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The latest idea from Liz truss.. regional pay
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Liz now was to scrap national pay agreements for regional pay where people who live in less expensive parts of the country would get paid less for the same job as someone living elsewhere
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
So much for “levelling up”!
If wages are suppressed in some areas of the UK that keeps property prices low as nobody could otherwise afford to buy/rent.
Conversely if London and the South East has a higher cost of living and people therefore need higher wages to buy/rent it perpetuates the higher property prices.
However, another factor is even more straightforward. If the public sector wants to compete for the best and brightest then it needs to offer a competitive package. You pay peanuts you get monkeys!
Tax Payer Alliance types complain about the cost of public sector and then also complain about quality of service. Less people on less money can only harm quality of service! |
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"Liz now was to scrap national pay agreements for regional pay where people who live in less expensive parts of the country would get paid less for the same job as someone living elsewhere
Agree?? Disagree???"
In most industries pay is dictated by supply and demand not the cost of living in the area. Government should not micro manage pay rates. That said where there are specific local recruitment problems for public sector jobs government needs to provide additional funds to attract in workers to fill those roles. |
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I don't see how this is actionable outside of the central government controlled civil service etc.
I can see it as step one in a series of steps which the end goal is to take away benefits and support from the most vulnerable in society that live in those same "lower cost" areas though. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Liz now was to scrap national pay agreements for regional pay where people who live in less expensive parts of the country would get paid less for the same job as someone living elsewhere
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No chance this will happen. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"A u turn already, she is Boris in a skirt policy wise.."
She had to… this was going to go down like a lead in all those northern seats…
The fact that she also said it would have been an Guinea pig experiment to the force it to nurses, teachers and other public sector workers made it a million times worse! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Ha ha sign of the future. A U-turn in 24hrs!
From Sky...
“...by lunchtime today, Ms Truss' team had released a statement insisting "current levels of public sector pay will absolutely be maintained", adding: "Our hard-working frontline staff are the bed rock of society and there will be no proposal taken forward on regional pay boards for civil servants or public sector workers."
Doesn’t bode well. I guess this lady is for turning! |
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"A u turn already, she is Boris in a skirt policy wise..
She had to… this was going to go down like a lead in all those northern seats…
The fact that she also said it would have been an Guinea pig experiment to the force it to nurses, teachers and other public sector workers made it a million times worse! "
How to convince the red wall Tories, some of whom Boris is blaming for his downfall that your not like him ..  |
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"Ha ha sign of the future. A U-turn in 24hrs!
From Sky...
“...by lunchtime today, Ms Truss' team had released a statement insisting "current levels of public sector pay will absolutely be maintained", adding: "Our hard-working frontline staff are the bed rock of society and there will be no proposal taken forward on regional pay boards for civil servants or public sector workers."
Doesn’t bode well. I guess this lady is for turning!"
Not very Thatcher like at all.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ha ha sign of the future. A U-turn in 24hrs!
From Sky...
“...by lunchtime today, Ms Truss' team had released a statement insisting "current levels of public sector pay will absolutely be maintained", adding: "Our hard-working frontline staff are the bed rock of society and there will be no proposal taken forward on regional pay boards for civil servants or public sector workers."
Doesn’t bode well. I guess this lady is for turning!"
eg this will be managed thru no more pay increases in the north. |
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"A u turn already, she is Boris in a skirt policy wise..
She had to… this was going to go down like a lead in all those northern seats…
The fact that she also said it would have been an Guinea pig experiment to the force it to nurses, teachers and other public sector workers made it a million times worse! "
It didn't age well, eh? Not sure why she doesn't just do it up here though.
After all, it's not like she gives a shit about the Scots - and she has nothing to lose in terms of support.
She's very much like Thatcher that way. LOL |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have to say it is a tricky one.
The real living wage has different rates depend on what part of the country you live in.
There is absolutely no doubt the cost of living is higher in the South East and London and they need to be able to attract staff into the public sector and give them an incentive. However I can see how those outside of these areas would feel hard done by and rightly so.
We need to bring the cost of housing down in the South East and London but that isn't gonna happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Great live up north catch hs2 to the smoke for the money then get back on hs2 to get back up north.  "
Except the cost of the travel will take away any financial benefit. |
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"New levelling down agenda  "
Which is how it will be seen, Truss didn't deny it which given the likes of Rees Mogg were out in front of the camera's yesterday would have been difficult..
Saying she was 'misrepesented' is wishy washy..
This policy will come back in some form if she's PM but after the next GE if they get in again .. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
So much for the levelling up policy.
Just more nonsense from a government devoid of a plan.
The Tories tell you they are tough. So let’s imagine a steel ball.
Now watch that ball being sprung into the the real world of the pin ball machine. They are all over the place and will end up falling down a hole but sadly they are taking us all down that hole with them.
