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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Part of the problem is that many/most of our policy makers are insulated from the impact of their policies. If they can afford to ride out the rising cost of utilities and not make a choice between heat and food, then they can never truly understand.
For me that is a particularly good reason why someone like Sunak should never be PM. He simply cannot, and has never had to, understand what it is like to go without or live in fear of debt. |
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"Will they learn anything when they sit back and watch the upcoming recession ?
Will they proclaim how much worse it would have been were it not for brexit ?
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Why would they need to learn anything? The Tories and their donors make millions from disaster capitalism. A recession is an optimal situation for the government. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Part of the problem is that many/most of our policy makers are insulated from the impact of their policies. If they can afford to ride out the rising cost of utilities and not make a choice between heat and food, then they can never truly understand.
For me that is a particularly good reason why someone like Sunak should never be PM. He simply cannot, and has never had to, understand what it is like to go without or live in fear of debt."
I don't agree with this idea that someone who has money or hasn't had a hardship can't be a leader of a country, an MP or anyone that is working in a high profile position.
It shouldn't matter what their wealth status or past wealth or none wealth history is, it should be the best person for the job.
I hear this a lot and it seems a trickle down from more radical groups that cut people from their tribes because, they don't suffer enough. I haven't worded that very well, but if you give it a moments thought it will hopefully make sense.
We seem to be aiming at every decreasing circles and the only person left standing will be the one that nobody can be worse off than.
I'm not backing a future PM here, it is my thoughts on how we as a society are starting to become very dismissive unless someone can prove they have suffered, and then its not enough, because there is always someone who has suffered more. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Will they learn anything when they sit back and watch the upcoming recession ?
Will they proclaim how much worse it would have been were it not for brexit ?
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To be honest that is where I think Liz truss got absolutely battered in the sky debate last night.. and why she won’t do a sit down with Andrew Neil
I think her economic policy have the very very huge risk of blowing up in peoples faces just in the run up to a potential general election |
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"Part of the problem is that many/most of our policy makers are insulated from the impact of their policies. If they can afford to ride out the rising cost of utilities and not make a choice between heat and food, then they can never truly understand.
For me that is a particularly good reason why someone like Sunak should never be PM. He simply cannot, and has never had to, understand what it is like to go without or live in fear of debt.
I don't agree with this idea that someone who has money or hasn't had a hardship can't be a leader of a country, an MP or anyone that is working in a high profile position.
It shouldn't matter what their wealth status or past wealth or none wealth history is, it should be the best person for the job.
I hear this a lot and it seems a trickle down from more radical groups that cut people from their tribes because, they don't suffer enough. I haven't worded that very well, but if you give it a moments thought it will hopefully make sense.
We seem to be aiming at every decreasing circles and the only person left standing will be the one that nobody can be worse off than.
I'm not backing a future PM here, it is my thoughts on how we as a society are starting to become very dismissive unless someone can prove they have suffered, and then its not enough, because there is always someone who has suffered more."
I agree. People will say things like 'if only we had a woman in charge' or 'if only we had someone who is from a working-class background and went to a state school' then they'd be able to sympathise with people better. Margaret Thatcher was a state educated woman from a working-class background and that didn't exactly workout great for the British working-class |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
My thoughts on Rishi are this.
Yes he’s hasn’t known poverty so can’t sympathise. Most people haven’t so they equally can’t if you use that measure.
My belief is that with his wealth he’s not easily influenced by others wealth. So no JCB or Goldsmith freebies like Johnson. No private planes to look good because you can like Truss and also no Russian parties to suck up to the worlds elite. They will be well aware he’s not going to be impressed by their mega yachts .
I think his wealth in this case is a positive. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"My thoughts on Rishi are this.
Yes he’s hasn’t known poverty so can’t sympathise. Most people haven’t so they equally can’t if you use that measure.
My belief is that with his wealth he’s not easily influenced by others wealth. So no JCB or Goldsmith freebies like Johnson. No private planes to look good because you can like Truss and also no Russian parties to suck up to the worlds elite. They will be well aware he’s not going to be impressed by their mega yachts .
