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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Considering the chameleon like tendency she exhibits, first a Lib Dem, then Remoaner, then a Brexit ultra, then a Look a like thatcher impersonator, now the Slob in a wig.
Can she be trusted to run a government? Will it be business as usual, will her premiership be one of cakeism, uncosted solutions and false hope?
Also do you think that after the previous premiership, our relationship with populism hasn’t waned but is significantly increased?
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Slob in a wig ?
Mysonigy is still sadly prevalent on these forums!
Misogyny, explain how? now focus Merky."
You missed the comma out between "slob" and "wig", which changes the context of the sentence. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Slob in a wig ?
"The Slob" is his 'amusing' nickname for Boris. He is attempting to suggest that Liz Truss is Boris' puppet (as if we didn't already know that)."
Mansplaining how ‘quaint’ |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Slob in a wig ?
Mysonigy is still sadly prevalent on these forums!
Misogyny, explain how? now focus Merky.
You missed the comma out between "slob" and "wig", which changes the context of the sentence."
Merky, you’re always a stickler for the nuisances of the written word, I admire your attention to ‘detail’. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Mansplaining how ‘quaint’
It was helpful. I thought Truss was being referred to as a slob and was baffled "
Understood, now that is cleared up your thoughts on the above? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think, whoever the candidates are, it is undemocratic for 0.2% of the country to choose our PM. It is pointless me having an opinion on either Truss or Sunak as I don't have a vote. "
Yet, we will in a few years time though. |
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"No apology then?"
"You want me to apologise for not understanding what "slob in a wig" referred to ?"
He he, not at all. I see that it was my turn to be unclear. 
No, I was wondering if Abernath might want to apologize for accusing me of mansplaining. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Anyway... Liz Truss jeez how pitiful the candidate list has been. She is beyond parody.
The Tory party members have the choice between a City Wideboy with unethical family tax affairs and conflict of interest
Or
Another utter buffoon (who this time happens to be a woman).
Seriously what have we come to! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No apology then?
You want me to apologise for not understanding what "slob in a wig" referred to ?
He he, not at all. I see that it was my turn to be unclear.
No, I was wondering if Abernath might want to apologize for accusing me of mansplaining."
Sure why not, I am feeling generous  |
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this country is facing the greatest challenges in living memory and we now have a zombie government, which is causing rapid decline into a shambles. and all the while we have a vapid contest to see who has the most popular cult of personality amongst the vacuous rabble who are meant to be sorting out our country's problems.
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Getting back to the subject - it seems obvious to me that Liz Truss is a puppet of Boris and his gang. She was clearly chosen because there isn't a single thought in her head, and she'll do whatever they tell her to.
But no one seems to be saying this. Is it because everyone is far more polite than I am, or could it be that I'm wrong? |
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"I pity Truss if Rees-Mogg and Dorries are in charge of controlling her"
dorries will be elevated to the lords in johnski's resignation honours list. this will cause whoever the new idiot-in-chief of the conservative and unionist party to fight a bye-election almost immediately after taking office in the autumn. |
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What I would like to know, is this:
if Liz is right about her and her kind having fucked up the economy for the last 12 years; then how are all the positive stories in the right-wing media, entirely to the contrary of her view, to be adequately explained?
After all, if we are to believe what people like Costa and the Haybrain tell us - Liz must be wrong, in her admission of Tory failure to improve the economy. If they're right.
But how can she possibly be wrong? She's Thatcher reborn. That's all that matters. Her fitness to be PM - or the lack of it - are no more relevant than Boris' were, when he was the chosen one.
If she's right about the economy, during their tenure, then all the Tory fanboys/girls are wrong.
Or is it possible that she and they are both wrong?
I know she said the last 20 years but 12 is more than half of 20.
To undo the damage allowed to happen, in the previous 8 years, by Labour's failure to regulate the financial sector - which most Tory politicians approved of - they went for 10 years of austerity.
Contrary to their mantra, we were not all in the financial crisis together.
The greed junkies in the City were actually rewarded, despite causing the financial crash - whilst services were cut and millions more children were forced into poverty and hunger.
Why? Well, because increasing inequality, decreasing opportunity and failing the vulnerable, are all a lot easier than taxing those who can very definitely afford more.
Liz believes lower taxes are the way - but only for those who pay the most tax.
We'll have two years to find out if she's right. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Getting back to the subject - it seems obvious to me that Liz Truss is a puppet of Boris and his gang. She was clearly chosen because there isn't a single thought in her head, and she'll do whatever they tell her to.
But no one seems to be saying this. Is it because everyone is far more polite than I am, or could it be that I'm wrong?"
I think that you are right about this and the consequence of this truth is that her advisors will make sure that she avoids scrutiny at all costs. In other words, no interviews or press conferences.
