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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... " North Korea | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea " North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. | |||
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"I think there is the possibility of an economic collapse, what with people not paying mortgages.... so maybe they are not so different than the rest of us... Sheep, basically" Critics of China always say things like "possibility of", "real chance of*," more than likely that" When really none of it has ever happened, instead the Chinese economy thunders ahead, the standard of living increases and the Chinese become stronger.... | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. " We are laughing at you | |||
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"I think there is the possibility of an economic collapse, what with people not paying mortgages.... so maybe they are not so different than the rest of us... Sheep, basically Critics of China always say things like "possibility of", "real chance of*," more than likely that" When really none of it has ever happened, instead the Chinese economy thunders ahead, the standard of living increases and the Chinese become stronger.... " Chinas economy is miles behind the US economy | |||
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"I think there is the possibility of an economic collapse, what with people not paying mortgages.... so maybe they are not so different than the rest of us... Sheep, basically Critics of China always say things like "possibility of", "real chance of*," more than likely that" When really none of it has ever happened, instead the Chinese economy thunders ahead, the standard of living increases and the Chinese become stronger.... Chinas economy is miles behind the US economy " Every economist on the planet recognises chinas economy will surpass that of the US within a ten to twenty year window. | |||
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"I think there is the possibility of an economic collapse, what with people not paying mortgages.... so maybe they are not so different than the rest of us... Sheep, basically Critics of China always say things like "possibility of", "real chance of*," more than likely that" When really none of it has ever happened, instead the Chinese economy thunders ahead, the standard of living increases and the Chinese become stronger.... Chinas economy is miles behind the US economy Every economist on the planet recognises chinas economy will surpass that of the US within a ten to twenty year window. " Rubbish , per person, their economy is pathetic | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, " This isn't true. | |||
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"I think there is the possibility of an economic collapse, what with people not paying mortgages.... so maybe they are not so different than the rest of us... Sheep, basically Critics of China always say things like "possibility of", "real chance of*," more than likely that" When really none of it has ever happened, instead the Chinese economy thunders ahead, the standard of living increases and the Chinese become stronger.... Chinas economy is miles behind the US economy Every economist on the planet recognises chinas economy will surpass that of the US within a ten to twenty year window. " If these plases are so great what are you doing here ? | |||
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"I think there is the possibility of an economic collapse, what with people not paying mortgages.... so maybe they are not so different than the rest of us... Sheep, basically Critics of China always say things like "possibility of", "real chance of*," more than likely that" When really none of it has ever happened, instead the Chinese economy thunders ahead, the standard of living increases and the Chinese become stronger.... Chinas economy is miles behind the US economy Every economist on the planet recognises chinas economy will surpass that of the US within a ten to twenty year window. If these plases are so great what are you doing here ? " Good question. Every Russian or Chinese person that I’ve ever known , as soon as they make some money they get it out of those morally bankrupt corrupt shitholes, then they get their families out, finally themselves. At least China can manufacture things. Russia can’t even make a fridge! | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism " That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. " When were you last there? | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. " Chinas GDP per capita is pathetic | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. " No monopolies? Apart from the state having a proxy monopoly on essentially everything and no business getting done unless they allow it and it benefits their members. It's not Communism it's State Capitalism | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. No monopolies? Apart from the state having a proxy monopoly on essentially everything and no business getting done unless they allow it and it benefits their members. It's not Communism it's State Capitalism " Great description | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. " Complete and utter horse shit. | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. " have you ever been there ? | |||
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"82 million people in China live on less than a dollar a day. And that's from their own governments official statistics, so the number is probably much higher. Also you say they stayed true to their Marxist ideals, yet one of the main reasons for their economic success has been a massive shift towards capitalism. How does a country that is apparently sticking rigidly to communism have an ever increasing amount of millionaires and billionaires? You can only do well for yourself if you're a member of the CCP, which there's a massive waiting list for. It's basically the epitome of Crony capitalism That's simply not true. The chinese have stayed true to their maoist principles, there are those who do well in China but there are no monopolies. Certainly the country has to deal with capitalist economies on trade and must be flexible. have you ever been there ?" Luckily I have. however the country has changed a lot since I was there twenty years ago with massive infrastructure projects now completed. I was struck by how friendly the people were and the difference in culture, everyone seemed so busy and occupied. I would certainly like to go again. I did the standard tourist things like visit the wall,but I'd like to explore the cities more. Of course the language barrier is not easy and it's not an easy place to travel for a westerner. | |||
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"Also if it's the utopia you believe it is you could look into getting a visa and moving there. There's a lot of westerners who live and work out there. Why stay in this decadent, dystopian capitalist shithole longer than you have to? You could be living in a country with zero poverty and with a perfect economy" Its tempting.. Certainly there is no bright future for the EU and the Uk. Its accepted that we are heading for a deep economic recession and an energy and cost of living crisis. However it would be a huge cultural shift and the language barrier is formidable. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. Complete and utter horse shit." What is your particular issue? | |||
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"Also if it's the utopia you believe it is you could look into getting a visa and moving there. There's a lot of westerners who live and work out there. Why stay in this decadent, dystopian capitalist shithole longer than you have to? You could be living in a country with zero poverty and with a perfect economy Its tempting.. Certainly there is no bright future for the EU and the Uk. Its accepted that we are heading for a deep economic recession and an energy and cost of living crisis. However it would be a huge cultural shift and the language barrier is formidable. " You will be fine, go for it, and keep us posted on how you are getting on  | |||
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"We had a 2015 MG branded car. The parts are made in China and its assembled locally in Europe. It's pretty much a Chinese make now. Our MG3 died after doing less than 34,000 miles due to the timing chain in the engine snapping. They make knock-offs of things so we can't really agree with the 'superior products' argument." At my work we have a Chinese forklift. It goes through so many ignition barrels it's scary. Trouble is the company keeps buying replacement barrels from China so they last about 6 months and need replacing. Yes they are cheap at first but more expensive given the constant repairs and out of action time | |||
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"We had a 2015 MG branded car. The parts are made in China and its assembled locally in Europe. It's pretty much a Chinese make now. Our MG3 died after doing less than 34,000 miles due to the timing chain in the engine snapping. They make knock-offs of things so we can't really agree with the 'superior products' argument." I guess everyone has personal stories, some good some bad. | |||
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"We had a 2015 MG branded car. The parts are made in China and its assembled locally in Europe. It's pretty much a Chinese make now. Our MG3 died after doing less than 34,000 miles due to the timing chain in the engine snapping. They make knock-offs of things so we can't really agree with the 'superior products' argument. I guess everyone has personal stories, some good some bad. " Mostly bad. Who would happily fly in a Chinese or Russian built passenger rail plane? | |||
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"The Chinese have eradicated poverty? I know a few people who have travelled there and were shocked by the levels of poverty they witnessed" I’ve been there a lot and seen so many things. People working in disgusting conditions, but I’ve also seen some amazing things. I just hope that the growth of a real savvy younger middle class will no longer tolerate the shit imposed from those boring old fucking relics running the country. | |||
