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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK." I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? " Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin." They were British citizens? | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? " I don't know 100% but quite possibly, in the same way the Windrush generation were. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? I don't know 100% but quite possibly, in the same way the Windrush generation were." I think the majority were British citizens | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? " Indians. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? I don't know 100% but quite possibly, in the same way the Windrush generation were." No, very different situation & circumstances. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? Indians." How did the British manage to take Indian people from India? | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? I don't know 100% but quite possibly, in the same way the Windrush generation were. I think the majority were British citizens " They would describe themselves as Ugandan Indians, same as many Kenyan Indians that I know. Second or third generation at the time so going back to days of the Empire. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? Indians. How did the British manage to take Indian people from India? " They didn’t. The offer/ opportunity for work encouraged them to go. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? Indians. How did the British manage to take Indian people from India? They didn’t. The offer/ opportunity for work encouraged them to go." Ah, so they were working for the British | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? Indians. How did the British manage to take Indian people from India? They didn’t. The offer/ opportunity for work encouraged them to go. Ah, so they were working for the British " Yes, as they didn’t want to employ locals as they felt they would use the money to buy weapons. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. I applaud the efforts made by everyone at the time for making this possible . Why were so many Asians in Uganda ? Indians really, same in Kenya. The British wanted to build a railway from Mombasa through Kenya to Kampala. They didn’t want to use the locals as sl@ve Labour and they didn’t want pay them. So they brought workers over from India, many others followed to set up businesses to support them. Hence a large & successful Indian business community which I think so enraged Idi Amin. They were British citizens? Indians. How did the British manage to take Indian people from India? They didn’t. The offer/ opportunity for work encouraged them to go. Ah, so they were working for the British Yes, as they didn’t want to employ locals as they felt they would use the money to buy weapons. " Fair enough,  | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK." Hold on, didn't you say earlier that you don't spend any time worrying about foreigners. Yet you started a new thread worried about foreigners. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK. Hold on, didn't you say earlier that you don't spend any time worrying about foreigners. Yet you started a new thread worried about foreigners. " not going to lie, I found this a strange turn of events. | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK." | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK" Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today!" An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. | |||
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" Not widely known, is that Leicester Council put posters out, disuading them from settling in Leicester." They also put adverts in Ugandan newspapers | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages." So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages?" I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. " I thought they were coming here for free phones, luxury hotel stays, amazing benefits etc etc? | |||
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"Many that came, had British or Commonwealth passports. Not widely known, is that Leicester Council put posters out, disuading them from settling in Leicester. It had the adverse affect." That is what I thought, they were British citizens , I am not sure what a commonwealth passport is though | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. " I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners?" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. | |||
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" How did the British manage to take Indian people from India? " Aboard ships of the British India Steam Navigation Company. Many of the East African Asians who came to the UK were familiar with the ships Kampala and Karanja in post war years and into the seventies. | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. " Okay. What's specifically bad about people who arrived from the Caribbean in the 50s? | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. Okay. What's specifically bad about people who arrived from the Caribbean in the 50s?" I didn’t say there was anything ‘bad’. Just that I can’t see how the country benefited. | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. Okay. What's specifically bad about people who arrived from the Caribbean in the 50s? I didn’t say there was anything ‘bad’. Just that I can’t see how the country benefited." Why did you pick these people from this time period? How many were there, what contributions did they make, how closely did you follow their lives after they arrived here? | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. Okay. What's specifically bad about people who arrived from the Caribbean in the 50s? I didn’t say there was anything ‘bad’. Just that I can’t see how the country benefited. Why did you pick these people from this time period? How many were there, what contributions did they make, how closely did you follow their lives after they arrived here?" Just a general observation. I think that’s still allowed? I did ask on here the other day as to how the UK benefitted and we didn’t really get beyond music - with which I agree. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. " 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords?" I think we would have coped. | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. Okay. What's specifically bad about people who arrived from the Caribbean in the 50s? I didn’t say there was anything ‘bad’. Just that I can’t see how the country benefited. Why did you pick these people from this time period? How many were there, what contributions did they make, how closely did you follow their lives after they arrived here? Just a general observation. I think that’s still allowed? I did ask on here the other day as to how the UK benefitted and we didn’t really get beyond music - with which I agree. " So just based on nothing at all. Amazing. There was a long list of contributions that people suggested. Feel free to look back. Also, you're the one making this bizarre claim. The onus is on you to back it up with something. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. " So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. " Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? " Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? | |||
