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UK dace blackouts this winter
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
If you do nothing else right now, pick up a 15kg Butane Gas Bottle and a portable gas heater.
They may stop gas getting to power stations to preserve domestic gas supply, but how do you run a boiler with no fricken electricity!!
If anyone does want to know how to keep a boiler running through power failure, I'll be happy to explain.
The "highly diverse" Energy supply mentioned below is bollox, in Winter, up to 70% of our electricity might be from gas.
'Psyops warning' below.
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UK 'could face blackouts this winter' under 'crisis plans' - reports
Britain could face blackouts this winter under "government crisis plans", Bloomberg reports this morning.
This is understood to be a "reasonable worst case scenario" plan, which would reportedly be implemented if cold weather coincides with fuel shortages.
If this situation was to arise, the website says it would force Downing Street to "enact emergency measures to conserve gas for four days in January".
Under the plan, supplies to gas-fired power stations could be stopped - thus causing power cuts for businesses and homes.
It comes as new forecasts show annual energy bills could top £4,200 from January amid a rapidly worsening cost of living crisis at home.
The government told Bloomberg that it prepares for "all and every eventuality" based on "made-up scenarios".
It says this particular situation is unlikely to happen because of the UK's "highly secure and diverse gas and electricity system".
However, it was not denied that the modelling had taken place. |
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Got a log burner and a huge amount of wood to burn. Some of which is kiln dried and others drying out. If it comes down to it I will burn whatever wood I have and worry about the environment later.
Have a gas powered bbq with a full tank of gas outside I can use.
And if the worse comes to the worst I can make toast on the fire  |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
Sounds lovely..
Back to the good old days.. a large tree died at the back of my house in May. Not told council yet as think I may have a use (need) for it.
Saw a great video on YT, cut a ring round the bark a year before felling, let it dry out and season while standing. Then chop as required dry and ready to burn. |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
Evacuate the UK..
To Spain, all them £85's and Visa cash, the EU would welcome us, then again, it snowed in Spain last winter..
Morocco?
Just to take some fuel from the fire.
Norway announced today they are struggling with their own winter supplies so looks like they'll be restrictions on exports to the UK and onto the EU. Considering that's 40% of our gas.. eek!
Its going to be a lovely, Christmas.. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Evacuate the UK..
To Spain, all them £85's and Visa cash, the EU would welcome us, then again, it snowed in Spain last winter..
Morocco?
Just to take some fuel from the fire.
Norway announced today they are struggling with their own winter supplies so looks like they'll be restrictions on exports to the UK and onto the EU. Considering that's 40% of our gas.. eek!
Its going to be a lovely, Christmas.."
Noooo, no evacuations
Gran Canary, average temp 20, throughout the month of Jan. Sun, sea and sangria and a little more gas for those of you that choose to tough it out.
Win, win? |
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We've been taking steps to minimise our need for gas fuel beyond baths and washing. When the heating is needed in the winter we'll hole up in our smaller living room with the log burner.
Collecting lots of dead wood even now from what falls off trees in our area. Finders keepers.  |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
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"We've been taking steps to minimise our need for gas fuel beyond baths and washing. When the heating is needed in the winter we'll hole up in our smaller living room with the log burner.
Collecting lots of dead wood even now from what falls off trees in our area. Finders keepers. "
Get a tin bath and a 5 gallon pot for fire.. |
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The government's will buy russian gas despite what Putin is doing to Ukraine. Putin always knew this and there's nothing he needs to do. He will be raking it in despite sanctions.. this should be no surprise at all you anybody and with everything in life is who has the last bullet when everybody else is out that wins or who's got the most find or biggest weapons. None of this moral stuff every ever wind through unfortunately. While we strive to live in this utopian ideal fostered onto us by media, in the really world of the wild West survival economics is king. Despite what the do gooders want governments will be forced to buy more (now expensive) russian gas or face a nightmare that may dwarf the pandemic. So that's what they will do and back track on promises like they do and should do because promises are never worth anything anyway. It the media that hound politicians into making promises just to get them off their backs.. akin to forced confessions, do they can later use it as ammunition. Shite modern journalism.
Your gas bottle idea isn't a bad one, but they don't last long those bottles and a large be amount of it pisses out of valves and seals as it's being used unless you've got them all properly sealed..