There is also another possibility that she is being set up to fail so that a new Leader will be in place before the next General Election. This is why it is important that the Parliamentary Standards enquiry is completed and Johnson held to account. It is entirely possible that Truss faces and loses a confidence vote in Spring 2023 and Johnson is nominated as a Leadership candidate. |
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"this country is facing the greatest challenges in living memory and we now have a zombie government, which is causing rapid decline into a shambles. and all the while we have a vapid contest to see who has the most popular cult of personality amongst the vacuous rabble who are meant to be sorting out our country's problems.
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Pretty much. Except the living memory bit. Not sure the last WWII veteran has passed yet.
The rest of it. Fair enough.
Picky, picky! LOL |
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"Getting back to the subject - it seems obvious to me that Liz Truss is a puppet of Boris and his gang. She was clearly chosen because there isn't a single thought in her head, and she'll do whatever they tell her to.
But no one seems to be saying this. Is it because everyone is far more polite than I am, or could it be that I'm wrong?
I think that you are right about this and the consequence of this truth is that her advisors will make sure that she avoids scrutiny at all costs. In other words, no interviews or press conferences.
There is also another possibility that she is being set up to fail so that a new Leader will be in place before the next General Election. This is why it is important that the Parliamentary Standards enquiry is completed and Johnson held to account. It is entirely possible that Truss faces and loses a confidence vote in Spring 2023 and Johnson is nominated as a Leadership candidate. "
The "set up to fail" bit had occurred to me, too. Very tight timing for it, though. |
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I'm waiting for one of the candidates to renew the calls for return to proper British weights and measures, none of this European metric nonsense with it's multiples of ten all the time, how does that help anyone learn to multiply by 56 and divide by 14?
Speaking of which... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_(unit)
Fifty six pounds of Old Hay = one Truss !!
But on a change of profile name, apparently, it takes Sixty pounds of New Hay to make up one Truss.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
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She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Fancy only having the choice (for a tiny minority of UK citizens and any people abroad who for £25 can join the Conservatives Abroad) between a City Wide Boy Tax Avoider with huge family conflicts of interest and a complete thicko who is clearly very easily manipulated (and therefore compromised) for our next PM! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Getting back to the subject - it seems obvious to me that Liz Truss is a puppet of Boris and his gang. She was clearly chosen because there isn't a single thought in her head, and she'll do whatever they tell her to.
But no one seems to be saying this. Is it because everyone is far more polite than I am, or could it be that I'm wrong?"
I would say puppet of whoever was behind Boris rather than Boris being any kind if puppet-master.
The difference is that Boris was clever enough to know he was being handled but too greedy and narcissistic to stop it whereas Truss is too thick to know she is/will be a puppet. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow."
I think this will be the second PM that voted remain since the referendum if she wins |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Boris was just a puppet, why expect Liz Truss to be different? They're all puppets to more powerful groups."
True enough. I don't expect any of them from any party to be much different. If it were not for the colour of their ties it would be hard to know who is who |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow.
I think this will be the second PM that voted remain since the referendum if she wins"
but the first lib dem |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
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What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow."
It will be the only sensible policy she will probably have….
As from previous threads the only benefit that have been had are blue passports and the likes of JMR getting richer from disaster capitalism… |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow.
I think this will be the second PM that voted remain since the referendum if she winsbut the first lib dem "
That's true and something I did not know until this leadership contest started. I'm not sure she is a lib dem mp anymore though. Everything I have seen says she will be the second remain voting pm if she wins. So far in the last few years she has seemed more of a brexiteer than those that voted leave though once she gets the top job that may change |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow.
I think this will be the second PM that voted remain since the referendum if she winsbut the first lib dem
That's true and something I did not know until this leadership contest started. I'm not sure she is a lib dem mp anymore though. Everything I have seen says she will be the second remain voting pm if she wins. So far in the last few years she has seemed more of a brexiteer than those that voted leave though once she gets the top job that may change"
Not going to happen  she will carry on with brexit because that’s the way the country voted or at least the ones who bothered to vote |
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I think the "pot and kettle" aspect of Liz's remarks may well be lost on her.
Anyway, if she keeps on talking like that, she'll just ensure that Nicola, or some other SNP leader, will be ruling in the Scottish Parliament, long after Liz is gone.
I've said it before - as long as the Tories are in charge at Westminster, the SNP will be in charge at Holyrood.
If ignoring Scotland is the best England can manage, that's not going to preserve the Union. |
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"I think the "pot and kettle" aspect of Liz's remarks may well be lost on her.
Anyway, if she keeps on talking like that, she'll just ensure that Nicola, or some other SNP leader, will be ruling in the Scottish Parliament, long after Liz is gone.
I've said it before - as long as the Tories are in charge at Westminster, the SNP will be in charge at Holyrood.
If ignoring Scotland is the best England can manage, that's not going to preserve the Union."
Pot and kettle does spring to mind ! Any comment on the SNP ignoring all the latest sex pest complaints and reports ?
