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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. " Is that a plug for a mothers day card. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. " Nah don’t get it  | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it "I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there. "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.". Maybe. But who knows. | |||
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 others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides. "Just like in 2016 when the Majority voted for Hillary Clinton... oh wait... | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides. "*Minority. Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences."Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count. "Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit. That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it."*Now | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it."Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it. The whole referendum was a shit show. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show."no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done."It's done. There's no undoing the damage done by brexit. We do challenge the political views, I suppose in the vague hope that next time there is a referendum to shoot ourselves in the collective foot or not, people might pay more attention to the consequences. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done."We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic. We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure. Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin."I don't think rejoining will undo the damage done. Much of it is irreversible, and we'd never regain the special privileges we once had. Plus the Tories have no interest in even trying to mitigate the Brexit damage, never mind rejoining. But still. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin.
I don't think rejoining will undo the damage done. Much of it is irreversible, and we'd never regain the special privileges we once had. Plus the Tories have no interest in even trying to mitigate the Brexit damage, never mind rejoining. But still."I agree damage is done, but I still think we can recover faster and get back to a good position faster in the EU | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin."but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct? | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct?"The referendum was advisory. The Government then chose for the UK to leave the EU. There's no reversing it as with the supreme court over there. It can't be overturned. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct?"Brexit is done your people casted the vote. If you a true democracy you should accept that. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct? Brexit is done your people casted the vote. If you a true democracy you should accept that.""Free and fair" is a vital part of democracy. The referendum was neither. We do accept that brexit has happened. Because, you know, it has. But we're not going to pretend it was a good idea. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct? Brexit is done your people casted the vote. If you a true democracy you should accept that."That is not how a democracy works, a true democracy people can still advocate for their cause and try and change peoples minds. Regardless of how many votes there are or the results of those votes. Removing the option for people to do that is the exact opposite of a democracy. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct? Brexit is done your people casted the vote. If you a true democracy you should accept that.
That is not how a democracy works, a true democracy people can still advocate for their cause and try and change peoples minds. Regardless of how many votes there are or the results of those votes.
Removing the option for people to do that is the exact opposite of a democracy."you saying you as a individual can change the Brexit outcome? I can if I wish. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct? Brexit is done your people casted the vote. If you a true democracy you should accept that.
That is not how a democracy works, a true democracy people can still advocate for their cause and try and change peoples minds. Regardless of how many votes there are or the results of those votes.
Removing the option for people to do that is the exact opposite of a democracy.you saying you as a individual can change the Brexit outcome? I can if I wish."so ok can literally state multiple occurrences that changed the general perception of a policy. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin. but I can approach the supreme court if I wish to overturn. As a minority to change that vote correct? No offense as much as you hate our systems a minority still has a voice over the majority of them choose. Individuality is precedence here. People there chose deal with it. That's how a true democracy works correct? Brexit is done your people casted the vote. If you a true democracy you should accept that.
That is not how a democracy works, a true democracy people can still advocate for their cause and try and change peoples minds. Regardless of how many votes there are or the results of those votes.
Removing the option for people to do that is the exact opposite of a democracy.you saying you as a individual can change the Brexit outcome? I can if I wish. so ok can literally state multiple occurrences that changed the general perception of a policy. "by individuals and not by the general consensus. | |||
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"What is needed is a gauido or navalny character supported by hostile countries and press to overthrow overturn the democratic will. "what democratic will? | |||
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"Mummy Mummy how do I start yet another debate about immigration and or foreigners and get away with racist comments without getting accused of being racist? Well Jimmy, couch the whole thing in a hypothetical conversation between and mother and her son!" And then he pretends it’s a joke  | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences."What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU? | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.""*Minority. Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences." "What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?" The electorate stood at 46,500,001, and 16,141,241 voted for Remain, with 17,410,742 voting for Leave. That makes 34.71% voted Remain, and 37.44% vote Leave. 12,948,018 or 27.85% did not exercise their vote. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. " “Mummy, why did you vote for Brexit?” “Because I was a complete fucking idiot and thought [insert stupid reason] but it turns out I completely fucked over the economy of the UK and screwed your future despite all the warnings, which I just dismissed as remoaner project fear. Soz about that kiddo!” | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
"Approx 25% Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate. The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote. Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course. | |||
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"Mummy Mummy how do I start yet another debate about immigration and or foreigners and get away with racist comments without getting accused of being racist? Well Jimmy, couch the whole thing in a hypothetical conversation between and mother and her son! And then he pretends it’s a joke "Wrong again. Have I ever said that? A more considered contribution please? | |||
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"Mummy Mummy how do I start yet another debate about immigration and or foreigners and get away with racist comments without getting accused of being racist? Well Jimmy, couch the whole thing in a hypothetical conversation between and mother and her son!" Please explain why you think it’s racist? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. “Mummy, why did you vote for Brexit?” “Because I was a complete fucking idiot and thought [insert stupid reason] but it turns out I completely fucked over the economy of the UK and screwed your future despite all the warnings, which I just dismissed as remoaner project fear. Soz about that kiddo!”" I think some who voted leave now reflect and realise they were taken in, hoodwinked by a political chancer. Plenty still feel it was right and will never change their thinking. They had their reasons and mass uncontrolled immigration was a key reason. To write Brexit voters off as thick racists is wrong though. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
"Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roof | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roof"Interesting, thanks. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. “Mummy, why did you vote for Brexit?” “Because I was a complete fucking idiot and thought [insert stupid reason] but it turns out I completely fucked over the economy of the UK and screwed your future despite all the warnings, which I just dismissed as remoaner project fear. Soz about that kiddo!” I think some who voted leave now reflect and realise they were taken in, hoodwinked by a political chancer. Plenty still feel it was right and will never change their thinking. They had their reasons and mass uncontrolled immigration was a key reason. To write Brexit voters off as thick racists is wrong though." The word racist wasn’t in my post. Nor was “thick” but “idiot” certainly was! Whatever their reasons, they pretty much have all be disproven. The short term wage growth is exactly that, short term. The economic shock of brexit was masked by covid and now Ukraine. But it is becoming increasingly apparent. So unless someone is a disaster capitalist or will directly benefit from a reduction in regulations and standards, then voting for Brexit makes them an absolute idiot. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roof"Interesting. Has it though? Can you provide a link to the stats that demonstrate this? Over what period and using what baseline? Also what types of crime? In which areas? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roof"why was Albania uncontrolled immigration? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
"Why would an Albanian need to smuggle themselves into the uk when they would qualify for a visa ? Unless they don’t wish to be seen entering the uk ? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Why would an Albanian need to smuggle themselves into the uk when they would qualify for a visa ?