I think his wealth in this case is a positive. "
I like this critical thinking  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Part of the problem is that many/most of our policy makers are insulated from the impact of their policies. If they can afford to ride out the rising cost of utilities and not make a choice between heat and food, then they can never truly understand.
For me that is a particularly good reason why someone like Sunak should never be PM. He simply cannot, and has never had to, understand what it is like to go without or live in fear of debt.
I don't agree with this idea that someone who has money or hasn't had a hardship can't be a leader of a country, an MP or anyone that is working in a high profile position.
It shouldn't matter what their wealth status or past wealth or none wealth history is, it should be the best person for the job.
I hear this a lot and it seems a trickle down from more radical groups that cut people from their tribes because, they don't suffer enough. I haven't worded that very well, but if you give it a moments thought it will hopefully make sense.
We seem to be aiming at every decreasing circles and the only person left standing will be the one that nobody can be worse off than.
I'm not backing a future PM here, it is my thoughts on how we as a society are starting to become very dismissive unless someone can prove they have suffered, and then its not enough, because there is always someone who has suffered more."
Fair points and maybe my OP was not worded quite right. It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
In all my observations of Sunak, he simply does not have that. If he did the terrible optics on some of his personal/family actions would have been handled far better. However, I do not think it even occurred to him!
I am not saying someone who is wealthy cannot be in politics, that would be silly. It was more a comment on true empathy.
Also see a later comment by @Jackal re Sunak being more insulated from bribery/influence due to his personal wealth. Hmmm interesting thought but I do not buy that. The scale just changes! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Also just to add, all our opinions are shaped by personal experience. Much as we may be intelligent and well read, our lived experiences shape us far more deeply that our expanded intellects.
I know people who are pretty wealthy (actually on a national scale very wealthy and in the 1%) who cane from nothing. Grew up on council estates, state educated etc. Worked hard. Were smart. A bit lucky. Made a lot of money. They remember being poor. Interestingly those who went to work in the City (remember this is my experience of the people I know) tend to be assholes who say things like “look what I have achieved through hard work, the poor only have themselves to blame yadda yadda”. However, those who built businesses etc tend to have far more empathy and have not lost their roots.
Perhaps the difference is that City “boys” are pretty much glorified gamblers. Their numeracy has allowed to get rich by gambling other people’s money but they somehow believe they achieved their wealth off their own back. They didn’t.
Sunak was a “city boy” and some of his actions (clearly not just him) contributed to the 2007/2008 financial crisis.
I am just rambling now. Clearly I do not like him, respect him or trust him. Problem is the alternative is a mad sick puppet called Truss  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Also just to add, all our opinions are shaped by personal experience. Much as we may be intelligent and well read, our lived experiences shape us far more deeply that our expanded intellects.
I know people who are pretty wealthy (actually on a national scale very wealthy and in the 1%) who cane from nothing. Grew up on council estates, state educated etc. Worked hard. Were smart. A bit lucky. Made a lot of money. They remember being poor. Interestingly those who went to work in the City (remember this is my experience of the people I know) tend to be assholes who say things like “look what I have achieved through hard work, the poor only have themselves to blame yadda yadda”. However, those who built businesses etc tend to have far more empathy and have not lost their roots.
Perhaps the difference is that City “boys” are pretty much glorified gamblers. Their numeracy has allowed to get rich by gambling other people’s money but they somehow believe they achieved their wealth off their own back. They didn’t.
Sunak was a “city boy” and some of his actions (clearly not just him) contributed to the 2007/2008 financial crisis.
I am just rambling now. Clearly I do not like him, respect him or trust him. Problem is the alternative is a mad sick puppet called Truss "
This post is pretty much sums up what I think most people do when they talk or think about candidates, it basically comes down to trust and how identifiable they are to us. WE use their interviews and policies to justify the gut feel, I think? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Also just to add, all our opinions are shaped by personal experience. Much as we may be intelligent and well read, our lived experiences shape us far more deeply that our expanded intellects.
I know people who are pretty wealthy (actually on a national scale very wealthy and in the 1%) who cane from nothing. Grew up on council estates, state educated etc. Worked hard. Were smart. A bit lucky. Made a lot of money. They remember being poor. Interestingly those who went to work in the City (remember this is my experience of the people I know) tend to be assholes who say things like “look what I have achieved through hard work, the poor only have themselves to blame yadda yadda”. However, those who built businesses etc tend to have far more empathy and have not lost their roots.
