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over a year ago
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I am thinking the RMT are being unreasonable, seeing qs Train drivers get around 50k per year. Yes there's cleaners and other lower paid staff on shit wages, so why can't the pay bands in rail companies be better structured?
Im all for the lower paid staff getting a rise but not the likes of those getting 50k per year |
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over a year ago
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The cleaners wouldn't benefit from any Pay rise anyway because they are not employed by the rail companies it is outsourced to agencies, same as security staff and those working in retail outlets at stations. So those on the lowest wages won't get anything extra. |
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It's the same most as hospital cleaners, porters and security. Because they are not employed by the nhs or a specific care company many of these employees miss out on things like the blue light card. |
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MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic.. |
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic.."
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike. |
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"ASLEF is the Union for Train Drivers... not the RMT"
Not sure what you're talking about because the TMT absolutely does represent train drivers as well as other staff. |
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"I am thinking the RMT are being unreasonable, seeing qs Train drivers get around 50k per year. Yes there's cleaners and other lower paid staff on shit wages, so why can't the pay bands in rail companies be better structured?
Im all for the lower paid staff getting a rise but not the likes of those getting 50k per year"
ASLEF are the drivers, not RMT. |
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike. "
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
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"I am thinking the RMT are being unreasonable, seeing qs Train drivers get around 50k per year. Yes there's cleaners and other lower paid staff on shit wages, so why can't the pay bands in rail companies be better structured?
Im all for the lower paid staff getting a rise but not the likes of those getting 50k per year
ASLEF are the drivers, not RMT."
I think those that keep saying this need to look it up. ASLEF Represent train drivers and other railway staff and so does the RMT. |
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
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I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves. |
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves. "
no-one is asking for above inflation pay rises.
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"I am thinking the RMT are being unreasonable, seeing qs Train drivers get around 50k per year. Yes there's cleaners and other lower paid staff on shit wages, so why can't the pay bands in rail companies be better structured?
Im all for the lower paid staff getting a rise but not the likes of those getting 50k per year
ASLEF are the drivers, not RMT."
Well mike lynch from the RMT was on tv, plus were on strike today.
Aslef are getting warmed up as far as im aware, plus bt staff
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves.
no-one is asking for above inflation pay rises.
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They are, they are currently asking for 7% to holt strikes but ultimately they have made it clear they want a lot more over the next 3 years. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes"
Don't call other people arseholes just because they don't agree with you as that is really unpleasant. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Don't call other people arseholes just because they don't agree with you as that is really unpleasant. "
I didn't call you anything, I stated an opinion, if you identify with one side or the other that's on you. |
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves.
no-one is asking for above inflation pay rises.
They are, they are currently asking for 7% to holt strikes but ultimately they have made it clear they want a lot more over the next 3 years. "
inflation is currently at 11% which
*checks notes*
is above 7% |
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves. "
They did though, as did the NHS, the Police, the Fire services etc etc..
They didn't sit at home working or on furlough..
You seem to be saying we should all take what is dripped down when energy companies are making obscene profits and chief executives of the rail companies are coining it in..
If people are not happy about their own lot then that's up to them to do something about it, divisions and back biting are what the elite thrive on.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves.
They did though, as did the NHS, the Police, the Fire services etc etc..
They didn't sit at home working or on furlough..
You seem to be saying we should all take what is dripped down when energy companies are making obscene profits and chief executives of the rail companies are coining it in..
If people are not happy about their own lot then that's up to them to do something about it, divisions and back biting are what the elite thrive on.."
Nearly 50% of the population worked throughout lockdown as they were considered essential workers.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MPs already on more than £50k got a payrise earlier this year, personally I think a highly trained train driver with massive responsibilities is like other workers who have had 12 yrs of no payrises and in fact on less than they were then more than justified in asking for what they believe they are worth..
Especially all the key workers who kept the country going in the pandemic..
But plenty of people haven't had a pay rise. Grinding the country to a halt regularly just because you don't get what you want really isn't the best way forward. Also I'm a bit sick of this argument that they were essential workers during the pandemic so should be rewarded, yet they don't want to be considered essential workers Because they would not allowed to strike.
They're asking to stay near what inflation is, not for a reward for what they did in the pandemic..
The only essential workers not allowed to strike is the police..
I'm sorry but they have been saying they deserve to be rewarded for working during the pandemic. We would all like an above inflation pay rise so should every single person in the country go on strike? These are well paid people who are asking people who are less well pain a lot of situations to be seriously inconvenienced and possibly lose money themselves.
no-one is asking for above inflation pay rises.
They are, they are currently asking for 7% to holt strikes but ultimately they have made it clear they want a lot more over the next 3 years.
inflation is currently at 11% which
*checks notes*
is above 7%"
Read what I have written and what the ultimate goal of the Unions are. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes"
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by"
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid. "
Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think, they still get to strike and polls show most the country support them, despite the hatchet job the media has done. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think, they still get to strike and polls show most the country support them, despite the hatchet job the media has done."
Don't tell me that what I think doesn't matter. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion. Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this. Recent polls from different polling agencie suggest that Between 37% and 45% of people's support strikes so that is not the vast majority. |
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Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh. |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh. "
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think, they still get to strike and polls show most the country support them, despite the hatchet job the media has done.
Don't tell me that what I think doesn't matter. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion. Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this. Recent polls from different polling agencie suggest that Between 37% and 45% of people's support strikes so that is not the vast majority. "
Don't tell me what to do. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion.Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this.
Latest data on YouGov right now (which they have a constant tracker).
55% say they should be allowed to strike.
Another Poll (Ipsos) found they were tied.
Even the Anti-Union Daily Mail have admitted more people support them.
I think your mistake may be thinking there are only two responses, support/oppose and you may be forgettin the undecided response. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid. "
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening.. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think, they still get to strike and polls show most the country support them, despite the hatchet job the media has done.
Don't tell me that what I think doesn't matter. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion. Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this. Recent polls from different polling agencie suggest that Between 37% and 45% of people's support strikes so that is not the vast majority.
Don't tell me what to do. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion.Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this.
Latest data on YouGov right now (which they have a constant tracker).
55% say they should be allowed to strike.
Another Poll (Ipsos) found they were tied.
Even the Anti-Union Daily Mail have admitted more people support them.
I think your mistake may be thinking there are only two responses, support/oppose and you may be forgettin the undecided response."
I haven't made a mistake and you are wrong again. But even if the majority of people don't agree with me I can still have an opinion and what I think does matter. You have just said I shouldn't tell you what to do however you were trying to tell me how to think. I have explained what I think and why and I do not need people telling me I don't matter. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening.."
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid. "
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening.."
This is CDs and LPs again, yes?   |
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stop spreading fake news. the rail workers are asking for a rise which is 4% below inflation.
employees of privately owned companies are not able to hold the country to ransom, that is just more alarmist fake news.
if people are unhappy that they haven't been offered a pay rise then ask for one. if a pay rise isn't forthcomming after asking then you have the right to find a better paid job with another employer.
this is the capitalist way.
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think, they still get to strike and polls show most the country support them, despite the hatchet job the media has done.
Don't tell me that what I think doesn't matter. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion. Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this. Recent polls from different polling agencie suggest that Between 37% and 45% of people's support strikes so that is not the vast majority.
Don't tell me what to do. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion.Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this.