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"The Chinese have eradicated poverty? I know a few people who have travelled there and were shocked by the levels of poverty they witnessed" Its subjective. I went to San Francisco and was genuinely shocked at the levels of poverty I saw. It was a huge shock to see people living in the street in vast numbers begging for money, food and charity, it was like a scene from an apocalyptic film. What was worse is that someone told me the same day that the city had significantly reduced its homeless population by booting them out to Los Angeles where I belueve people are now living under every single available bridge. | |||
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"The Chinese have eradicated poverty? I know a few people who have travelled there and were shocked by the levels of poverty they witnessed Its subjective. I went to San Francisco and was genuinely shocked at the levels of poverty I saw. It was a huge shock to see people living in the street in vast numbers begging for money, food and charity, it was like a scene from an apocalyptic film. What was worse is that someone told me the same day that the city had significantly reduced its homeless population by booting them out to Los Angeles where I belueve people are now living under every single available bridge. " The above is true but you said the Chinese have eradicated poverty | |||
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"The Chinese have eradicated poverty? I know a few people who have travelled there and were shocked by the levels of poverty they witnessed Its subjective. I went to San Francisco and was genuinely shocked at the levels of poverty I saw. It was a huge shock to see people living in the street in vast numbers begging for money, food and charity, it was like a scene from an apocalyptic film. What was worse is that someone told me the same day that the city had significantly reduced its homeless population by booting them out to Los Angeles where I belueve people are now living under every single available bridge. " I've spent a lot of time in China on and off for the past ten years. The levels of poverty there are brutal. | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't)" You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs " We have never had it so good at least china has a target for reducing child poverty, just a pity we do not have a target to reduce child poverty. | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs " I would argue if theirs is getting better and ours is getting worse that is the textbook definition of handling it better! | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs I would argue if theirs is getting better and ours is getting worse that is the textbook definition of handling it better!" Not really as the standards are so much lower its easier to raise or maintain standards. If you're basically starting from scratch in terms of eradicating poverty any improvements are going to seem massive. There is extreme poverty in this country and as I say it's got worse under the Tories but the levels of poverty here are still nowhere near the levels in China and it would take decades of them improving and us declining before they're better. Also the pay off for that improvement is a complete lack of free speech and democracy. You describe yourself as outspoken and like to give your opinion on things. There's no way you could do that in China without facing some form of punishment. And trans rights are even worse there than they are here | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... " What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. | |||
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""China.... An amazing success story" It's definitely improved, economically, since it was allowed into the WTO after adopting capitalist methods to allow its economy to grow. Obviously, those capitalist measures include the exploitation of billions of employees - the sort our Tory and Republican leaders can only dream of. That's only possible because China is a police state, not a democracy; where people have rights and can challenge the government and/or their employers. It's better than it was - but you wouldn't want to live there any more than I would. For all the UK's flaws - and there are many, which are about to get much worse - you and I enjoy a level of freedom the Chinese government denies to all of its citizens. Btw, on the "China.... An amazing success story" front ... Nazi Germany was considered an amazing success story, for a while. It was even lauded by Daily Mail readers who thought the British Union of Fascists was a good idea. Success - and the price it comes at - is subjective; and relative." China was helped by a migrant ‘peasant’ based workforce of 300 million moving from the land to Industry. I guess you can only get away with that for so long? I have in recent years met many young very well educated savvy switched on people - men & women. A change is going to come. | |||
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"The Chinese have eradicated poverty? I know a few people who have travelled there and were shocked by the levels of poverty they witnessed Its subjective. I went to San Francisco and was genuinely shocked at the levels of poverty I saw. It was a huge shock to see people living in the street in vast numbers begging for money, food and charity, it was like a scene from an apocalyptic film. What was worse is that someone told me the same day that the city had significantly reduced its homeless population by booting them out to Los Angeles where I belueve people are now living under every single available bridge. The above is true but you said the Chinese have eradicated poverty" They have. People Here are using western cultural motifs and definitions to define poverty but when I say poverty I mean real poverty as experienced In Chinese history starving to death, ravaged by famine without any state help or intervention or access to modern care | |||
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"A couple of points. China didn't eradicate poverty. But they did make progress in bringing a big percentage of people out of poverty. Secondly, China didn't achieve it by following Marxist principles. When they followed it during the time of Mao, it resulted in death of over 10 million people. They managed to progress only after embracing capitalism sector by sector. So yeah. Thanks to capitalism. " You have no idea what you are talking about. This is a notable theme in every post you make be it on Russia, China or anywhere else. I do applaud your steadfast indifference and ignorance to basic history, politics and economics. You simply plough ahead regardless that what you write is self evidently complete nonsense (as in the above, which is genuinely ludicrous and laughable as any gcse economic or history student would tell you) | |||
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"The Chinese have eradicated poverty? I know a few people who have travelled there and were shocked by the levels of poverty they witnessed Its subjective. I went to San Francisco and was genuinely shocked at the levels of poverty I saw. It was a huge shock to see people living in the street in vast numbers begging for money, food and charity, it was like a scene from an apocalyptic film. What was worse is that someone told me the same day that the city had significantly reduced its homeless population by booting them out to Los Angeles where I belueve people are now living under every single available bridge. The above is true but you said the Chinese have eradicated poverty They have. People Here are using western cultural motifs and definitions to define poverty but when I say poverty I mean real poverty as experienced In Chinese history starving to death, ravaged by famine without any state help or intervention or access to modern care " Do you need a hand moving those goalposts? | |||
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""China.... An amazing success story" It's definitely improved, economically, since it was allowed into the WTO after adopting capitalist methods to allow its economy to grow. Obviously, those capitalist measures include the exploitation of billions of employees - the sort our Tory and Republican leaders can only dream of. That's only possible because China is a police state, not a democracy; where people have rights and can challenge the government and/or their employers. It's better than it was - but you wouldn't want to live there any more than I would. For all the UK's flaws - and there are many, which are about to get much worse - you and I enjoy a level of freedom the Chinese government denies to all of its citizens. Btw, on the "China.... An amazing success story" front ... Nazi Germany was considered an amazing success story, for a while. It was even lauded by Daily Mail readers who thought the British Union of Fascists was a good idea. Success - and the price it comes at - is subjective; and relative." What you have to understand is that the culture of China is not the culture of the west. I've spoken to many Chinese people and that they cannot understand how we don't feel scared living in a country where there is so much crime and violence and social unrest,drugs and alcohol abuse. What they say is not wrong. However it's cultural. Be very careful of imposing your own cultural norms on another culture, that is imperialism and a colonial outlook... | |||