Unless they don’t wish to be seen entering the uk ?"Good question. Perhaps they don’t have a passport? I’m not sure what the regulations for a tourist visa would be, there are cheap flights . | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
"Again you twist things. You seem to want to portray me as someone with a dislike of foreigners when of course I am nothing of the sort. My comment was that uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU had a consequence, that being the reaction of many people voting in favour of Brexit. For me on a personal level and for the country, it’s a disaster. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? "I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration "Albanians and Romanians for me" Maybe they werent linked in that way. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way. "My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem. We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means. Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side. The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that? The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London. That’s just a few off the top of my head. | |||
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"The votes were cast and it is done; no going back. The EU does not want us back anyway. It's like an ex-husband saying "I know I insulted you and treated you like shit but lets start a company together so I can maintain my standard of living." The reason for what is apparently a poor decision for Britain is more complex. I believe it was at least in part the result of a lack of understanding by the majority of voters as to how Britain is governed and how it obtains its economic wealth in the global economy. Think about it. The standard reply when ever anyone raised any point on the negative effects on the economy of Brexit, was a chant of "Project fear!" by the leaders of the leavers. No point by point rebuttal, just a childish chant that stuck like "Take back control!" with the uninformed. One potential solution to avoid this in the future is to allow everyone to have a vote; IF they have passed a test on how the country is governed and funded. It is quite common for citizens of other countries seeking British citerzenship to take such a test, but how many British born folk could pass? But that will never happen. The political parties want people motivated by sound bites not sound thinking. It helps them stay in power. " Education is key too, not just on how the country works, and what the EU is etc. But we need to teach kids how to interpret and analyse information they receive. That way the meaningless slogans, misinformation, and blatant bullshit will be much less effective. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head."Manchester bombing , British citizens Westminister bridge, British citizens London Bridge , British citizens Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
"In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports? I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course."So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU. To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin."They are British, just as British as you and I | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I "Maybe todays Logical Fallacy of the day should be the No True Scotsman... I have a feeling someone may be about to use it... | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I "you speak for yourself | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself"I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I "I think this in a legal definition only. | |||
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"Because I'm english" What makes you ‘more’ English than someone else? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I
I think this in a legal definition only."Eh? They are British citizens, how would you ‘describe’ a British person? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin."Manchester, Westminster and at least one of Lee Rigby were UK born. One of London bridge may have used dual nationality. But apparently the Italian police flagged the risk to the UK so I'm not sure if there were powers that could have been used. Another London bridge was a failed asykum seeker. So another gap in out system it seems. It is interesting how a thread started under the guise of why ppl voted brexit has now covered Albanians, Africans, and Asians. While I empathize with where the concerns are coming from, and that people may have voted leave as it was a chance to control one element, it doesn't help dispel the race driven motives of brexit | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay."I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement. Not sure why you're taking issue. The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top). | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use? "The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened. We should not shy away from calling that out, ever. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.Manchester, Westminster and at least one of Lee Rigby were UK born.
One of London bridge may have used dual nationality. But apparently the Italian police flagged the risk to the UK so I'm not sure if there were powers that could have been used. Another London bridge was a failed asykum seeker. So another gap in out system it seems.
It is interesting how a thread started under the guise of why ppl voted brexit has now covered Albanians, Africans, and Asians.
While I empathize with where the concerns are coming from, and that people may have voted leave as it was a chance to control one element, it doesn't help dispel the race driven motives of brexit "The OP is confused, he mentioned the danger of mass immigration from the EU then blamed it for several horrific murders committed by British people | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever. "What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell? "The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it. You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head."I quoted the whole of the post so I'm not sure I agree with that order. Tnh you started with crime, and someone tried to explain why the thread was even started. But only the person who wrote Albanians can explain their thinking. Tbh, the "all immigration is good" position feels like a strawman. I suspect even the most privalaged of liberals will accept that there will be bad apples. Because immigrants are human. And the kids of immigrants may also be bad apples. That may be due to their parents or have nothing to do with them. If a kid of a immigrant Christian family converts to Islam, is that due to the parents? The question is how to a) understand the risks, and the drivers, b) manage those risks and c) balance those risks against the benefit and need for immigration and d) trying to help those in desperate need. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry. "I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU "I didn't say you were angry... People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens. It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.Manchester, Westminster and at least one of Lee Rigby were UK born.
One of London bridge may have used dual nationality. But apparently the Italian police flagged the risk to the UK so I'm not sure if there were powers that could have been used. Another London bridge was a failed asykum seeker. So another gap in out system it seems.
It is interesting how a thread started under the guise of why ppl voted brexit has now covered Albanians, Africans, and Asians.
While I empathize with where the concerns are coming from, and that people may have voted leave as it was a chance to control one element, it doesn't help dispel the race driven motives of brexit
The OP is confused, he mentioned the danger of mass immigration from the EU then blamed it for several horrific murders committed by British people "No confusion on my part. Possibly a disingenuous play on words on your part? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
"I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events. | |||
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"People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens. It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust. I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events."
I couldn't word this properly, I wholeheartedly agree! | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events."The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me. People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
"This post gets the challenge imo. This stuff is emotional. One group will seek to look past the emotion because, in their view, you shouldnt take individual incidents and extrapolate to the whole group. You should look at data and get an understanding of the issue. The other group see this as not caring. Or as you say trivialising. Or imply this means you are in the side of the attackers. Maybe a sympathiser. And there will be groups who use this as a feyke for their own agenda. That has nothing to do with keeping kids safe, or saving our streets. (Tommy) If a kid turns against the country he was born in and grew up in, I wonder whether that is a function of his family, or his community, or how he is treated in the UK. My suspicion is it's the last two which form a vicious circle. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
This post gets the challenge imo.
This stuff is emotional.
One group will seek to look past the emotion because, in their view, you shouldnt take individual incidents and extrapolate to the whole group. You should look at data and get an understanding of the issue.
The other group see this as not caring. Or as you say trivialising. Or imply this means you are in the side of the attackers. Maybe a sympathiser.