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"This is how Priti Patel's parents came to UK Why didn’t they just stop in the first safe country? Oh wait, they were able to board a plane and avail themselves of a legal channel into the UK unlike today! An observation from those days as I was involved in a small way. It was pretty much all entire families, children, parents, grandparents. Not 90% young men. Certainly no false ages. So much worry about foreigners. Where do you get this stat about 90% young men? And wouldn't these be what we need to fill the labour shortages? I have zero worry of foreigners. At heart I believe in open borders. I would love to be able to simply up sticks , move to France and see out my days. Sadly we live in a world where this is not possible, people take advantage and are taken advantage of. You know as well as me that probably higher than 90% of these illegal immigrants are you men. Those already here and stuck in hotels at the taxpayers expense are in this category. Do you really think they will be happy working for a shitty minimum wage in a shitty job, living in appalling conditions, far from their loved ones for very long? I’m puzzled as to why you are so keen on young men with an unknown background flooding into a foreign country of which they know nothing, from another continent, with differing customs and beliefs. For the record - I’m not saying our beliefs are better, just different. I don't know this, how do you know it? And immigration has a net positive impact on the economy. I find people from all over the world, of all different cultures fall into two categories, nice people, or dickheads. (With some in between). And it's completely unrelated to country of origin or ethnicity. If you're not worried about foreigners, why do you constantly post messages here expressing worry about foreigners? I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. Okay. What's specifically bad about people who arrived from the Caribbean in the 50s? I didn’t say there was anything ‘bad’. Just that I can’t see how the country benefited. Why did you pick these people from this time period? How many were there, what contributions did they make, how closely did you follow their lives after they arrived here? Just a general observation. I think that’s still allowed? I did ask on here the other day as to how the UK benefitted and we didn’t really get beyond music - with which I agree. " Hmmm you do know the history around why there was an influx of people from the Caribbean colonies/ex-colonies in the 50s right? It was based on a manpower shortage in post war Britain and the Govt invited them! We needed workers! I’d say that was the benefit! | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you?" You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? " Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading!" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? " Why are you asking this specific question, then implying either they didn't make any contribution (which is false), or that their contribution doesn't matter (which is against yourself)? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants." Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Why are you asking this specific question, then implying either they didn't make any contribution (which is false), or that their contribution doesn't matter (which is against yourself)? " *Arguing against yourself. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Why are you asking this specific question, then implying either they didn't make any contribution (which is false), or that their contribution doesn't matter (which is against yourself)? " I was puzzled by your ‘hmmm’ moment and your incorrect comment on my views of Ugandans which you seem to have avoided. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? " I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues." I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what." I repeat for the one millionth time, I am not worried about foreigners. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what. I repeat for the one millionth time, I am not worried about foreigners. " Then what word would you use? worried seems accurate by the way you talk about it | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants." So Britain did not need workers in the 50s? Didn’t have labour problems that were helped to be solved by immigration from the Caribbean? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what. I repeat for the one millionth time, I am not worried about foreigners. Then what word would you use? worried seems accurate by the way you talk about it" I have a legitimate concern as to the well being of those involved and the impact on the UK of uncontrolled or illegal immigration. I will admit to a personal hypocrisy on immigration- if it was restricted to attractive single young women I wouldn’t have a concern at all! Of any colour by the way. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. So Britain did not need workers in the 50s? Didn’t have labour problems that were helped to be solved by immigration from the Caribbean? " We would have coped. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what. I repeat for the one millionth time, I am not worried about foreigners. Then what word would you use? worried seems accurate by the way you talk about it" I feel he isn't worried abut foreigners, as long as they don't enter the country illegally or out stay their welcome. | |||
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"I have a legitimate concern as to the well being of those involved and the impact on the UK of uncontrolled or illegal immigration. I will admit to a personal hypocrisy on immigration- if it was restricted to attractive single young women I wouldn’t have a concern at all! Of any colour by the way. " From thesaurus dot com concern noun interest; anxiety care concernment consideration heed interest regard solicitousness solicitude agita anxiety anxiousness apprehension apprehensiveness disquiet disquietude distress unease uneasiness worriment worry Worry Concerned and worried are literally synonyms... | |||
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"I have a legitimate concern as to the well being of those involved and the impact on the UK of uncontrolled or illegal immigration. I will admit to a personal hypocrisy on immigration- if it was restricted to attractive single young women I wouldn’t have a concern at all! Of any colour by the way. From thesaurus dot com concern noun interest; anxiety care concernment consideration heed interest regard solicitousness solicitude agita anxiety anxiousness apprehension apprehensiveness disquiet disquietude distress unease uneasiness worriment worry Worry Concerned and worried are literally synonyms..." And? | |||
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"Concerned and worried are literally synonyms... And? " So you say you are not worried (many times by the way) and use another word that means the same thing... Thats bad faith arguing. | |||
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"Concerned and worried are literally synonyms... And? So you say you are not worried (many times by the way) and use another word that means the same thing... Thats bad faith arguing." Worried about what? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what. I repeat for the one millionth time, I am not worried about foreigners. Then what word would you use? worried seems accurate by the way you talk about it I have a legitimate concern as to the well being of those involved and the impact on the UK of uncontrolled or illegal immigration. I will admit to a personal hypocrisy on immigration- if it was restricted to attractive single young women I wouldn’t have a concern at all! Of any colour by the way. " We don't have uncontrolled immigration. And any problems with illegal immigration are grossly exaggerated. So no need to worry. | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants. Is there a downside to increasing the choice of ‘ethnic’ restaurants? I didn’t say there was - in fact I’m off to McDonald’s for lunch. It explains why politicians only pay lip service to immigration issues. I think you misunderstand why the government promotes propaganda exaggerating problems with immigration. But you seem determined to be worried about foreigners no matter what. I repeat for the one millionth time, I am not worried about foreigners. Then what word would you use? worried seems accurate by the way you talk about it I have a legitimate concern as to the well being of those involved and the impact on the UK of uncontrolled or illegal immigration. I will admit to a personal hypocrisy on immigration- if it was restricted to attractive single young women I wouldn’t have a concern at all! Of any colour by the way. We don't have uncontrolled immigration. And any problems with illegal immigration are grossly exaggerated. So no need to worry." We did for many years. Grossly exaggerated by who? And do you have facts to back this up or just your observation? | |||