Latest data on YouGov right now (which they have a constant tracker).
55% say they should be allowed to strike.
Another Poll (Ipsos) found they were tied.
Even the Anti-Union Daily Mail have admitted more people support them.
I think your mistake may be thinking there are only two responses, support/oppose and you may be forgettin the undecided response.
I haven't made a mistake and you are wrong again. But even if the majority of people don't agree with me I can still have an opinion and what I think does matter. You have just said I shouldn't tell you what to do however you were trying to tell me how to think. I have explained what I think and why and I do not need people telling me I don't matter."
ok HOW does your opinion matter. how does what YOU think in any way affect what is happening.
It doesn't just like mine doesn't.
Also i am not wrong there is more support than opposition to the Strikes.
If you are so right, provide citations like I did.
And I NEVER said YOU don't matter. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something. "
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think, they still get to strike and polls show most the country support them, despite the hatchet job the media has done.
Don't tell me that what I think doesn't matter. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion. Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this. Recent polls from different polling agencie suggest that Between 37% and 45% of people's support strikes so that is not the vast majority.
Don't tell me what to do. You do this quite a lot and seem to think only certain people with certain ways of thinking should be allowed an opinion.Also yet again you are wrong because you haven't researched this.
Latest data on YouGov right now (which they have a constant tracker).
55% say they should be allowed to strike.
Another Poll (Ipsos) found they were tied.
Even the Anti-Union Daily Mail have admitted more people support them.
I think your mistake may be thinking there are only two responses, support/oppose and you may be forgettin the undecided response.
I haven't made a mistake and you are wrong again. But even if the majority of people don't agree with me I can still have an opinion and what I think does matter. You have just said I shouldn't tell you what to do however you were trying to tell me how to think. I have explained what I think and why and I do not need people telling me I don't matter.
ok HOW does your opinion matter. how does what YOU think in any way affect what is happening.
It doesn't just like mine doesn't.
Also i am not wrong there is more support than opposition to the Strikes.
If you are so right, provide citations like I did.
And I NEVER said YOU don't matter."
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is CDs and LPs again, yes? "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
"
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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They are, they are currently asking for 7% to halt strikes but ultimately they have made it clear they want a lot more over the next 3 years. "
why shouldn't they want more?
for one they've accepted pay cuts or freezes for the last few years while at the same time the taxpayers money which subsidises the railways - which increases in line with inflation, and the above inflation fare price rises, has contributed to above inflation profits and dividends to shareholders and executive pay.
So why shouldn't the people who do the work take a share in that?
Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work?
If you really don't think that's not how capitalism is supposed to work then tell me now so I can start sharpening my pitchfork because there's really no hope left
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"Did you just not tell me to not tell you what to do and then do exactly the same? I think we should leave this here."
So you didn't notice that I copied and pasted what YOU said back at you with the first sentence tweaked to highlight your hypocrisy.
You don't have to provide citations, of course you don't. You only have to do it if you want to prove me wrong.
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end. "
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim.. |
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over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim.."
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption. "
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced.. |
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over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced.."
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate. "
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough.. |
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what have strikes organised by the TSSA got to do with the RMT or ASLEF? this is just an ill informed attempt to lump every trade union into one homogeneous mass which is scare mongering fake news again. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases. "
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest. |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest. "
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough.."
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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I like the way some companies are giving rises. Instead of a percentage increase they give a set figure in monetary terms. It means if you do convert it to a percentage term then the lowest paid get a far higher rise than the highest paid. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious! "
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate. "
. Sadly the trade union involved is totally indifferent to the ordinary members of the public who pay their wages. Having seen the payroll of at least one company most rational people would simply accept that railway employees are more than amply awarded. Excluding drivers and signallers the average pay is £34000 per annum plus other generous perks so they are hardly facing starvation. The current pay offer is 8 % so again there is no cause for complaint. The union are actually opposing measures such as the use of camera technology which would make the railways safer.
Mick Lynch does not have to worry about the problems other people face . The strikes do not impact him personally as his salary package is circa £120, 000 and his house is worth circ £1 million .
Support for the strikes is only around 35 % of the general public so 65 % oppose them .
There is an excellent article in today's Daily Telegraph where the Chairmsn of Network Rail is interviewed .
Any pay increase for railway workers simply means increased fares . These worker are showing little thanks for all the government funding which they received during the Covid 19 crisis. |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest. "
What about people who need to get to hospital appointments. I have a friend who has been waiting for an appointment for her daughter . This for tests , as may have a form of epilepsy. Local hospital does not do tests. So where appointment. Forty miles away. The appointment is on 13th August. Lucky I can take her. If not would have to cancel. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious!
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
Are you sure tfl have been in strike 12 times this year?"
I'm absolutely certain in fact the central line and Victoria line were on strike on Friday and Saturday evenings since January until last week. Could you please tell me the other ways to get around the capital are please as disabled people who cannot walk far or cycle. I'd love to know.
How do people plan ahead when the buses that are already packed and roads are already gridlocked. Like I said it is very easy for people to agree with something that doesn't directly affect them regularly. |
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" Sadly the trade union involved is totally indifferent to the ordinary members of the public who pay their wages. Having seen the payroll of at least one company most rational people would simply accept that railway employees are more than amply awarded. Excluding drivers and signallers the average pay is £34000 per annum plus other generous perks so they are hardly facing starvation. The current pay offer is 8 % so again there is no cause for complaint. The union are actually opposing measures such as the use of camera technology which would make the railways safer.
Mick Lynch does not have to worry about the problems other people face . The strikes do not impact him personally as his salary package is circa £120, 000 and his house is worth circ £1 million .
Support for the strikes is only around 35 % of the general public so 65 % oppose them .
There is an excellent article in today's Daily Telegraph where the Chairmsn of Network Rail is interviewed .
Any pay increase for railway workers simply means increased fares . These worker are showing little thanks for all the government funding which they received during the Covid 19 crisis. "
we can safely ignore this nonsense. luckily we have unions who are striking for all of us so we can have a better quality of life despite the wreckless fascism of the conservative and unionist government. |
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Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
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" Sadly the trade union involved is totally indifferent to the ordinary members of the public who pay their wages. Having seen the payroll of at least one company most rational people would simply accept that railway employees are more than amply awarded. Excluding drivers and signallers the average pay is £34000 per annum plus other generous perks so they are hardly facing starvation. The current pay offer is 8 % so again there is no cause for complaint. The union are actually opposing measures such as the use of camera technology which would make the railways safer.
Mick Lynch does not have to worry about the problems other people face . The strikes do not impact him personally as his salary package is circa £120, 000 and his house is worth circ £1 million .
Support for the strikes is only around 35 % of the general public so 65 % oppose them .
There is an excellent article in today's Daily Telegraph where the Chairmsn of Network Rail is interviewed .
Any pay increase for railway workers simply means increased fares . These worker are showing little thanks for all the government funding which they received during the Covid 19 crisis.
we can safely ignore this nonsense. luckily we have unions who are striking for all of us so we can have a better quality of life despite the wreckless fascism of the conservative and unionist government. "
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious!
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
Are you sure tfl have been in strike 12 times this year?
I'm absolutely certain in fact the central line and Victoria line were on strike on Friday and Saturday evenings since January until last week. Could you please tell me the other ways to get around the capital are please as disabled people who cannot walk far or cycle. I'd love to know.