And there will be groups who use this as a feyke for their own agenda. That has nothing to do with keeping kids safe, or saving our streets. (Tommy)
If a kid turns against the country he was born in and grew up in, I wonder whether that is a function of his family, or his community, or how he is treated in the UK. My suspicion is it's the last two which form a vicious circle. " | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to. "How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top)."Your statement of "or couldn’t vote" is also misinformation. This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote. A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay. But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
""Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible? In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"You too are missing vital information, like the number of verified people that voted leave but in their own words only did because they thought it wouldn't happen. Or the ones that instantly regretted the vote. It also ignores the advisory aspect of the referendum, or the fact that a huge swathe of people voted based on verified lies. It is nowhere near as simple as "26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay. But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave." If the vote were held today I would be surprised if Leave got half the votes it got then, very surprised. Either way we have been stuck with Brexit and are going to have to spend decades recovering from something which didn't need to happen if it weren't for the greed of a minority. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
You too are missing vital information, like the number of verified people that voted leave but in their own words only did because they thought it wouldn't happen. Or the ones that instantly regretted the vote.
It also ignores the advisory aspect of the referendum, or the fact that a huge swathe of people voted based on verified lies.
It is nowhere near as simple as "26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave."
If the vote were held today I would be surprised if Leave got half the votes it got then, very surprised.
Either way we have been stuck with Brexit and are going to have to spend decades recovering from something which didn't need to happen if it weren't for the greed of a minority.
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"So judging by the ebb and flow of this thread it appears to be that some people believe the reason many/most people voted for Brexit is because they were worried about uncontrolled immigration from the EU but only really because it somehow also allowed non-EU nationals with terrorist sympathies/tendencies (or their British born children a couple of decades later) into the UK. Is that right? Just checking that applies to Irish people too? I ask because I am old enough to remember IRA bombs in London!" Not quite. The main thread is my belief that many people saw Brexit as a chance to demonstrate their dislike of the impact on them of uncontrolled mass immigration from EU, mostly east European countries. I then made a point in response to the ‘all immigration is good’ and has ‘always benefited the UK’ by posting that immigration does sometimes come with a cost. Perhaps I should have started a separate post? I still maintain that there was a protest vote if you like, people that never vote turned out, people that previously utter the word ‘Tory’ unless there were a string of expletives in front suddenly fell in love with a blond chancer and even went against the wishes of Labour. They backed this up by voting conservative in record numbers in 2019. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists "How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts. Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens. I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it. If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. | |||
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"How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts. Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens. I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it. If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. " I really am struggling to follow you this, how does them being British and therefore not immigrants feed Anti-Immigration messaging? All you have done to support this argument is present a No True Scotsman Fallacy. "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." - Textbook no true scotsman. | |||
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"How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts. Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens. I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it. If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. I really am struggling to follow you this, how does them being British and therefore not immigrants feed Anti-Immigration messaging? All you have done to support this argument is present a No True Scotsman Fallacy. "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." - Textbook no true scotsman." They may be British by documentation, but they want to hurt Britain is what I am saying for the last time. Read my posts, there are more than one and all very clear. I'm starting to think there are people here that are not very good at reading what is put in front of them.... | |||
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"How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts. Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens. I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it. If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. I really am struggling to follow you this, how does them being British and therefore not immigrants feed Anti-Immigration messaging? All you have done to support this argument is present a No True Scotsman Fallacy. "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." - Textbook no true scotsman. They may be British by documentation, but they want to hurt Britain is what I am saying for the last time. Read my posts, there are more than one and all very clear. I'm starting to think there are people here that are not very good at reading what is put in front of them.... " Precisely you are doubting their claim to be British because of an arbitrary purity test. that is the definition of the No True Scotsman fallacy. Regardless of their hate or views they are still British. By Documentation and the rest. No-one else gets to arbitrarily state otherwise as a declarative fact. | |||
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"How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts. Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens. I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it. If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. I really am struggling to follow you this, how does them being British and therefore not immigrants feed Anti-Immigration messaging? All you have done to support this argument is present a No True Scotsman Fallacy. "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." - Textbook no true scotsman. They may be British by documentation, but they want to hurt Britain is what I am saying for the last time. Read my posts, there are more than one and all very clear. I'm starting to think there are people here that are not very good at reading what is put in front of them.... Precisely you are doubting their claim to be British because of an arbitrary purity test. that is the definition of the No True Scotsman fallacy. Regardless of their hate or views they are still British. By Documentation and the rest. No-one else gets to arbitrarily state otherwise as a declarative fact." No I'm not others will that feed into the anti immigration messages!!! Read what is in front of you not what you want to see... My God..... this is hard work | |||
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"No I'm not others will that feed into the anti immigration messages!!! Read what is in front of you not what you want to see... My God..... this is hard work" You didn't write this then? "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." That is literally what I am saying it is. It is hard work, because you are wrong. | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible?
In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave.
"Who are the people you say were ineligible? To be more precise, an even smaller minority voted to stay in the EU would be a better statement to make. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. "Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion "Might  | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible?
In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave.
Who are the people you say were ineligible?
"Not sure how to word this in any other way. Ineligible: legally or officially unable to be considered for a position or benefit. " To be more precise, an even smaller minority voted to stay in the EU would be a better statement to make." Not sure why you'd need to specify this when you're correcting a misunderstanding such as "The majority voted for Brexit". Doesn't seem relevant. | |||
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"No I'm not others will that feed into the anti immigration messages!!! Read what is in front of you not what you want to see... My God..... this is hard work You didn't write this then? "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." That is literally what I am saying it is. It is hard work, because you are wrong." The full context below and if you can't follow this tough, it says a lot about how you choose to be blinkered to try and force a point that isn't there. I have not once mentioned that immigration was an issue. You are trying to make something out of nothing, yet again.... Out of interest how British do you think those terrorists are and if they were asked, how do you think they would respond? My post and replies: They are British, just as British as you and I " I think this in a legal definition only. Eh? They are British citizens, how would you ‘describe’ a British person? The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened. We should not shy away from calling that out, ever. What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell? "The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it. You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry". | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion
Might "You asked how I would describe these terrorists, I had already described them as terrorists and nothing else | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion
Might
You asked how I would describe these terrorists, I had already described them as terrorists and nothing else "And you butted in on a previous post where I stated that the terrorists were British and had nothing to do with ‘mass immigration from the EU’ | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion
Might
You asked how I would describe these terrorists, I had already described them as terrorists and nothing else
And you butted in on a previous post where I stated that the terrorists were British and had nothing to do with ‘mass immigration from the EU’ "Didn't you ask me directly how I would describe those terrorists? | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion
Might
You asked how I would describe these terrorists, I had already described them as terrorists and nothing else
And you butted in on a previous post where I stated that the terrorists were British and had nothing to do with ‘mass immigration from the EU’
Didn't you ask me directly how I would describe those terrorists? "Omg, just read the thread and it’s context, it is such hard work | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
Not at all, I was replying to the post that stated that mass immigration from the EU had caused these atrocities, you really need to read the thread , it light help with your confusion
Might
You asked how I would describe these terrorists, I had already described them as terrorists and nothing else
And you butted in on a previous post where I stated that the terrorists were British and had nothing to do with ‘mass immigration from the EU’
Didn't you ask me directly how I would describe those terrorists?
