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Logical Fallacy of the Day: False Cause
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"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax." A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not?" I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least. | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least." I think there is a link and that it amounts to criminal negligence on the part of Boris and his government. However, I do not think it will make it to court, even after any public inquiry findings, due - as you say - to the level of proof required. | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least. I think there is a link and that it amounts to criminal negligence on the part of Boris and his government. However, I do not think it will make it to court, even after any public inquiry findings, due - as you say - to the level of proof required." I think you are most likely right. What I meant by what level of burden of proof is required. I think Boris mishandled it at every stage placing companies over people every step of the way. But without the data and the info from inside relevant meetings... | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least. I think there is a link and that it amounts to criminal negligence on the part of Boris and his government. However, I do not think it will make it to court, even after any public inquiry findings, due - as you say - to the level of proof required. I think you are most likely right. What I meant by what level of burden of proof is required. I think Boris mishandled it at every stage placing companies over people every step of the way. But without the data and the info from inside relevant meetings..." to get any "conviction" you'd need to show a) cause and b) negligence imo. With exponential growth any delay was going to cause extra deaths. But any action has to be balanced with the pros and cons of taking that action based on the evidence at the time. And the really tricky part is we will never really know what the alternative futures looked like. (My view is that there were multiple decisions made, someo of which were possibly causes of death yet avoidable at the time. Eg care homes. We should have also been quicker on big group gatherings. That was a no brainer with relatively minor knock on effects. Lockdown itself, trickier to show as a more complex set of decisions) | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least. I think there is a link and that it amounts to criminal negligence on the part of Boris and his government. However, I do not think it will make it to court, even after any public inquiry findings, due - as you say - to the level of proof required. I think you are most likely right. What I meant by what level of burden of proof is required. I think Boris mishandled it at every stage placing companies over people every step of the way. But without the data and the info from inside relevant meetings..." Indeed. He'll get his knighthood and seat in the HoL. Instead of the prison sentence - or community service - he deserves. | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least. I think there is a link and that it amounts to criminal negligence on the part of Boris and his government. However, I do not think it will make it to court, even after any public inquiry findings, due - as you say - to the level of proof required. I think you are most likely right. What I meant by what level of burden of proof is required. I think Boris mishandled it at every stage placing companies over people every step of the way. But without the data and the info from inside relevant meetings...to get any "conviction" you'd need to show a) cause and b) negligence imo. With exponential growth any delay was going to cause extra deaths. But any action has to be balanced with the pros and cons of taking that action based on the evidence at the time. And the really tricky part is we will never really know what the alternative futures looked like. (My view is that there were multiple decisions made, someo of which were possibly causes of death yet avoidable at the time. Eg care homes. We should have also been quicker on big group gatherings. That was a no brainer with relatively minor knock on effects. Lockdown itself, trickier to show as a more complex set of decisions)" Indeed. There won't be any trial, never mind a conviction. The available evidence was more than clear enough to justify locking the UK - an island - down a month earlier than it did. However, a government more concerned with money than people's lives - as it continues to be - wasn't ever going to do that. And it didn't. People died - due to government inaction to protect them from exposure to a known, deadly, virus - who did not have to. Tory governments, in particular, love to remind us that: "The first duty of the government is to keep citizens safe and the country secure." If nothing else, it really is provable that they utterly failed in that duty. Although, many Tories, some of them still in government, consider that tens of thousands of preventable deaths don't really count as a failure. | |||
"When you presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other. Many people confuse correlation (things happening together or in sequence) for causation (that one thing actually causes the other to happen). Sometimes correlation is coincidental, or it may be attributable to a common cause. Example: Pointing to a fancy chart, Roger shows how temperatures have been rising over the past few centuries, whilst at the same time the numbers of pirates have been decreasing; thus pirates cool the world and global warming is a hoax. A fellow More Or Less listener, I take it? How do you feel about government inaction leading to unnecessary Covid deaths? Provable link, or not? I don't know that actually, but I will look into it, these are taken from the web site yourlogicalfallacyis dot com Provable Link? Depends on what level the burden of proof needs to be, I say it is a credible link at the VERY least. I think there is a link and that it amounts to criminal negligence on the part of Boris and his government. However, I do not think it will make it to court, even after any public inquiry findings, due - as you say - to the level of proof required. I think you are most likely right. What I meant by what level of burden of proof is required. I think Boris mishandled it at every stage placing companies over people every step of the way. But without the data and the info from inside relevant meetings...to get any "conviction" you'd need to show a) cause and b) negligence imo. With exponential growth any delay was going to cause extra deaths. But any action has to be balanced with the pros and cons of taking that action based on the evidence at the time. And the really tricky part is we will never really know what the alternative futures looked like. (My view is that there were multiple decisions made, someo of which were possibly causes of death yet avoidable at the time. Eg care homes. We should have also been quicker on big group gatherings. That was a no brainer with relatively minor knock on effects. Lockdown itself, trickier to show as a more complex set of decisions) Indeed. There won't be any trial, never mind a conviction. The available evidence was more than clear enough to justify locking the UK - an island - down a month earlier than it did. However, a government more concerned with money than people's lives - as it continues to be - wasn't ever going to do that. And it didn't. People died - due to government inaction to protect them from exposure to a known, deadly, virus - who did not have to. Tory governments, in particular, love to remind us that: "The first duty of the government is to keep citizens safe and the country secure." If nothing else, it really is provable that they utterly failed in that duty. Although, many Tories, some of them still in government, consider that tens of thousands of preventable deaths don't really count as a failure." Tories are generally glass half full type of people. | |||
