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In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems . |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems . "
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
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We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper."
. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success. |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
Copied and pasted from the Daily Mail
We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper.. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success. "
I prefer reality.
There are two types of people when it comes to this kind of stuff.
1. Those who want Britain to be the best it can be.
2. Those who accept things as they are and lash out at people who expect better from the government.
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Looks like fuel was a key part of the recent increase to EU.
It's an interesting set of figures. There seems to be little change between EU and non EU (over the medium term)... So neither side really has anything to crow about. There's no real uptick on no EU, no real decline in EU.
As with everything Brexit, I get the impression that the EU was only a minor part of our life. Not worth the division. Nor worth the six years of political distractions. |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
Copied and pasted from the Daily Mail
We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper.. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success.
I prefer reality.
There are two types of people when it comes to this kind of stuff.
1. Those who want Britain to be the best it can be.
2. Those who accept things as they are and lash out at people who expect better from the government.
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. So you do not dispute its accuracy - you appear just to resent the success of the UK. |
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"If, and given the source the information is accurate why is the fact that this far the economic self harm that is brexit is costing just under 100 billion pa?
Ten times the membership cost.."
. Hello. Do you have a breakdown of the £100 million ? Have project costs been correctly capitalised in order that we can match long term gains against short term costs .? A lot of the estimates appear to include information from the OBR whose information is often inaccurate and the range of estimates too great. If you input inaccurate data into a model , you get an inaccurate result .
Maybe the simplistic approach is best. We have not departed from Europe , only membership of the EU. We still trade as usual we all EU members, the only difference being a few extra bits of paperwork and in a few cases import / export duties .
Most recently reported company results make no reference to leaving the EU . We have simply adapted to changing circumstances and carried on as usual. |
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"If, and given the source the information is accurate why is the fact that this far the economic self harm that is brexit is costing just under 100 billion pa?
Ten times the membership cost... Hello. Do you have a breakdown of the £100 million ? Have project costs been correctly capitalised in order that we can match long term gains against short term costs .? A lot of the estimates appear to include information from the OBR whose information is often inaccurate and the range of estimates too great. If you input inaccurate data into a model , you get an inaccurate result .
Maybe the simplistic approach is best. We have not departed from Europe , only membership of the EU. We still trade as usual we all EU members, the only difference being a few extra bits of paperwork and in a few cases import / export duties .
Most recently reported company results make no reference to leaving the EU . We have simply adapted to changing circumstances and carried on as usual. "
Billion pat, not million..
OBR..  |
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"If, and given the source the information is accurate why is the fact that this far the economic self harm that is brexit is costing just under 100 billion pa?
Ten times the membership cost... Hello. Do you have a breakdown of the £100 million ? Have project costs been correctly capitalised in order that we can match long term gains against short term costs .? A lot of the estimates appear to include information from the OBR whose information is often inaccurate and the range of estimates too great. If you input inaccurate data into a model , you get an inaccurate result .
Maybe the simplistic approach is best. We have not departed from Europe , only membership of the EU. We still trade as usual we all EU members, the only difference being a few extra bits of paperwork and in a few cases import / export duties .
Most recently reported company results make no reference to leaving the EU . We have simply adapted to changing circumstances and carried on as usual. "
it's good to see that these small costs havent impacted trade. Although someone must be picking them up. Not great given cost of living increases.
But I would agree that it's only been a small increase in duties in a few small areas. I do wonder what these numbers would have looked like without the FTA. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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Surprisingly the Daily Mail and The express missed out this very important paragraph in the report.
“Removing the effect of inflation, exports to the EU, excluding unspecified goods, rose to £13.9 billion in May 2022, the highest levels since December 2020.”
What happened after December 2020? Hmm let me think.
They also missed out the increase in exports being related to higher oil prices and failed to mention the increase in our negative balance of payments internationally.
Our balance of payments are getting worse due to imports outstripping exports on an increase rate of 33% to 16% level. This after Covid and inflation taken out.
It’s interesting reading but still the underlying forecast is shit. God knows what is going to happen when they do start implementing the Brexit rules . I think it’s pushed back to nearly 2024 now. That should be fun.
Can’t for the life of me understand if it’s good for business why they haven’t implemented those rules . Surely with the state of our economy we need the benefits of Brexit asap??
More in-depth detailed analysis from the rabid Daily Fail.
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"If, and given the source the information is accurate why is the fact that this far the economic self harm that is brexit is costing just under 100 billion pa?