How do people plan ahead when the buses that are already packed and roads are already gridlocked. Like I said it is very easy for people to agree with something that doesn't directly affect them regularly. "
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" Sadly the trade union involved is totally indifferent to the ordinary members of the public who pay their wages. Having seen the payroll of at least one company most rational people would simply accept that railway employees are more than amply awarded. Excluding drivers and signallers the average pay is £34000 per annum plus other generous perks so they are hardly facing starvation. The current pay offer is 8 % so again there is no cause for complaint. The union are actually opposing measures such as the use of camera technology which would make the railways safer.
Mick Lynch does not have to worry about the problems other people face . The strikes do not impact him personally as his salary package is circa £120, 000 and his house is worth circ £1 million .
Support for the strikes is only around 35 % of the general public so 65 % oppose them .
There is an excellent article in today's Daily Telegraph where the Chairmsn of Network Rail is interviewed .
Any pay increase for railway workers simply means increased fares . These worker are showing little thanks for all the government funding which they received during the Covid 19 crisis.
we can safely ignore this nonsense. luckily we have unions who are striking for all of us so we can have a better quality of life despite the wreckless fascism of the conservative and unionist government. "
. Last time I checked the union only represented one group of workers and have never made any attempt to explain how they would fund any fare increases . |
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston "
then ask for one and if refused, withdraw your labour or take your labour to a higher paying employer ... it's that simple.
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious!
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
Are you sure tfl have been in strike 12 times this year?
I'm absolutely certain in fact the central line and Victoria line were on strike on Friday and Saturday evenings since January until last week. Could you please tell me the other ways to get around the capital are please as disabled people who cannot walk far or cycle. I'd love to know.
How do people plan ahead when the buses that are already packed and roads are already gridlocked. Like I said it is very easy for people to agree with something that doesn't directly affect them regularly.
24 hr london has far and away more public transport choice than rural locations"
Except when there is a rail strike on. 15% Of the entire population live in London so when the transport system pretty much grinds to a halt it affects a lot of people. |
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston
then ask for one and if refused, withdraw your labour or take your labour to a higher paying employer ... it's that simple.
this is the capitalist way "
If only it was that simple.
Unfortunately I don't live in a utopian fantasy world.
Fancy making pronouncements on a situation (mine) you know nothing about.
Winston
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious!
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
Are you sure tfl have been in strike 12 times this year?
I'm absolutely certain in fact the central line and Victoria line were on strike on Friday and Saturday evenings since January until last week. Could you please tell me the other ways to get around the capital are please as disabled people who cannot walk far or cycle. I'd love to know.
How do people plan ahead when the buses that are already packed and roads are already gridlocked. Like I said it is very easy for people to agree with something that doesn't directly affect them regularly. "
I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Even a breakdown on a tube line causes absolute chaos. As you said the roads become grid locked and taxis are impossible to get . In any event why should someone have to spend three hours travelling just because some workers decide to go on strike. One solution is automation of the railway lines ..
Some people are missing vital hospital appointments because of these strikes . In addition many key workers cannot work from home. Nurses have to be on site as do many other workers. |
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston
then ask for one and if refused, withdraw your labour or take your labour to a higher paying employer ... it's that simple.
this is the capitalist way
If only it was that simple.
Unfortunately I don't live in a utopian fantasy world.
Fancy making pronouncements on a situation (mine) you know nothing about.
Winston
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" Sadly the trade union involved is totally indifferent to the ordinary members of the public who pay their wages. Having seen the payroll of at least one company most rational people would simply accept that railway employees are more than amply awarded. Excluding drivers and signallers the average pay is £34000 per annum plus other generous perks so they are hardly facing starvation. The current pay offer is 8 % so again there is no cause for complaint. The union are actually opposing measures such as the use of camera technology which would make the railways safer.
Mick Lynch does not have to worry about the problems other people face . The strikes do not impact him personally as his salary package is circa £120, 000 and his house is worth circ £1 million .
Support for the strikes is only around 35 % of the general public so 65 % oppose them .
There is an excellent article in today's Daily Telegraph where the Chairmsn of Network Rail is interviewed .
Any pay increase for railway workers simply means increased fares . These worker are showing little thanks for all the government funding which they received during the Covid 19 crisis.
we can safely ignore this nonsense. luckily we have unions who are striking for all of us so we can have a better quality of life despite the wreckless fascism of the conservative and unionist government. . Last time I checked the union only represented one group of workers and have never made any attempt to explain how they would fund any fare increases ."
Because that's not their remit, maybe if they were responsible for running the said companies they could reduce the bloated salaries of the chief executive and use that to pay the people on the shop floor who deliver the servive a wage that is on par with inflation? |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike. "
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious!
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
Are you sure tfl have been in strike 12 times this year?
I'm absolutely certain in fact the central line and Victoria line were on strike on Friday and Saturday evenings since January until last week. Could you please tell me the other ways to get around the capital are please as disabled people who cannot walk far or cycle. I'd love to know.
How do people plan ahead when the buses that are already packed and roads are already gridlocked. Like I said it is very easy for people to agree with something that doesn't directly affect them regularly. I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Even a breakdown on a tube line causes absolute chaos. As you said the roads become grid locked and taxis are impossible to get . In any event why should someone have to spend three hours travelling just because some workers decide to go on strike. One solution is automation of the railway lines ..
Some people are missing vital hospital appointments because of these strikes . In addition many key workers cannot work from home. Nurses have to be on site as do many other workers. "
Thank you and it's very easy for people to say Just walk or get a bus. It's not that easy for all of us and it does impact on our lives and what we can do and when. As I have said previously I have no issue with unions I just do not believe that this strike action is being used as a last resort. And yes a breakdown on the tube if we then have to use alternative transport can add over 2 hours to a journey. Of course this is a part of life and these things happen however when it happens regularly and then, Short notice line and station closures it becomes really difficult. |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid.
That's fine, not everyone does support other workers when they choose to use their collective bargaining..
What still counts is the right to strike as a last resort, funnily enough people like Truss are baiting those who want to fully go back to the 1800s in relation to such things..
There are those that want the days of standing at the factory gate waiting to be called in for a days wage for working people, truly it's frightening..
This is my main issue I do not believe that the rail unions do use strike action as a last resort. It seems to be there go to every time they want something.
No one wants to go on strike, they don't choose to lose money unless there are no options available..
The legislation is such that it costs the Union money and the criteria to be met is high, it's not like the bad old days where it was fine on the nod..
I am struggling to see what other options they have tried, they have rejected every pay rise offered to them. Tfl staff were planning to strike over the jubilee weekend because one of the managers had been accused of bullying. They threatened to strike before they had taken any other action. It was resolved without a strike because they went through the relevant channels in the end.
Let's be honest nothing I will say will matter, you have your own view as do I..
Maybe write to them and ask what they've done or tried to do to achieve what they believe is a justifiable claim..
I don't need to write to anybody I do a lot of research into this as somebody who is absolutely reliant on the tube and train network. I have had to miss a funeral this year, seeing a dying relative, a hospital appointment and being with a friend who needed me because of constant disruption.
Looking at the thread thus far your information doesn't seem that accurate, other contributors have told you but your hiding behind the it's my opinion line..