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" I’ve never posted expressing a worry of foreigners. Immigration can have a positive impact, not always though. I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example.There are challenges as well. There are also negative reactions, the 2016 Brexit vote being the best (or worst!) example. A protest vote for which we are now paying the price. I think everyone agrees that controlled immigration is a good thing and I’m proud that the UK has a terrific history in this respect. Uncontrolled immigration can lead to real Problems and build resentment. 'I can’t see any real benefit from the Caribbean immigration from the 50’s for example' That sentence looks set to get this thread really going. Where do we start? Nursing? Contruction? Railways? Huge income boost for landlords? I think we would have coped. So they did make a contribution, but you still don't like people who arrived from the Carribbean in the 50s. Hmmmm. What could this be about. Hmmmm. It's a mystery. Please point out where I said I don’t like them? What was / is the contribution? Okay, worried about them. I'm not the one making this bizarre claim. I don't need to tell you their contribution. The onus is on you to back this up. Many many contributions have been pointed out here and on other threads. You seem to still have a problem with these people. So you're worried about people from the Carribbean, and people from Uganda. Hmmm. What do these people have in common that worries you? You seem to suffer from SRS. I’m not worried about immigrants from the Caribbean and if you check back and read you will see my positive OP on Ugandans. I haven’t made a bizarre claim. I simply question as to how immigration from the Caribbean benefited the UK. I hope you are not suggesting that we cannot possibly question this because they are black, are you? Workers! Britain needed workers in the post WW2 economic boom. To rebuild infrastructure. To replace all the men (and women) lost b/w 1939-45 and the birth rate reduction caused by so many men fighting overseas. Jeez Seb do some reading! It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. They were never meant to settle here. I have no problem with that believe it or not, what I struggle with is the white liberal assumption that all immigration is fantastic and doesn’t present any challenges whatsoever. Usually from a very comfortable position. Same with our politicians of all sides, it reduces the cost of their au pairs and increases their choice of ethnic restaurants." You've stated this before, without evidence. Immigration to the at this time was not only from the Carribbean. The "challenges" of immigration as encountered at the time were not in speaking the language or doing the jobs for which there were many vacancies. It was finding accommodation for "their sort" even though there was no shortage in general. It was also overt racism and abuse both from the public and the state that had invited them. There is currently a significant shortage of trained medical staff, care staff, engineers and technicians. As a state we have not chosen to provide training in some areas. As a people we have chosen not to train in certain professions. As a society we do not value some professions. That is not the fault of immigrants of whom we invite many but choose to arbitrarily deny others who may be equally or better qualified and are in more need. | |||
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"What puzzles me is that given the brutal and barbaric way that the UK built and ran an empire, and our involvement in the sl@ve trade, and the fact that this island is full of racists, why anyone in their right mind would want to come here. What is the attraction? " Free phones, hotels & amazing hand outs | |||
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"What puzzles me is that given the brutal and barbaric way that the UK built and ran an empire, and our involvement in the sl@ve trade, and the fact that this island is full of racists, why anyone in their right mind would want to come here. What is the attraction? Free phones, hotels & amazing hand outs " They need to read my review of when I stayed at the Grand in Scarborough back in 2018. Fuck me! They’ll be buying dinghies to get them back to France and I will jump in with them. What a shit hole. | |||
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"From thesaurus dot com concern noun interest; anxiety care concernment . . . worry Worry Concerned and worried are literally synonyms..." For heaven's sake, a thesaurus is not a list of synonyms, it's a list of similar words. Are you really going to tell me that 'anxiety' and 'care' mean exactly the same thing? If you're going to start throwing around grammatical terms, find out what they mean first. | |||
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"What puzzles me is that given the brutal and barbaric way that the UK built and ran an empire, and our involvement in the sl@ve trade, and the fact that this island is full of racists, why anyone in their right mind would want to come here. What is the attraction? Free phones, hotels & amazing hand outs They need to read my review of when I stayed at the Grand in Scarborough back in 2018. Fuck me! They’ll be buying dinghies to get them back to France and I will jump in with them. What a shit hole." Was it free? | |||
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"From thesaurus dot com concern noun interest; anxiety care concernment . . . worry Worry Concerned and worried are literally synonyms... For heaven's sake, a thesaurus is not a list of synonyms, it's a list of similar words. Are you really going to tell me that 'anxiety' and 'care' mean exactly the same thing? If you're going to start throwing around grammatical terms, find out what they mean first." Thesaurus is ‘a book that lists words in groups of synonyms and related concepts’ | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. " Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow." We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow." Why is it ‘utter rubbish’? They came here for work and a better way of life. Why is it contemptuous to ask the question? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame." 1 it was not the public mistreating these people. 2 it was a political party in office of government mistreating these people. 3. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. 1 it was not the public mistreating these people. 2 it was a political party in office of government mistreating these people. 3." Not disagreeing, it is still a national shame what the Government did and how they treated them. I will say they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't going to curry favour with a portion of the population. Who cheered them on. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. Why is it ‘utter rubbish’? They came here for work and a better way of life. Why is it contemptuous to ask the question? " It's "utter rubbish" because I have documentary proof, as well as long-told family and contemporary histories, that your "false claim" statement is itself false; and it's contemptuous because the answer is fairly obvious, if you cared to just look around you, or maybe just think about it - among many, doing jobs that the indigenous wouldn't do (now where have I heard that before?), helping to staff the NHS, British Rail/London Underground and other organisations that were short-handed after the war...and that's even before I mention many famous Caribbeans who've achieved in sport, entertainment, politics, public service and so on over the last 60-70 years, and thus being positive role models and inspiration for others. I mean, seriously??  | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. 1 it was not the public mistreating these people. 2 it was a political party in office of government mistreating these people. 3. Not disagreeing, it is still a national shame what the Government did and how they treated them. I will say they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't going to curry favour with a portion of the population. Who cheered them on." are you saying people would of voted for it. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. 1 it was not the public mistreating these people. 2 it was a political party in office of government mistreating these people. 3. Not disagreeing, it is still a national shame what the Government did and how they treated them. I will say they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't going to curry favour with a portion of the population. Who cheered them on. are you saying people would of voted for it." Some definitely would have | |||