Ten times the membership cost... Hello. Do you have a breakdown of the £100 million ? Have project costs been correctly capitalised in order that we can match long term gains against short term costs .? A lot of the estimates appear to include information from the OBR whose information is often inaccurate and the range of estimates too great. If you input inaccurate data into a model , you get an inaccurate result .
Maybe the simplistic approach is best. We have not departed from Europe , only membership of the EU. We still trade as usual we all EU members, the only difference being a few extra bits of paperwork and in a few cases import / export duties .
Most recently reported company results make no reference to leaving the EU . We have simply adapted to changing circumstances and carried on as usual.
Billion pat, not million..
OBR.. "
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over a year ago
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"If, and given the source the information is accurate why is the fact that this far the economic self harm that is brexit is costing just under 100 billion pa?
Ten times the membership cost... Hello. Do you have a breakdown of the £100 million ? Have project costs been correctly capitalised in order that we can match long term gains against short term costs .? A lot of the estimates appear to include information from the OBR whose information is often inaccurate and the range of estimates too great. If you input inaccurate data into a model , you get an inaccurate result .
Maybe the simplistic approach is best. We have not departed from Europe , only membership of the EU. We still trade as usual we all EU members, the only difference being a few extra bits of paperwork and in a few cases import / export duties .
Most recently reported company results make no reference to leaving the EU . We have simply adapted to changing circumstances and carried on as usual. "
Places like the OBR and ONS support your figures on the UK to EU exports being at their highest level so I would not dismiss them. The story is from the other week and also reported widely in other outlets. For the forecast side of things they have to make some assumptions as not all data is known at the time. For instance some of the more pessimistic brexit forecasts did not factor in things like any deal between the UK and EU simply because it was not known at the time. To their credit they do revise things when facts become known and say when results are better than what they assumed |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
Copied and pasted from the Daily Mail
We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper.. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success.
I prefer reality.
There are two types of people when it comes to this kind of stuff.
1. Those who want Britain to be the best it can be.
2. Those who accept things as they are and lash out at people who expect better from the government.
. So you do not dispute its accuracy - you appear just to resent the success of the UK. "
Lol. Thank you for confirming my point. Glad we agree. |
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"If, and given the source the information is accurate why is the fact that this far the economic self harm that is brexit is costing just under 100 billion pa?
Ten times the membership cost... Hello. Do you have a breakdown of the £100 million ? Have project costs been correctly capitalised in order that we can match long term gains against short term costs .? A lot of the estimates appear to include information from the OBR whose information is often inaccurate and the range of estimates too great. If you input inaccurate data into a model , you get an inaccurate result .
Maybe the simplistic approach is best. We have not departed from Europe , only membership of the EU. We still trade as usual we all EU members, the only difference being a few extra bits of paperwork and in a few cases import / export duties .
Most recently reported company results make no reference to leaving the EU . We have simply adapted to changing circumstances and carried on as usual.
Billion pat, not million..
OBR.. . Apologies. My mistake . "
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And Pat, as it has been said to you several times on your multiple profiles both pre and post the brexit referendum there has never been anyone who wants the country to do badly whatever their vote was then or what they think now..
There's a clear opinion difference on whether the decision taken in 2016 was the right path and direction for us, thinking differently to that vote being the way forward is not doom mongering it's healthy and part of the very fabric of this democracy..
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2."
. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read. |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read. "
When a paper is cited and you immediately have to research their claim to see if it is actually true that is problematic. It is also problematic if there are a lot of people who take that unreliable source at face value.
People have also shown that the Mails coverage was missing important context which changes how the overall message is viewed.
Valid criticism is not being "simply derogatory" |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems . "
What figures are these reports based on? And I can assure you that whatever happened in Hamburg is no where near as bad as Manchester Airport |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read. "
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent. |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems . "
Good to see you back Boris, see the past Couple of weeks haven't dented your optimistic outlook..  |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent."
. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies. |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies. "
Not at all. Not suggesting for a minute they're all dumb. I'm suggesting that those who believe the inaccurate misleading articles are easily manipulated and distracted.
Here's my alternate policy to reading the Daily Mail. Don't read the Daily Mail.
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"Looks like fuel was a key part of the recent increase to EU.
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yes, it's the uk being forced to pump gas through the interconnectors for storage in europe because the conservative and unionist government dimatled our own storage network. we've been doing this routinely over the last number of years. in september when demand kicks back in the EU will pump the stored gas back again only at a higher cost to us and so the import export figures will reverse. |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies. "
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies.
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM "
. I think you will find that a significant proportion of the population have a very different opinion. Boris won an 80 seat majority and returned in excess of 14 million votes. That is a stunning achievement. The Daily Mail has a readership of circa 2 million copies on a daily basis and a significant on line version. You do not achieve that degree of success unless you are getting most things right. |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies.
