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"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.” What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? " Awful, ‘all’ child abusers should imprisoned for life and castrated | |||
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"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.” What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? " both. I'm sure people were afraid of being called racist. I couldn't tell you whether it was a founded fear or not. But I'd imagine there were also other factors. Over worked, short staffed departments. A culture of not believing victims. Not having a joined up approach to these things. | |||
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"According to the Daily Mail - "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men". So, yeah." Gross incompetence then | |||
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"Need to learn from these very clear lessons and it should never happen again. It would not bother me for sure if such people were castrated. " I agree, castrate them ‘all’ | |||
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"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.” What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? " We shouldn’t be afraid of calling these vile and heinous acts against children. Seems a lot of people were also scared of Jimmy Saville also. He had power and influence, had the coppers in his pocket, people tried to report him and were dismissed as crazy. The media even knew and they were silent. Something is indeed going on, the victims in Telford and all victims of abuse are often ignored by authorities, in one form or another. The police and authorities should have done better, instead of hiding behind being labelled as racist. It seems to be their get out of jail free card, can’t do their job blame the fact they couldn’t do anything because of some perceived sensitive issue. When it is in actual fact is systemic failings in police and social service system that let it continue. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. It’s editorial is so inaccurate that it’s banned from Wikipedia. Even Russia Today is more trusted than that fear farm." Good job it’s in the Guardian then. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source." "Good job it’s in the Guardian then. " Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link?" https://www.iitcse.com/ There’s a link to the report itself | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link?" https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link?" Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?" It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. " Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. | |||
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"Can you give us a link? https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds" Thanks. You were absolutely right. | |||
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"Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?" I believe it needs double checking because it comes from an unreliable source. Others have helped me to double check, and it turns out to be true. | |||
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"It was and is mainly girls abused by Asian men in this case. Men from cultures who see women and girls as objects to be used and exploited. These men are paedophile's. Sadly, it is still going on. " Seems to be the conclusion I come to Abusers can and do come in all shapes and sizes. But if your part of a community that thinks women are objects, is anyone surprised when they treat them like that? It’s a shame people felt like they couldn’t say anything | |||
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"The people responsible for ‘letting’ this happen need to be sacked immediately , " Totally agree but as we've seen with the scandals in some of the NHS trusts over the negligence that led to unnecessary deaths what will likely happen is those who failed in their duties and responsibilities will simply move on.. | |||
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"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.” What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? " Having read the news about this, I suddenly remembered I had watched an interview with a woman who was groomed by a gang in Telford, it all then fell into place. It is harrowing, listening to how it began, how they trapped her, threatened her. I have the link, but not sure youtube links are allowed. If you search youtube for ladsbible grooming, you will find it. Very upsetting, and such a brave woman to discuss the horrors so openly. | |||
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"The people responsible for ‘letting’ this happen need to be sacked immediately , " sacked is not good enough the8 ever lean and just move on to next council job and same happens again until some are prosecuted nothing will change. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. " This was Ann Cryer, MP for Keighly , back in 2002. She was approached by a group of mothers, complaining that their daughters were being approached and targeted by older men from Pakistan and Mirpur. After gathering evidence, she went to the police with a list of some 65 men. The police did little. The Labour Party, fearful of racist overtures, made her retract her claims and apologise. We all know the rest. | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here" No, you can mention that they are Asian, and it is very pertinent. Anybody accusing anyone of racism should be treated as a fuckwit because Asia is a continent, not a race. There are peoples of all different races who inhabit Asia. | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here" Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long" Explain why it is relevant ? | |||
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"I struggle to understand what the view of others was amongst the perpetrators of this obscene abuse. To most normal, civilised, human beings child abuse on an industrial scale is inhuman, unimaginable. How did these, predominately Asian men, grow up with such a poor view of caucasian females that they thought it acceptable to subject them to sexual and physical abuse? Were they never taught right from wrong or do they generally view caucasian females as no better than animals? Not related to child abuse . But to do with my experience of Asian guys attitudes , albeit 40 plus yrs ago. I worked where there was a 50/50 mix of Indian/Pakistani and English workers. So , being the same age we all got on well. The Asian guys told us they only looked for white girls as their own kind would not indulge in a tenth of what white girls would. Thats if they were even allowed out with them. English girls were easy! The Asians involved in the latest case did it , basically because they were pervs and they were allowed to do so by a police force not allowed to follow up complaints due to the " racism " claims " | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant " It's not irrelevant in this case as the powers that be were concerned it would effect Community relationships if they named it. Its also relevant because of the attitude towards women and girls from this particular community. | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like," Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant It's not irrelevant in this case as the powers that be were concerned it would effect Community relationships if they named it. Its also relevant because of the attitude towards women and girls from this particular community. " The authorities are guilty of gross misconduct, just like they were with Saville etc, whoever dismissed these claims should be held accountable | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant It's not irrelevant in this case as the powers that be were concerned it would effect Community relationships if they named it. Its also relevant because of the attitude towards women and girls from this particular community. The authorities are guilty of gross misconduct, just like they were with Saville etc, whoever dismissed these claims should be held accountable " I totally agree | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? " None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale? | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? " What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere. | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale?" They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. " This was actually a quote from the Independent - the gutter trash news outlet on the other side of the coin from the Daily Mail. Amazing how quickly the stupids came out to challenge it though That other thread cracked me up - I've never seen "adults" so terrified of the written word - hilarious Here's a link. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/telford-grooming-gang-children-abused-b2121490.html | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere." Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale? They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers " "Industrial scale"? Your definition of "industrial" is what exactly? Just another deflecting soundbite. Give it up mate. | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale? They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers "Industrial scale"? Your definition of "industrial" is what exactly? Just another deflecting soundbite. Give it up mate." Richard Huckle is the UKs worst child abuser, jimmy Saville abused over 200 people, Barry Bennel over 50 , shall I continue? | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere. Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years " And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere. Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though " I don’t have an agenda, I shall repeat what I said before, all child abusers should be Castrated and kept in prison for life | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere. Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though I don’t have an agenda, I shall repeat what I said before, all child abusers should be Castrated and kept in prison for life " Surely that would be against the law, against their human rights? | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere. Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though I don’t have an agenda, I shall repeat what I said before, all child abusers should be Castrated and kept in prison for life Surely that would be against the law, against their human rights? " I don’t care, what do ‘all’ these disgusting , vile child abuser have in common ? | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant " The ethnicity along with culturally held beliefs are important to understand in all of these cases, shying aware from acknowledging this, is what landed these girls in danger, led to their deaths in some tragic cases and fending for themselves, as children. In the case of Saville, he used his fame, charity work and contacts. He was a rich, famous white man who believed his word would never be taken as a lie, and people he knew would protect him. He used his position to create opportunities that he exploited. That was his profile, he used his ethnicity and the cultural beliefs of those around him to exploit and create untold misery. His profile is understood and one that means people will speak up and not let things slide. In the case of the Pakistan grooming gangs, they have a belief that white girls are easier to manipulate with alcohol, drugs and that young girls in the Pakistan community are off limits and unresponsive to the way they target their victims, by pretending to be their boyfriend. There is so much more than what is here! If we must acknowledge that people and groups have profiles that can be identified and used to protect the most vulnerable people in our society, if we don't we will never resolve or protect. The fear of being branded a racist, or being fearful of challenging the rich and famous, is simply no excuse for professional services not acting in the best interests of these children, especially when they know what is going on. | |||
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"Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here? " The majority were, unfortunately these cases or just the tip of the iceberg, | |||
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"Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here? " I think you’ll find plenty of paedos, r*pists, murderers and drug dealers were born here too! | |||
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"Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here? I think you’ll find plenty of paedos, r*pists, murderers and drug dealers were born here too!" Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority were born here | |||
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"Asia has 60px of the worirls population. There are more Asians than men. So why are these Asian grooming gangs, not make grooming gangs? While not as extreme, almost a quarter of the world's population is Muslim. But that brush will be used before "male adult" gangs. I agree that culture plays a huge part. But why stop at Asian, or Muslim, give that covers such vast and diverse populations. Even Pakistani isn't really a specific enough term if, as I understand is the case, there are specific regions which are the hot bed for the issues. The fact that we stop at Asian or Muslim rather than male is as much a reflection on us as anything. " The same reason why George Floyd case was a race issue of how white police treat black men. Because there is a cultural issue underlying both cases. And I don't see why you take world population for a problem that happened in UK. | |||
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"The worst thing about this is that some grooming gang members have already finished their sentences and have been allowed to live near the same women they have abused. The women are now having to live through the trauma. Some of them could be deported. But the deportation attempts failed, thanks to ECHR. One of these guys who was about to be deported willingly gave up Pakistani citizenship and claimed that he doesn't have anywhere to go. I know some people worship the ECHR because human rights are important. The problem is ECHR was written many years back to help support refugees in terrible situations. It did not consider modern day problems in mind. As of now, most people understand the loopholes and have started exploiting them willingly. World changes. The laws also need to change accordingly.The ECHR needs a serious reform." did this go to ECtHR? I thought it didn't. Fact is, they outsmarted our government. Their citizenship should have been stripped from the moment they were found guilty. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. " It was Sarah Champion, I believe. Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it. Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction. | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? " Maybe because report after report cites asian grooming gangs and cultural differences? | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? " Not members of grooming gangs? | |||
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"I not going to reply , As I know what your like, Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do Gary Glitter Jimmy Saville Barry Bennel Stuart Hall Tim Westwood Richard Huckle Fred Talbot Etc etc all have in common? None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale? They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers "Industrial scale"? Your definition of "industrial" is what exactly? Just another deflecting soundbite. Give it up mate. Richard Huckle is the UKs worst child abuser, jimmy Saville abused over 200 people, Barry Bennel over 50 , shall I continue? " Telford grooming gang over 1,000 Rotherham over 1,500 | |||
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"Need to learn from these very clear lessons and it should never happen again. It would not bother me for sure if such people were castrated. I agree, castrate them ‘all’ " All and evèryone of those types. | |||
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"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant It's not irrelevant in this case as the powers that be were concerned it would effect Community relationships if they named it. Its also relevant because of the attitude towards women and girls from this particular community. The authorities are guilty of gross misconduct, just like they were with Saville etc, whoever dismissed these claims should be held accountable I totally agree" | |||
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"The worst thing about this is that some grooming gang members have already finished their sentences and have been allowed to live near the same women they have abused. The women are now having to live through the trauma. Some of them could be deported. But the deportation attempts failed, thanks to ECHR. One of these guys who was about to be deported willingly gave up Pakistani citizenship and claimed that he doesn't have anywhere to go. I know some people worship the ECHR because human rights are important. The problem is ECHR was written many years back to help support refugees in terrible situations. It did not consider modern day problems in mind. As of now, most people understand the loopholes and have started exploiting them willingly. World changes. The laws also need to change accordingly.The ECHR needs a serious reform.did this go to ECtHR? I thought it didn't. Fact is, they outsmarted our government. Their citizenship should have been stripped from the moment they were found guilty. " This one particularly didn't. But the guy was married and had kids. ECHR has clauses to protect them from deportation for the reason that it "disproportionately affects their family life" | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. It was Sarah Champion, I believe. Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it. Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction." Correct. I have seen the dark side of identity politics in many countries. But this thing what the labour party did ranks as one of the worst. | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. It was Sarah Champion, I believe. Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it. Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction. Correct. I have seen the dark side of identity politics in many countries. But this thing what the labour party did ranks as one of the worst." Do you have a lawyer? Be prepared after reading what happened to Leave.eu in the article below. https://news.sky.com/story/leave-eu-apologises-to-labour-mp-naz-shah-for-calling-her-grooming-gang-apologist-12086617 | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. It was Sarah Champion, I believe. Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it. Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction. Correct. I have seen the dark side of identity politics in many countries. But this thing what the labour party did ranks as one of the worst. Do you have a lawyer? Be prepared after reading what happened to Leave.eu in the article below. https://news.sky.com/story/leave-eu-apologises-to-labour-mp-naz-shah-for-calling-her-grooming-gang-apologist-12086617" I came across this news when it happened and I definitely found it weird. Politicians get called so many things some with factual basis and some without them. Not sure how this specific case resulted in a massive payout. | |||
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"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.” What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? " this thread will go same way as the others on this subject wait for the jimmy savile and most abusers are white men some on here are already putting ALL in there posts lol | |||
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"The worst thing about this is that some grooming gang members have already finished their sentences and have been allowed to live near the same women they have abused. The women are now having to live through the trauma. Some of them could be deported. But the deportation attempts failed, thanks to ECHR. One of these guys who was about to be deported willingly gave up Pakistani citizenship and claimed that he doesn't have anywhere to go. I know some people worship the ECHR because human rights are important. The problem is ECHR was written many years back to help support refugees in terrible situations. It did not consider modern day problems in mind. As of now, most people understand the loopholes and have started exploiting them willingly. World changes. The laws also need to change accordingly.The ECHR needs a serious reform.did this go to ECtHR? I thought it didn't. Fact is, they outsmarted our government. Their citizenship should have been stripped from the moment they were found guilty. This one particularly didn't. But the guy was married and had kids. ECHR has clauses to protect them from deportation for the reason that it "disproportionately affects their family life"" I thought it was about not making someone stateless that it got dropped. I suspect that the HO made a call without giving reasons... | |||
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"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.” What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? this thread will go same way as the others on this subject wait for the jimmy savile and most abusers are white men some on here are already putting ALL in there posts lol" What are your thoughts on the OP ? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? " because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white " I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white " and here he is lol | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol" No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white " that doesn't mean you need to use a race based label. And if you do, use one that helps add as much information as it can. For a country that has spent the last few years distancing itself from its neighbours and embarcing its own identity, we certainly love grouping vast numbers of people into one label. | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? " I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate " the fear of being labelled is part of the reason. Is anyone arguing that ? But there were also huge huge failings that contributed. The findings as so much more than just "scared if being labelled". The recent one has hundreds and hundreds of pages. Yet has been simplified into one headline on one element. Given the vitriol aimed at the police normally, I am surprised at the free pass they get (from what I have skimmed so far it was teachers and similar who feared the racist label, not the police) | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate " I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed " Did the parents also let them down? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?" Possibly. | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?" ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?" That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down? That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps? " It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought? Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts " You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? | |||
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"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. Good job it’s in the Guardian then. Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"? Can you give us a link? Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source? It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked. Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England. A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. This was Ann Cryer, MP for Keighly , back in 2002. She was approached by a group of mothers, complaining that their daughters were being approached and targeted by older men from Pakistan and Mirpur. After gathering evidence, she went to the police with a list of some 65 men. The police did little. The Labour Party, fearful of racist overtures, made her retract her claims and apologise. We all know the rest. " Thank you for that. Its a disgrace to have to apologise for telling the truth. Especially when this is a well known fact in so many Asian communities. | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down? That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps? It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought? Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid?" what about the wives and family and friends of the Asian grooming gangs should they not of noticed something was wrong with there men then is that not a valid question rather than blaming the victims and there family why not blame the pervs and there families? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? " do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto " I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right. I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right. I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it. | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right. I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right. I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it." if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right. I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right. I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it.if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades " I'm not denying that a teenager have a drink or have sex. What I am saying is, if a teenager is doing that all of the time, there is a problem. If a teenager stops acting like a normal teenager there is a problem. As a parent, I would want to know what was going on and do something about it. Would you not want to know why your child was getting d*unk, taking drugs and not coming home at night, or would you seriously put it down to them being a teenager and let them get on with it? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right. I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right. I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it.if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades I'm not denying that a teenager have a drink or have sex. What I am saying is, if a teenager is doing that all of the time, there is a problem. If a teenager stops acting like a normal teenager there is a problem. As a parent, I would want to know what was going on and do something about it. Would you not want to know why your child was getting d*unk, taking drugs and not coming home at night, or would you seriously put it down to them being a teenager and let them get on with it? " ofcorse I’d want to know specially if they stayed out all night but I’m not sure how many or if any stayed out all night I’m saying it’s not there parents fault that there gangs of organised Asian men praying on there kids we should never try to blame anyone apart from the perpetrators of my house was burgled I wouldn’t expect someone to blame me for not haveing a dog the only blame is the scum doing this no one else mate | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down? That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps? It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought? Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid? what about the wives and family and friends of the Asian grooming gangs should they not of noticed something was wrong with there men then is that not a valid question rather than blaming the victims and there family why not blame the pervs and there families?" I assume you hold all perpetrators to the same standards? For example. Royalty. Hold the family of Prince Andrew to account for the paedophilia and child sexual abuse. Hold his mother to account? | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right. I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right. I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it.if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades I'm not denying that a teenager have a drink or have sex. What I am saying is, if a teenager is doing that all of the time, there is a problem. If a teenager stops acting like a normal teenager there is a problem. As a parent, I would want to know what was going on and do something about it. Would you not want to know why your child was getting d*unk, taking drugs and not coming home at night, or would you seriously put it down to them being a teenager and let them get on with it? ofcorse I’d want to know specially if they stayed out all night but I’m not sure how many or if any stayed out all night I’m saying it’s not there parents fault that there gangs of organised Asian men praying on there kids we should never try to blame anyone apart from the perpetrators of my house was burgled I wouldn’t expect someone to blame me for not haveing a dog the only blame is the scum doing this no one else mate " The point I am making has nothing to do with blame, I'm not blaming the parents for the actions of those gangs, let's draw a line under that. It is agreed that support organisations let those children down by not acting in their best interests, I am asking if the parents may have also let them down. | |||
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"Here we go,didn't take long Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed Did the parents also let them down? That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps? It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought? Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid? what about the wives and family and friends of the Asian grooming gangs should they not of noticed something was wrong with there men then is that not a valid question rather than blaming the victims and there family why not blame the pervs and there families? I assume you hold all perpetrators to the same standards? For example. Royalty. Hold the family of Prince Andrew to account for the paedophilia and child sexual abuse. Hold his mother to account?" I don’t care who the perverts are yes hold his family to account for helping to hide his crimes the same as family who may of helped the Asian grooming gangs or should we point the finger at the girls the perve prince is accused of abusing? | |||
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"One wonders how much hidden abuse of Asian girls by Asian males goes unreported especialy within family groups not that I am trying to exuse the abuse of white females " It definitely happens and the Rotherham report covered this. " The Board should address as a priority the under-reporting of exploitation and abuse in minority ethnic communities." On the news (LBC?) they had a Pakistani women from Telford so imagine it happened there. I can easily believe these scum are indiscriminate. And that they also use racist language when absuing white girls. | |||
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"One wonders how much hidden abuse of Asian girls by Asian males goes unreported especialy within family groups not that I am trying to exuse the abuse of white females " Another thing I found curious about this is that some of these men have already finished their sentences and went back to their families. And guess what? The wives of these men are happy to take back these men and lead a normal life. These things clearly show some deep lying issues in these families. Which woman in right mind would take back a p*do as a husband? | |||
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"One wonders how much hidden abuse of Asian girls by Asian males goes unreported especialy within family groups not that I am trying to exuse the abuse of white females Another thing I found curious about this is that some of these men have already finished their sentences and went back to their families. And guess what? The wives of these men are happy to take back these men and lead a normal life. These things clearly show some deep lying issues in these families. Which woman in right mind would take back a p*do as a husband?" a women with no choice who had her marriage arranged and a dowry paid up no doubt it should be illegal in the U.K. it’s 2022 for gods sake | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it?" As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. " So true. So cringe watching people who love playing identity politics when it suits their agenda backpedalling and trying to say the identity of the perpetrators shouldn't make any difference. Hoisted by their own petard | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. " Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? " Like you say don't think anyone in their right mind is actually actively trying to protect the perpetrators specifically. However they were inadvertently given a form of protection when the police, social services etc refused to investigate properly or make arrests because of fear of being called racist or Islamophobic. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? Like you say don't think anyone in their right mind is actually actively trying to protect the perpetrators specifically. However they were inadvertently given a form of protection when the police, social services etc refused to investigate properly or make arrests because of fear of being called racist or Islamophobic." Historically, it seems like child abusers were being ‘protected ‘ for various reasons , these shouldn’t be used as excuses by the authorities | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? " People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group." Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that " Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. " And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way " Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? " A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions " I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected?" I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? " Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions " But Pakistan has one of the highest rates of sexual assault in the world. According to Human Rights watch there's a r-word every 2 hours in Pakistan and a gang R every 8 hours. Obviously not every single man coming from that country is a sexual predators but coming from a culture where it's not seen as severe as it is here and where women have less rights definitely does have an effect on abuse. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? " Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings " *Only have | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have " The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common?" Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way " No. Cultural issues exist. There are two issues at play here - Misogyny and Racism. Misogyny while existing in other cultures, is at an extremely high levels in Islam. There are still women in Western countries being made to go out wearing veils. The whole idea behind this is that women are supposed to cover their whole body and anyone who doesn't do it is of "bad character". The very fact that the wives of these pedos have to take them back to their home and live with them shows the level of misogyny there. Then there is the matter of racism. The victims were all white women and the accounts say that they were racially abused by the perpetrators. So yes, race(or just the religion if you prefer it that way) plays a major role here and it has to be discussed about. As I mentioned above, by your argument, we should not have discussed race in George Floyd's death too. But we did because race mattered in that case. Race mattered in this case too and this should be discussed. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? " It means you entered individual names into a thread talking about grooming gangs, specifically the Telford grooming gang. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? " But Pakistanis only make up 2% of the UK population so obviously the chances of them being on that list are slimmer just by virtue of there being far fewer of them. Yes there are vile disgusting people in a cultures but if there is a significant amount of sexual abuse, mistreatment of women and children etc in a community then it needs to be explored why that is. I work in Slough so work with a lot of Pakistanis, none of them are rapists or mistreat women as far as I'm aware but they're the first to admit that in the wider British Pakistani community there is a problem with it, more so than in the general population. Apparently it can be narrowed down to even more than just Pakistan and generally these guys are from 2 specific regions there | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? " I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends." True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? But Pakistanis only make up 2% of the UK population so obviously the chances of them being on that list are slimmer just by virtue of there being far fewer of them. Yes there are vile disgusting people in a cultures but if there is a significant amount of sexual abuse, mistreatment of women and children etc in a community then it needs to be explored why that is. I work in Slough so work with a lot of Pakistanis, none of them are rapists or mistreat women as far as I'm aware but they're the first to admit that in the wider British Pakistani community there is a problem with it, more so than in the general population. Apparently it can be narrowed down to even more than just Pakistan and generally these guys are from 2 specific regions there" There is no point arguing. This how modern liberals have become a laughing stock. If a single white man has committed such a crime against a single Muslim girl, you will see the same people pointing out how race is really important and has to be discussed. We have over thousand men from a specific race destroying the lives of over thousand women from another specific race. But they will claim that race shouldn't be a talking point here and we need to focus on ways to prevent it, etc. It's pretty much like how jokes making fun of other religions are fun and must be welcome in a secular society, while jokes making fun of Islam is Islamophobia. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? But Pakistanis only make up 2% of the UK population so obviously the chances of them being on that list are slimmer just by virtue of there being far fewer of them. Yes there are vile disgusting people in a cultures but if there is a significant amount of sexual abuse, mistreatment of women and children etc in a community then it needs to be explored why that is. I work in Slough so work with a lot of Pakistanis, none of them are rapists or mistreat women as far as I'm aware but they're the first to admit that in the wider British Pakistani community there is a problem with it, more so than in the general population. Apparently it can be narrowed down to even more than just Pakistan and generally these guys are from 2 specific regions there There is no point arguing. This how modern liberals have become a laughing stock. If a single white man has committed such a crime against a single Muslim girl, you will see the same people pointing out how race is really important and has to be discussed. We have over thousand men from a specific race destroying the lives of over thousand women from another specific race. But they will claim that race shouldn't be a talking point here and we need to focus on ways to prevent it, etc. It's pretty much like how jokes making fun of other religions are fun and must be welcome in a secular society, while jokes making fun of Islam is Islamophobia. " Do you blame the culture and religion of white men who commit these crimes ? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? " These particular gangs targeted only white women. Why? They especially used racially abusive words against the women. The policemen were scared of taking action against them because of fear of being called racist. The home office report said that they couldn't reach a conclusion because the ethnicity of the criminals weren't recorded in many cases. Pakistani population is just 2% in UK. Do you think that the percentage of criminals doing such crimes with Pakistan heritage is less than 2%? Aren't all these enough reasons to talk race here? Again by your argument, even George Floyd death shouldn't have triggered racial discussion, wide spread protest and footballers taking knee for years later became I can show you white policemen killing many other white men, black policemen killing black and white men too. But liberals wanted that to be the main point of discussion in that case. Why not try to be consistent and do the same here? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? " But didn't that report also state that there was disproportionate representation of Pakistani men in grooming gangs? Again yes the most people in these gangs in this country are white, because we're a white majority country, but in terms of proportional representation Pakistanis are disproportionately represented | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? " There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? But Pakistanis only make up 2% of the UK population so obviously the chances of them being on that list are slimmer just by virtue of there being far fewer of them. Yes there are vile disgusting people in a cultures but if there is a significant amount of sexual abuse, mistreatment of women and children etc in a community then it needs to be explored why that is. I work in Slough so work with a lot of Pakistanis, none of them are rapists or mistreat women as far as I'm aware but they're the first to admit that in the wider British Pakistani community there is a problem with it, more so than in the general population. Apparently it can be narrowed down to even more than just Pakistan and generally these guys are from 2 specific regions there There is no point arguing. This how modern liberals have become a laughing stock. If a single white man has committed such a crime against a single Muslim girl, you will see the same people pointing out how race is really important and has to be discussed. We have over thousand men from a specific race destroying the lives of over thousand women from another specific race. But they will claim that race shouldn't be a talking point here and we need to focus on ways to prevent it, etc. It's pretty much like how jokes making fun of other religions are fun and must be welcome in a secular society, while jokes making fun of Islam is Islamophobia. Do you blame the culture and religion of white men who commit these crimes ? " In fact, we already did. When there was a trend of church pastors abusing the kids, didn't we openly talk about this being prevalent in churches? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? But didn't that report also state that there was disproportionate representation of Pakistani men in grooming gangs? Again yes the most people in these gangs in this country are white, because we're a white majority country, but in terms of proportional representation Pakistanis are disproportionately represented" The report took that into account and found that wasn’t the case | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? But Pakistanis only make up 2% of the UK population so obviously the chances of them being on that list are slimmer just by virtue of there being far fewer of them. Yes there are vile disgusting people in a cultures but if there is a significant amount of sexual abuse, mistreatment of women and children etc in a community then it needs to be explored why that is. I work in Slough so work with a lot of Pakistanis, none of them are rapists or mistreat women as far as I'm aware but they're the first to admit that in the wider British Pakistani community there is a problem with it, more so than in the general population. Apparently it can be narrowed down to even more than just Pakistan and generally these guys are from 2 specific regions there There is no point arguing. This how modern liberals have become a laughing stock. If a single white man has committed such a crime against a single Muslim girl, you will see the same people pointing out how race is really important and has to be discussed. We have over thousand men from a specific race destroying the lives of over thousand women from another specific race. But they will claim that race shouldn't be a talking point here and we need to focus on ways to prevent it, etc. It's pretty much like how jokes making fun of other religions are fun and must be welcome in a secular society, while jokes making fun of Islam is Islamophobia. Do you blame the culture and religion of white men who commit these crimes ? In fact, we already did. When there was a trend of church pastors abusing the kids, didn't we openly talk about this being prevalent in churches? " The Catholic Church? Yes, that is true , good point . I just find it uneasy when people try to find excuses for the behaviour of these men. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality." Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? These particular gangs targeted only white women. Why? They especially used racially abusive words against the women. The policemen were scared of taking action against them because of fear of being called racist. The home office report said that they couldn't reach a conclusion because the ethnicity of the criminals weren't recorded in many cases. Pakistani population is just 2% in UK. Do you think that the percentage of criminals doing such crimes with Pakistan heritage is less than 2%? Aren't all these enough reasons to talk race here? Again by your argument, even George Floyd death shouldn't have triggered racial discussion, wide spread protest and footballers taking knee for years later became I can show you white policemen killing many other white men, black policemen killing black and white men too. But liberals wanted that to be the main point of discussion in that case. Why not try to be consistent and do the same here?" The report found no racial trend, statistics prove if you are black you are proportionally more likely to be killed by the police in the US . | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ " Cultures that practice genital mutilation. Cultures that deny women access to education. Cultures that marry barely pubescent girls off to old men. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ " I think it's highlighted itself in these mens treatment of women and girls. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ Cultures that practice genital mutilation. Cultures that deny women access to education. Cultures that marry barely pubescent girls off to old men. " Isis? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? These particular gangs targeted only white women. Why? They especially used racially abusive words against the women. The policemen were scared of taking action against them because of fear of being called racist. The home office report said that they couldn't reach a conclusion because the ethnicity of the criminals weren't recorded in many cases. Pakistani population is just 2% in UK. Do you think that the percentage of criminals doing such crimes with Pakistan heritage is less than 2%? Aren't all these enough reasons to talk race here? Again by your argument, even George Floyd death shouldn't have triggered racial discussion, wide spread protest and footballers taking knee for years later became I can show you white policemen killing many other white men, black policemen killing black and white men too. But liberals wanted that to be the main point of discussion in that case. Why not try to be consistent and do the same here? The report found no racial trend, statistics prove if you are black you are proportionally more likely to be killed by the police in the US . " A lot of other studies have stated that there is a link though. The home office study is just one of thousands done | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ I think it's highlighted itself in these mens treatment of women and girls. " So if culture is the reason why do men from other cultures commit the same crimes? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? These particular gangs targeted only white women. Why? They especially used racially abusive words against the women. The policemen were scared of taking action against them because of fear of being called racist. The home office report said that they couldn't reach a conclusion because the ethnicity of the criminals weren't recorded in many cases. Pakistani population is just 2% in UK. Do you think that the percentage of criminals doing such crimes with Pakistan heritage is less than 2%? Aren't all these enough reasons to talk race here? Again by your argument, even George Floyd death shouldn't have triggered racial discussion, wide spread protest and footballers taking knee for years later became I can show you white policemen killing many other white men, black policemen killing black and white men too. But liberals wanted that to be the main point of discussion in that case. Why not try to be consistent and do the same here? The report found no racial trend, statistics prove if you are black you are proportionally more likely to be killed by the police in the US . A lot of other studies have stated that there is a link though. The home office study is just one of thousands done" Do you have a link to these studies | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ Cultures that practice genital mutilation. Cultures that deny women access to education. Cultures that marry barely pubescent girls off to old men. Isis?" You do realise female genital mutilation is a massive problem worldwide, not just done by ISIS right? And I'd say if a culture practices this it's fair to say they hate women | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ I think it's highlighted itself in these mens treatment of women and girls. So if culture is the reason why do men from other cultures commit the same crimes? " Because patriarchy dominates. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? These particular gangs targeted only white women. Why? They especially used racially abusive words against the women. The policemen were scared of taking action against them because of fear of being called racist. The home office report said that they couldn't reach a conclusion because the ethnicity of the criminals weren't recorded in many cases. Pakistani population is just 2% in UK. Do you think that the percentage of criminals doing such crimes with Pakistan heritage is less than 2%? Aren't all these enough reasons to talk race here? Again by your argument, even George Floyd death shouldn't have triggered racial discussion, wide spread protest and footballers taking knee for years later became I can show you white policemen killing many other white men, black policemen killing black and white men too. But liberals wanted that to be the main point of discussion in that case. Why not try to be consistent and do the same here? The report found no racial trend, statistics prove if you are black you are proportionally more likely to be killed by the police in the US . A lot of other studies have stated that there is a link though. The home office study is just one of thousands done Do you have a link to these studies " Google it. I'm not gonna send you a link to thousands of independent studies. Do your own research | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? But Pakistanis only make up 2% of the UK population so obviously the chances of them being on that list are slimmer just by virtue of there being far fewer of them. Yes there are vile disgusting people in a cultures but if there is a significant amount of sexual abuse, mistreatment of women and children etc in a community then it needs to be explored why that is. I work in Slough so work with a lot of Pakistanis, none of them are rapists or mistreat women as far as I'm aware but they're the first to admit that in the wider British Pakistani community there is a problem with it, more so than in the general population. Apparently it can be narrowed down to even more than just Pakistan and generally these guys are from 2 specific regions there There is no point arguing. This how modern liberals have become a laughing stock. If a single white man has committed such a crime against a single Muslim girl, you will see the same people pointing out how race is really important and has to be discussed. We have over thousand men from a specific race destroying the lives of over thousand women from another specific race. But they will claim that race shouldn't be a talking point here and we need to focus on ways to prevent it, etc. It's pretty much like how jokes making fun of other religions are fun and must be welcome in a secular society, while jokes making fun of Islam is Islamophobia. Do you blame the culture and religion of white men who commit these crimes ? In fact, we already did. When there was a trend of church pastors abusing the kids, didn't we openly talk about this being prevalent in churches? The Catholic Church? Yes, that is true , good point . I just find it uneasy when people try to find excuses for the behaviour of these men. " Yes. Issues with the religion did matter there. It matters in here too. It's disgusting that liberals try to block open discussion about religion's influence on this case. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ I think it's highlighted itself in these mens treatment of women and girls. So if culture is the reason why do men from other cultures commit the same crimes? Because patriarchy dominates." In all cultures? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ I think it's highlighted itself in these mens treatment of women and girls. So if culture is the reason why do men from other cultures commit the same crimes? " You are a very balanced individual, well you appear to be here, so I assume you know when you are pushing water uphill? There are Pakistani grooming gangs and they need to be identified as what they are, this will allow for a greater understanding of the why and how. As mentioned above, it has happened with the Catholic priests, and white privileged male groomers, so what is different here? Face into it and it might go someway in slowing down the fear of being able to say what the actual problem is, without tiptoeing around the subject until the core of the issue is dissolved into "you must be a racist". This very thing is how the supporting agencies ended up burying their heads in the sand and letting these gangs have total control of their victims, unchallenged. | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? I can find black policemen in the US who also have killed people in duty. Does that mean we should avoid talking about white policemen killing black people? Examples do not point out a trend. Grooming gangs have a particular trend related to race and this can be resolved only when there is an open discussion about these racial trends. True, these gangs are predominantly ‘Asian’ but if you take into account all these types of crimes there is no trend (look at the home office report) . I agree that ‘operating ‘ in a gang might be due to their culture but do we blame the culture of these men who commit these horrific crimes alone ? There is something in a culture that hates women and girls, sees them as less than and, in general has a problem with female sexuality. Can you highlight which culture ‘hates women and girls’ I think it's highlighted itself in these mens treatment of women and girls. So if culture is the reason why do men from other cultures commit the same crimes? Because patriarchy dominates. In all cultures? " Yes you could argue it does in all cultures, but to much different extremes. Do you honestly believe women I'm Scandanavia have the same rights and life experiences on average as women in Pakistan? Sweden is a secular democracy with a long history of feminism and equal rights. In Pakistan where there's a strictly enforced religious patriarchy there's a r*pe every 2 hours | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject." I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. | |||
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"The key difference is our culture doesn’t teach that women are lesser to the extent that some extreme forms of Islam do. So these men from those regions are going to be more likely to be abusers I don’t think it’s a race issue, because a white person born into that culture and extreme religion are going to be the same. I don’t see why a certain user on this thread wants to deny these things. Our country should support stomping out harmful cultural ideas and practises. We don’t allow female genital mutilation. We let women vote and drive and dress how they want. We allow women to read and become educated. And if someone comes over here and says they don’t like that, we shouldn’t respect that view. And I think it’s the same here. We need to call a spade a spade. If you come over with views that women are lesser, that white little girls are the perfect prey, that these are acceptable things to do, we need to tackle that culture. By just saying “bad people exist everywhere” and ignoring the obvious cultural issues we need to fight against isn’t helping " You make a good point, my issue is when religion and culture is being used as the main and only reason why these men commit these crimes. If culture and religion is such an important factor why are the vast majority (proportionally ) of child abusers in those country white and not Muslim ??i don’t try and excuse or explain their behaviour in anyway , I see them as vile and disgusting people | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism." That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? | |||
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"The key difference is our culture doesn’t teach that women are lesser to the extent that some extreme forms of Islam do. So these men from those regions are going to be more likely to be abusers I don’t think it’s a race issue, because a white person born into that culture and extreme religion are going to be the same. I don’t see why a certain user on this thread wants to deny these things. Our country should support stomping out harmful cultural ideas and practises. We don’t allow female genital mutilation. We let women vote and drive and dress how they want. We allow women to read and become educated. And if someone comes over here and says they don’t like that, we shouldn’t respect that view. And I think it’s the same here. We need to call a spade a spade. If you come over with views that women are lesser, that white little girls are the perfect prey, that these are acceptable things to do, we need to tackle that culture. By just saying “bad people exist everywhere” and ignoring the obvious cultural issues we need to fight against isn’t helping You make a good point, my issue is when religion and culture is being used as the main and only reason why these men commit these crimes. If culture and religion is such an important factor why are the vast majority (proportionally ) of child abusers in those country white and not Muslim ??i don’t try and excuse or explain their behaviour in anyway , I see them as vile and disgusting people " I think tackling the people, not the culture, won’t fix the core issue You can keep saying “bad people exist everywhere” and keep locking them up. And things won’t change unless we tackle cultures and ideas that cause those things. Shitty people exist everywhere. We can’t change a rogue psycho that wanes to do awful things. But we can actively target cultures and ideas that cause problems That’s why I agree with the latest push for men telling other men to back the fuck off when they are being shitty to women. Because it’s changing ideas and cultures So I don’t think we can just ignore that these grooming gangs were largely ran by a certain type of person with w certain religion and cultural views. We need to attack that head on. One child sex offender is a problem A big group of them all from one culture/religion points to a system. We’ve gotta dismantle that system | |||
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"The key difference is our culture doesn’t teach that women are lesser to the extent that some extreme forms of Islam do. So these men from those regions are going to be more likely to be abusers I don’t think it’s a race issue, because a white person born into that culture and extreme religion are going to be the same. I don’t see why a certain user on this thread wants to deny these things. Our country should support stomping out harmful cultural ideas and practises. We don’t allow female genital mutilation. We let women vote and drive and dress how they want. We allow women to read and become educated. And if someone comes over here and says they don’t like that, we shouldn’t respect that view. And I think it’s the same here. We need to call a spade a spade. If you come over with views that women are lesser, that white little girls are the perfect prey, that these are acceptable things to do, we need to tackle that culture. By just saying “bad people exist everywhere” and ignoring the obvious cultural issues we need to fight against isn’t helping You make a good point, my issue is when religion and culture is being used as the main and only reason why these men commit these crimes. If culture and religion is such an important factor why are the vast majority (proportionally ) of child abusers in those country white and not Muslim ??i don’t try and excuse or explain their behaviour in anyway , I see them as vile and disgusting people I think tackling the people, not the culture, won’t fix the core issue You can keep saying “bad people exist everywhere” and keep locking them up. And things won’t change unless we tackle cultures and ideas that cause those things. Shitty people exist everywhere. We can’t change a rogue psycho that wanes to do awful things. But we can actively target cultures and ideas that cause problems That’s why I agree with the latest push for men telling other men to back the fuck off when they are being shitty to women. Because it’s changing ideas and cultures So I don’t think we can just ignore that these grooming gangs were largely ran by a certain type of person with w certain religion and cultural views. We need to attack that head on. One child sex offender is a problem A big group of them all from one culture/religion points to a system. We’ve gotta dismantle that system " I agree with that, I am just wary on focusing on religion or culture when this varies from person to person . We shouldn’t concentrate on specific area as this will allow others who don’t fit this profile to go undetected . I am afraid that it is very difficult to eradicate and re educate these men, most have urges that will only be prevented with castration or life imprisonment. I am happy for them to receive both | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? " What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"?" What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? " I have answered all your questions. When there is enough evidence that religion and culture has a part in it, people have blamed it. When abuse was common in churches, people did blame the culture there. Same way, it's only logical to blame