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"It’s the 50th anniversary of them being kicked out and seeking safety and a new life in the UK. I remember it well as I helped my brother at his Heathrow based freight company. These poor people had all their belongings ransacked by the Ugandans. All that left was a rotting damp mess of broken suitcases. The look on their faces when they came to collect will stay with me for ever. What a fantastic contribution they went on to make to this country . And how great was the compassion and help shown to them from the UK." The Ugandan Indians were not invited to the UK. They came because they had British citizenship via the Commonwealth. Immigration policy was changed as a result of this influx of "foreigners" to stop anything similar from happening again. Many also suffered racist abuse. Some moved again because they were not warmly welcomed. Happily, many did settle and find there place and were accepted for who they were by many people in the UK. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame." You’ve clearly fallen for the story. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story." What story ? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story." Someone has fallen for a story and it clearly isn't me. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What story ? " The recent glorification of the Windrush immigrants. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What story ? The recent glorification of the Windrush immigrants. " Ah right, what is the ‘true story ‘ ? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What story ? The recent glorification of the Windrush immigrants. " Make up as much as you want... everyone is seeing it for what it is... grade a BS | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. 1 it was not the public mistreating these people. 2 it was a political party in office of government mistreating these people. 3. Not disagreeing, it is still a national shame what the Government did and how they treated them. I will say they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't going to curry favour with a portion of the population. Who cheered them on. are you saying people would of voted for it." People voted for the party that said that it would impose these "zero tolerance" immigration measures. They continue to do so and the Conservative party believe that it is such a vote winner that they continue to emphasise what is a tiny problem. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story." What is this "the story" and what is your reality? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality?" The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. " Who said they were heroes? Do you think they were treated fairly ? Do you think the Ugandan expats and Caribbean expats were equally beneficial to the country | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? " Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, " I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing Why would a storm be brewing? Can we not debate different points of view? " Of course we can, but I have no idea where you are going with this, other down a deep hole. Happy to be proven wrong, and look forward to your different point of view | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC." Where have they been called heroes? I think they are decent hard working people who have been treated abysmally | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. Where have they been called heroes? I think they are decent hard working people who have been treated abysmally " As I said before, wow, just wow..."none so blind" and all that...  | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. " What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. " There has always been unemployment and emigration from the Carribbean. However, at this exact point in time, out of the goodness of our hearts the UK offered to bring the unemployed people over on a holiday? Why would they do them this favour? How do you evidence your assertion? You understand that correlation does not equal causation, don't you? Why did people from South Asia come over at the same time? Of course people came here for a a better way of life. That was what was being offered and they had been taught that they were British, not "foreigners". Some intended to stay, and some to return. | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC." Ugandan Indians made a positive contribution but West Indians did not? Who was doing the nursing in the NHS? Driving the buses, delivering the post, doing the cleaning? Were they not necessary jobs that we could have, "coped" without, but Ugandan Indians doing the same things were helpful? This is all very confusing. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days." Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. There has always been unemployment and emigration from the Carribbean. However, at this exact point in time, out of the goodness of our hearts the UK offered to bring the unemployed people over on a holiday? Why would they do them this favour? How do you evidence your assertion? You understand that correlation does not equal causation, don't you? Why did people from South Asia come over at the same time? Of course people came here for a a better way of life. That was what was being offered and they had been taught that they were British, not "foreigners". Some intended to stay, and some to return." Holiday? | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC." Guess you didn't read my earlier response, then... Maybe this will help, although I suspect not, but hey, whatever?
https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to " I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to " I think you are right | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. There has always been unemployment and emigration from the Carribbean. However, at this exact point in time, out of the goodness of our hearts the UK offered to bring the unemployed people over on a holiday? Why would they do them this favour? How do you evidence your assertion? You understand that correlation does not equal causation, don't you? Why did people from South Asia come over at the same time? Of course people came here for a a better way of life. That was what was being offered and they had been taught that they were British, not "foreigners". Some intended to stay, and some to return. Holiday? " Ah. Your life is empty and you just want some attention. You are not actually making any useful points. Merely trying to stir controversy. Well done you | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. " Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. Guess you didn't read my earlier response, then... Maybe this will help, although I suspect not, but hey, whatever?
https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain"Don’t believe everything you read. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? " Most were indeed unaffected. | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. Guess you didn't read my earlier response, then... Maybe this will help, although I suspect not, but hey, whatever?
https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain
Don’t believe everything you read. "...but we should believe the secret history that you have read? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. " I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. Guess you didn't read my earlier response, then... Maybe this will help, although I suspect not, but hey, whatever?
https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain
Don’t believe everything you read.