Very telling that Sturgeon has a comment for Liz Truss but refuses to answer serious questions being asked about officials within her own party.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow.
I think this will be the second PM that voted remain since the referendum if she winsbut the first lib dem
That's true and something I did not know until this leadership contest started. I'm not sure she is a lib dem mp anymore though. Everything I have seen says she will be the second remain voting pm if she wins. So far in the last few years she has seemed more of a brexiteer than those that voted leave though once she gets the top job that may change"
In religious movements, the ones converted are usually more extreme and fervent in their new found beliefs than the general members.
So might become even more hard-core. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I think the "pot and kettle" aspect of Liz's remarks may well be lost on her.
Anyway, if she keeps on talking like that, she'll just ensure that Nicola, or some other SNP leader, will be ruling in the Scottish Parliament, long after Liz is gone.
I've said it before - as long as the Tories are in charge at Westminster, the SNP will be in charge at Holyrood.
If ignoring Scotland is the best England can manage, that's not going to preserve the Union."
She did not say ignoring Scotland she said sturgeon |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Liz Truss is a joke. A mediocre non entity.
Surely nobody believes she is fit to hold office as PM?
She is an ideological butterfly, flittering from one idea to the next, all in the pursuit of power. Easily swayed, I suspect she will be nothing more than a puppet of the papers.
What irks me the most is that those tory voters are going to have a person who voted remain as PM. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me, she will probably get brexit undone somehow.
I think this will be the second PM that voted remain since the referendum if she winsbut the first lib dem
That's true and something I did not know until this leadership contest started. I'm not sure she is a lib dem mp anymore though. Everything I have seen says she will be the second remain voting pm if she wins. So far in the last few years she has seemed more of a brexiteer than those that voted leave though once she gets the top job that may change
In religious movements, the ones converted are usually more extreme and fervent in their new found beliefs than the general members.
So might become even more hard-core."
That is very true. Time will tell I guess assuming she gets the job |
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"I think the "pot and kettle" aspect of Liz's remarks may well be lost on her.
Anyway, if she keeps on talking like that, she'll just ensure that Nicola, or some other SNP leader, will be ruling in the Scottish Parliament, long after Liz is gone.
I've said it before - as long as the Tories are in charge at Westminster, the SNP will be in charge at Holyrood.
If ignoring Scotland is the best England can manage, that's not going to preserve the Union.
She did not say ignoring Scotland she said sturgeon "
Believe me, I live here and it amounts to the same thing - because although 50% of Scots aren't keen on independence, which is fair enough - 70%+ of them are even less keen on Tories. With good reason.
The Tories ignore most of England - even now, after people who should have known better, gave them a go. If you think that's not the case, you haven't been paying attention.
The notion that Scotland and Wales will not be ignored by a Truss government is ridiculous.
They will be - partly because, in order to try and avoid Northern Ireland descending into conflict again, all their attention will be focused there.
Why? Well, due to her own government's catastrophic inability to understand the foreign policy consequences of Brexit, in a Protocol they came up with themselves.
Remember, Liz is part of a government elected for loyalty, not ability, not on merit. She, like the rest of them, can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
So, ignoring something you know you can't cope with; for her, it's just a defence strategy. |
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"Fuck her. Signed, Scotland.
Which wouldn’t be representative of all Scots …"
Indeed not - but definitely a majority of them, no matter who they vote for.
I think you'll find that applies in England, too. Though, to be fair, it's more obvious up here; due to our Parliament being representative of the vote. Something unavailable in Westminster elections.
If it were, we wouldn't be as fucked as we are now. |
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"I think the "pot and kettle" aspect of Liz's remarks may well be lost on her.
Anyway, if she keeps on talking like that, she'll just ensure that Nicola, or some other SNP leader, will be ruling in the Scottish Parliament, long after Liz is gone.
I've said it before - as long as the Tories are in charge at Westminster, the SNP will be in charge at Holyrood.
If ignoring Scotland is the best England can manage, that's not going to preserve the Union.
Pot and kettle does spring to mind ! Any comment on the SNP ignoring all the latest sex pest complaints and reports ?
Very telling that Sturgeon has a comment for Liz Truss but refuses to answer serious questions being asked about officials within her own party.
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I don't think she should be ignoring it and I'm no happier about it than you are.
Any comment on why the PM - or any other Tory - won't answer similar serious questions regarding Lebedev? |
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By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
Inverness |
"Ms Truss isn't even PM yet and she's already alienated a fair few Scots!
Probably just practicing
I’m sure cranky will hit back with something "
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I'm no fan of Nicola Sturgeon, but, she would destroy Liz Truss in a head to head debate, about anything....
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"Ms Truss isn't even PM yet and she's already alienated a fair few Scots!
Probably just practicing
I’m sure cranky will hit back with something
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I'm no fan of Nicola Sturgeon, but, she would destroy Liz Truss in a head to head debate, about anything....
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What Boris is to fridges, sturgeon is to [redacted] |
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