How many strikes have there been so far?
You seem to have been conveniently inconvenienced..
I think you need to read what I have written again and then I would appreciate an apology. It was the other poster that is hiding behind the its my opinion.I will tell you how many strikes I personally have been affected by this year and it's 12. You seem to be forgetting that tfl have also been going on strike. Could you please tell me what information I have given isn't accurate.
Every strike has been heavily advertised, if you've been inconvenienced as much as you claim then sorry you've not planned ahead enough..
Sorry I didn't plan ahead when somebody would die will get terminally ill. You can't actually be serious!
I've lived in the capital, there are other ways to get about whatever the reason..
Are you sure tfl have been in strike 12 times this year?
I'm absolutely certain in fact the central line and Victoria line were on strike on Friday and Saturday evenings since January until last week. Could you please tell me the other ways to get around the capital are please as disabled people who cannot walk far or cycle. I'd love to know.
How do people plan ahead when the buses that are already packed and roads are already gridlocked. Like I said it is very easy for people to agree with something that doesn't directly affect them regularly. I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Even a breakdown on a tube line causes absolute chaos. As you said the roads become grid locked and taxis are impossible to get . In any event why should someone have to spend three hours travelling just because some workers decide to go on strike. One solution is automation of the railway lines ..
Some people are missing vital hospital appointments because of these strikes . In addition many key workers cannot work from home. Nurses have to be on site as do many other workers. "
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston
then ask for one and if refused, withdraw your labour or take your labour to a higher paying employer ... it's that simple.
this is the capitalist way
If only it was that simple.
Unfortunately I don't live in a utopian fantasy world.
Fancy making pronouncements on a situation (mine) you know nothing about.
Winston
i couldn't care less about your situation that you're moaning about
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" Except when there is a rail strike on. 15% Of the entire population live in London so when the transport system pretty much grinds to a halt it affects a lot of people.
if it's such a constant problem then move elsewhere ... the country doesn't owe you a ride to work, nor do the employees of a privately owned company "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying?
And as usual it is the most vulnerable in society that suffer so that people on an already good wage can get more. "
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"Because that's not their remit, maybe if they were responsible for running the said companies they could reduce the bloated salaries of the chief executive and use that to pay the people on the shop floor who deliver the servive a wage that is on par with inflation?"
People complain about the 7% increase they are asking for, you do know that less than a quarter of last years profits would cover that...
They have the money, they can afford to give it, and at this point they would look like heroes if they did... they just don't want to. |
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston "
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"Because that's not their remit, maybe if they were responsible for running the said companies they could reduce the bloated salaries of the chief executive and use that to pay the people on the shop floor who deliver the servive a wage that is on par with inflation?
People complain about the 7% increase they are asking for, you do know that less than a quarter of last years profits would cover that...
They have the money, they can afford to give it, and at this point they would look like heroes if they did... they just don't want to."
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Here is an interesting fact for you.
The last London Underground ballot.
Number of individuals who were entitled to vote in the ballot: 10,056
Number of votes cast in the ballot: 5,344
So only 53% actually voted.
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"Here is an interesting fact for you.
The last London Underground ballot.
Number of individuals who were entitled to vote in the ballot: 10,056
Number of votes cast in the ballot: 5,344
So only 53% actually voted.
"
Other interesting fact, brexit went through on a far lesser number percentage wise of the country..
MPs regularly get elected on a smaller percentage too..
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston
then ask for one and if refused, withdraw your labour or take your labour to a higher paying employer ... it's that simple.
this is the capitalist way
If only it was that simple.
Unfortunately I don't live in a utopian fantasy world.
Fancy making pronouncements on a situation (mine) you know nothing about.
Winston
i couldn't care less about your situation that you're moaning about
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Odd.
I thought you were showing support for the lower paid. 
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying?
And as usual it is the most vulnerable in society that suffer so that people on an already good wage can get more.
I wouldn’t consider a train cleaner as privileged would you? "
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"I thought you were showing support for the lower paid.
Winston"
i'm showing support for people asking for a payrise commensurate with inflation .... i suspect you haven't asked your employer for one |
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over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes"
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person."
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"I thought you were showing support for the lower paid.
Winston
i'm showing support for people asking for a payrise commensurate with inflation .... i suspect you haven't asked your employer for one "
I see.
*clenches fist.
Solidarity brothers.
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over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person.
Yawn"
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"I thought you were showing support for the lower paid.
Winston
i'm showing support for people asking for a payrise commensurate with inflation .... i suspect you haven't asked your employer for one
I see.
*clenches fist.
Solidarity brothers.
Winston "
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person."
This. ^^^
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over a year ago
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I think employees do have the right to strike if they feel they are not being paid well enough. At the same time, employers should have the right to fill those jobs with temporary workers or even automate the jobs wherever possible. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
Do you think the unions could have called off todays strike to promote and help people travelling to the commonwealth games and the start of the football league?
Sometimes I wonder how unions arrive at a rationale for direct action and how that action is watered down due its impact on the general public going about their personal business.
Publicity own goal or a win? |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person.
This. ^^^
Winston "
What others may not listen to but you may is that i was making a statement and using exaggeration and a meme format as part of it.
If people really really think that kind of statement is 100% literal, then that really is a truly sad indictment on society as a whole. In my opinion |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person.
This. ^^^
Winston
What others may not listen to but you may is that i was making a statement and using exaggeration and a meme format as part of it.
If people really really think that kind of statement is 100% literal, then that really is a truly sad indictment on society as a whole. In my opinion"
This is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who believe in free markets
2) stupid c*nts
Just a meme using exaggeration. Hope you loved it and don't take it literally. |
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"Here is an interesting fact for you.
The last London Underground ballot.
Number of individuals who were entitled to vote in the ballot: 10,056
Number of votes cast in the ballot: 5,344
So only 53% actually voted.
Other interesting fact, brexit went through on a far lesser number percentage wise of the country..
MPs regularly get elected on a smaller percentage too..
What point are you trying to make?"
Actually you are wrong.
Over 72% of eligible people voted on the EU referendum. |
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"Do you think the unions could have called off todays strike to promote and help people travelling to the commonwealth games and the start of the football league?
Sometimes I wonder how unions arrive at a rationale for direct action and how that action is watered down due its impact on the general public going about their personal business.
Publicity own goal or a win? "
The RMT picks dates that will have a high impact on the public.
Big sporting event, strike day
Two day strike, have them a day apart so three days of travel are affected.
24hrs walkout start it at 5pm so it goes into the next day as well.
The members only get to vote. Head office decides when action is taken. That way as we have seen they can get workers from different parts of the country all going on strike on the same day. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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Meanwhile this shit corrupt government are allowing companies to increase their prices by huge percentages despite some making 5x the profit they did this time last year. That's ok though the shareholders and CEOs that benefit from huge salaries with big expense accounts, bonuses and big dividends are not greedy bastards only the workers fighting are deserving of that title |
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"Because that's not their remit, maybe if they were responsible for running the said companies they could reduce the bloated salaries of the chief executive and use that to pay the people on the shop floor who deliver the servive a wage that is on par with inflation?
People complain about the 7% increase they are asking for, you do know that less than a quarter of last years profits would cover that...
They have the money, they can afford to give it, and at this point they would look like heroes if they did... they just don't want to."