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"Also if it's the utopia you believe it is you could look into getting a visa and moving there. There's a lot of westerners who live and work out there. Why stay in this decadent, dystopian capitalist shithole longer than you have to? You could be living in a country with zero poverty and with a perfect economy Its tempting.. Certainly there is no bright future for the EU and the Uk. Its accepted that we are heading for a deep economic recession and an energy and cost of living crisis. However it would be a huge cultural shift and the language barrier is formidable. " But you've said in your previous posts how amazing their culture is and how vile and decadent ours is. Surely it wouldn't be so much of a cultural shift as an upgrade? And a lot of westerners work and live out there without speaking a word of Cantonese or mandarin. And the all knowing and all loving CCP would probably pay for you to take lessons. Give it a shot and escape this living hell that is the west and its decadent crumbling democracy | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs I would argue if theirs is getting better and ours is getting worse that is the textbook definition of handling it better! Not really as the standards are so much lower its easier to raise or maintain standards. If you're basically starting from scratch in terms of eradicating poverty any improvements are going to seem massive. There is extreme poverty in this country and as I say it's got worse under the Tories but the levels of poverty here are still nowhere near the levels in China and it would take decades of them improving and us declining before they're better. Also the pay off for that improvement is a complete lack of free speech and democracy. You describe yourself as outspoken and like to give your opinion on things. There's no way you could do that in China without facing some form of punishment. And trans rights are even worse there than they are here" This is just an expression of your own cultural chauvinism on another culture. It's the British colonial mentality "Well they are a bunch of savages who need God and respect for the Queen". The Chinese do not want western democracy. They see its failings and the chaos it had caused. | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs I would argue if theirs is getting better and ours is getting worse that is the textbook definition of handling it better! Not really as the standards are so much lower its easier to raise or maintain standards. If you're basically starting from scratch in terms of eradicating poverty any improvements are going to seem massive. There is extreme poverty in this country and as I say it's got worse under the Tories but the levels of poverty here are still nowhere near the levels in China and it would take decades of them improving and us declining before they're better. Also the pay off for that improvement is a complete lack of free speech and democracy. You describe yourself as outspoken and like to give your opinion on things. There's no way you could do that in China without facing some form of punishment. And trans rights are even worse there than they are here This is just an expression of your own cultural chauvinism on another culture. It's the British colonial mentality "Well they are a bunch of savages who need God and respect for the Queen". The Chinese do not want western democracy. They see its failings and the chaos it had caused. " Yeh that's exactly what I said. Word for word. Why are you wasting your time here anyway? Shouldn't you be researching on how to obtain your Chinese visa? Seriously, it's got no poverty and hardly any crime from what you've said. Why aren't you booking a one way ticket to Beijing or Shanghai already? | |||
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"Also if it's the utopia you believe it is you could look into getting a visa and moving there. There's a lot of westerners who live and work out there. Why stay in this decadent, dystopian capitalist shithole longer than you have to? You could be living in a country with zero poverty and with a perfect economy Its tempting.. Certainly there is no bright future for the EU and the Uk. Its accepted that we are heading for a deep economic recession and an energy and cost of living crisis. However it would be a huge cultural shift and the language barrier is formidable. But you've said in your previous posts how amazing their culture is and how vile and decadent ours is. Surely it wouldn't be so much of a cultural shift as an upgrade? And a lot of westerners work and live out there without speaking a word of Cantonese or mandarin. And the all knowing and all loving CCP would probably pay for you to take lessons. Give it a shot and escape this living hell that is the west and its decadent crumbling democracy " I'd certainly consider it if a good opportunity came up, however my cultural roots are English and I'm happy in this country. I never said our culture is vile. Our govt is corrupt. Our media is controlled and exists as state propaganda and our standard of living is falling. This is to be expected as any Chinese economist would point out. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. " None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs We have never had it so good at least china has a target for reducing child poverty, just a pity we do not have a target to reduce child poverty." Chinese definition of poverty is rather different to ours... | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. " China has no good intentions, if it really had good intentions it would not be investing so much in massive expansion of its offensive military forces! Your darling Russia should watch its back, it’s looking the wrong way... | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. " Why would they do that? | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. Why would they do that? " The OP is a Russian Ork. Don’t give them oxygen | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs We have never had it so good at least china has a target for reducing child poverty, just a pity we do not have a target to reduce child poverty. Chinese definition of poverty is rather different to ours..." Poverty is poverty according to the Un.read the un report on UK child poverty then read the Un report on China child Poverty. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan." And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. | |||
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"The claim that they eradicated poverty is untrue. They haven't even made that claim. However they have done an astounding job tackling extreme poverty. In 1981 the poverty rate was 88% as of 2022 it is estimated this number is about 13% (in this time they did raise what was considered the poverty line, which means its a bit more impressive.) They have made the claim they have eliminated absolute poverty nationwide which means everyone now has at least (CNY)2,300 per year. Their regular poverty line is a little about triple that amount. So while they haven't eliminated it entirely they have done a better job than us at tackling the worst of it. This info is from Wikipedia but I did look into other sources and it all seemed to track. But I am not a china expert (just like I imagine everyone in this thread likely isn't) You realise 2,300 CNY is less than £300? Over a year that's less than a pound a day, that's not a great measure. You say they've done a better job than 'us' at tackling it. Do you mean the UK specifically? Yes poverty rates have risen under the Tories but even the poorest person here will have more than a pound to live on a day. They obviously had a lot of making up to do in terms of quality of life and like you say they have lifted a lot of people from extreme poverty and that is an amazing achievement, but the quality of life of the average person here is still much higher than the average person in China. We have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than theirs We have never had it so good at least china has a target for reducing child poverty, just a pity we do not have a target to reduce child poverty. Chinese definition of poverty is rather different to ours... Poverty is poverty according to the Un.read the un report on UK child poverty then read the Un report on China child Poverty. " The United nations is a western leaning organisation with clear bias and corruption. I would never trust anything they said re China tbh | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. " No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. | |||
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"Everything China achieved was because of access to Western Capital markets. It will end badly for the CCP as it tries to use capitalism to grow it's internal markets while holding onto power as a totalitarian communist power. Already their are protests in many cities as well as people refusing to pay mortgages as the banking sector is trouble. Whenever communist powers are in decline they either attack a neighbour to secure wealth or crack down on their citizens, you know like the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Also China has a massive demographic problem as its population collapses." Once again you are dealing with "about to happen.." none of what you say is actually happening on the scale you believe. China did take advantage of Western capitalist markets and they have every right to do so. The offer was there, China lent the west capital and if there is one thing China is good at it is making trade and business deals and manufacturing . This is a feature of their history long before communism, China has always explored and sourced markets and there is good evidence that they established trade links with the Roman Empire. The Chinese are extremely savvy business people andvtge people are prepared to work hard as communist culture always emphasises. The Tianamen Square massacre has been much exaggerated in the west, essentially it was a student group infiltrated by Western media and agent provocateurs backed by clandestine CIA backed Chinese agents trying to destabalise the communist regime. It failed. China is rising, it eradicated poverty, its standard of living is rising, its world influence in Africa and the global south is rising. It will be the chief economic power house in the near future. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.." Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? " Taiwan population voted against china rule. Just like Ukraine did with Russia China does not have the capability to take on Taiwan.I hope the plane goes there to prove it's not but bluster | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? " If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. | |||