...but we should believe the secret history that you have read?"Why on earth would you do that? Holiday? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then." I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. " "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content. | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. Guess you didn't read my earlier response, then... Maybe this will help, although I suspect not, but hey, whatever?
https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain
Don’t believe everything you read.
...but we should believe the secret history that you have read?
Why on earth would you do that?
Holiday? "Yes holiday. Inviting some unemployed people over temporarily to a country that could "cope" without them and then sending them back, as you assert. You assert that this was done because West Indian governments asked the UK to "help them" with long running unemployment with some temporary trips to the UK. You also seem unable to address why there was also such high South Asian immigration at the same time. Was that to help out with their unemployment problem too? You are incoherent and unable to evidence your theory in anyway. So, I guess you stirring because you need attention. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. " It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. " Do you know the number that we’re affected ? | |||
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"I feel a storm is brewing I think the OP is a bit confused, I am not expecting him to contribute much now Confused over what? Everything, you seem to think the Caribbean expats have had no influence on British culture , you seem to think we are saying they are heroes, I made no reference to an influence on our culture. I questioned as to whether the immigration from the Caribbean in the 50’s & 60’s really was of real benefit to the UK. Other than music, none of the other contributors here have come up with anything else. There are some that set them up as heroes - mainly the BBC. Guess you didn't read my earlier response, then... Maybe this will help, although I suspect not, but hey, whatever?
https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain
Don’t believe everything you read.
...but we should believe the secret history that you have read?
Why on earth would you do that?
Holiday?
Yes holiday. Inviting some unemployed people over temporarily to a country that could "cope" without them and then sending them back, as you assert.
You assert that this was done because West Indian governments asked the UK to "help them" with long running unemployment with some temporary trips to the UK.
You also seem unable to address why there was also such high South Asian immigration at the same time. Was that to help out with their unemployment problem too?
You are incoherent and unable to evidence your theory in anyway. So, I guess you stirring because you need attention."How am I stirring? Jesus! People get so wound up. I wonder why? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. Do you know the number that we’re affected ? " yes | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking." not as a policy it doesn’t. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking." Why do you assume I lack empathy? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking. Why do you assume I lack empathy? " What a leading question..  | |||
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"Tbh , I think your trolling, and the best way to treat a troll is to ignore them "Trolling on what and who? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content. "No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation. I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country. They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948. "can't it be both ... "This movement of people across the Commonwealth was part of wider encouraged migration to Britain from a range of countries outside of the Commonwealth. The open- door policy aimed to remedy post-war labour shortages, stabilise the Commonwealth system and present a liberal, progressive image of Britain." Windrush. Lesson learned review. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking. Why do you assume I lack empathy? " Due to the topics that you choose to write about and the words you use and the manner in which you express yourself. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948. "Please do "correct the myth" by indicating where your information that it is a "myth" originates. Why was there high immigration from South Asia at the same time as that from the West Indies? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948. "Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries. The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..? If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking. Why do you assume I lack empathy? Due to the topics that you choose to write about and the words you use and the manner in which you express yourself." Then you are not as smart as you think you are. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it."What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though . | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though ."Is that anything to do with people from the Carribbean or are we talking "decline in pirates causing global warming"? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Is that anything to do with people from the Carribbean or are we talking "decline in pirates causing global warming"?"Ay? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Is that anything to do with people from the Carribbean or are we talking "decline in pirates causing global warming"?