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM . I think you will find that a significant proportion of the population have a very different opinion. Boris won an 80 seat majority and returned in excess of 14 million votes. That is a stunning achievement. The Daily Mail has a readership of circa 2 million copies on a daily basis and a significant on line version. You do not achieve that degree of success unless you are getting most things right. "
More people voted against Boris than for Boris. But because of how First Past the post works, the Tories won.
Don't take a 40% share of the votes as a sweeping mandate and belief in Boris cos that is far from true. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Looks like fuel was a key part of the recent increase to EU.
yes, it's the uk being forced to pump gas through the interconnectors for storage in europe because the conservative and unionist government dimatled our own storage network. we've been doing this routinely over the last number of years. in september when demand kicks back in the EU will pump the stored gas back again only at a higher cost to us and so the import export figures will reverse. "
The storage in the UK has been a problem for a while and really needs fixing. The amount being pumped to the EU has increased to try and help fill their storage tanks. This is why the figures are higher than normal and when the UK gets some back( mostly from Norway) it will not be anything like the amount originally sent. It's good money wise due to the higher prices they sell it to the EU. The UK has storage problems that need fixing and Europe has LNG problems. Fortunately the UK and EU can assist each other. The ideal time is when the UK fixes its storage problems and the EU fixes its LNG problems |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies.
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM . I think you will find that a significant proportion of the population have a very different opinion. Boris won an 80 seat majority and returned in excess of 14 million votes. That is a stunning achievement. The Daily Mail has a readership of circa 2 million copies on a daily basis and a significant on line version. You do not achieve that degree of success unless you are getting most things right. "
Boris is the worst PM we have ever had, 80 seat majority in 2019, thrown out and disowned by his own party in 2022, that is his legacy, a humiliating failure . The daily mail does not sell 2 million copies a day , that is another blatant lie |
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"Looks like fuel was a key part of the recent increase to EU.
yes, it's the uk being forced to pump gas through the interconnectors for storage in europe because the conservative and unionist government dimatled our own storage network. we've been doing this routinely over the last number of years. in september when demand kicks back in the EU will pump the stored gas back again only at a higher cost to us and so the import export figures will reverse.
The storage in the UK has been a problem for a while and really needs fixing. The amount being pumped to the EU has increased to try and help fill their storage tanks. This is why the figures are higher than normal and when the UK gets some back( mostly from Norway) it will not be anything like the amount originally sent. It's good money wise due to the higher prices they sell it to the EU. The UK has storage problems that need fixing and Europe has LNG problems. Fortunately the UK and EU can assist each other. The ideal time is when the UK fixes its storage problems and the EU fixes its LNG problems"
under this agreement over the previous 5 years we've reimported more gas than we have export .... that won't change. |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies.
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM . I think you will find that a significant proportion of the population have a very different opinion. Boris won an 80 seat majority and returned in excess of 14 million votes. That is a stunning achievement. The Daily Mail has a readership of circa 2 million copies on a daily basis and a significant on line version. You do not achieve that degree of success unless you are getting most things right.
Boris is the worst PM we have ever had, 80 seat majority in 2019, thrown out and disowned by his own party in 2022, that is his legacy, a humiliating failure . The daily mail does not sell 2 million copies a day , that is another blatant lie "
. How could it be a blatant lie. Maybe you need to do some research. Last time I checked the Daily Mail sold circa 1 million copies and the circulation of these copies ( to which I referred was circa 2 million ) . It is a pity that you did not do a little research before commenting. Boris had many great achievements, it is just unlikely for him that some in the Conservtive party conspired against him .. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Looks like fuel was a key part of the recent increase to EU.
yes, it's the uk being forced to pump gas through the interconnectors for storage in europe because the conservative and unionist government dimatled our own storage network. we've been doing this routinely over the last number of years. in september when demand kicks back in the EU will pump the stored gas back again only at a higher cost to us and so the import export figures will reverse.
The storage in the UK has been a problem for a while and really needs fixing. The amount being pumped to the EU has increased to try and help fill their storage tanks. This is why the figures are higher than normal and when the UK gets some back( mostly from Norway) it will not be anything like the amount originally sent. It's good money wise due to the higher prices they sell it to the EU. The UK has storage problems that need fixing and Europe has LNG problems. Fortunately the UK and EU can assist each other. The ideal time is when the UK fixes its storage problems and the EU fixes its LNG problems
under this agreement over the previous 5 years we've reimported more gas than we have export .... that won't change. "
Something has certainly changed as the UK has never exported this much in the past to Europe. It did not need to as Europe had piped gas from Russia. The figures show this |
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies.