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"Seriously, what do you get out of threads like this? Is it intentional trolling or do you legitimately believe the stuff you say? Every single person in this thread, from all along the political spectrum, who originally would never agree on anything, has disagreed with you and told you how oppressive the CCP is and how there's lot of poverty in China and its not the amazing country you claim it is. Yet you claim all of them are being fooled by western propaganda. If it was just hard line right-wingers or ultra lefties disagreeing with you, you could argue the point about propaganda. But if literally everyone says you're wrong, maybe they're not all sheeple manipulated by propaganda, maybe you're just wrong" They ARE all being fooled by western propaganda which proves how insidious it is. Unknown to you I've had a dozen or more private messages expressing support and agreement, but they don't want to get involved on the threads and each one of them has said " I totally agree with you but you are dealing with a bunch of sheep, I'm with you" If you want to deny China is an economic powerhouse, that it has eradicated poverty, that its achievements should be celebrated and not scorned, that the CCP works in the interests of the common Chinese citizen and not for the capitalist billionaire class or the wall street banks that the Chinese invest in housing and let small business thrive and want to establish mutually beneficial trade deals in Africa and elsewhere, that do not want to start wars or coup other countries that wants a society which is traditional and Conservative not degenerate and tarnished by drug abuse and alcohol and western identity politics that invests in nuclear fusion research and renewable energy projects, that recognises climate change and who looks forward to technological advances rather than malthusianism policies of degrowth and greenwashing and war. Sure China does not have issues, many are cultural differences with the west, thd Chinese are far more Conservative and traditional than the west. China is certainly not perfect but I belueve thd ccp recognise this and will work towards improvement as thd communist model always suggests. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.." 09-0540 is the flight number. They just turned their transponder off.you can watch on any flight tracker platform. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.." That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? " Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. | |||
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"Seriously, what do you get out of threads like this? Is it intentional trolling or do you legitimately believe the stuff you say? Every single person in this thread, from all along the political spectrum, who originally would never agree on anything, has disagreed with you and told you how oppressive the CCP is and how there's lot of poverty in China and its not the amazing country you claim it is. Yet you claim all of them are being fooled by western propaganda. If it was just hard line right-wingers or ultra lefties disagreeing with you, you could argue the point about propaganda. But if literally everyone says you're wrong, maybe they're not all sheeple manipulated by propaganda, maybe you're just wrong They ARE all being fooled by western propaganda which proves how insidious it is. Unknown to you I've had a dozen or more private messages expressing support and agreement, but they don't want to get involved on the threads and each one of them has said " I totally agree with you but you are dealing with a bunch of sheep, I'm with you" If you want to deny China is an economic powerhouse, that it has eradicated poverty, that its achievements should be celebrated and not scorned, that the CCP works in the interests of the common Chinese citizen and not for the capitalist billionaire class or the wall street banks that the Chinese invest in housing and let small business thrive and want to establish mutually beneficial trade deals in Africa and elsewhere, that do not want to start wars or coup other countries that wants a society which is traditional and Conservative not degenerate and tarnished by drug abuse and alcohol and western identity politics that invests in nuclear fusion research and renewable energy projects, that recognises climate change and who looks forward to technological advances rather than malthusianism policies of degrowth and greenwashing and war. Sure China does not have issues, many are cultural differences with the west, thd Chinese are far more Conservative and traditional than the west. China is certainly not perfect but I belueve thd ccp recognise this and will work towards improvement as thd communist model always suggests. " Of course you have, actually no I'm calling bs on this and offer an invite to some of your fans to pm myself.. I promise not to go ba..  | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden." How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? " How daft. I think you’ll find most residents of the Hawaiian islands quite like being part of America. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? How daft. I think you’ll find most residents of the Hawaiian islands quite like being part of America. " I am going to mention crimea | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? " Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.." No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. " You and your ideals remind me of your definition of Hawaii, strangely.... | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. " Is that in the same way that those oh so sweet Russians brutally occupy most of what is modern day Russia? And brutally occupied much of Eastern Europe? | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. " Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. | |||
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"Seriously, what do you get out of threads like this? Is it intentional trolling or do you legitimately believe the stuff you say? Every single person in this thread, from all along the political spectrum, who originally would never agree on anything, has disagreed with you and told you how oppressive the CCP is and how there's lot of poverty in China and its not the amazing country you claim it is. Yet you claim all of them are being fooled by western propaganda. If it was just hard line right-wingers or ultra lefties disagreeing with you, you could argue the point about propaganda. But if literally everyone says you're wrong, maybe they're not all sheeple manipulated by propaganda, maybe you're just wrong" He gets Rubles . Don’t know why he is still allowed to post. I suppose living in a free society comes at a price  | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. " I note how you don't say country.... | |||
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""China.... An amazing success story" It's definitely improved, economically, since it was allowed into the WTO after adopting capitalist methods to allow its economy to grow. Obviously, those capitalist measures include the exploitation of billions of employees - the sort our Tory and Republican leaders can only dream of. That's only possible because China is a police state, not a democracy; where people have rights and can challenge the government and/or their employers. It's better than it was - but you wouldn't want to live there any more than I would. For all the UK's flaws - and there are many, which are about to get much worse - you and I enjoy a level of freedom the Chinese government denies to all of its citizens. Btw, on the "China.... An amazing success story" front ... Nazi Germany was considered an amazing success story, for a while. It was even lauded by Daily Mail readers who thought the British Union of Fascists was a good idea. Success - and the price it comes at - is subjective; and relative. What you have to understand is that the culture of China is not the culture of the west. I've spoken to many Chinese people and that they cannot understand how we don't feel scared living in a country where there is so much crime and violence and social unrest,drugs and alcohol abuse. What they say is not wrong. However it's cultural. Be very careful of imposing your own cultural norms on another culture, that is imperialism and a colonial outlook... " Oh, I do understand that, completely. It's the attitude that's been behind every catastrophic failure in US/UK foreign policy this century (and more). On a smaller scale, in the UK, Tory Brexit voters and their leaders are trying to impose their very English culture on the whole UK. It won't work - because, unlike in China, we aren't threatened with imprisonment for opposing such an attempt. | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that" Taiwan has chosen - present and future. | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. " I didn't question that... at all | |||
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"The delegation landed so much for china's threats." You didn’t expect a missile launch on touchdown did you? 
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"Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. " 1. It's not as precise as you claim. 2. Taiwan is part of China - it's why the Nationalists went there when they lost the war against Mao. I do not, for a minute, accept that China has the right to invade Taiwan and I'm not convinced they will. China plays the long game and, if they can absorb Taiwan without a war, they will. Even if they do invade - and the West isn't happy about it; all they have to ask is why we're all ok with what Israel did in 1967? That was an illegal war, an act of aggression, a land grab - and based on what? God told us it's ours, so that makes it ok. That's the same argument the Americans used to wipe out most of the indigenous peoples they stole all their land from. It's that double standard that means China, Russia, etc don't take the West seriously. Why should they? They aren't the good guys - not by a long way; but they're only imitating our past behaviours. In fact, like it or not, the Chinese are responsible for far fewer civilian deaths, due to warfare, than the NATO countries, since 1945. Btw, the last time the Chinese fought a technologically superior USA/UN force, they fought it to a standstill - a stalemate still unbroken - and they didn't have nuclear weapons. They do now. To imagine the USA completely defeating China in a stand-up fight is utterly ridiculous. As is the other side of that coin. Neither has the power to defeat the other and survive - which is why we're heading for a divided world; in which the very young experiment with universal suffrage is definitely in peril. Most obviously, in the USA, sadly. | |||
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"The delegation landed so much for china's threats. You didn’t expect a missile launch on touchdown did you?