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. Do you think that others of the Windrush generation were unaffected by the way our governments treated individuals and how it was being handled, or would it be reasonable to think they to would be worried about their future? Most were indeed unaffected. I think that you misunderstand the purpose of a "hostile environment" policy then. I like the idea of such a policy aimed at people that have no right to be here. It also has an effect on those who do have a right to be here. Also their families who were born and raised here. Empathy is innate in nearly all people but can also be practised if you are lacking. Why do you assume I lack empathy? Due to the topics that you choose to write about and the words you use and the manner in which you express yourself. Then you are not as smart as you think you are. " Strange response. You asked, I told you. It appears that your opinion of how you express yourself may require some introspection looking at the responses on this thread. Just a thought. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though ."Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean? Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time. | |||
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"Is that anything to do with people from the Carribbean or are we talking "decline in pirates causing global warming"?" Excellent use of the decline in pirates theorem. May his noodly goodness nourish you. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time."It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric. I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country. | |||
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"Is that anything to do with people from the Carribbean or are we talking "decline in pirates causing global warming"? Excellent use of the decline in pirates theorem. May his noodly goodness nourish you." We are truly blessed by his noodly appendage. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country."HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia. So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point). However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting. BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right! | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!"He's just trolling. - what contributions did they make. - this, this, this and this. - "we would have coped". Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points."Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though ."Here is a excerpt from something on history of crime. I haven't been able to find any data on knife crime over last few centuries. Maybe if you have some to show it rose significantly with the arrival off Caribbean migrants. Many acts we would describe as crimes today - sexual predation or domestic violence, for instance - were largely unprosecuted before the mid-nineteenth century, as were many minor property offences. We cannot, therefore, estimate the number of domestic violence incidents that took place. In fact, we can only determine the number of prosecuted crimes from 1856 onwards, when annual statistics were published. So stats are unlikely to be accurate of the true numbers as reporting and detection numbers as increased with the advancements in law and order techniques. Also you haven't told us how we would have coped with the 1.3 million shortfall in workers. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country."So, one more time, where is your source indicating that West Indians were only invited to the UK on a temporary basis to relieve a (long-term) unemployment problem there? In addition, as your geography seems to need some help, why were there similar levels of immigration from countries such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka at a similar time? Did these countries also ask the UK for help with their unemployment problems? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country? "You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively. Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is. Hope that helps  | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps "As per usual, no help at all. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all."As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia. I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it. Oh well. Better to do your research first next time... | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time..."The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation? Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war. I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened. For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come. "Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others. Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality. Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find. Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate. Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs? Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy? | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come. "From reading Hansard, it looked like the givenrmnt avoided the question: Mr. Gammans Can the Minister say what is the policy of the Government regarding labour from the West Indies? Do they encourage it or discourage it? Mr. Isaacs With respect, I think that does not arise out of the Question, but I can tell the hon. Member that provided we are notified of the arrival of any of these people, we will do our very best to place them, as we did in this instance. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?"I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
From reading Hansard, it looked like the givenrmnt avoided the question:
Mr. Gammans
Can the Minister say what is the policy of the Government regarding labour from the West Indies? Do they encourage it or discourage it?
Mr. Isaacs
With respect, I think that does not arise out of the Question, but I can tell the hon. Member that provided we are notified of the arrival of any of these people, we will do our very best to place them, as we did in this instance."Hardly a desperate plea for help in rebuilding the country. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
From reading Hansard, it looked like the givenrmnt avoided the question:
Mr. Gammans
Can the Minister say what is the policy of the Government regarding labour from the West Indies? Do they encourage it or discourage it?
Mr. Isaacs
With respect, I think that does not arise out of the Question, but I can tell the hon. Member that provided we are notified of the arrival of any of these people, we will do our very best to place them, as we did in this instance.
Hardly a desperate plea for help in rebuilding the country. "not evidence that labour had no idea they were coming. Which was the claim which this was meant to be evidence for. Imo the person didn't want to give the "wrong answer" Whether there was a desperate plea or not, we were "importing foreign labour in large numbers" at that time. And the workers could "make a genuine contribution to our labour difficulties at the present time." Source: Letter from Prime Minister Attlee to an MP about immigration to the UK, 5 July 1948 (HO 213/ 715) | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
From reading Hansard, it looked like the givenrmnt avoided the question:
Mr. Gammans
Can the Minister say what is the policy of the Government regarding labour from the West Indies? Do they encourage it or discourage it?
Mr. Isaacs
With respect, I think that does not arise out of the Question, but I can tell the hon. Member that provided we are notified of the arrival of any of these people, we will do our very best to place them, as we did in this instance.
Hardly a desperate plea for help in rebuilding the country. not evidence that labour had no idea they were coming. Which was the claim which this was meant to be evidence for.
Imo the person didn't want to give the "wrong answer"
Whether there was a desperate plea or not, we were "importing foreign labour in large numbers" at that time. And the workers could "make a genuine contribution to our labour difficulties at the present time."
Source: Letter from Prime Minister Attlee to an MP about immigration to the UK, 5 July 1948 (HO 213/ 715)"Interesting stuff. Thanks. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?
I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have. "I'm starting to sense that you sidestep answering tricky questions and that a series of assumptions have turned out to be incorrect. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?
I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have.
I'm starting to sense that you sidestep answering tricky questions and that a series of assumptions have turned out to be incorrect."Usual tripe from a troll | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?
I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have.
I'm starting to sense that you sidestep answering tricky questions and that a series of assumptions have turned out to be incorrect.
Usual tripe from a troll "Yet still no actual, credible, information provided by you. Understood | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?
I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have.
I'm starting to sense that you sidestep answering tricky questions and that a series of assumptions have turned out to be incorrect.
Usual tripe from a troll
Yet still no actual, credible, information provided by you.
Understood "I provided plenty but you choose to ignore it as you are fixed to your odd agenda. Happy swinging - get a shag this weekend and relax a little. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?
I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have.
I'm starting to sense that you sidestep answering tricky questions and that a series of assumptions have turned out to be incorrect.
Usual tripe from a troll
Yet still no actual, credible, information provided by you.