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM . I think you will find that a significant proportion of the population have a very different opinion. Boris won an 80 seat majority and returned in excess of 14 million votes. That is a stunning achievement. The Daily Mail has a readership of circa 2 million copies on a daily basis and a significant on line version. You do not achieve that degree of success unless you are getting most things right.
Boris is the worst PM we have ever had, 80 seat majority in 2019, thrown out and disowned by his own party in 2022, that is his legacy, a humiliating failure . The daily mail does not sell 2 million copies a day , that is another blatant lie . How could it be a blatant lie. Maybe you need to do some research. Last time I checked the Daily Mail sold circa 1 million copies and the circulation of these copies ( to which I referred was circa 2 million ) . It is a pity that you did not do a little research before commenting. Boris had many great achievements, it is just unlikely for him that some in the Conservtive party conspired against him .. "
I think you've check mated yourself there.
Lol
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"I'm getting more abusive Direct messages from this thread than usual.
Must be something upsetting people from group 2.. Whilst no-one should be sending abusive messages many of your posts are simply derogatory towards posters based on the newspapers that they read.
Oh, do you have an example of this?
Seems like a bizarre claim.
Still glad to see you taking the opportunity to attack me. Excellent.. Most of your posts tend to imply that Daily Mail readers are thick , dim , ill informed and uneducated. Whilst you are entitled to express an opinion not everyone would see this as a desirable attitude especially when you offer no alternative policies.
You have spent the last few months defending the indefensible (Boris) and now your defending the Daily Mail, you have no credibility, ironically, just like the DM . I think you will find that a significant proportion of the population have a very different opinion. Boris won an 80 seat majority and returned in excess of 14 million votes. That is a stunning achievement. The Daily Mail has a readership of circa 2 million copies on a daily basis and a significant on line version. You do not achieve that degree of success unless you are getting most things right.
Boris is the worst PM we have ever had, 80 seat majority in 2019, thrown out and disowned by his own party in 2022, that is his legacy, a humiliating failure . The daily mail does not sell 2 million copies a day , that is another blatant lie . How could it be a blatant lie. Maybe you need to do some research. Last time I checked the Daily Mail sold circa 1 million copies and the circulation of these copies ( to which I referred was circa 2 million ) . It is a pity that you did not do a little research before commenting. Boris had many great achievements, it is just unlikely for him that some in the Conservtive party conspired against him .. "
Boris is a humiliating failure, an embarrassment to the Tory party . The daily mail sell less then 1 million paper copies per day and has been decreasing for years , the circulation is a meaningless figure, the metro has a far larger readership |
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I think it’s pretty obvious that putting up trade barriers between us and our biggest and closest trading partner is going to cause a reduction in trade. The question is whether it was worth it - for some the answer will be yes (any cost to leave the EU) for others no (not worth the economic hit). I’m sure, however, both camps want the U.K. to be the best it can be.
I also think that sensible people on both sides can see that it hasn’t been the smooth ride we were told it was going to be.
Have a listen to Lord Rose - very successful Conservative peer - currently chairman of Asda I think - very switch on about the problems brexit has caused and what can be done to fix them and make Brexit work for the whole country and not just the super rich. |
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"I think it’s pretty obvious that putting up trade barriers between us and our biggest and closest trading partner is going to cause a reduction in trade. The question is whether it was worth it - for some the answer will be yes (any cost to leave the EU) for others no (not worth the economic hit). I’m sure, however, both camps want the U.K. to be the best it can be.
I also think that sensible people on both sides can see that it hasn’t been the smooth ride we were told it was going to be.
Have a listen to Lord Rose - very successful Conservative peer - currently chairman of Asda I think - very switch on about the problems brexit has caused and what can be done to fix them and make Brexit work for the whole country and not just the super rich. "
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"I think it’s pretty obvious that putting up trade barriers between us and our biggest and closest trading partner is going to cause a reduction in trade. The question is whether it was worth it - for some the answer will be yes (any cost to leave the EU) for others no (not worth the economic hit). I’m sure, however, both camps want the U.K. to be the best it can be.
I also think that sensible people on both sides can see that it hasn’t been the smooth ride we were told it was going to be.
Have a listen to Lord Rose - very successful Conservative peer - currently chairman of Asda I think - very switch on about the problems brexit has caused and what can be done to fix them and make Brexit work for the whole country and not just the super rich. "
Worth it for what though? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries |
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"I think it’s pretty obvious that putting up trade barriers between us and our biggest and closest trading partner is going to cause a reduction in trade. The question is whether it was worth it - for some the answer will be yes (any cost to leave the EU) for others no (not worth the economic hit). I’m sure, however, both camps want the U.K. to be the best it can be.