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible?
In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave.
Who are the people you say were ineligible?
Not sure how to word this in any other way.
Ineligible: legally or officially unable to be considered for a position or benefit.
To be more precise, an even smaller minority voted to stay in the EU would be a better statement to make.
Not sure why you'd need to specify this when you're correcting a misunderstanding such as "The majority voted for Brexit". Doesn't seem relevant.
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"How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts. Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens. I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it. If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear. I really am struggling to follow you this, how does them being British and therefore not immigrants feed Anti-Immigration messaging? All you have done to support this argument is present a No True Scotsman Fallacy. "They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it." - Textbook no true scotsman. They may be British by documentation, but they want to hurt Britain is what I am saying for the last time. Read my posts, there are more than one and all very clear. I'm starting to think there are people here that are not very good at reading what is put in front of them.... " Two in particular that just like to ignore what’s written, take things out of context to make themselves look smart and others bad. Also wide assumptions on a regular basis. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roofwhy was Albania uncontrolled immigration?
Who said it was? I'm trying to follow the logic of the conversation
Ppl voted Brexit because of uncontrolled migration
"Albanians and Romanians for me"
Maybe they werent linked in that way.
My comment was on the uncontrolled mass immigration from the EU. Someone mentioned issues with crime and a guy responded that in his area and experience, Albanians and Romanians were causing a problem.
We do know that many Albanians have come here by illegal means.
Some privileged white liberals like to spout that all immigration is great, good for the country. I’m not anti immigration and I can see how we have benefited, but it’s naive in the extreme to believe there is no down side.
The poor souls found dead in the lorry in Grays the other year? How on earth did the authorities get over that?
The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London.
That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Manchester bombing , British citizens
Westminister bridge, British citizens
London Bridge , British citizens
Killing of Lee RIgby , British citizens
In what sense? Because they were both here? Because they hold British passports?
I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin.
They are British, just as British as you and I you speak for yourself
I am, what makes you ‘more ‘ British than some one else? Is there a British measurement scale we can use?
The direction you are taking this is not going to stack up. It is very clear that radicalisation and a real hate of western society, especially the UK was the reason these terror attacks happened.
We should not shy away from calling that out, ever.
What direction? Do you blame these crimes on the ‘mass immigration ‘ from the EU aswell?
The direction of saying those that committed the terror attacks listed are British citizens. They are by documentation alone, their ideals and ways of thinking are far from it.
You lose ground by trying to put terrorists into an every day society bucket. This is why people go completely the other direction and become angry.
I am not angry, I was stating that the terrorist attacks had nothing to do with mass immigration from the EU
I didn't say you were angry...
People get angry when terror attacks appear to be dumbed down with comments such as, they were British citizens.
It comes across as trivialising the horror and hate that these individuals want or have done to innocent people in this country and others around the world. It is the fuel that anti immigration use to create anger and mistrust.
I find the opposite. When the media points out that a crime was committed by a foreigner, a Muslim, a brown person, or a brown foreign Muslim. It not only trivialises the crimes, it shifts the conversation to immigration instead of looking at the actual events.
The fact that the person / persons who carried out the attack was a terrorist with the motivation to hurt innocent people. That is what it is, applying a label other than that is not acceptable to me.
People who diminish the reality of the intention, or the impact of the action by trivialising any part of what they did or they stand for to make a point or win an argument, are not worth listening to.
How would you describe these evil , disgusting terrorists
How much clearer do I need to be? They are terrorists simple as that. You seem to be baiting me to say something along the lines of immigration, which as never been in my posts.
Your post that I replied to, you offered up all the terrorist activities were carried out by British citizens.
I said, that type of comparison feeds the anti immigration message. You have either took exception to me pointing that out or are being difficult for the sake of it.
If you need any further explantation following this, reread my posts as it is very clear.
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible?
In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave.
Who are the people you say were ineligible?
Not sure how to word this in any other way.
Ineligible: legally or officially unable to be considered for a position or benefit.
To be more precise, an even smaller minority voted to stay in the EU would be a better statement to make.
Not sure why you'd need to specify this when you're correcting a misunderstanding such as "The majority voted for Brexit". Doesn't seem relevant.
Actually it is relevant because you have failed to acknowledge that the remain vote was less that the leave one.
"Why is this unrelated piece of information relevant? " As for ineligible people. If your not on the voting register you don't get the opportunity to vote. " uh hu, they're ineligible. " There was plenty of time for people to get on the register if they so wished." Indeed. again, not sure what this is relevant. | |||
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"So judging by the ebb and flow of this thread it appears to be that some people believe the reason many/most people voted for Brexit is because they were worried about uncontrolled immigration from the EU but only really because it somehow also allowed non-EU nationals with terrorist sympathies/tendencies (or their British born children a couple of decades later) into the UK. Is that right? Just checking that applies to Irish people too? I ask because I am old enough to remember IRA bombs in London! Not quite. The main thread is my belief that many people saw Brexit as a chance to demonstrate their dislike of the impact on them of uncontrolled mass immigration from EU, mostly east European countries. I then made a point in response to the ‘all immigration is good’ and has ‘always benefited the UK’ by posting that immigration does sometimes come with a cost. Perhaps I should have started a separate post? I still maintain that there was a protest vote if you like, people that never vote turned out, people that previously utter the word ‘Tory’ unless there were a string of expletives in front suddenly fell in love with a blond chancer and even went against the wishes of Labour. They backed this up by voting conservative in record numbers in 2019. " not quite. From what I can see you created the straw man that liberals claim all immigration is good. Although maybe it was buried in a post I missed. As far as I can see noone mentioned crime until the guy who mentioned albanaia did. Although you implied law breaking in your first post. . So far, none of this post has come close to touching anything around uncontrollable immigration from the EU. It has, like many Brexit posts, started to talk about Africans and Asians. And no EU Europeans. I agree that for many it was a protest vote. But for others, that protest vote was impotent at best and self destructive at worst. Much like voting Tories. Give in to my demands or i will shoot myself in the foot. | |||
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"So judging by the ebb and flow of this thread it appears to be that some people believe the reason many/most people voted for Brexit is because they were worried about uncontrolled immigration from the EU but only really because it somehow also allowed non-EU nationals with terrorist sympathies/tendencies (or their British born children a couple of decades later) into the UK. Is that right? Just checking that applies to Irish people too? I ask because I am old enough to remember IRA bombs in London! Not quite. The main thread is my belief that many people saw Brexit as a chance to demonstrate their dislike of the impact on them of uncontrolled mass immigration from EU, mostly east European countries. I then made a point in response to the ‘all immigration is good’ and has ‘always benefited the UK’ by posting that immigration does sometimes come with a cost. Perhaps I should have started a separate post? I still maintain that there was a protest vote if you like, people that never vote turned out, people that previously utter the word ‘Tory’ unless there were a string of expletives in front suddenly fell in love with a blond chancer and even went against the wishes of Labour. They backed this up by voting conservative in record numbers in 2019. not quite. From what I can see you created the straw man that liberals claim all immigration is good. Although maybe it was buried in a post I missed. As far as I can see noone mentioned crime until the guy who mentioned albanaia did. Although you implied law breaking in your first post. . So far, none of this post has come close to touching anything around uncontrollable immigration from the EU. It has, like many Brexit posts, started to talk about Africans and Asians. And no EU Europeans. I agree that for many it was a protest vote. But for others, that protest vote was impotent at best and self destructive at worst. Much like voting Tories. Give in to my demands or i will shoot myself in the foot. " | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roof
Interesting. Has it though? Can you provide a link to the stats that demonstrate this? Over what period and using what baseline? Also what types of crime? In which areas?"2 accounts of gang r..e maybe more north west area, Romanians r..es a man. In theory grotesque and violent way. Also happened in the south west. Horrendous, they aren't even properly vetted or nothing, and don't give me that this has nothing to do with race. Different cultures and different punishments aren't the same. People can get away with a lot more over here, for a lighter sentence. Just have a Google gang r..es | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible?