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... " Have you asked the Chinese people if poverty has been eradicated ? Nah, didn't think so | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... Have you asked the Chinese people if poverty has been eradicated ? Nah, didn't think so" Well I know you haven't | |||
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"The delegation landed so much for china's threats. You didn’t expect a missile launch on touchdown did you?
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... Have you asked the Chinese people if poverty has been eradicated ? Nah, didn't think so" Poverty in China is defined as earning less than $2.30/day.... it’s not a high bar! It’s about 1/25th of what is considered poverty in the UK | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all" ‘Decide it’s own future’? | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all ‘Decide it’s own future’? " You have lost me, how is that questioning it? | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. I note how you don't say country.... " Yes you’re right China wasn’t a country much before that either China formed as a single dynasty around 200BC
As I said thousands of years after the indigenous Taiwanese had converted much of the land to agriculture.
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all ‘Decide it’s own future’? " Puerto Rico will be a 51st state by 2025 the people there voted on it. | |||
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C" I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. We are laughing at you That's because you are what is known as the village idiot. You post juvenile three word nonsense and have nothing meaningful to say. Y If you have nothing to say then don't post. You are simply embarrassing yourself and reaffirming that you are little more than a malicious vindictive forum troll " There's a certain piquant irony in calling another poster a Forum troll. Winston | |||
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts." Please correct me if I'm wrong but; Hitler was a Socialist, Nazism is a brand of Socialism and on the political scale is actually a lesser stage compared to Communism no? Communism is the definition of left extremism. This cannot be a good thing in anyone's mind surely? P | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. " South Koreans will disagree with your statement. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. I note how you don't say country.... Yes you’re right China wasn’t a country much before that either China formed as a single dynasty around 200BC
As I said thousands of years after the indigenous Taiwanese had converted much of the land to agriculture.
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts. Please correct me if I'm wrong but; Hitler was a Socialist, Nazism is a brand of Socialism and on the political scale is actually a lesser stage compared to Communism no? Communism is the definition of left extremism. This cannot be a good thing in anyone's mind surely? P" This is a common bit of misinformation, Hitler's germany and the Nazi party were the exact opposite end of the spectrum to socialism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/ https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists World famous poem about the Nazis... First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller Re-read the famous first line. | |||
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. I note how you don't say country.... Yes you’re right China wasn’t a country much before that either China formed as a single dynasty around 200BC
As I said thousands of years after the indigenous Taiwanese had converted much of the land to agriculture.
The island was colonised by the Portuguese then Dutch way before China took it .
Did you note I said took it??
The Anglo saxons "took" the lands of the Romano British ad well.
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"Great country they threaten to shoot down the speaker of the house plane if she visits Taiwan. And they have every right to do so. The usa is actively and recklessly provoking war with China. No they do not have that right, no more than anyone and there's plenty with probable cause to shoot down Lavrov's plane when he goes traveling.. If that's what your masters are paying you to say expect to be corrected, da.. Wrong. China has said its a red line. They have every right to shoot down that military plane because if will have a military escort flying into Chinese airspace and I hope they do so because America is directly instigating revolt in Taiwan which is completely unacceptable. How would you like it if the Americans flew to Northern Ireland in the 1980s to directly support the IRA? If you actually hope they do then your thought are certifiable, I know your pay masters want a conflict between China and the USA but any sane person who thinks it's a good idea is off their box.. That's the last thing that I want or the Chinese want. The people who want this are the americans. If somebody starts coming in your garden and urinating in it and you say to them if you come in my garden again and urinate I will take physical action against you is thd onus not on thd person NOT to come into the person's garden? Taiwan is self governing. It is their garden. How would the United States react to an unofficial military planes and ccp dignatries from China landing on the Hawian Islands to encourage independence from mainland USA? Hawaii is an American state, it's a banal comparison.. Try harder.. No it isn't. Hawaii is an occupied island thousands of miles from America in which a colonial power seized it from the native inhabitants. Taiwan has always been culturally and historically linked with the Chinese mainland and now under thd "one china policy" that even the US has accepted. Taiwan was an independent island with an indigenous population thousands of years before any Chinese dynasty existed . Two and half thousand years to be precise . It started to be annexed by Qing dynasty during the 17th century. I note how you don't say country.... Yes you’re right China wasn’t a country much before that either China formed as a single dynasty around 200BC
As I said thousands of years after the indigenous Taiwanese had converted much of the land to agriculture.
The island was colonised by the Portuguese then Dutch way before China took it .
Did you note I said took it??
The Anglo saxons "took" the lands of the Romano British ad well.
You were discussing China’s claim to Taiwan.
Your claim was utter tosh as you know.