. On which company have you based this calculaton ? Most rational business owners would be seriously concerned if their margins were to drop by 25 % . Railway workers have already beebn offered 8 % so asking for anything else is simply shear greed . One person's pay increase is another person's cost increase . Both the government and employers have a responsibility not to carry in to unreasonable demands. .
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? "
. There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me . |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me . "
Also the word inconvenience makes it sound trivial when added massive issues and problems for people trying to live their lives.
One person has even tried to tell me that there hasn't been that many strikes on the tube this year and in fact it's been pretty constant. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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An 8% pay rise is still a significant cut in real terms considering inflation. About time a more widespread stand was made around this country as the greed of the corporations will only get worse, governments have no intention of stopping that so hopefully people power will at some point. |
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"On which company have you based this calculaton ? Most rational business owners would be seriously concerned if their margins were to drop by 25 % . Railway workers have already beebn offered 8 % so asking for anything else is simply shear greed . One person's pay increase is another person's cost increase . Both the government and employers have a responsibility not to carry in to unreasonable demands. .
Kiz Truss has alreafy indicated that she will not cave in. The majority of the UK population do not support the rail strike "
we can safely ignore this nonsense from a highly vocal minority, what matters is that the fact that the silent majority stand firmly behind the rail workers. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person.
This. ^^^
Winston
What others may not listen to but you may is that i was making a statement and using exaggeration and a meme format as part of it.
If people really really think that kind of statement is 100% literal, then that really is a truly sad indictment on society as a whole. In my opinion"
It was crystal clear you were calling another poster an asshole.
Saying "it was only a meme and I didn'tmean it literally" is a transparent untruth.
It was abuse, plain and simple.
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
If they're on low wages and stugling on a rotten job i support them.
No one should be struggling to get by
Absolutely but I do not support a Union or group of unions that do this constantly and cause severe disruption to people just trying to live their lives when they are already well paid. "
this is the first major strike on the railways in 30 years hardly constantly think you are conflating with tube drivers .also the major reason most are on strike is an attack on there terms and conditions plus network rail wanting to cut maintenance by half and we all remember what happened when railtrack did exactly that years ago dont we two major fatal accidents within months resulting in railtrack being closed down . |
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By *ackal1Couple
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying?
And as usual it is the most vulnerable in society that suffer so that people on an already good wage can get more.
I wouldn’t consider a train cleaner as privileged would you?
Train cleaners and station cleaners as well as security staff will not benefit from Any pay rise connected to the strike as they are outsourced so these people are not employed by the rail companies. "
You are correct in that “most” cleaners are contracted out on “minimum wage” but not all. Yet another disgrace. So much for high paid high skilled. Cheapest option every time.
Median earnings in April 2021 for full-time employees currently stands at £31,772 per annum, according to the Office for National Statistics. Or £33k according to the RMT .
So hardly high flying executive salaries. Again I will state not really privileged is it.
Btw the cleaners can still join the union. It’s not business relevant.
The cleaners are on less money than our apprentices and they are at college one day a week. How do people think such salaries regardless of the train strike are acceptable. The fact the train companies save money by contracting out is another very good reason the workers need the protection of the union. Most countries restrict or ban zero hours contracts. This government positively encourage them.
For the record it’s proven that the contracting out of hospital cleaners had lead to a deterioration of the cleanliness of those hospitals. Result ultimately in more infections. Corner cutting at its finest.
Like I said I’m all for the RMT resisting a low pay rise.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me . "
It’s a pay cut. Would you be happy to receive less in real terms each year?
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
It’s a pay cut. Would you be happy to receive less in real terms each year?
Dividends have been paid despite the drop in revenues so the money is there obviously. "
. It may come as a surprise to you buy not everyone is motivated by sheer greed. Lots of workers are just greatfull to have a job and recognise that ant pay increase is a cost increase to other people. Striking rail workers can always seek alternative work elsewhere if they are unhappy with their salary. Their pay and perks is a lot better than what many receive. With an average salary of £34000 they can hardly claim to be underpaid.
Anyone investing in a company expects to be paid a dividend. I cannot see too msny pensioners being happy to receive less income because a group of workers want an inflation busting increase .
In any event one of the operators, the First Group have not paid a dividend for nine years . The last dividend was paid on 7 Feb 2013 and the next one is due on 19 Aug 2022 . With a dovidend yield of. 0.8 % there is hardly money to waste . The last nine years were very tough for the First Group. |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
It’s a pay cut. Would you be happy to receive less in real terms each year?
Dividends have been paid despite the drop in revenues so the money is there obviously. . It may come as a surprise to you buy not everyone is motivated by sheer greed. Lots of workers are just greatfull to have a job and recognise that ant pay increase is a cost increase to other people. Striking rail workers can always seek alternative work elsewhere if they are unhappy with their salary. Their pay and perks is a lot better than what many receive. With an average salary of £34000 they can hardly claim to be underpaid.
Anyone investing in a company expects to be paid a dividend. I cannot see too msny pensioners being happy to receive less income because a group of workers want an inflation busting increase .
In any event one of the operators, the First Group have not paid a dividend for nine years . The last dividend was paid on 7 Feb 2013 and the next one is due on 19 Aug 2022 . With a dovidend yield of. 0.8 % there is hardly money to waste . The last nine years were very tough for the First Group."
So the cost of living has gone up and the line is "you'll get what you're given or find a better job." Nice.
Shame that the "better jobs" are also not benefitting from an increase either. |
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"Here is an interesting fact for you.
The last London Underground ballot.
Number of individuals who were entitled to vote in the ballot: 10,056
Number of votes cast in the ballot: 5,344
So only 53% actually voted.
Other interesting fact, brexit went through on a far lesser number percentage wise of the country..
MPs regularly get elected on a smaller percentage too..
What point are you trying to make?
Actually you are wrong.
Over 72% of eligible people voted on the EU referendum. "
I meant, possibly worded it badly that less people voted to leave 51.89 is less than the 53 you quote as voting yes so what point are you trying to make..
And we both know that in some by elections we elect MPs on far less than either .. |
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
It’s a pay cut. Would you be happy to receive less in real terms each year?
Dividends have been paid despite the drop in revenues so the money is there obviously. . It may come as a surprise to you buy not everyone is motivated by sheer greed. Lots of workers are just greatfull to have a job and recognise that ant pay increase is a cost increase to other people. Striking rail workers can always seek alternative work elsewhere if they are unhappy with their salary. Their pay and perks is a lot better than what many receive. With an average salary of £34000 they can hardly claim to be underpaid.
Anyone investing in a company expects to be paid a dividend. I cannot see too msny pensioners being happy to receive less income because a group of workers want an inflation busting increase .
In any event one of the operators, the First Group have not paid a dividend for nine years . The last dividend was paid on 7 Feb 2013 and the next one is due on 19 Aug 2022 . With a dovidend yield of. 0.8 % there is hardly money to waste . The last nine years were very tough for the First Group."
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
Also the word inconvenience makes it sound trivial when added massive issues and problems for people trying to live their lives.
One person has even tried to tell me that there hasn't been that many strikes on the tube this year and in fact it's been pretty constant. "
One person has asked you to clarify there have been the 12 strikes on TFL that you claimed earlier in the thread, who has told you there hasn't been many? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
Also the word inconvenience makes it sound trivial when added massive issues and problems for people trying to live their lives.