Understood
I provided plenty but you choose to ignore it as you are fixed to your odd agenda. Happy swinging - get a shag this weekend and relax a little. "You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. | |||
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" It’s a false claim that we appealed to the Caribbean for help. In fact it was the reverse, several islands had a growing problem with male unemployment and approached the UK. Utter rubbish - maybe you can explain since I have my late parents' official Home Office letters of invitation (to come here and continue their careers as an engineer and a senior midwife, although that suddenly changed once they got here!) with their old passports? As for your question of what Caribbeans have done for the UK, well, I won't even give that the contempt it deserves. Wow, just wow. We owe so much to the Windrush Generation, and the way they have been treated in recent years should be considered a national shame. You’ve clearly fallen for the story. What is this "the story" and what is your reality? The reality is there was a growing unemployment problem, particularly young men in several Caribbean islands and officials there looked to the UK for help. They came seeking a better way of life for them and their families. I have no problem with that at all but don’t fall for the guff that they were heroes coming to the rescue of the UK. What you are describing is normal immigration, things not so great in one country and another country has opportunities. We have many examples of this, Brits going to Australia is a one that springs to mind. The hero guff, what is this? I think a lot people were brave to venture to the UK at that time. I would imagine a lot of faith was needed in those advising them, no internet back in those days. Most of the articles I have read on the windrush scandal were sympathetic towards the people and what happened to them, maybe this is what the OP objects to I was sympathetic as to what happened to a small number of them , since resolved. "Since resolved"? As of the beginning of this year, only 5% have received any kind of redress or compensation. I'm done here - troll away to your heart's content.
No trolling here and I sincerely hope that anyone wrongly deported receives a full apology and suitable compensation.
I do want to correct the myth that immigration from the Caribbean was at the request of the UK government and that they came to help rebuild the country.
They came for a better life and I have no problem at all with that at all. Good on them and what a brave thing to do right back in 1948.
Why do you keep propagating false information on here. Just like you did on another thread ,that Caribbean immigration was responsible for bringing gang and knife to these shores, when in fact it had been happening on these shores for centuries.
The same here saying we would have coped with the shortfall in labour without immigration after the war. Reslly a 1.3 million shortfall in workers..?
If the British Nationality Act 1948 wasn't a come to Britain encouragement, what was it.
What false information? And I never said they brought knife and gun crime to these shores. Crime statistics show that it increased though .
Really? Can you evidence this as well as your assertion that immigration to the UK from the West Indies was due to a request to help with unemployment in the Caribbean?
Remind me again about your reasoning as to why immigration from South Asia also increased significantly at the same time.
It’s there if you dig deep enough and go beyond the ‘we came to rebuild Britain’ rhetoric.
I’m confused as to your obsession with South Asia immigration, I assume you mean Hong Kong? They don’t claim they came to rebuild the country.
HK is South East Asia. When someone refers to South Asia it is a reference to the Indian subcontinent. It is a modern polite way to differentiate between different peoples of Asia.
So people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Your focus has been on Afro Caribbean people coming here in the 50s but the question is what are your views on “South Asians” who also came here in the 50s (ie your “what did they add” point and the unemployment point).
However, I suspect you know all of this and are just deflecting.
BTW I just spotted your “we would have coped” response ok sure, of course. Very easy to make up that shortfall in workers right!
He's just trolling.
- what contributions did they make.
- this, this, this and this.
- "we would have coped".
Then why ask in the first place? Ridiculous. That's why I started waffling about the FSM, to highlight the futile nature or discussing something with someone who doesn't want to discuss things, but just make self contradictory points.
Why would I be trolling? Just trying to correct an untruth. Do you really think the UK government sent the Windrush to the Caribbean in a desperate attempt to get immigrant workers to help rebuild the country?
You seem to be making controversial statements, with no evidence whilst responding provocatively.
Rather like your inability to identify your lack of empathy from the words and tone that you stroke, you may want to work on understanding what trolling is.
Hope that helps
As per usual, no help at all.
As are you unable to help in providing any evidence of your claims about West Indian immigration being to solve unemployment in the Caribbean, and presumably similarly for South Asia.
I guess it is now impossible for you to concede that your theory may be incorrect and equally impossible to provide any information at all to validate it.
Oh well. Better to do your research first next time...
The notion that the British government appealed to the West Indies for Labour to help rebuild Britain after the war is simply wrong. A nice story, but wrong. The Windrush arrived in 48 with some people from Jamaica, they had taken advantage of a cheap fare advertised by the company (no job offer, no government plea) and came seeking a better way of life. Good for them and a brave thing to do. Hats off. Check Hansard 21st September 1948. A Labour government no less who had no idea they were coming. Hardly an invitation?
Check also the LT museum and see that in 1955 the Barbados authorities asked LT if they would recruit as they were worried of a growing male unemployment increase. This took effect in 1956, ten years after the war.
I’ve no knowledge on immigration from the Indian sub continent as to why and how it happened.
For the record, I have no issue with any of this other than the myth that we begged them to come.
Ah, you've just made up your own theory based on a few pieces of information that you have assumed are connected whilst being ignorant of others.
Jolly good. You carry on constructing your own reality.
Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Carribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.
Perhaps you are just being accidentally unclear in what you are trying to communicate.
Are you saying that there was never any large scale recruitment of West Indians and South Asians in the years following WWII or that the men on the Empire Windrush were not recruited for specific jobs?