In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave.
Who are the people you say were ineligible?
Not sure how to word this in any other way.
Ineligible: legally or officially unable to be considered for a position or benefit.
To be more precise, an even smaller minority voted to stay in the EU would be a better statement to make.
Not sure why you'd need to specify this when you're correcting a misunderstanding such as "The majority voted for Brexit". Doesn't seem relevant.
Actually it is relevant because you have failed to acknowledge that the remain vote was less that the leave one.
Why is this unrelated piece of information relevant?
As for ineligible people. If your not on the voting register you don't get the opportunity to vote.
uh hu, they're ineligible.
There was plenty of time for people to get on the register if they so wished.
Indeed. again, not sure what this is relevant."Because your first post stated that only 26% of the population voted to leave the EU. You ignored the fact that an even lower percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU. You used the word misinformation but your doing the same thing but not acknowledging the fact that the leave vote actually got the winning vote. | |||
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"I had concerns on macro economics and lack of sovereignty my dear. Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell. The ones that scare the shit out of the council and even scare the police. No dear, that would be racist. Nah don’t get it
I think this is in reference to the thread "40% Albanians". OP blamed foreigners for brexit over there.
"The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price.".
Maybe. But who knows.
Albanians and Romanians for me. Crime has gone through the roof
Interesting. Has it though? Can you provide a link to the stats that demonstrate this? Over what period and using what baseline? Also what types of crime? In which areas?
2 accounts of gang r..e maybe more north west area, Romanians r..es a man. In theory grotesque and violent way. Also happened in the south west. Horrendous, they aren't even properly vetted or nothing, and don't give me that this has nothing to do with race. Different cultures and different punishments aren't the same. People can get away with a lot more over here, for a lighter sentence. Just have a Google gang r..es "Welcome Polish they love a good graft | |||
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"Remoaners bleating as usual Had a vote the outcome was more voted to leave. That's it If you have lost out personally because of it then that's bad luck. Probably rode the gravy train for too long. We are out and we will be better for it. Nothing changes over night and in time we will be seeing other nations ditch the EU too. Let the French & the Germans get on with it" I like your optimism, when will we be ‘better for it’ ?? | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences."the other 74 didn't understand English | |||
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"Remoaners bleating as usual Had a vote the outcome was more voted to leave. That's it If you have lost out personally because of it then that's bad luck. Probably rode the gravy train for too long. We are out and we will be better for it. Nothing changes over night and in time we will be seeing other nations ditch the EU too. Let the French & the Germans get on with it I like your optimism, when will we be ‘better for it’ ??" lol was just going to ask the same question. Help me with some timings please - when exactly can I expect to look out my window and see the thriving south east asian style tiger economy for Europe that we are promised (you know the one that’s gone to occur after we declared a trade war on ourselves) and when you say it’s bad luck if you have lost out personally by that sweeping generalisation I guess you are including businesses, restaurant, pubs, farmers, people who buy food in supermarkets, those of use who got stuck in queues etc etc | |||
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"Has that £350 million per week ended up with the NHS…. Just asking for a friend "You’ve got it all up north. Levelling up? | |||
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"Remoaners bleating as usual Had a vote the outcome was more voted to leave. That's it If you have lost out personally because of it then that's bad luck. Probably rode the gravy train for too long. We are out and we will be better for it. Nothing changes over night and in time we will be seeing other nations ditch the EU too. Let the French & the Germans get on with it I like your optimism, when will we be ‘better for it’ ?? lol was just going to ask the same question. Help me with some timings please - when exactly can I expect to look out my window and see the thriving south east asian style tiger economy for Europe that we are promised (you know the one that’s gone to occur after we declared a trade war on ourselves) and when you say it’s bad luck if you have lost out personally by that sweeping generalisation I guess you are including businesses, restaurant, pubs, farmers, people who buy food in supermarkets, those of use who got stuck in queues etc etc " I guess nobody likes to admit they were duped / lied to/ take for fools. Especially by a proven spaffy liar. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. " How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? | |||
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"Remoaners bleating as usual Had a vote the outcome was more voted to leave. That's it " I think you're confused. No one is saying Brexit hasn't happened. " If you have lost out personally because of it then that's bad luck. Probably rode the gravy train for too long. " That's every British person bar a small number of billionaires at the top. " We are out and we will be better for it. " Do you have an example of something that is better? The government even set up a whole department to try to find an upside to Brexit, thus far, nada. " Nothing changes over night and in time we will be seeing other nations ditch the EU too. Let the French & the Germans get on with it" Actually a lot has changed very quickly, the damage to the economy was swift and brutal. Why do you think other EU nations would make such a stupid choice? | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences.
What percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU?