I also think that sensible people on both sides can see that it hasn’t been the smooth ride we were told it was going to be.
Have a listen to Lord Rose - very successful Conservative peer - currently chairman of Asda I think - very switch on about the problems brexit has caused and what can be done to fix them and make Brexit work for the whole country and not just the super rich.
Worth it for what though?"
Whatever the underlying reason was for voting. Unless of course they voted for it thinking that it wouldn’t cause a reduction in trade (economic productivity). In that latter instance, I find it hard to be believe people were unable to solve the conundrum I started with it. |
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"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries"
The EU is in many ways protectionist, so if you’re outside of the club then exporting to the EU can be more difficult that exporting to the ROW. The problem is, the ROW is further away and trade 101, suggests that you have you best trading relationships with those closest to you.
Think of it like this: if I want to sell my bike, who is it easier to sell it to: my next door neighbour, or someone in Scotland? Bit simplistic but the point remains the same. |
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"I think it’s pretty obvious that putting up trade barriers between us and our biggest and closest trading partner is going to cause a reduction in trade. The question is whether it was worth it - for some the answer will be yes (any cost to leave the EU) for others no (not worth the economic hit). I’m sure, however, both camps want the U.K. to be the best it can be.
I also think that sensible people on both sides can see that it hasn’t been the smooth ride we were told it was going to be.
Have a listen to Lord Rose - very successful Conservative peer - currently chairman of Asda I think - very switch on about the problems brexit has caused and what can be done to fix them and make Brexit work for the whole country and not just the super rich.
Worth it for what though?
Whatever the underlying reason was for voting. Unless of course they voted for it thinking that it wouldn’t cause a reduction in trade (economic productivity). In that latter instance, I find it hard to be believe people were unable to solve the conundrum I started with it. "
Fair enough.
We're still waiting for JRM to find some kind of vague benefit. Fingers crossed something comes up soon. |
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"I think it’s pretty obvious that putting up trade barriers between us and our biggest and closest trading partner is going to cause a reduction in trade. The question is whether it was worth it - for some the answer will be yes (any cost to leave the EU) for others no (not worth the economic hit). I’m sure, however, both camps want the U.K. to be the best it can be.
I also think that sensible people on both sides can see that it hasn’t been the smooth ride we were told it was going to be.
Have a listen to Lord Rose - very successful Conservative peer - currently chairman of Asda I think - very switch on about the problems brexit has caused and what can be done to fix them and make Brexit work for the whole country and not just the super rich.
Worth it for what though?
Whatever the underlying reason was for voting. Unless of course they voted for it thinking that it wouldn’t cause a reduction in trade (economic productivity). In that latter instance, I find it hard to be believe people were unable to solve the conundrum I started with it. "
‘Brexit has become an article of faith for some Brexiteers that Brexit still hasn't really happened - somehow - and thus the true dividends must always be around the corner’
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries"
They don’t follow the same physical procedures so it’s not the same. The U.K. export procedures to Europe is more expensive to implement.
It’s not as simple as other destinations and involves costly procedures for customs , freight forwarders and hauliers.
Self inflicted costs here not EU’s fault. We knew what we were voting for apparently. Remember seemless trade guaranteed promise? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries
The EU is in many ways protectionist, so if you’re outside of the club then exporting to the EU can be more difficult that exporting to the ROW. The problem is, the ROW is further away and trade 101, suggests that you have you best trading relationships with those closest to you.
Think of it like this: if I want to sell my bike, who is it easier to sell it to: my next door neighbour, or someone in Scotland? Bit simplistic but the point remains the same. "
Simplistic is good. I understand the example and sounds like the extra work outweighs the distance for many firms. The report says companies say they are four times more likely to trade with ROW than the EU. At first it did not make sense why companies favour ROW but now you explain the extra work involved then perhaps it does |
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"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries
The EU is in many ways protectionist, so if you’re outside of the club then exporting to the EU can be more difficult that exporting to the ROW. The problem is, the ROW is further away and trade 101, suggests that you have you best trading relationships with those closest to you.
Think of it like this: if I want to sell my bike, who is it easier to sell it to: my next door neighbour, or someone in Scotland? Bit simplistic but the point remains the same.
Simplistic is good. I understand the example and sounds like the extra work outweighs the distance for many firms. The report says companies say they are four times more likely to trade with ROW than the EU. At first it did not make sense why companies favour ROW but now you explain the extra work involved then perhaps it does "
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries
They don’t follow the same physical procedures so it’s not the same. The U.K. export procedures to Europe is more expensive to implement.