They just want power and don’t care about the cost to ordinary people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What an idiot, she isn’t even in power yet, and she has already made a u turn on policy. Shows her flip floppy mentality.
Has anyone noticed if you put strings on truss she would make the perfect puppet? I keep on thinking thunderbirds villain every time she is on the telly. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"A u turn already, she is Boris in a skirt policy wise.."
which is exactly why the grandees movers and shakers within the party are backing her she is moldable malleable and controllable by the ERG mission accomplished project continued
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
It seems to be a battle of U turns. Rishi took a decent lead with them but Liz is fighting back now. A few more and she can take it to extra time, maybe penalties, though I suspect we are the ones who will get the penalties whoever wins |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"What an idiot, she isn’t even in power yet, and she has already made a u turn on policy. Shows her flip floppy mentality.
Has anyone noticed if you put strings on truss she would make the perfect puppet? I keep on thinking thunderbirds villain every time she is on the telly."
Well for the rest of her tenure that will now be my image too !! Damn you
Very funny. |
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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago
blackpool/preston/normandy france |
Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed" |
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"Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed" "
I don't disagree with any of that but there are no regional differences in the public sector, ignoring London weighting and I think Surrey have an additional payment..
A firefighter in Strathclyde is on the same rate for the role that another one is in Stoke or Weymouth..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed"
I don't disagree with any of that but there are no regional differences in the public sector, ignoring London weighting and I think Surrey have an additional payment..
A firefighter in Strathclyde is on the same rate for the role that another one is in Stoke or Weymouth..
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Some public sector workers do get more money because they work in London or the Southeast and this has been in place for several years including teachers. Also people working in the nhs in London also get more money than those working in the nhs outside of it and again been in place for many years. |
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"Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed"
I don't disagree with any of that but there are no regional differences in the public sector, ignoring London weighting and I think Surrey have an additional payment..
A firefighter in Strathclyde is on the same rate for the role that another one is in Stoke or Weymouth..
Some public sector workers do get more money because they work in London or the Southeast and this has been in place for several years including teachers. Also people working in the nhs in London also get more money than those working in the nhs outside of it and again been in place for many years. "
Yes I know ta.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed"
I don't disagree with any of that but there are no regional differences in the public sector, ignoring London weighting and I think Surrey have an additional payment..
A firefighter in Strathclyde is on the same rate for the role that another one is in Stoke or Weymouth..
Some public sector workers do get more money because they work in London or the Southeast and this has been in place for several years including teachers. Also people working in the nhs in London also get more money than those working in the nhs outside of it and again been in place for many years.
Yes I know ta.."
Well you don't because you said it was just London and Surrey and it isn't it's pretty much the whole of the South East and South.
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"Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed"
I don't disagree with any of that but there are no regional differences in the public sector, ignoring London weighting and I think Surrey have an additional payment..
A firefighter in Strathclyde is on the same rate for the role that another one is in Stoke or Weymouth..
Some public sector workers do get more money because they work in London or the Southeast and this has been in place for several years including teachers. Also people working in the nhs in London also get more money than those working in the nhs outside of it and again been in place for many years.
Yes I know ta..
Well you don't because you said it was just London and Surrey and it isn't it's pretty much the whole of the South East and South.
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Is it not picking day again for you?
Do me a favour as I can't be arsed debating with you and list all the increments I missed out by different county..
I think most reasonable people would have surmised that as I said London weighting and Surrey that they may have got the point..
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"Regional differences in wages already exist. People living in the north of the UK are not paid anything like those in the south. All the levelling up stuff is just crap being spouted by politicians in an effort to make people think they care, which clearly they don't. As far as Truss is concerned her policies change as often as she changes her knickers. She has absolutely no idea what she is doing and is just floundering whenever she is asked a question. Making it up as she goes along until someone points out to her that what she said was not good.
The alternative of the smarmy slick boy Sunak is that he is only interested in what is going to make him and his wife more money. Funny how he kept his wife's non dom status quiet for so long.
Not only that. If he becomes PM he will be the second consecutive PM to have a criminal record, just like Boris. Remember Sunak got fined for covid breaches. Not much being said about it during the current rounds if speeches.
As Private Fraser would have said "We're all doomed"
I don't disagree with any of that but there are no regional differences in the public sector, ignoring London weighting and I think Surrey have an additional payment..
A firefighter in Strathclyde is on the same rate for the role that another one is in Stoke or Weymouth..
Some public sector workers do get more money because they work in London or the Southeast and this has been in place for several years including teachers. Also people working in the nhs in London also get more money than those working in the nhs outside of it and again been in place for many years.
Yes I know ta..
Well you don't because you said it was just London and Surrey and it isn't it's pretty much the whole of the South East and South.
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Oh and I do know, I was a recipient of one for 22 plus years and the wife the Surrey one.. |
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