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts. Please correct me if I'm wrong but; Hitler was a Socialist, Nazism is a brand of Socialism and on the political scale is actually a lesser stage compared to Communism no? Communism is the definition of left extremism. This cannot be a good thing in anyone's mind surely? P" Hitler was a cunt. I would put Putin and ding dong ping in the same bracket. The world needs fewer cunts! (Less?) | |||
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts. Please correct me if I'm wrong but; Hitler was a Socialist, Nazism is a brand of Socialism and on the political scale is actually a lesser stage compared to Communism no? Communism is the definition of left extremism. This cannot be a good thing in anyone's mind surely? P This is a common bit of misinformation, Hitler's germany and the Nazi party were the exact opposite end of the spectrum to socialism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/ https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists World famous poem about the Nazis... First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller Re-read the famous first line." A poignant post I thank you for bring that poem to the thread. If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. When you stand for nothing, you fall for everything. | |||
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"A couple of points. China didn't eradicate poverty. But they did make progress in bringing a big percentage of people out of poverty. Secondly, China didn't achieve it by following Marxist principles. When they followed it during the time of Mao, it resulted in death of over 10 million people. They managed to progress only after embracing capitalism sector by sector. So yeah. Thanks to capitalism. " And by just stealing Western technology. | |||
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts. Please correct me if I'm wrong but; Hitler was a Socialist, Nazism is a brand of Socialism and on the political scale is actually a lesser stage compared to Communism no? Communism is the definition of left extremism. This cannot be a good thing in anyone's mind surely? P This is a common bit of misinformation, Hitler's germany and the Nazi party were the exact opposite end of the spectrum to socialism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/ https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists World famous poem about the Nazis... First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller Re-read the famous first line." The Strasserists were Socialist but so were the Nazis (the clue is in the full name). They were just a different type of Socialist (all political positions have different shades after all). They were authoritarian, as are all modern parties though. Not fascist. C | |||
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"Just curious where you're getting all your 'facts' from OP? No country is as good as you're making China out to be. Perhaps you ought to go and see for yourself? Freedom might be messy but it has to be better than oppression." He can't answer. He was likely banned for personally insulting people. He is currently in inboxes (ours especially) saying the site banning him for his Pro-China views. C | |||
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"Just curious where you're getting all your 'facts' from OP? No country is as good as you're making China out to be. Perhaps you ought to go and see for yourself? Freedom might be messy but it has to be better than oppression." He clearly went to university for his re-education. I mean education | |||
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"Christ alive. A thread praising the one political cause that is worse than Nazism. So many falsehoods peddled in the OP as well. C I don't think China is anywhere close to being a paragon of good, virtue or much of anything that should be emulated by the rest of the world. But I do also think that most peoples views are going to be coloured by an incredible amount of anti-communist and anti-china propaganda. It would be hard to be in the UK and for that not to be the case. there is simply that much of it. Bad yes, as bad as Nazism? I have my doubts. Please correct me if I'm wrong but; Hitler was a Socialist, Nazism is a brand of Socialism and on the political scale is actually a lesser stage compared to Communism no? Communism is the definition of left extremism. This cannot be a good thing in anyone's mind surely? P Hitler was a cunt. I would put Putin and ding dong ping in the same bracket. The world needs fewer cunts! (Less?) " No you were right first time with fewer. And yes fewer cunts would be nice, but sometimes they have their uses. P | |||
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"The Strasserists were Socialist but so were the Nazis (the clue is in the full name). They were just a different type of Socialist (all political positions have different shades after all). They were authoritarian, as are all modern parties though. Not fascist. C" I really cannot believe the year is 2022 and this has to be explained that Nazis were fascists, the very opposite of socialists. Yeah they had Socialist in their name, but it was a relatively new term in that age and was kinda like ass "e-" to everything in the 90's It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'. The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left. | |||
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"This fella has done something nobody else has achieved, he has united all of the posters in a thread. Well done that man "Lol true | |||
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"The Strasserists were Socialist but so were the Nazis (the clue is in the full name). They were just a different type of Socialist (all political positions have different shades after all). They were authoritarian, as are all modern parties though. Not fascist. C I really cannot believe the year is 2022 and this has to be explained that Nazis were fascists, the very opposite of socialists. Yeah they had Socialist in their name, but it was a relatively new term in that age and was kinda like ass "e-" to everything in the 90's It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'. The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left." "It's the current year". The memeworthy schlock doesn't make you right. They are not Fascist, they were authoritarian Socialists and no amount of laughable disinformation from other socialists will ever change that. C | |||
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""It's the current year". The memeworthy schlock doesn't make you right. They are not Fascist, they were authoritarian Socialists and no amount of laughable disinformation from other socialists will ever change that. C" Ok, you have officially said the most asinine, ignorant and objectively false thing I have read on this forum, congratulations. And I have been in the virus forums. | |||
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"Just curious where you're getting all your 'facts' from OP? No country is as good as you're making China out to be. Perhaps you ought to go and see for yourself? Freedom might be messy but it has to be better than oppression. He can't answer. He was likely banned for personally insulting people. He is currently in inboxes (ours especially) saying the site banning him for his Pro-China views. C" . Brilliant, I’ve long been calling for that Russia troll farmer to be banned | |||
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""It's the current year". The memeworthy schlock doesn't make you right. They are not Fascist, they were authoritarian Socialists and no amount of laughable disinformation from other socialists will ever change that. C Ok, you have officially said the most asinine, ignorant and objectively false thing I have read on this forum, congratulations. And I have been in the virus forums." Change my mind. I'll let you in on a secret though: I've seen many countries history books. Your revisionist history isn't your fault. C | |||
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"The Strasserists were Socialist but so were the Nazis (the clue is in the full name). They were just a different type of Socialist (all political positions have different shades after all). They were authoritarian, as are all modern parties though. Not fascist. C I really cannot believe the year is 2022 and this has to be explained that Nazis were fascists, the very opposite of socialists. Yeah they had Socialist in their name, but it was a relatively new term in that age and was kinda like ass "e-" to everything in the 90's It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'. The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left. "It's the current year". The memeworthy schlock doesn't make you right. They are not Fascist, they were authoritarian Socialists and no amount of laughable disinformation from other socialists will ever change that. C" It what socialists do best, cover up their crimes and try to blame anyone but themselves Next we'll be told that communism has never been tried properly either | |||
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""It's the current year". The memeworthy schlock doesn't make you right. They are not Fascist, they were authoritarian Socialists and no amount of laughable disinformation from other socialists will ever change that. C Ok, you have officially said the most asinine, ignorant and objectively false thing I have read on this forum, congratulations. And I have been in the virus forums. Change my mind. I'll let you in on a secret though: I've seen many countries history books. Your revisionist history isn't your fault. C " History is generally written by the winning side... | |||
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""It's the current year". The memeworthy schlock doesn't make you right. They are not Fascist, they were authoritarian Socialists and no amount of laughable disinformation from other socialists will ever change that. C Ok, you have officially said the most asinine, ignorant and objectively false thing I have read on this forum, congratulations. And I have been in the virus forums. Change my mind. I'll let you in on a secret though: I've seen many countries history books. Your revisionist history isn't your fault. C " That comment alone let's me know that an intelligent exchange between the two of us on this topic is absolutely impossible. So I am not going to waste your time or mine even trying. | |||
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"This fella has done something nobody else has achieved, he has united all of the posters in a thread. Well done that man "But he apparently had hordes of people private messaging him telling him how right he was but they didn't want to post in the thread because we're all sheeple who blindly follow western propaganda | |||
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"This fella has done something nobody else has achieved, he has united all of the posters in a thread. Well done that man
But he apparently had hordes of people private messaging him telling him how right he was but they didn't want to post in the thread because we're all sheeple who blindly follow western propaganda"Lol. Well that would be a first, never seen anyone hold back on their alternative views on this site. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... Have you asked the Chinese people if poverty has been eradicated ? Nah, didn't think so Well I know you haven't " You'd be very surprised | |||
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"This fella has done something nobody else has achieved, he has united all of the posters in a thread. Well done that man
But he apparently had hordes of people private messaging him telling him how right he was but they didn't want to post in the thread because we're all sheeple who blindly follow western propaganda"Propaganda has been around since the dawn of time for the human race. Nothing changed. Lately our phones got smarter yet people had a decline. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... North Korea North Korea is the most sanctioned country in the world yet still manages to cope, it is the hope of Koreans that the two countries will soon be united. The United States is desperate to stop this but the Korean people want unity. That will be as good day. Never forget the genocidal war that the americans launched on the Korean people, one of the most brutal in civilian deaths of the Post war era and completely covered up because the us are ashamed of their war crimes. Complete and utter horse shit. What is your particular issue? " Your assertion that the people of Korea wish to be reunited. I have family members that live in the south and I can assure you they and many millions like them have no desire to come under the rule of the tin pot dictator in the north. They value there freedom and there democratic way of life, I can see why people in the north are desperate to escape from the poverty and daily hardships they endure but to say the people in the south wish to join with the north and give up what they have is as I said utter horse shit. | |||
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"China has been an amazing success story in raising millions and millions out of extreme poverty. They were in extreme poverty under a feudal system and under Communism/Maoism. The change came after a pragmatic mix of Socialism and capitalism was introduced. It has since swung too far with extreme wealth being created in a kleptocracy. That is currently being purged under a totalitarian leader. It's a heavy, heavy version of how Singapore gained its success. However, that is really a remarkably long-lived benevolent dictatorship. It only takes one to stop being benevolent..."