Personally I hate any large corporation and what they are doing to capitalism. So off grid is definitely a way to get another few of them out of your life. Very expensive to achieve though... Biomass boilers, wood burners etc is definitely one option if you can source a supply of wood.. but you'd need to spend a fair bit of time every week looking after it etc. As with a lot of things these days we are finding its the old ways that are winning through. Corporations have given us cheap food, cheap power and society has become used to it. Now they seek to control everything and people are pushing back. If we gain more choice and control by the demise of huge corporations it will come at a cost of more time and proportion of our income, back to the way it was 30 years ago. We need to go back to domestic manufacturing, home grown foods, spending more on the basics of and less on Amazon, fancy new phones or cars feeding corporate greed. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"The government's will buy russian gas despite what Putin is doing to Ukraine. Putin always knew this and there's nothing he needs to do. He will be raking it in despite sanctions.. this should be no surprise at all you anybody and with everything in life is who has the last bullet when everybody else is out that wins or who's got the most find or biggest weapons. None of this moral stuff every ever wind through unfortunately. While we strive to live in this utopian ideal fostered onto us by media, in the really world of the wild West survival economics is king. Despite what the do gooders want governments will be forced to buy more (now expensive) russian gas or face a nightmare that may dwarf the pandemic. So that's what they will do and back track on promises like they do and should do because promises are never worth anything anyway. It the media that hound politicians into making promises just to get them off their backs.. akin to forced confessions, do they can later use it as ammunition. Shite modern journalism.
Your gas bottle idea isn't a bad one, but they don't last long those bottles and a large be amount of it pisses out of valves and seals as it's being used unless you've got them all properly sealed..
Personally I hate any large corporation and what they are doing to capitalism. So off grid is definitely a way to get another few of them out of your life. Very expensive to achieve though... Biomass boilers, wood burners etc is definitely one option if you can source a supply of wood.. but you'd need to spend a fair bit of time every week looking after it etc. As with a lot of things these days we are finding its the old ways that are winning through. Corporations have given us cheap food, cheap power and society has become used to it. Now they seek to control everything and people are pushing back. If we gain more choice and control by the demise of huge corporations it will come at a cost of more time and proportion of our income, back to the way it was 30 years ago. We need to go back to domestic manufacturing, home grown foods, spending more on the basics of and less on Amazon, fancy new phones or cars feeding corporate greed."
Going back to how we were 30 years ago is not going to happen.
The rate of change we are experiencing is at its greatest in all the time humans have been on this planet, that is what we do, we strive for change. 200 years ago people would have laughed in your face if you said you could see and speak a friend on the other side of the world, whenever you wanted to. That example is the most obvious, but when you stop and think about how much has changed from 1970 to now, it is huge.
I think we need to accept consumption is going to happen and workout how to manage that going into the future. We will need more, so what does more look like, what do we need to support more, who do we need to support more, etc.
We need a plan |
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Well you say that, but stuff, commodities particularly food is finite .. so your idea that we just consume and that's the way it is is very very short sighted. At some point there won't be that thing that you need.. it just won't be there.. it is beginning to happen with food. There is no such thing as a free lunch and as usual those with the ability to pay increased prices will be forced to and the rest will not get.
Society's addiction to IT is a good example of things regressing back to where they were 30 years ago. Used machinery that's saturated with modules, computers and software are crashing in value as they can't be economically repaired out of warranty so you are getting companies now taking this equipment and ripping out all the high tech to make them more reliable and making money selling them on. The market simply does not want all the high tech .. people buying new really are being shafted over a barrel to pay for the poor residuals of high tech equipment .. this isn't being seen in cars just yet but in agriculture manufacturers are backing off due to consumer demand for less tech. Quite right too.. |
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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
Longridge |
Governments of a non friendly nature would be refused gas over winter, even if they begged for it.
It may get offered at a premium but more likely he'd want the EU under max pressure squabbling over the little they have.
There's 35kw in a 15kg bottle, cabinet heaters have 3 settings, 1.5kw, 3kw and 4.2kw.
The suggestion is an 'if all else fails', not to use daily. I have two anyway but never had a leak, they should be fine if in good working order. |
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"... in agriculture manufacturers are backing off due to consumer demand for less tech. Quite right too.. "
In agriculture there has been a spate of manufacturers locking kit down, so that they can benefit from the updates. In some cases, you can't attach a tool to your tractor without getting a software licence to allow it. Farmers are fed up with being stuck in the middle of a field because a bolt has sheared, and the control system won't let them restart their combine until the manufacturer comes out to approve the fix. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Well you say that, but stuff, commodities particularly food is finite .. so your idea that we just consume and that's the way it is is very very short sighted. At some point there won't be that thing that you need.. it just won't be there.. it is beginning to happen with food. There is no such thing as a free lunch and as usual those with the ability to pay increased prices will be forced to and the rest will not get.
Society's addiction to IT is a good example of things regressing back to where they were 30 years ago. Used machinery that's saturated with modules, computers and software are crashing in value as they can't be economically repaired out of warranty so you are getting companies now taking this equipment and ripping out all the high tech to make them more reliable and making money selling them on. The market simply does not want all the high tech .. people buying new really are being shafted over a barrel to pay for the poor residuals of high tech equipment .. this isn't being seen in cars just yet but in agriculture manufacturers are backing off due to consumer demand for less tech. Quite right too.. "
What you are saying is you don't like change.
I'm afraid change will come whether you like it or not, that is how we have always lived. All the issues you can find with things not working properly or food shortages will be overcome by changing what we do today for something better than what we have today. We tend not to go backwards....
That is how this world spins, is it perfect? Of course not, that is why it keeps changing. |
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