It’s not as simple as other destinations and involves costly procedures for customs , freight forwarders and hauliers.
Self inflicted costs here not EU’s fault. We knew what we were voting for apparently. Remember seemless trade guaranteed promise? "
Thank you, your explanation matches the other posters. To be clear I did blame the EU. I was curious as to why its favourable for company bosses to trade outside the EU. Looks like the extra work involved outweighs the distance. Thanks again |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries
The EU is in many ways protectionist, so if you’re outside of the club then exporting to the EU can be more difficult that exporting to the ROW. The problem is, the ROW is further away and trade 101, suggests that you have you best trading relationships with those closest to you.
Think of it like this: if I want to sell my bike, who is it easier to sell it to: my next door neighbour, or someone in Scotland? Bit simplistic but the point remains the same.
Simplistic is good. I understand the example and sounds like the extra work outweighs the distance for many firms. The report says companies say they are four times more likely to trade with ROW than the EU. At first it did not make sense why companies favour ROW but now you explain the extra work involved then perhaps it does "
Four times more likely ?? That’s some report . Can we have a link? Or reference for that claim as that’s unlikely. Business trade by seeing where they make money. Cheaper logistics means closer is usually preferred for most but not all products. Taking advantage of empty leg logistics is a benefit for sone routes as we are such a major importer . |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries
The EU is in many ways protectionist, so if you’re outside of the club then exporting to the EU can be more difficult that exporting to the ROW. The problem is, the ROW is further away and trade 101, suggests that you have you best trading relationships with those closest to you.
Think of it like this: if I want to sell my bike, who is it easier to sell it to: my next door neighbour, or someone in Scotland? Bit simplistic but the point remains the same.
Simplistic is good. I understand the example and sounds like the extra work outweighs the distance for many firms. The report says companies say they are four times more likely to trade with ROW than the EU. At first it did not make sense why companies favour ROW but now you explain the extra work involved then perhaps it does
Four times more likely ?? That’s some report . Can we have a link? Or reference for that claim as that’s unlikely. Business trade by seeing where they make money. Cheaper logistics means closer is usually preferred for most but not all products. Taking advantage of empty leg logistics is a benefit for sone routes as we are such a major importer . "
Just in case I'm not allowed to post the link it may be best for me to say it was a site called business matters. Its also on a few other sites but again maybe easier to google. It was actually the other week when an MP mentioned on TV about the higher than usual exports that I looked it up as did not sound right. Anyway bit further down is the quote about trade destinations. Hopefully I have not misunderstood it |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"If there are any here that are involved in exporting can you let me know that after brexit is exporting to an EU country harder than exporting to a non EU country?
I ask as in the report it said companies have said they are now more likely to export to non EU countries than to EU countries. To my simplistic way of thinking is if they have to overcome the same obstacles why favour non EU countries
The EU is in many ways protectionist, so if you’re outside of the club then exporting to the EU can be more difficult that exporting to the ROW. The problem is, the ROW is further away and trade 101, suggests that you have you best trading relationships with those closest to you.
Think of it like this: if I want to sell my bike, who is it easier to sell it to: my next door neighbour, or someone in Scotland? Bit simplistic but the point remains the same.
Simplistic is good. I understand the example and sounds like the extra work outweighs the distance for many firms. The report says companies say they are four times more likely to trade with ROW than the EU. At first it did not make sense why companies favour ROW but now you explain the extra work involved then perhaps it does
Four times more likely ?? That’s some report . Can we have a link? Or reference for that claim as that’s unlikely. Business trade by seeing where they make money. Cheaper logistics means closer is usually preferred for most but not all products. Taking advantage of empty leg logistics is a benefit for sone routes as we are such a major importer .
Just in case I'm not allowed to post the link it may be best for me to say it was a site called business matters. Its also on a few other sites but again maybe easier to google. It was actually the other week when an MP mentioned on TV about the higher than usual exports that I looked it up as did not sound right. Anyway bit further down is the quote about trade destinations. Hopefully I have not misunderstood it"
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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Yes here’s the quote
They aren’t choosing they are being forced due to problems over Brexit. .
“Exporters were four times as likely to change the destination of their goods from the EU to non-EU countries than the other way around and half (50 per cent) of those experiencing difficulties in their exporting “said that the end of the Brexit transition was to blame.” |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Yes here’s the quote
They aren’t choosing they are being forced due to problems over Brexit. .