Perhaps the difference is that City “boys” are pretty much glorified gamblers. Their numeracy has allowed to get rich by gambling other people’s money but they somehow believe they achieved their wealth off their own back. They didn’t.
Sunak was a “city boy” and some of his actions (clearly not just him) contributed to the 2007/2008 financial crisis.
I am just rambling now. Clearly I do not like him, respect him or trust him. Problem is the alternative is a mad sick puppet called Truss "
You may be a good judge of character looking at the Spectators news of Sunak claiming to have taken money away from deprived areas to impress a bunch of Tory supporters.
I personally thought the bias was always handing over more government money towards the wealthier areas anyway so I’m not sure if this is news.
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy."
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics. |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics."
None of which are things this government have a fondness for. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics."
I honestly wish your thoughts were reality but sadly it’s looking like the two choices for leader won’t meet your criteria then .
Truss can’t answer any questions about her new wonderful deals but they are wonderful and she got them done. .
Sunak now panders to the Tory heartland rather than saying actually we need to invest in areas to create opportunity and subsequent wealth.
Also the hundreds of millions in cost for the migrants to Rwanda makes no financial sense and yet they both back it. This can also be said for the policy of ending free movement and imposing borders to trade .both of which make no financial sense compared to any new or planned free trade deals. Even the Bank of England in its non partisan way criticised the feee movement . Where’s the workers?
It appears we have a government populated with clones of our present slogan spouting, lying incumbent.
As we know “fuck business was his mantra!”
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics."
As someone who has witnessed Govt policy development first hand, I can say there is sometimes/often a complete lack of understanding of the full knock on effect or law of unintended consequences.
I would argue that the Government is there to serve the citizens and no Govt should therefore do something that harms or is detrimental to those citizens. |
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Capitalism has always been boom and bust. A few people (usually the same few) always make a fortune from both scenarios. It's almost as if it was planned that way.
I didn't buy shares in bacofoil, but perhaps I should! |
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over a year ago
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"Will they learn anything when they sit back and watch the upcoming recession ?
Will they proclaim how much worse it would have been were it not for brexit ?
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We don't have a government. There's not even a lying bafoon at the tiller |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Will they learn anything when they sit back and watch the upcoming recession ?
Will they proclaim how much worse it would have been were it not for brexit ?
We don't have a government. There's not even a lying bafoon at the tiller"
Titanic hit an Iceberg with someone at the helme and acted to reduce the impact, saving many lives. The UK is heading for its biggest ever Iceberg with no one in the bridge.
When you rock a boat too hard, they tend to take on water and sink. Brexit, COVID, Ukraine, China and now Taiwan.
Glug - Glug
Boris in the Caribbean again on his well deserved undeclared holiday? |
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"Will they learn anything when they sit back and watch the upcoming recession ?
Will they proclaim how much worse it would have been were it not for brexit ?
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Learn anything? LOL
The real tragedy is that the UK is heading for multiple crises, after having barely scraped through a major one - the after effects of which are still with us - as utterly ill equipped, in terms of leadership and strategy, as it was the day Johnson became PM.
The Tories are - yet again - being faced with a choice between doing the right thing and protecting the wealth of the minority.
They can't hack it - they have to do the latter, it's in their DNA - but not doing the former might cost them votes. Even in England.
The problem with Liz Truss is that, although she realises change is necessary - change isn't what she wants. She wants the same result, from a different method.
That's fair enough, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
However, there's a very good chance the change she wants may well not be the change the majority of UK voters want.
Certainly, they aren't being asked. |
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This form of Tory govt will never end as it seems the English will even vote against there own self interest to reward us with another chinless wonder. How bad does it have to get before the electorate wake up. We even had Sunak admit they were dismantling Labour policy of giving to deprived areas , to "Reward" Tory areas with better floral displays or some other quaint notions. Time for change ,we can all see it apart from the English it seems. |
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"This form of Tory govt will never end as it seems the English will even vote against there own self interest to reward us with another chinless wonder. How bad does it have to get before the electorate wake up. We even had Sunak admit they were dismantling Labour policy of giving to deprived areas , to "Reward" Tory areas with better floral displays or some other quaint notions. Time for change ,we can all see it apart from the English it seems."
