually making our lives hard.
Who should the finger be pointed at first and why?
1. Energy Traders in the City = war profiteering.
2. Oil and Gas producers = war profiteering.
3. Politicians = lack of planning for energy independence and slow reaction to an obvious crisis months in the making.
How’s that for starters?"
Back in 2012 when Ed Davey was Secretary of State for Energy he decided not to build new Nuclear power plants saying they wouldn't be ready until 2021.
The Lib Dems have a lot to answer for by the looks of it.! |
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I think it's a good idea. You are saying no to direct debit because you need to control your outgoings, and saying send me the bill in the post and I'll pay it .. the corporations will hate that and will likely lump on an admin fee as punishment. This will need many millions of people to do this to have any effect. I'm afraid such is their huge dominance and cartel that they have society by the balls. Our government department called the monopolies and mergers need an audit to see what they have been doing all these years while massive foreign owned companies operate as a cartel at will under their noses, buying out opposition companies and fixing prices to rake in billions. These corporate giants need broken up. I've been saying it for years with the supermarkets and food. 4 5 huge players and 2 medium sized still massive companies so nobody else can even compete .. this is the extreme end of capitalism which doesn't work and requires checked by legislation. Sadly successive governments of both colours have failed to do this in the UK. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"I think it's a good idea. You are saying no to direct debit because you need to control your outgoings, and saying send me the bill in the post and I'll pay it .. the corporations will hate that and will likely lump on an admin fee as punishment. This will need many millions of people to do this to have any effect. I'm afraid such is their huge dominance and cartel that they have society by the balls. Our government department called the monopolies and mergers need an audit to see what they have been doing all these years while massive foreign owned companies operate as a cartel at will under their noses, buying out opposition companies and fixing prices to rake in billions. These corporate giants need broken up. I've been saying it for years with the supermarkets and food. 4 5 huge players and 2 medium sized still massive companies so nobody else can even compete .. this is the extreme end of capitalism which doesn't work and requires checked by legislation. Sadly successive governments of both colours have failed to do this in the UK. "
Yes, it would need almost all the population if it would work, yes there should be some kind of cap limit, so that they cant get over that which then allows other companies to compete with the top 4 ones there |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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For those who pay by direct debit every month through the app you could always drop the payments down to a £1 pm to this keeping the money in your bank for then they try to take you to court.
I know it’s not a solution but it’s a protest
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"For those who pay by direct debit every month through the app you could always drop the payments down to a £1 pm to this keeping the money in your bank for then they try to take you to court.
I know it’s not a solution but it’s a protest
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Yes, that is a good protest idea too |
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"For those who pay by direct debit every month through the app you could always drop the payments down to a £1 pm to this keeping the money in your bank for then they try to take you to court.
I know it’s not a solution but it’s a protest
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can you do this ? I thought DD allowed the companies to pull the "right" amount. My company only allowed a certain decrease and needed to approve it ?
But looking wider, is this approach hitting the tight companies ? I thought the distribution cos could only make a certain pc of profit. Teh profit is being made by shell and BP. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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It's putting your supplier at risk of going bust, incurring mote costs on the rest of us.
It is the wholesale market where the profits are, not the end suppliers.
As you say, BP, Shell and other international gas suppliers on a wholesale basis. |
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"It's putting your supplier at risk of going bust, incurring mote costs on the rest of us.
It is the wholesale market where the profits are, not the end suppliers.
As you say, BP, Shell and other international gas suppliers on a wholesale basis."
Send your supplier a letter of intent and your reasons if you do decide to go through with non payment it is the honourable thing to do, legally if you give a notice signed and witnessed by a lawyer and you do not receive a response or retort to your notice it is accepted that the receiving party agree to the notice and will give weight to the sender of the LOI if it does ends in court proceedings.
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By *rFunBoyMan
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"For those who pay by direct debit every month through the app you could always drop the payments down to a £1 pm to this keeping the money in your bank for then they try to take you to court.
I know it’s not a solution but it’s a protest
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Hmm, just logged onto my mother's..
Slid it all the way, stopped at £124.50 saying the value is below expected annual cost and refused to go any further.
Any suggestions? |
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"For those who pay by direct debit every month through the app you could always drop the payments down to a £1 pm to this keeping the money in your bank for then they try to take you to court.
I know it’s not a solution but it’s a protest
Hmm, just logged onto my mother's..
Slid it all the way, stopped at £124.50 saying the value is below expected annual cost and refused to go any further.
Any suggestions?"
Pay your mother's energy bill or make up the difference. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Instead of people refusing to pay, and making their situation worse, you need to put pressure on the government to freeze the price CAP and demand that wholesale profits are subject to another windfall tax to subsidise the cost. This help everyone. |
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"Could get a bit political this, but the profiteering line is one angle driven by those who want a more “Corbynesque” monetary policy.
Prices are up due to COVID and War, most profits from these companies go to share holders which are majority held in OUR pension funds
A lot of the current “cost of living crisis” has been driven by giving out freebies during covid (which is still a big issue in China so effects the global supply chains), much of which was abused, many people have planned poorly for hard times and I’d go as far to say society now wants handouts for everything "
Ive heard this argument before, but if this is the case, how come enormous profits are being made? |
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"If enough people refuse to pay, this will be a poll tax moment. Given how many people are going to get fucked over, it may well happen."
If enough do not pay the government will have to step in or they could let free market capitalism run its course and companies go into receivership with the government forced to re-nationalise UK energy or have civil unrest.
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