One person has even tried to tell me that there hasn't been that many strikes on the tube this year and in fact it's been pretty constant.
One person has asked you to clarify there have been the 12 strikes on TFL that you claimed earlier in the thread, who has told you there hasn't been many?"
but its not all about the wages a lot of it as i have said before is to do with attack's on working conditions and attempts to cut corners on maintenance to save money now go back to 2000 and look at exactly what happened to Rail track when they tried the same cost cutting totally gutting the maintenance staff and the vast amount of experience built up over the years and replacing with "graduates " with a degree in engineering
It was the Hatfield rail crash on 17 October 2000 that proved to be the defining moment in Railtrack's collapse.[12] The subsequent major repairs undertaken across the whole British rail network are estimated to have cost in the order of £580 million. According to Christian Wolmar, author of On the Wrong Line, the Railtrack board panicked in the wake of Hatfield.[13] Because most of the engineering skill of British Rail had been sold off into the maintenance and renewal companies, Railtrack had no idea how many Hatfields were waiting to happen, nor did they have any way of assessing the consequence of the speed restrictions they were ordering – restrictions that brought the railway network to all but a standstill.[14]
how many hatfields have to happen before shapps and his cronies realize you cannot cut corners with rail safety this is what they are fighting your safety and their safety not just wages high wages are no good if your dead due to poor maintenance is it
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Every time there's a rail strike I can't get to work and I can't work from home.
This costs me either a day's wages or a day's holiday.
Does anyone have a right to strike? Yes.
Should their actions impact on other people's desire/need to work or cause them financial loss? No.
Is there a way to keep everyone happy? I very much doubt it.
The strikes don't just impact on commuters, they severely disrupt business too.
People and business should not suffer because other people want a pay rise. We all want a pay rise FFS.
Winston
then ask for one and if refused, withdraw your labour or take your labour to a higher paying employer ... it's that simple.
this is the capitalist way
If only it was that simple.
Unfortunately I don't live in a utopian fantasy world.
Fancy making pronouncements on a situation (mine) you know nothing about.
Winston
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
It’s a pay cut. Would you be happy to receive less in real terms each year?
Dividends have been paid despite the drop in revenues so the money is there obviously. . It may come as a surprise to you buy not everyone is motivated by sheer greed. Lots of workers are just greatfull to have a job and recognise that ant pay increase is a cost increase to other people. Striking rail workers can always seek alternative work elsewhere if they are unhappy with their salary. Their pay and perks is a lot better than what many receive. With an average salary of £34000 they can hardly claim to be underpaid.
Anyone investing in a company expects to be paid a dividend. I cannot see too msny pensioners being happy to receive less income because a group of workers want an inflation busting increase .
In any event one of the operators, the First Group have not paid a dividend for nine years . The last dividend was paid on 7 Feb 2013 and the next one is due on 19 Aug 2022 . With a dovidend yield of. 0.8 % there is hardly money to waste . The last nine years were very tough for the First Group."
You do spout sone drivel
Workers should be grateful that they have a job. Now that is Dickensian.
How can it be an inflation busting pay rise if it’s below or matching inflation? FFS
What has railworkers it in the private sector got to do with pensioners ? Any pension funds are gambles and they can easily move investments elsewhere .
Expect a dividend ha ha . I can take form that you are not an investor.
The average house price is ten times the average wage today . In 1970 rent accounted for 9% of the average workers income . Today it accounts for around 34% . I’m sure they feel overpaid with such statistics .
Yes first group has been singled out as one of the most poorly run and costed franchises which I agree with you . Terrible management.
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
Also the word inconvenience makes it sound trivial when added massive issues and problems for people trying to live their lives.
One person has even tried to tell me that there hasn't been that many strikes on the tube this year and in fact it's been pretty constant.
One person has asked you to clarify there have been the 12 strikes on TFL that you claimed earlier in the thread, who has told you there hasn't been many?but its not all about the wages a lot of it as i have said before is to do with attack's on working conditions and attempts to cut corners on maintenance to save money now go back to 2000 and look at exactly what happened to Rail track when they tried the same cost cutting totally gutting the maintenance staff and the vast amount of experience built up over the years and replacing with "graduates " with a degree in engineering
It was the Hatfield rail crash on 17 October 2000 that proved to be the defining moment in Railtrack's collapse.[12] The subsequent major repairs undertaken across the whole British rail network are estimated to have cost in the order of £580 million. According to Christian Wolmar, author of On the Wrong Line, the Railtrack board panicked in the wake of Hatfield.[13] Because most of the engineering skill of British Rail had been sold off into the maintenance and renewal companies, Railtrack had no idea how many Hatfields were waiting to happen, nor did they have any way of assessing the consequence of the speed restrictions they were ordering – restrictions that brought the railway network to all but a standstill.[14]
how many hatfields have to happen before shapps and his cronies realize you cannot cut corners with rail safety this is what they are fighting your safety and their safety not just wages high wages are no good if your dead due to poor maintenance is it
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Am fully supportive mate, seen too many times the reality of cuts and the loss of time served personnel with years of experience which is lost when fast tracking takes place..
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
Also the word inconvenience makes it sound trivial when added massive issues and problems for people trying to live their lives.
One person has even tried to tell me that there hasn't been that many strikes on the tube this year and in fact it's been pretty constant.
One person has asked you to clarify there have been the 12 strikes on TFL that you claimed earlier in the thread, who has told you there hasn't been many?but its not all about the wages a lot of it as i have said before is to do with attack's on working conditions and attempts to cut corners on maintenance to save money now go back to 2000 and look at exactly what happened to Rail track when they tried the same cost cutting totally gutting the maintenance staff and the vast amount of experience built up over the years and replacing with "graduates " with a degree in engineering
It was the Hatfield rail crash on 17 October 2000 that proved to be the defining moment in Railtrack's collapse.[12] The subsequent major repairs undertaken across the whole British rail network are estimated to have cost in the order of £580 million. According to Christian Wolmar, author of On the Wrong Line, the Railtrack board panicked in the wake of Hatfield.[13] Because most of the engineering skill of British Rail had been sold off into the maintenance and renewal companies, Railtrack had no idea how many Hatfields were waiting to happen, nor did they have any way of assessing the consequence of the speed restrictions they were ordering – restrictions that brought the railway network to all but a standstill.[14]
how many hatfields have to happen before shapps and his cronies realize you cannot cut corners with rail safety this is what they are fighting your safety and their safety not just wages high wages are no good if your dead due to poor maintenance is it
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. It is rather ironic that the Union have shown a distinct lack if interest in rail safety. They have refused to allow the use of camera technology which would reduce the risks of some rail workers having to walk the track. . It is only used as an excuse in an attempt to gain public sympathy . If the public were coverned about safety they would refuse to travel. |
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8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country. |
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" If the public were coverned about safety they would refuse to travel. "
I have to say, this kind of surreal comedy is better than your material about how xenophobic and apathetic British people are. |
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over a year ago
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"I am thinking the RMT are being unreasonable, seeing qs Train drivers get around 50k per year. Yes there's cleaners and other lower paid staff on shit wages, so why can't the pay bands in rail companies be better structured?