Approx 25%
Or if you break it down as the other chap did by percentage of the electorate.
The point is. "The majority voted for brexit" is an incorrect statement. More people didn't or couldn't vote.
Doesn't matter what people did. We're all facing the same consequences. Except those few at the top who are benefitting of course.
So whatever way you try to paint it, even your percentages show that less people voted to stay in the EU.
To be far it was classic misinformation stating only 26% voted to leave the EU when you failed to state what the percentage was to stay.
I'm not painting it anyway, just correcting an incorrect statement.
Not sure why you're taking issue.
The main points are. Most people didn't or couldn't vote. Brexit is damaging to us all (except the ultra rich at the top).
Your statement of "or couldn’t vote"
is also misinformation.
This would be due to the fact they were not on the electoral role because they were either not old enough to vote or they have not registered to vote.
A more correct way of correcting it would have been of those people eligible to vote 26% voted to leave and 25% vote to stay.
But again it shows of the eligible voting population more people voted to leave.
"Or couldn't vote" surely includes people ineligible?
In any case to say "the majority of British people voted to leave the EU", is incorrect. A minority of British people voted to leave.
Who are the people you say were ineligible?
Not sure how to word this in any other way.
Ineligible: legally or officially unable to be considered for a position or benefit.
To be more precise, an even smaller minority voted to stay in the EU would be a better statement to make.
Not sure why you'd need to specify this when you're correcting a misunderstanding such as "The majority voted for Brexit". Doesn't seem relevant.
Actually it is relevant because you have failed to acknowledge that the remain vote was less that the leave one.
Why is this unrelated piece of information relevant?
As for ineligible people. If your not on the voting register you don't get the opportunity to vote.
uh hu, they're ineligible.
There was plenty of time for people to get on the register if they so wished.
Indeed. again, not sure what this is relevant.
Because your first post stated that only 26% of the population voted to leave the EU.
You ignored the fact that an even lower percentage of the population voted to stay in the EU.
You used the word misinformation but your doing the same thing but not acknowledging the fact that the leave vote actually got the winning vote.
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? " "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. " Do you actually know any difference coming from the biggest hole in the uk haha | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. " Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin."You do indeed have a voice and it is your right to campaign to achieve a second referendum/ rejoining the EU. To that end there is already a political party that is called re join. I'm not sure if they advocate a second referendum or just rejoining the EU but it sounds what your looking for. In my opinion we would not have had a referendum if it was not for farage setting up a party and campaigning to the point of winning EU elections and basically scaring the Tory party into it. Rejoin party are free to do the same (only in reverse). Also maybe look into the lib dems as at one point they said they would re join without a referendum but have not been as vocal about it recently | |||
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"The majority voted for Brexit. others might have disdain over that but that is how your government be works. The majority decides.
*Minority.
Only about 26% of the population voted for it. And they voted based on lies and misinformation. Sadly we're all left dealing with the consequences. Maybe a voter a better turnout in voters would have been a better choice. But statistically wise for that 26% still proves the vote count.
Who knows if the other people would have voted for or against brexit.
That number also includes people too young, yet are not dealing with a bleaker future because of it.
Also the significant number of people that were idiotic enough to actually state "I only voted for it cos I thought it wouldn't happen" or did so as protest votes even though they didn't want it.
The whole referendum was a shit show. no offense can anyone in the UK challenge that political view? Or is it a "The majority voted" that's it it's done.
We campaign to reverse the decision. the notion that just because it was voted for (under dubious circumstances) then everyone has to accept it, is entirely undemocratic.
We still have a voice and the right to dissent and voice our displeasure.
Brexit still happened, but the populace is definitely majority against it at this stage, the next step is to convince people to rejoin.
You do indeed have a voice and it is your right to campaign to achieve a second referendum/ rejoining the EU. To that end there is already a political party that is called re join. I'm not sure if they advocate a second referendum or just rejoining the EU but it sounds what your looking for. In my opinion we would not have had a referendum if it was not for farage setting up a party and campaigning to the point of winning EU elections and basically scaring the Tory party into it. Rejoin party are free to do the same (only in reverse). Also maybe look into the lib dems as at one point they said they would re join without a referendum but have not been as vocal about it recently" | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? " I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts." An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation " Sounds like hostility, libel or a ban. | |||
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"Those who had a vote and didn't use it can't complain. As for the economy, Germany is up the creek without a paddle, Italy are in the same boat as well. Ukraine issue is knocking on the EU door and Hungary oppose all which the EU suggests, thus looking at changing to majority agreement instead of all unanimous. The Euro is holding on by its teeth, the postal system and reclamation of individual state VAT being demanded on doorsteps - that is even for parcels from one state to another. France is running its nuclear plants outside of standard practice due to heat and energy crisis. So would I change my vote to join this fading EU dream, no chance, the writing is on the wall. Once Ukraine have booted out the Russians the EU will need to look at itself and figure out how it will stand on its own two feet. Unless they go back grovelling to Putin for more gas, and risk being dependant at the whim of Russia. The EU economy is going one way, and will take time to recover if it ever can, which is unlikely without cheap Russian energy. Had Putin not cocked up by invading Ukraine and invaded an EU country that is not a member of NATO, the EU would be history as it would have fallen apart at the seams. " And you probably believe every word of what you have written. Dear God please stop people curating their own news feeds. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation " Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? " Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? " You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. " Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist." Why do you start so many ‘anti immigration’ posts? Why do you say this "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian, where is Liam Neeson when we need him? Are you going to claim it is a ‘joke’ yet again | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? " An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist. Why do you start so many ‘anti immigration’ posts? Why do you say this "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian, where is Liam Neeson when we need him? Are you going to claim it is a ‘joke’ yet again " You are like a dog with a bone aren’t you. When have I ever backtracked by claiming something was ‘a joke’? By the way, the Liam Neeson comment was a joke, I assume you know that? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist. Why do you start so many ‘anti immigration’ posts? Why do you say this "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian, where is Liam Neeson when we need him? Are you going to claim it is a ‘joke’ yet again " I’ve never started an ‘anti immigration’ post. I am not anti immigration. I am anti illegal activity as all law abiding people should be. Why would an Albanian gentlemen cross the channel in a dingy, destroy all documentation? Do you not think it strange behaviour? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?"" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it " I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist. Why do you start so many ‘anti immigration’ posts? Why do you say this "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian, where is Liam Neeson when we need him? Are you going to claim it is a ‘joke’ yet again I’ve never started an ‘anti immigration’ post. I am not anti immigration. I am anti illegal activity as all law abiding people should be. Why would an Albanian gentlemen cross the channel in a dingy, destroy all documentation? Do you not think it strange behaviour? " I know what is strange, the start of this thread. Can you explain what any of it means, and why you decided to start up a ‘grown up discussion’ in this war? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve. "A racist will pretend they are making a joke when saying racisr and inflammatory comments | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve. "Quite right. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve.