So be it the US proved today where our support is. We may have our own "political " issues but we all support Taiwan and Ukraine. The Russian protagonist OP fails to realize that. We support any democracy and we willing to lay our lives on the line for that right
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all ‘Decide it’s own future’? Puerto Rico will be a 51st state by 2025 the people there voted on it. Until they are a state, they are a colony." Let's talk about your "colonization theory" guess what your crown owns the most land. | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all ‘Decide it’s own future’? Puerto Rico will be a 51st state by 2025 the people there voted on it. Until they are a state, they are a colony. Let's talk about your "colonization theory" guess what your crown owns the most land. " I think it is about a third, with another third being the church. either way I think that is wrong too. Colonisation, regardless of who is doing it is bad. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. " Geez so Naïve, were you ever in a cult? because someone is in need of some serious deprogramming. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. Geez so Naïve, were you ever in a cult? because someone is in need of some serious deprogramming. " Question what is de- programming. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. Geez so Naïve, were you ever in a cult? because someone is in need of some serious deprogramming. Question what is de- programming. " un-brainwashing | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. Geez so Naïve, were you ever in a cult? because someone is in need of some serious deprogramming. Question what is de- programming. un-brainwashing" Question how do you wash a brain. | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. Geez so Naïve, were you ever in a cult? because someone is in need of some serious deprogramming. Question what is de- programming. un-brainwashing Question how do you wash a brain." carefully | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... What future? A future of dwindling resources? A future of more pollution? A future of greater state surveillance, a world of being thin skinned to any form of criticism? A better way of persecuting minorities? A better way of stealing land through dodgy loans to third world countries? A better way of sitting on the fence? China’s shit stinks just like every other countries shit. So making it out to be some awesome place is being super naive. None of that is true. Belt and road initiatives are not the imperialist exploitation practised by the United States. China is acting as a force of good in the world in helping developing nations ri mutual benefit and not exploiting them or controlling their govts. Geez so Naïve, were you ever in a cult? because someone is in need of some serious deprogramming. Question what is de- programming. un-brainwashing Question how do you wash a brain. carefully" Is detergent used. | |||
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"Nazis weren't socialist. They weren't complete free markets either. While Hitler privatised most of the industries, there were tight regulations on trade. But when it comes to deaths and killings, both Nazism and Socialism are on par. While one ideology is open about its intentions of killing people, the other hides behind the mask of equality and kills as many people." No. Totalitarian states and dictatorships are. Pretending that it's a political system rather than an individual and his (usually) enablers is much of the problem. In opposition to one "system" populations seem end up enabling a dictator from the opposite "side" as they are so desperate to escape from where they are. Stability is always in-between. | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all ‘Decide it’s own future’? Puerto Rico will be a 51st state by 2025 the people there voted on it. Until they are a state, they are a colony. Let's talk about your "colonization theory" guess what your crown owns the most land. I think it is about a third, with another third being the church. either way I think that is wrong too. Colonisation, regardless of who is doing it is bad." literally everyone blames the to USA yet your crown ownes more territory than we do. So crying over American imperialism solves what again ? SE of you idiots need to be educated on the failures you produced. Yet we are wrong. | |||
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"literally everyone blames the to USA yet your crown ownes more territory than we do. So crying over American imperialism solves what again ? SE of you idiots need to be educated on the failures you produced. Yet we are wrong. " Yes, in this instance of the colonisation of Puerto Rico the USA is wrong. | |||
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"literally everyone blames the to USA yet your crown ownes more territory than we do. So crying over American imperialism solves what again ? SE of you idiots need to be educated on the failures you produced. Yet we are wrong. Yes, in this instance of the colonisation of Puerto Rico the USA is wrong." lol your country has more of a imperialist nature than the US. You forget your country lays claim to more than the US . Your point is? Ask your crown why they have to have that and get back to me on "" American imperialism " . You can't . | |||
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"A country that eradicated poverty, that is now set to become the world's leading economic superpower, who has revolutionised technology and is leading the race in computer technology, who builds cheap and efficient products that rival anything the west can produce, whose cities are ever more glorious and daring in architecture and splendour, whose citizens are increasingly having a higher standard of living whilst in the west its declining. Who is investing in futurist projects such as space travel and nuclear fusion energy. ALL achieved by the communist party who have remained true to their Marxist principles and fostered the spirit of innovation... Communism with Chinese characteristics.... whilst retaining the traditional morals and ethics of Chinese culture, a discipline and work ethic a national pride and tradition and a rejection of western decadence and corporatism In the west we have falling economies, homelessness, an epidemic of drug abuse, corrupt govts, corporate greed and monopolies and rising suicide rates, depression and the poison of American imperialist ventures. China offers us a better future. We should be more like China. Is there any better country than China in 2022? Surely it is an inspiration for us all... " PLA's PR department are Swingers who'd have thought | |||
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"literally everyone blames the to USA yet your crown ownes more territory than we do. So crying over American imperialism solves what again ? SE of you idiots need to be educated on the failures you produced. Yet we are wrong. Yes, in this instance of the colonisation of Puerto Rico the USA is wrong. lol your country has more of a imperialist nature than the US. You forget your country lays claim to more than the US . Your point is? Ask your crown why they have to have that and get back to me on "" American imperialism " . You can't . "None of that changes the fact that the USA colonisation of Puerto Rico is wrong. All that other stuff, while wrong is deflection. | |||
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"literally everyone blames the to USA yet your crown ownes more territory than we do. So crying over American imperialism solves what again ? SE of you idiots need to be educated on the failures you produced. Yet we are wrong. Yes, in this instance of the colonisation of Puerto Rico the USA is wrong. lol your country has more of a imperialist nature than the US. You forget your country lays claim to more than the US . Your point is? Ask your crown why they have to have that and get back to me on "" American imperialism " . You can't .
None of that changes the fact that the USA colonisation of Puerto Rico is wrong.