Im all for the lower paid staff getting a rise but not the likes of those getting 50k per year"
so you’re happy for corporations to have record profits with no pay rise for workers for years? Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets. Don’t fall for right wing propaganda. They love dividing the working class as much as they can. |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country. "
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
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"Still waiting from my portion of the trickle down economics, maybe if I wait patiently some crumbs will be given to me before I struggle to pay my bills. Better not join a union to make my position stronger eh.
I am not against unions. What I'm against is Unions holding the country to ransom with unreasonable demands given the current climate. Who do you think is ultimately gonna pay for this pay rise, Because I will tell you it will be those that rely on the train and tube networks to get to work who haven't had a pay rise in many cases.
No one is held to ransom. Get the bus, drive , ride a bike. Have a zoom call. Or as the cabinet state get a different job. It’s easy isn’t it?
Given that 25% of people are no longer using the trains since Covid are you saying they were held to ransom too ? Or have they just made other arrangements . Shock
Sone people will be losing out of course they will like low paid city cleaners or security guards but so will the low paid workers in the rail industry if they don’t get a decent pay rise. So saying others will lose out is not a reason for the rail workers to suffer too.
Anything below 11% is a pay cut. Nurses would be on a par with train drivers had their wages just kept up with inflation.
It seems people want others to be paid less year on year. Why??
How are dividends paid if there are no profits?
How can they afford the executive pay?
Shapps just lies day after day. Another legacy of Boris. He says workers aren’t flexible because they are not working on different lines. That’s like saying Tesco workers should work at sainsburys next door as it’s the same job. It’s a franchise system. The workers are in the same union not the same business.
As a regular train user I totally support the rail workers in their action. I employ a lot of people and totally understand the issues they face. Our profits will be less due to pay rises and that fucking nightmare Brexit . Yes, yet more lies.
As for current climate , well seeing as we’re the worst performing country in the G20 not under sanctions, who prey tell me is responsible for that?
Maybe a fairer tax regime and better economic management would have helped keep inflation down . But no, all we get is oven ready and get Brexit done. Slogan economics at its finest.
We are disabled So cannot get on a bike or walk, We live in London and do not drive. If we wanted to get a bus when there is a tube strike on we would be looking at adding 2 hours each way to our journey. It is very privileged people that don't have to worry about living their life every time the tubes or trains go on strike.
Yes and as I said above some will suffer so you have my sympathy. So those thousands of workers should take pay cuts to stop you being inconvenienced? Is that what you’re saying? . There is just one small problem with your argument. The union has already been offered a rise of 8 % . That seems more than generous to me .
Also the word inconvenience makes it sound trivial when added massive issues and problems for people trying to live their lives.
One person has even tried to tell me that there hasn't been that many strikes on the tube this year and in fact it's been pretty constant.
One person has asked you to clarify there have been the 12 strikes on TFL that you claimed earlier in the thread, who has told you there hasn't been many?but its not all about the wages a lot of it as i have said before is to do with attack's on working conditions and attempts to cut corners on maintenance to save money now go back to 2000 and look at exactly what happened to Rail track when they tried the same cost cutting totally gutting the maintenance staff and the vast amount of experience built up over the years and replacing with "graduates " with a degree in engineering
It was the Hatfield rail crash on 17 October 2000 that proved to be the defining moment in Railtrack's collapse.[12] The subsequent major repairs undertaken across the whole British rail network are estimated to have cost in the order of £580 million. According to Christian Wolmar, author of On the Wrong Line, the Railtrack board panicked in the wake of Hatfield.[13] Because most of the engineering skill of British Rail had been sold off into the maintenance and renewal companies, Railtrack had no idea how many Hatfields were waiting to happen, nor did they have any way of assessing the consequence of the speed restrictions they were ordering – restrictions that brought the railway network to all but a standstill.[14]
how many hatfields have to happen before shapps and his cronies realize you cannot cut corners with rail safety this is what they are fighting your safety and their safety not just wages high wages are no good if your dead due to poor maintenance is it
. It is rather ironic that the Union have shown a distinct lack if interest in rail safety. They have refused to allow the use of camera technology which would reduce the risks of some rail workers having to walk the track. . It is only used as an excuse in an attempt to gain public sympathy . If the public were coverned about safety they would refuse to travel. "
Read that in the daily mail pat..?
What year btw.. |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country.
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
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. Many people are greatfull to be in a job , let alone refuse to accept an increase of 8 % . Why should these workers expect preferential treatment? |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets."
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
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Oh, so you agree that state owned rail is much more beneficial to society than a corporation ran on greed? Sounds to me like we should nationalise the UK rail industry. |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
Oh, so you agree that state owned rail is much more beneficial to society than a corporation ran on greed? Sounds to me like we should nationalise the UK rail industry. "
bit in this case the greedy corporations are also the state companies!
I suspect state own only works well of the state is willing to invest.
Not convinced we have the appetite here. |
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"Are rail fare increases still linked to inflation?
remains to be seen if the traditional increase of 2% above inflation will still be the norm."
thanks. Assuming it does then the argument that wage increases lead to price increases doesn't hold. All anyone is arguing about is how much of the increase goes to the workers not the shareholder. Interesting |
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"Oh, so you agree that state owned rail is much more beneficial to society than a corporation ran on greed? Sounds to me like we should nationalise the UK rail industry. "
indubitably .... when key infrastructure is taken care of at source, it frees us all up to go about the business of making money rather than wasting huge amounts of time attempting to find marginal savings on costs for everyday expenses. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
Oh, so you agree that state owned rail is much more beneficial to society than a corporation ran on greed? Sounds to me like we should nationalise the UK rail industry. "
That looks increasingly unlikely. I do not expect the Tories to do it and Labour seem to be shying away from the idea too. If neither Tories or Labour will do it then who? |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
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It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available. These are not very different to some UK advance purchases. . To travel today the fare is at least £90 which is about 4 times the figure which you have quoted . |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country.
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
. Many people are greatfull to be in a job , let alone refuse to accept an increase of 8 % . Why should these workers expect preferential treatment? "
Why so much hate towards working people? What did we ever do to you? |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available. "
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. "
. I am on the website to which you refer now. The price which you quote is for a bus not a train . Fares for the train for to morrow range from. 76.30 euros to 101 75 euros. |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. . I am on the website to which you refer now. The price which you quote is for a bus not a train . Fares for the train for to morrow range from. 76.30 euros to 101 75 euros. "
How dare you fact check instead of blindly believing what they say? |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. . I am on the website to which you refer now. The price which you quote is for a bus not a train . Fares for the train for to morrow range from. 76.30 euros to 101 75 euros. "
you appear to be in a muddle. i have looked this morning on the renfe website and have found a seat on the train today for £25 ... you are quoting some erroneous price for tomorrow. it's apparent that you are looking for the most expensive travel on a completely different day. |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. . I am on the website to which you refer now. The price which you quote is for a bus not a train . Fares for the train for to morrow range from. 76.30 euros to 101 75 euros.
you appear to be in a muddle. i have looked this morning on the renfe website and have found a seat on the train today for £25 ... you are quoting some erroneous price for tomorrow. it's apparent that you are looking for the most expensive travel on a completely different day."
what is it of you looked now ? |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. . I am on the website to which you refer now. The price which you quote is for a bus not a train . Fares for the train for to morrow range from. 76.30 euros to 101 75 euros.
you appear to be in a muddle. i have looked this morning on the renfe website and have found a seat on the train today for £25 ... you are quoting some erroneous price for tomorrow. it's apparent that you are looking for the most expensive travel on a completely different day."