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve.
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist. Why do you start so many ‘anti immigration’ posts? Why do you say this "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian, where is Liam Neeson when we need him? Are you going to claim it is a ‘joke’ yet again I’ve never started an ‘anti immigration’ post. I am not anti immigration. I am anti illegal activity as all law abiding people should be. Why would an Albanian gentlemen cross the channel in a dingy, destroy all documentation? Do you not think it strange behaviour? I know what is strange, the start of this thread. Can you explain what any of it means, and why you decided to start up a ‘grown up discussion’ in this war? " Answer my question please ? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve. "But what if what you think constitutes racism is wrong? Could you be wrong? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? You have simply listed many of my comments. None of them are racist. If for some bizarre reason you think they are then please explain. Simply raising and discussing these issues isn’t racist. Why do you start so many ‘anti immigration’ posts? Why do you say this "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian, where is Liam Neeson when we need him? Are you going to claim it is a ‘joke’ yet again I’ve never started an ‘anti immigration’ post. I am not anti immigration. I am anti illegal activity as all law abiding people should be. Why would an Albanian gentlemen cross the channel in a dingy, destroy all documentation? Do you not think it strange behaviour? I know what is strange, the start of this thread. Can you explain what any of it means, and why you decided to start up a ‘grown up discussion’ in this war? " It was a follow on from a previous post where someone thought it ridiculous or ‘absolute rubbish’ that mass uncontrolled immigration from predominantly Eastern Europe could have had an adverse impact on the indigenous population, leading them to vote leave in the Brexit referendum. It’s actually based on a true story. Now, for the record, I love people from East Europe. I have been lucky enough to visit every country in Europe except Belarus. Met so many wonderful people . I have memories of people, places, events that will last a lifetime. I have worked with and employed many people from Eastern Europe. All lovely, they quite liked me by the way and never thought of me as racist. | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve.
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?"" I get it now. When white liberals read something that they don’t like, even though it doesn’t impact them or offend anyone, they shout “racist “ or blame the Daily Mail. The advanced ones say “Daily Heil”. Let’s call them ‘the Guardianistas’ They see offence where there is none, they don’t read the whole thing but just look for the first thing they think is wrong. They of course are never wrong. If I have ever written anything that is wrong or offensive then I apologise and am open to be corrected. Educated even. Please? | |||
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"OP. You are literally the worst! Every day you spew hate upon hate about various groups of 'foreigners'. You are clearly a complete racist. Lower than the low. Every single day. Clearly something very bad must have happened to you for you to be so hate filled, but you shouldn't take it out on people the way you do. How dare you? I am not a racist. I have never posted anything hateful and never will. I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners. What a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting we are not able or allowed to discuss / debate such things? If so, why? "I have absolutely no problem with any foreigners" Try saying this three times before you write any of your regular posts. Are you a privileged white liberal with little understanding of what is and isn’t racism? I'm actually not a liberal. I can see what racism is. I have quite clearly seen it in many of your posts. An example please as that’s a rather nasty allegation Well only since you ask for an example, a quick search shows: "Massive levels of immigration have seen a dramatic increase in most levels of crime, in particular violent crime & murder. "When you hear of crimes these days that are so ghastly, you just know that in almost every case it involves foreigners. "Really, I thought it was cos you hate our Polish neighbours that make our life hell "The guy that drove a car bomb to a maternity hospital in Liverpool- whoever thought that could happen? The Manchester concert bomb, the Westminster bridge attacks, the London Bridge attacks, the hacking to death in broad day of a young soldier in London." - (Most shown to be British Citizens) "I could also have included the numerous grooming gangs of Pakistani origin. "The massive crime increase in a small provincial market town, and a massive increase in foreigners in the area. Would this not cause you to raise an eyebrow? "Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? "I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. "They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration." - (P.s. only the fascist groups tend to regularly use this term) "Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? "What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? "Iranian asylum seeker murders "Left wingers & foreigners. Do they represent a threat to British values? Particularly those in a position of some power, perhaps not always having what’s best for the country in mind. Almost like ‘fifth columnists’? Maybe @_ebjonnson thinks to qualify as racist you have to do something bad or violent to the person of different ethnicity. But putting down, or having thoughts of being superior and better than a person, because of their ethnicity doesn't count. Agreed. Are we not allowed to discuss these things in a civilised grown ups, non hate inducing way? Are they off limits? If so, why? An observation. A few people have called you up on this. I think the language you use does not help. A civilised grown up discussion doesn't (imo) benefit from the emotional daily mail language you often employ. Nor does the use of leading questions. "Seb uses emotional language in his constant posting about foreigners. Is there are a dangerous racist on the forum? Should we be worried ?" Are you worried? If so, don’t read it I'm not worried. I think if someone is racist then often the world can see their true colours. Once exposed they can be treated with the contempt they deserve.