The represent the interests of their corporate and billionaire backers. They have money and most of the press on their side. Until the system changes, there's zero motivation for the government to do anything for the people they're supposed to be governing. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics."
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain. |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain."
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people. |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people."
it is odd this is a concern now, rather than other PMs who are more embedded in the old boys network.
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people."
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so. |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so."
Couldn't you say the same thing about Boris Johnson, Theresa May or David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair or John Major all of them had more than enough money to not be tied to the UK. |
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over a year ago
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so."
sounds a bit like Farage then! |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so."
Oh yeah, this is a game to him, doesn't give two shits if he ruins the country. Same as the other Tories. He's no better or worse than them for being ridiculously wealthy. |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so.
Couldn't you say the same thing about Boris Johnson, Theresa May or David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair or John Major all of them had more than enough money to not be tied to the UK."
Johnson for sure. Wherever he is on holiday, let’s hope he doesn’t come back! |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so.
Oh yeah, this is a game to him, doesn't give two shits if he ruins the country. Same as the other Tories. He's no better or worse than them for being ridiculously wealthy."
More than a game I guess. Thatcher would be a good example. Theresa May also. Not sure about Cameron? |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
My concern is that he has no real attachment to this country. I can’t see home seeing out his days in the shires can you? He will fuck off elsewhere as and when it suits him best. I don’t blame him for that and wish I was in a position to do so.sounds a bit like Farage then!"
I think we all wish he would fuck off! |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people."
Well that highlights what I was saying about having empathy towards a certain set of people is not necessary a good thing. |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
Well that highlights what I was saying about having empathy towards a certain set of people is not necessary a good thing. "
Empathy for the people they're supposed to represent would be nice though.
But yeah. None of the current government have this, so Sunak is no worse, and no better. In my opinion. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
Well that highlights what I was saying about having empathy towards a certain set of people is not necessary a good thing.
Empathy for the people they're supposed to represent would be nice though.
But yeah. None of the current government have this, so Sunak is no worse, and no better. In my opinion."
If they come up with the right policies then yes but if they don't then no. To me getting the right policies is what is important |
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
Well that highlights what I was saying about having empathy towards a certain set of people is not necessary a good thing.
Empathy for the people they're supposed to represent would be nice though.
But yeah. None of the current government have this, so Sunak is no worse, and no better. In my opinion.
If they come up with the right policies then yes but if they don't then no. To me getting the right policies is what is important"
I agree. The majority of people don't vote based on policy though.
Just look at the results from the blind policy tests. The Greens always win. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"It is more about real understanding and empathy, not intellectual empathy but actual emotion and gut driven empathy.
It seems to me that emotion and gut-driven empathy are the very last things that I would want policy to be based on.
I want my country's future decided on facts, science, and sound economics.
I agree with this. Personally I'm not fussed how much money a future leader has or does not have. I just want them to make the right decisions to get us through this as best they can. No easy options available and none can predict the future. Sometimes having an empathy towards something can lead to incorrect decision as they follow their heart not their brain.
I suspect the problem some people are suggesting, is that being ultra rich ours Sunak in a position where he might be tempted to make policy decisions based on what will help him and his ultra wealthy pals instead of what's best for the country.
Personally, I don't think that makes much difference from other Tories. But it could be a concern for people.
Well that highlights what I was saying about having empathy towards a certain set of people is not necessary a good thing.
Empathy for the people they're supposed to represent would be nice though.
But yeah. None of the current government have this, so Sunak is no worse, and no better. In my opinion.
If they come up with the right policies then yes but if they don't then no. To me getting the right policies is what is important
I agree. The majority of people don't vote based on policy though.
Just look at the results from the blind policy tests. The Greens always win."
I don't see the new PM calling a GE before they have to. This means whatever policy/direction is decided it will not be part of a vote. Well not by the public anyway. To me its even more important to get it right without pandering to any particular set of people |
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