“Exporters were four times as likely to change the destination of their goods from the EU to non-EU countries than the other way around and half (50 per cent) of those experiencing difficulties in their exporting “said that the end of the Brexit transition was to blame.”"
Yes exactly what I read too. Which was why I asked the question on exporting to the EU and non EU countries. From what you and the other poster said it is a costlier process to export to the EU. You did raise a valid question about the four times bit as you say distance outweighs a costlier process which seems logical. However it appears that companies are finding this is not the case. This surprised me as although I appreciate the costlier process of the EU is a reason to seek elsewhere, the extra distance would far outweigh that especially with fuel prices so high. Anyway as before thanks for the insight |
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It's not necessarily costlier to trade with the EU, but the cost has gone up.
Which makes the non EU option (which has always been there) appear more attractive than it did.
Suppose you were choosing to holiday in either Cornwall or Spain. Your parents had a house in Cornwall you could use for free.
You may choose Cornwall, you may choose Spain. The difference in cost plays a part.
Now your parents have sold the house. It costs you more to holdiay there.
This makes Spain relatively more attractive than it did. Even if Cornwall is still cheaper. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Yes here’s the quote
They aren’t choosing they are being forced due to problems over Brexit. .
“Exporters were four times as likely to change the destination of their goods from the EU to non-EU countries than the other way around and half (50 per cent) of those experiencing difficulties in their exporting “said that the end of the Brexit transition was to blame.”
Yes exactly what I read too. Which was why I asked the question on exporting to the EU and non EU countries. From what you and the other poster said it is a costlier process to export to the EU. You did raise a valid question about the four times bit as you say distance outweighs a costlier process which seems logical. However it appears that companies are finding this is not the case. This surprised me as although I appreciate the costlier process of the EU is a reason to seek elsewhere, the extra distance would far outweigh that especially with fuel prices so high. Anyway as before thanks for the insight"
You’re not quite understanding the quoted statement.
Because it’s such a hassle to export to the EU they are now forced to look elsewhere . They are not choosing to look elsewhere. Sone of their customers in the EU don’t want the hassle either so decline then business.
The logistics are costlier to the rest of the world but if you’re having trouble exporting to the EU then you can’t sell. So even though they will pay more for exporting further they have no choice as they have to sell somewhere and sell something. . The profits ultimately suffer due to the loss of EU trade which had bigger margins.
If you sell a valve for a £100 into the EU but make 40% margin then sell the same valve to South America for £150 selling higher due to increased costs but only make £25 margin. Which is better?
A lot of Brexiteers shout about increases in export values but it’s is never a true reflection of the reality. Turnover increases are not directly related to profit if it’s more expensive to sell.
Quite simply Busivess U.K. is suffering and disadvantaged due to Brexit. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Yes here’s the quote
They aren’t choosing they are being forced due to problems over Brexit. .
“Exporters were four times as likely to change the destination of their goods from the EU to non-EU countries than the other way around and half (50 per cent) of those experiencing difficulties in their exporting “said that the end of the Brexit transition was to blame.”
Yes exactly what I read too. Which was why I asked the question on exporting to the EU and non EU countries. From what you and the other poster said it is a costlier process to export to the EU. You did raise a valid question about the four times bit as you say distance outweighs a costlier process which seems logical. However it appears that companies are finding this is not the case. This surprised me as although I appreciate the costlier process of the EU is a reason to seek elsewhere, the extra distance would far outweigh that especially with fuel prices so high. Anyway as before thanks for the insight
You’re not quite understanding the quoted statement.
Because it’s such a hassle to export to the EU they are now forced to look elsewhere . They are not choosing to look elsewhere. Sone of their customers in the EU don’t want the hassle either so decline then business.
The logistics are costlier to the rest of the world but if you’re having trouble exporting to the EU then you can’t sell. So even though they will pay more for exporting further they have no choice as they have to sell somewhere and sell something. . The profits ultimately suffer due to the loss of EU trade which had bigger margins.
If you sell a valve for a £100 into the EU but make 40% margin then sell the same valve to South America for £150 selling higher due to increased costs but only make £25 margin. Which is better?
A lot of Brexiteers shout about increases in export values but it’s is never a true reflection of the reality. Turnover increases are not directly related to profit if it’s more expensive to sell.
Quite simply Busivess U.K. is suffering and disadvantaged due to Brexit. "
Lol just when I thought I was getting my head around it. To me if I was selling I would choose the least costs in total. As you say it's about profits. So even though the costs to export to the EU have gone up it is still cheaper than exporting to non EU countries when everything is factored in. So personally I would still concentrate on selling in the EU as the overall costs are still lower. If customers are refusing to deal with me then yes I would be forced to look elsewhere. Possibly this is what is making all these bosses take this route but then again possibly not. Good job I don't have anything to do with export |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Yes here’s the quote
They aren’t choosing they are being forced due to problems over Brexit. .