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that?" I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. | |||
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that? I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. " This Thread: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1339746 If people want to read what was ACTUALLY said and not the revisionist summary that is being peddled here. | |||
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that? I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. " You can of course say no, but to save me trawling through yet another thread...how about just restating, clearly and unambiguously, what the key points you are making are? | |||
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that? I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. You can of course say no, but to save me trawling through yet another thread...how about just restating, clearly and unambiguously, what the key points you are making are?" My point is that many people voted leave due to their negative experiences of the mass uncontrolled immigration from EU. A protest vote if you like but many felt it was their only way of being heard after decades of being ignored by their political party of choice. Some were accused of being bigoted racists. Remember the Gordon Brown incident? Some people here won’t accept that. The example given in my OP is based on a true story. Only one example I know. | |||
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that? I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. You can of course say no, but to save me trawling through yet another thread...how about just restating, clearly and unambiguously, what the key points you are making are? My point is that many people voted leave due to their negative experiences of the mass uncontrolled immigration from EU. A protest vote if you like but many felt it was their only way of being heard after decades of being ignored by their political party of choice. Some were accused of being bigoted racists. Remember the Gordon Brown incident? Some people here won’t accept that. The example given in my OP is based on a true story. Only one example I know." Do you have any more examples that are ‘true stories’ ? | |||
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"Mummy Mummy how do I start yet another debate about immigration and or foreigners and get away with racist comments without getting accused of being racist? Well Jimmy, couch the whole thing in a hypothetical conversation between and mother and her son!" yep agree with this | |||
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"Mummy Mummy how do I start yet another debate about immigration and or foreigners and get away with racist comments without getting accused of being racist? Well Jimmy, couch the whole thing in a hypothetical conversation between and mother and her son! yep agree with this " Why do you agree? | |||
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that? I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. You can of course say no, but to save me trawling through yet another thread...how about just restating, clearly and unambiguously, what the key points you are making are? My point is that many people voted leave due to their negative experiences of the mass uncontrolled immigration from EU. A protest vote if you like but many felt it was their only way of being heard after decades of being ignored by their political party of choice. Some were accused of being bigoted racists. Remember the Gordon Brown incident? Some people here won’t accept that. The example given in my OP is based on a true story. Only one example I know." how old was the kid in this example. And do you have any more insight into their thoughts on the macroeconomic issues? I wonder why the kid thought the mum would vote leave because of the Poles. They must be very politically engaged ! | |||
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"@_ebjonnson how about starting again and unambiguously make your points? I *think* you are trying to say that immigration has both positive and negative aspects that impact on different communities and individuals in different ways. I think the dangerous territory when discussing anything like this is false equivalence, implying connections or cause based on people’s attributes (inc race and religion), and generalisation. So trying to be humorous or flippant in relation to serious stuff requires a great deal of skill and is something even the best social commentators or comedians sometimes get wrong (Jimmy Carr for example). So instead of trying to be clever, why not spell out exactly what it is you are trying to say so there is no room for ambiguity, misunderstanding or misrepresentation. Can you do that? I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks indeed for a considered post. This OP was only ambiguous as it was a follow on from comments on a post that reached the limit. The comments when it comes to the subjects of Brexit and immigration ‘challenges’ if I can say that? show how divided we are and how some people seek to find offence when none was made. They then like to seize on what they think is a negative issue and ignore the full comment. There are a few that also like to assume all the time. Takes all sorts I guess. Some like to think I am racist and they will never change that opinion or realise they are wrong. I am of course nothing of the sort. You can of course say no, but to save me trawling through yet another thread...how about just restating, clearly and unambiguously, what the key points you are making are? My point is that many people voted leave due to their negative experiences of the mass uncontrolled immigration from EU. A protest vote if you like but many felt it was their only way of being heard after decades of being ignored by their political party of choice. Some were accused of being bigoted racists. Remember the Gordon Brown incident? Some people here won’t accept that. The example given in my OP is based on a true story. Only one example I know.how old was the kid in this example. And do you have any more insight into their thoughts on the macroeconomic issues? I wonder why the kid thought the mum would vote leave because of the Poles. They must be very politically engaged ! " He must be quite young as he called his mother ‘mummy ‘ | |||
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"Ok, to some extent I agree with that latest post by @sebjohnnson. There is a maxim (which still isn’t wholly true but for the most part works) that not everyone who voted Leave were racists but everyone who is racist voted Leave. Not listening, or dismissing concerns, about uncontrolled immigration was a big mistake by UK govts Blue and Red. However, certain people/groups stoked the fire on this one pointing the finger of blame for almost everything on immigrants when the truth was actually nothing of the sort. NHS waiting times, School places etc were the fault of chronic under-investment and a lack of forward planning. ie Govt fault. Apparent wage suppression was also a fallacy because, certainly in the “trades” British workers had for years been over-pricing themselves. The whole “coming over here taking our jobs” has also proven false! The number of vacancies demonstrate two things: 1) We do not have enough workers. 2) British workers are not prepared to do the hard/shit jobs the immigrants did (even with uplifted salaries - which will cause product price rises wiping out the benefit of the higher wage). Immigration was successfully weaponised by certain groups to steer enough of the public to vote Leave. It played on emotion rather than logic. And yes, many people used it as a protest vote. So immigration was in large part to blame for the way many people voted but that was based on ignorance for many and racism for some. But continually pointing the finger at people from different countries coming here illegally, does start to indicate a pattern of thought that I think others can be forgiven for identifying as racist. It isn’t what is said, it is how it is said and the intent behind what is said." I agree. Weaponsied is the right word. However it doesn't help the brefit cause that so many threads tie in brexit and non EU immigration. The previous thread was in Albanians. Somehow got on to brexit. This thread was in brexit. Very quickly got onto Albanians, Africans and Asians. While that doesn't mean racism, it frustrates people who are also told "we know what we voted for". Ironically, a vote for leave was probably a vote for more refugees! | |||
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"Ok, to some extent I agree with that latest post by @sebjohnnson. There is a maxim (which still isn’t wholly true but for the most part works) that not everyone who voted Leave were racists but everyone who is racist voted Leave. Not listening, or dismissing concerns, about uncontrolled immigration was a big mistake by UK govts Blue and Red. However, certain people/groups stoked the fire on this one pointing the finger of blame for almost everything on immigrants when the truth was actually nothing of the sort. NHS waiting times, School places etc were the fault of chronic under-investment and a lack of forward planning. ie Govt fault. Apparent wage suppression was also a fallacy because, certainly in the “trades” British workers had for years been over-pricing themselves. The whole “coming over here taking our jobs” has also proven false! The number of vacancies demonstrate two things: 1) We do not have enough workers. 2) British workers are not prepared to do the hard/shit jobs the immigrants did (even with uplifted salaries - which will cause product price rises wiping out the benefit of the higher wage). Immigration was successfully weaponised by certain groups to steer enough of the public to vote Leave. It played on emotion rather than logic. And yes, many people used it as a protest vote. So immigration was in large part to blame for the way many people voted but that was based on ignorance for many and racism for some. But continually pointing the finger at people from different countries coming here illegally, does start to indicate a pattern of thought that I think others can be forgiven for identifying as racist. It isn’t what is said, it is how it is said and the intent behind what is said.I agree. Weaponsied is the right word. However it doesn't help the brefit cause that so many threads tie in brexit and non EU immigration. The previous thread was in Albanians. Somehow got on to brexit. This thread was in brexit. Very quickly got onto Albanians, Africans and Asians. While that doesn't mean racism, it frustrates people who are also told "we know what we voted for". Ironically, a vote for leave was probably a vote for more refugees! " Completely agree. Unfortunately for many it was/is brown and black skinned people they have an issue with. The non-EU Europeans is interesting too and not being able to face that 40% Albanians thread, I am confused by it. I doubt many of the complainers would really be bothered by a French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian person working in the UK. It just seems for some once you move further south east and south then those people aren’t acceptable. | |||
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