Your results are entirely different to mine. The result which h I have indicates no trains today and the next service is a bus at 15 00 at a cost of 23.49 euros. The first train is to morrow morning at a cost of 76.30 euros |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. "
Taken overall the UK is one of the most expensive in Europe with one of the worst services. |
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. Taken overall the UK is one of the most expensive in Europe with one of the worst services."
There has been enough research published on this. UK trains are cheaper compared to Europe when you book early. They are expensive only if you book on the day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49346642 |
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The claim: The UK has the most expensive train fares in Europe.
Reality Check verdict: The claim is based on very narrow research. The UK has some of the most expensive tickets in Europe if bought on the day of travel but some of the cheapest tickets if bought far enough in advance.
The Trades Union Congress (TUC) general secretary Frances O'Grady has said: "The last thing UK commuters need is another hefty fare increase. We're already paying the highest ticket prices in Europe."
The trade union umbrella body pointed us towards a few pieces of research to support this claim.
The first came from an organisation called Vouchercloud, which compared the price of a single ticket bought on the day of travel from a European capital city to somewhere about 50 miles (80km) away.
The UK (specifically the route from London to Oxford) did indeed come out as the most expensive - but is this a useful way to compare train fares?
First of all, we know buying tickets on the day of travel in the UK is expensive, so people tend to avoid it when they can. Commuters would be particularly likely to avoid doing so.
Also, UK train fares tend to be structured to make return train tickets only slightly more expensive than single tickets whereas in many other European countries they will be twice the price. Again, commuters would be particularly unlikely to buy a single ticket. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"Where do you think those record profits go? Because it certainly isn’t into the workers pockets.
mostly to the spanish, french, german and dutch state owned rail companies that are invested in the UK franchises. this is why I can travel from Madrid to Granada in 1HR 20mins at a speed of 200mph for £25. I said overall we are one of the most expensive mile for mile and we are. Also in too many cases booking early does not work out cheap as we have found out and opted for flights at a fraction of train ticket prices with a guaranteed seat.
It looks like you have simply selected the cheapest far available.
correct. i have looked on the renfe website and selected the cheapest ticket for today. you seem to be in a muddle with your figures mostly because you haven't been bothered to check. Taken overall the UK is one of the most expensive in Europe with one of the worst services.
There has been enough research published on this. UK trains are cheaper compared to Europe when you book early. They are expensive only if you book on the day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49346642"
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I love the rail system and have only encountered great people working there who were always very helpful. Let’s hope they soon reach agreement and we get back to normal.
The danger as I see it now is that we seem less affected by the strikes so they could go on and on at great cost to the workers. |
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"this is solely my opinion
there are 2 types of people
1) those who support workers and their right to strike/collective action.
2) assholes
Wow!! Anyone who doesn't agree with your views must be assholes. You are such an open minded person.
This. ^^^
Winston
What others may not listen to but you may is that i was making a statement and using exaggeration and a meme format as part of it.
If people really really think that kind of statement is 100% literal, then that really is a truly sad indictment on society as a whole. In my opinion
It was crystal clear you were calling another poster an asshole.
Saying "it was only a meme and I didn'tmean it literally" is a transparent untruth.
It was abuse, plain and simple.
Winston
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Well you are welcome to miscomprehend my intent, that is your right.
You are wrong however. |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country.
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
. Many people are greatfull to be in a job , let alone refuse to accept an increase of 8 % . Why should these workers expect preferential treatment? "
There's 1.3 million vacancies currently pat, some due to the brexit self harm were engaged in and the pandemic has had an effect to I suspect so there's lots of choices out there..
It's not 8%..
It's been explained to you and others that with expected changes to working practices it's 2.8%..
To expect in what is still the 6th? richest economy a wage that keeps pace with inflation is not asking for preferential treatment.. |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country.
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
. Many people are greatfull to be in a job , let alone refuse to accept an increase of 8 % . Why should these workers expect preferential treatment? "
Because they have a strong union and collectively bargain for better. Do that or welcome Britannia unchained. |
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"Alright. Let's all throw abuses at one another and then claim that others miscomprehended it."
Happens all the time and you can see the condescending comments on here just because somebody has dared to disagree with them. |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country.
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
. Many people are greatfull to be in a job , let alone refuse to accept an increase of 8 % . Why should these workers expect preferential treatment?
Why so much hate towards working people? What did we ever do to you?"
Is it hate? Or is it people getting frustrated that The unions particularly regarding the rail network are constantly looking for a reason to strike? |
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"Alright. Let's all throw abuses at one another and then claim that others miscomprehended it.
Happens all the time and you can see the condescending comments on here just because somebody has dared to disagree with them. "
100% hand on heart I only actually think 2 people at a stretch 3 I have met on this forum are assholes, none of them are in this thread.
I disagree with and dislike the polities of MANY more, I don't think they are assholes though.
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"Alright. Let's all throw abuses at one another and then claim that others miscomprehended it.
Happens all the time and you can see the condescending comments on here just because somebody has dared to disagree with them.
100% hand on heart I only actually think 2 people at a stretch 3 I have met on this forum are assholes, none of them are in this thread.
I disagree with and dislike the polities of MANY more, I don't think they are assholes though.
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But your original post says that anyone who doesn't support strike action is an asshole. |
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"8% has now been offered but the unions had to accept changes to working practices of a fifth more hours per shift etc, which when calculated made the wage increase roughly a 2.8% rise, which is less than what was offered in the first place. this is why the silent majority stand with the rail workers who are striking for eveyone in the country.
Agreed..
It's a piss take and I'm guessing many of those condemning them for not accepting a condition like that wouldn't also accept it in their own profession..
That anyone might contemplate it if it were to the case speaks volumes..
. Many people are greatfull to be in a job , let alone refuse to accept an increase of 8 % . Why should these workers expect preferential treatment?
Why so much hate towards working people? What did we ever do to you?"
. What does a reference to working people have to do with the topic. . Even the Chairman of Network Rail is a working person. He started his career as a bus driver and worked his way up. He still holds a licence to drive buses. If you are as interested in working people as much as you claim to be , maybe you should listen to hid guidance and advice. A 100 year review of history shows that however bad a dispute is people go back to work. |
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Hmmm think you should read Britannia unchanged, our new Truss overlord thinks the British workers are the most idle in the world and they need to take our rights away, seems they are the ones who have no regard for the workers. |
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"Here is an interesting fact for you.
The last London Underground ballot.
Number of individuals who were entitled to vote in the ballot: 10,056
Number of votes cast in the ballot: 5,344
So only 53% actually voted.
Other interesting fact, brexit went through on a far lesser number percentage wise of the country..
MPs regularly get elected on a smaller percentage too..
What point are you trying to make?
Actually you are wrong.
Over 72% of eligible people voted on the EU referendum.
I meant, possibly worded it badly that less people voted to leave 51.89 is less than the 53 you quote as voting yes so what point are you trying to make..
And we both know that in some by elections we elect MPs on far less than either .."
I never said 53% voted to strike at all. The 53% refers to the amount of people who actually returned their ballot papers. Not which way they voted.
Just short of 49% voted for industrial action actually.
So using your own comparison, a higher percentage voted for Brexit than LUL industrial action. |
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