All that other stuff, while wrong is deflection."Difficult one, it was a colony of Spain from 1493 to 1898, when the US took over. The people voted to become a state of the US. Narrow majority but no different to the Brexit vote. I guess the people can see the benefits the US brings to them. | |||
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"Honestly I think the US should stop colonising Puerto Rico before it gets on its high horse with China about Taiwan. But that is just me. I mean Taiwan deserves to decide its own future and the global community should respect that. But throwing stones in glass houses and all that Taiwan has chosen - present and future. I didn't question that... at all ‘Decide it’s own future’? Puerto Rico will be a 51st state by 2025 the people there voted on it. Until they are a state, they are a colony. Let's talk about your "colonization theory" guess what your crown owns the most land. I think it is about a third, with another third being the church. either way I think that is wrong too. Colonisation, regardless of who is doing it is bad. literally everyone blames the to USA yet your crown ownes more territory than we do. So crying over American imperialism solves what again ? SE of you idiots need to be educated on the failures you produced. Yet we are wrong. " Crying over American imperialism solves nothing. It’s just another way to get them to look over there. . Away from the train wrecks in their utopia.
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"Surprising that China's "ten cents cyber warriors" would find fertile territory on fabswingers. China's industrial development has been entirely facilitated by the technology of western businesses and the greed of their unthinking directors. Massive strategic error." This is spades. The west has handed over our manufacturing to a point where China makes 30% of goods world wide. As one economist said, “We invited China for dinner and they went home with the cutlery and the crockery oh and the kitchen”. Our greed and desire for cheap labour to supply cheap goods to profit the few is biting us all very hard. It’s still happening today . Look at Reece Mogg’s firm. They don’t invest in the U.K. at all. It’s mostly Far East and some Middle East. Eastern European countries are heavily investing in manufacturing as they grow because they’ve seen how stupid we’ve been. Fee markets and deregulation have made us very much weaker and poorer as individuals . | |||
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"Surprising that China's "ten cents cyber warriors" would find fertile territory on fabswingers. China's industrial development has been entirely facilitated by the technology of western businesses and the greed of their unthinking directors. Massive strategic error. This is spades. The west has handed over our manufacturing to a point where China makes 30% of goods world wide. As one economist said, “We invited China for dinner and they went home with the cutlery and the crockery oh and the kitchen”. Our greed and desire for cheap labour to supply cheap goods to profit the few is biting us all very hard. It’s still happening today . Look at Reece Mogg’s firm. They don’t invest in the U.K. at all. It’s mostly Far East and some Middle East. Eastern European countries are heavily investing in manufacturing as they grow because they’ve seen how stupid we’ve been. Fee markets and deregulation have made us very much weaker and poorer as individuals . " I agree with what you are saying but I would go a little deeper... China manufacturing PVC windows is one thing, but allowing them to supply the Tech, IT and networks that provide the UK's mobile and internet capabilities was remarkably stupid, but the telecoms giants wanted the cheapest deal in town.... I'm not sure if they have been stopped supplying now, but even if they have the gate is already open. | |||
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"Surprising that China's "ten cents cyber warriors" would find fertile territory on fabswingers. China's industrial development has been entirely facilitated by the technology of western businesses and the greed of their unthinking directors. Massive strategic error. This is spades. The west has handed over our manufacturing to a point where China makes 30% of goods world wide. As one economist said, “We invited China for dinner and they went home with the cutlery and the crockery oh and the kitchen”. Our greed and desire for cheap labour to supply cheap goods to profit the few is biting us all very hard. It’s still happening today . Look at Reece Mogg’s firm. They don’t invest in the U.K. at all. It’s mostly Far East and some Middle East. Eastern European countries are heavily investing in manufacturing as they grow because they’ve seen how stupid we’ve been. Fee markets and deregulation have made us very much weaker and poorer as individuals . I agree with what you are saying but I would go a little deeper... China manufacturing PVC windows is one thing, but allowing them to supply the Tech, IT and networks that provide the UK's mobile and internet capabilities was remarkably stupid, but the telecoms giants wanted the cheapest deal in town.... I'm not sure if they have been stopped supplying now, but even if they have the gate is already open. " I totally agree with your comments . It’s probably too late. Apple whilst not quite at the cutting edge employs over a hundred thousand people in China. Apple’s security and latest tech will be known by the Chinese authorities. The thing to remember here is this is a regime not the Chinese as a people. I’m slating the Chinese system probably due to my own concerns, but I can’t imagine what it must be like living with a dark cloud like the communist party of China watching over your every move. | |||
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"Surprising that China's "ten cents cyber warriors" would find fertile territory on fabswingers. China's industrial development has been entirely facilitated by the technology of western businesses and the greed of their unthinking directors. Massive strategic error. This is spades. The west has handed over our manufacturing to a point where China makes 30% of goods world wide. As one economist said, “We invited China for dinner and they went home with the cutlery and the crockery oh and the kitchen”. Our greed and desire for cheap labour to supply cheap goods to profit the few is biting us all very hard. It’s still happening today . Look at Reece Mogg’s firm. They don’t invest in the U.K. at all. It’s mostly Far East and some Middle East. Eastern European countries are heavily investing in manufacturing as they grow because they’ve seen how stupid we’ve been. Fee markets and deregulation have made us very much weaker and poorer as individuals . I agree with what you are saying but I would go a little deeper... China manufacturing PVC windows is one thing, but allowing them to supply the Tech, IT and networks that provide the UK's mobile and internet capabilities was remarkably stupid, but the telecoms giants wanted the cheapest deal in town.... I'm not sure if they have been stopped supplying now, but even if they have the gate is already open. I totally agree with your comments . It’s probably too late. Apple whilst not quite at the cutting edge employs over a hundred thousand people in China. Apple’s security and latest tech will be known by the Chinese authorities. The thing to remember here is this is a regime not the Chinese as a people. I’m slating the Chinese system probably due to my own concerns, but I can’t imagine what it must be like living with a dark cloud like the communist party of China watching over your every move. " Thankfully, we can’t imagine it. I had a real insight as to what it was like to be an Estonian when under Russian control. It was frightening and made me thankful for what we have. | |||
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"I remember chiba ordering a full telephone exchange system from Plessey's, the company demanded the one completed unit was sent out. Once it arrived the company cancelled the order, then copied the sydtrm they got. Thats how some of chinese companies became wealthy, western companies went bust." This …. not only buying old machinery and replicating it but reverse engineering it, and then re-engineering it with considerable improvements. Highly intelligent, industrious and hard working | |||
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"I remember chiba ordering a full telephone exchange system from Plessey's, the company demanded the one completed unit was sent out. Once it arrived the company cancelled the order, then copied the sydtrm they got. Thats how some of chinese companies became wealthy, western companies went bust. This …. not only buying old machinery and replicating it but reverse engineering it, and then re-engineering it with considerable improvements. Highly intelligent, industrious and hard working "look at their military equipment . Nothing original just stolen tech | |||
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"I remember chiba ordering a full telephone exchange system from Plessey's, the company demanded the one completed unit was sent out. Once it arrived the company cancelled the order, then copied the sydtrm they got. Thats how some of chinese companies became wealthy, western companies went bust. This …. not only buying old machinery and replicating it but reverse engineering it, and then re-engineering it with considerable improvements. Highly intelligent, industrious and hard working look at their military equipment . Nothing original just stolen tech "Like none of other countries tech is stolen... | |||
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