“Exporters were four times as likely to change the destination of their goods from the EU to non-EU countries than the other way around and half (50 per cent) of those experiencing difficulties in their exporting “said that the end of the Brexit transition was to blame.”
Yes exactly what I read too. Which was why I asked the question on exporting to the EU and non EU countries. From what you and the other poster said it is a costlier process to export to the EU. You did raise a valid question about the four times bit as you say distance outweighs a costlier process which seems logical. However it appears that companies are finding this is not the case. This surprised me as although I appreciate the costlier process of the EU is a reason to seek elsewhere, the extra distance would far outweigh that especially with fuel prices so high. Anyway as before thanks for the insight
You’re not quite understanding the quoted statement.
Because it’s such a hassle to export to the EU they are now forced to look elsewhere . They are not choosing to look elsewhere. Sone of their customers in the EU don’t want the hassle either so decline then business.
The logistics are costlier to the rest of the world but if you’re having trouble exporting to the EU then you can’t sell. So even though they will pay more for exporting further they have no choice as they have to sell somewhere and sell something. . The profits ultimately suffer due to the loss of EU trade which had bigger margins.
If you sell a valve for a £100 into the EU but make 40% margin then sell the same valve to South America for £150 selling higher due to increased costs but only make £25 margin. Which is better?
A lot of Brexiteers shout about increases in export values but it’s is never a true reflection of the reality. Turnover increases are not directly related to profit if it’s more expensive to sell.
Quite simply Busivess U.K. is suffering and disadvantaged due to Brexit.
Lol just when I thought I was getting my head around it. To me if I was selling I would choose the least costs in total. As you say it's about profits. So even though the costs to export to the EU have gone up it is still cheaper than exporting to non EU countries when everything is factored in. So personally I would still concentrate on selling in the EU as the overall costs are still lower. If customers are refusing to deal with me then yes I would be forced to look elsewhere. Possibly this is what is making all these bosses take this route but then again possibly not. Good job I don't have anything to do with export "
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems . "
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
Copied and pasted from the Daily Mail
We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper.. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success.
I prefer reality.
There are two types of people when it comes to this kind of stuff.
1. Those who want Britain to be the best it can be.
2. Those who accept things as they are and lash out at people who expect better from the government.
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This is only really good news for normal folk if the export levels result in lower prices for us all or higher wages down the line. Just having high export levels doesn't really help normal folk otherwise. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems . "
Can’t speak about Hamburg airport but let’s look at the export figures and why this has not been translated into confidence in the £GBP and confidence in the U.K. economy generally through investment.
It’s because the export surge has been led primarily by gas - nothing else.
If the economy was booming there would be confidence in the currency and we would see inward investment levels surging. This isn’t happening and your comment only demonstrates why newspapers are so effective at brainwashing people.
We are teetering on the brink of recession, there is no confidence in the currency or the economy and our workers are paid less and are charged more for their basic essentials than almost anywhere else in Europe. |
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
Copied and pasted from the Daily Mail
We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper.. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success.
I prefer reality.
There are two types of people when it comes to this kind of stuff.
1. Those who want Britain to be the best it can be.
2. Those who accept things as they are and lash out at people who expect better from the government.
. So you do not dispute its accuracy - you appear just to resent the success of the UK. "
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"In May - Exports to the EU hit an all time high £16.9 billion - even if inflation is stripped out exports are back to levels last seen in Dec 2020 .
Exports to the rest of the world also jumped by 17.1 % .
I think we can safely ignore the merchants of doom and gloom who love to criticise the government and the UK economy at every single opportunity .
It is interesting to note that queues at Hamburg airport sometimes snake out of the terminals and down the spur road - far worse than anything at Heathrow or Gatwick . We can hardly blame any UK issues on Brexit as Germany faces identical problems .
Copied and pasted from the Daily Mail
We already have a thread talking about people who read this paper.. So you do not dispute the accuracy of the information. We are not all merchants of doom and gloom - we prefer to celebrate success.
I prefer reality.
There are two types of people when it comes to this kind of stuff.
1. Those who want Britain to be the best it can be.
2. Those who accept things as they are and lash out at people who expect better from the government.
. So you do not dispute its accuracy - you appear just to resent the success of the UK.
I dispute the accuracy of everything you post because you have no credibility. That's reason enough."
And here's another reason; if you're up to listening to it:
Analysis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00199x1?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile |
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