Perhaps you are being deliberately unclear so as to get attention and stir controversy?
I’m starting to sense we will never get on or see eye to eye. Believe what you will for whatever strange reason you have.
I'm starting to sense that you sidestep answering tricky questions and that a series of assumptions have turned out to be incorrect.
Usual tripe from a troll
Yet still no actual, credible, information provided by you.
Understood
I provided plenty but you choose to ignore it as you are fixed to your odd agenda. Happy swinging - get a shag this weekend and relax a little.
You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information.
You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip.
Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. "So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella. | |||
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" You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella." You have found no, news article, magazine article, research paper, academic, charitable or goverment institution or organisation to corroborate your theory. You cannot even find a website or YouTube clip (and there is always a YouTube clip), however amateur, to corroborate your theory. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong? Perhaps that is, in fact, the case, but you have provided absolutely nothing to make a credible argument. The only thing that you are doing is saying that you are right. | |||
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" You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella. You have found no, news article, magazine article, research paper, academic, charitable or goverment institution or organisation to corroborate your theory. You cannot even find a website or YouTube clip (and there is always a YouTube clip), however amateur, to corroborate your theory. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong? Perhaps that is, in fact, the case, but you have provided absolutely nothing to make a credible argument. The only thing that you are doing is saying that you are right." to be fair, is he baisn asked to prove a negative? I've lost track of his argument. Is it that we weren't actively and publically recruiting. Or that there wasn't a need that was being happily fulfilled. One poster or advert from the time will put this to bed ... | |||
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" You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella. You have found no, news article, magazine article, research paper, academic, charitable or goverment institution or organisation to corroborate your theory. You cannot even find a website or YouTube clip (and there is always a YouTube clip), however amateur, to corroborate your theory. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong? Perhaps that is, in fact, the case, but you have provided absolutely nothing to make a credible argument. The only thing that you are doing is saying that you are right." And you have proof that I am wrong I assume? | |||
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" You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella. You have found no, news article, magazine article, research paper, academic, charitable or goverment institution or organisation to corroborate your theory. You cannot even find a website or YouTube clip (and there is always a YouTube clip), however amateur, to corroborate your theory. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong? Perhaps that is, in fact, the case, but you have provided absolutely nothing to make a credible argument. The only thing that you are doing is saying that you are right.to be fair, is he baisn asked to prove a negative? I've lost track of his argument. Is it that we weren't actively and publically recruiting. Or that there wasn't a need that was being happily fulfilled. One poster or advert from the time will put this to bed ..." I’ve also started to lose track. I think it hinges on my claim that the accepted story that UK actively advertised and pleaded for immigrants from the Caribbean to help rebuild the country after the war , is simply untrue. It’s a nice story but false. The troll brought South Asia into the debate, lord only knows why. | |||
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" You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella. You have found no, news article, magazine article, research paper, academic, charitable or goverment institution or organisation to corroborate your theory. You cannot even find a website or YouTube clip (and there is always a YouTube clip), however amateur, to corroborate your theory. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong? Perhaps that is, in fact, the case, but you have provided absolutely nothing to make a credible argument. The only thing that you are doing is saying that you are right.to be fair, is he baisn asked to prove a negative? I've lost track of his argument. Is it that we weren't actively and publically recruiting. Or that there wasn't a need that was being happily fulfilled. One poster or advert from the time will put this to bed ..." I invited the OP to have a look: 'Whilst doing that, you should look up "London Transport Museum Caribbean recruitment" and share with us what you find.' He didn't, but perhaps you would care to. That's why I asked if the OP was claiming that only that the Empire Windrush passengers were not generally invited/recruited or if he meant that nobody who came from both the West Indies and the Indian sub-continent were. The former may well be possible. The latter, certainly not. Incidentally, the arrivals from the Empire Windrush were described as "heroes" because aside from the boldness of going to make a life in a different part of the world they were predominantly ex-servicemen who had served in WWII. Such men are often described "heroes". | |||
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" You have, quite literally, created your own theory based on your interpretation of a limited amount of information. You have then told everyone else that you know the truth and they are wrong. Everyone from The National Archives to the British Library to the London Transport Museum to Hansard and even primary evidence from someone's parents and that of countless others who actually made the trip. Your thread, your fantasy, I guess. So you seem to think for some strange reason or perverse agenda. Jog on fella. You have found no, news article, magazine article, research paper, academic, charitable or goverment institution or organisation to corroborate your theory. You cannot even find a website or YouTube clip (and there is always a YouTube clip), however amateur, to corroborate your theory. Yet you are right and everyone else is wrong? Perhaps that is, in fact, the case, but you have provided absolutely nothing to make a credible argument. The only thing that you are doing is saying that you are right.to be fair, is he baisn asked to prove a negative? I've lost track of his argument. Is it that we weren't actively and publically recruiting. Or that there wasn't a need that was being happily fulfilled. One poster or advert from the time will put this to bed ... I’ve also started to lose track. I think it hinges on my claim that the accepted story that UK actively advertised and pleaded for immigrants from the Caribbean to help rebuild the country after the war , is simply untrue. It’s a nice story but false. The troll brought South Asia into the debate, lord only knows why. " Look at the post above... | |||
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