a religion and culture in this matter because there is a clear trend. But you haven't answered my question. If a white person shows you example of Asians and Black people doing something racist, should you avoid talking about white racism? Because that's the exact argument you are making. Hey, I found other people who do the same mistake, so you should not blame this particular community for it. There are only two logically consistent stances you can take here. You either say that crime should be discussed as the act of individuals and not bring religion or race to it. It you are taking this stance, you should also stop making statements like "white people do x,y,z". Or you take a stance that it is fine to talk about culture, religion and race if there is a clear trend, no matter who the perpetrators are. If you are going to say you can talk about race in one crime and not talk about race in another crime when there is a clear trend and disproportionate representation of a specific race, you are just being a hypocrite. This applies both to liberals and conservatives. | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? I have answered all your questions. When there is enough evidence that religion and culture has a part in it, people have blamed it. When abuse was common in churches, people did blame the culture there. Same way, it's only logical to blame a religion and culture in this matter because there is a clear trend. But you haven't answered my question. If a white person shows you example of Asians and Black people doing something racist, should you avoid talking about white racism? Because that's the exact argument you are making. Hey, I found other people who do the same mistake, so you should not blame this particular community for it. There are only two logically consistent stances you can take here. You either say that crime should be discussed as the act of individuals and not bring religion or race to it. It you are taking this stance, you should also stop making statements like "white people do x,y,z". Or you take a stance that it is fine to talk about culture, religion and race if there is a clear trend, no matter who the perpetrators are. If you are going to say you can talk about race in one crime and not talk about race in another crime when there is a clear trend and disproportionate representation of a specific race, you are just being a hypocrite. This applies both to liberals and conservatives." Where did I say you can’t talk about race? I am happy to talk about race and religion in all these cases | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? I have answered all your questions. When there is enough evidence that religion and culture has a part in it, people have blamed it. When abuse was common in churches, people did blame the culture there. Same way, it's only logical to blame a religion and culture in this matter because there is a clear trend. But you haven't answered my question. If a white person shows you example of Asians and Black people doing something racist, should you avoid talking about white racism? Because that's the exact argument you are making. Hey, I found other people who do the same mistake, so you should not blame this particular community for it. There are only two logically consistent stances you can take here. You either say that crime should be discussed as the act of individuals and not bring religion or race to it. It you are taking this stance, you should also stop making statements like "white people do x,y,z". Or you take a stance that it is fine to talk about culture, religion and race if there is a clear trend, no matter who the perpetrators are. If you are going to say you can talk about race in one crime and not talk about race in another crime when there is a clear trend and disproportionate representation of a specific race, you are just being a hypocrite. This applies both to liberals and conservatives. Where did I say you can’t talk about race? I am happy to talk about race and religion in all these cases " You said that you agree with this line - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And now you are saying that you are totally fine about talking race. Why shouldn't race be a topic when it's clear from victim accounts that the criminals were racist and misogynist? No one claims all people belonging to the religion are like this. But when you have see such a trend, you need to look at the impact this religion is having on its followers. And that's exactly what people are doing here. | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? I have answered all your questions. When there is enough evidence that religion and culture has a part in it, people have blamed it. When abuse was common in churches, people did blame the culture there. Same way, it's only logical to blame a religion and culture in this matter because there is a clear trend. But you haven't answered my question. If a white person shows you example of Asians and Black people doing something racist, should you avoid talking about white racism? Because that's the exact argument you are making. Hey, I found other people who do the same mistake, so you should not blame this particular community for it. There are only two logically consistent stances you can take here. You either say that crime should be discussed as the act of individuals and not bring religion or race to it. It you are taking this stance, you should also stop making statements like "white people do x,y,z". Or you take a stance that it is fine to talk about culture, religion and race if there is a clear trend, no matter who the perpetrators are. If you are going to say you can talk about race in one crime and not talk about race in another crime when there is a clear trend and disproportionate representation of a specific race, you are just being a hypocrite. This applies both to liberals and conservatives. Where did I say you can’t talk about race? I am happy to talk about race and religion in all these cases You said that you agree with this line - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And now you are saying that you are totally fine about talking race. Why shouldn't race be a topic when it's clear from victim accounts that the criminals were racist and misogynist? No one claims all people belonging to the religion are like this. But when you have see such a trend, you need to look at the impact this religion is having on its followers. And that's exactly what people are doing here. " I do, it is my opinion that there are more important factors , if religion and culture is responsible for these crimes then this should apply to them all. What motivates a person who isn’t a Muslim commit these crimes? | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? I have answered all your questions. When there is enough evidence that religion and culture has a part in it, people have blamed it. When abuse was common in churches, people did blame the culture there. Same way, it's only logical to blame a religion and culture in this matter because there is a clear trend. But you haven't answered my question. If a white person shows you example of Asians and Black people doing something racist, should you avoid talking about white racism? Because that's the exact argument you are making. Hey, I found other people who do the same mistake, so you should not blame this particular community for it. There are only two logically consistent stances you can take here. You either say that crime should be discussed as the act of individuals and not bring religion or race to it. It you are taking this stance, you should also stop making statements like "white people do x,y,z". Or you take a stance that it is fine to talk about culture, religion and race if there is a clear trend, no matter who the perpetrators are. If you are going to say you can talk about race in one crime and not talk about race in another crime when there is a clear trend and disproportionate representation of a specific race, you are just being a hypocrite. This applies both to liberals and conservatives. Where did I say you can’t talk about race? I am happy to talk about race and religion in all these cases You said that you agree with this line - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And now you are saying that you are totally fine about talking race. Why shouldn't race be a topic when it's clear from victim accounts that the criminals were racist and misogynist? No one claims all people belonging to the religion are like this. But when you have see such a trend, you need to look at the impact this religion is having on its followers. And that's exactly what people are doing here. I do, it is my opinion that there are more important factors , if religion and culture is responsible for these crimes then this should apply to them all. What motivates a person who isn’t a Muslim commit these crimes? " It's same way a person who is non-white also to commit racist crimes. Islamic teachings is probably a reason for Muslims to commit these crimes. Some aspects of Christian religious life could be the reason for people of Church committing this crime. Others could have other reasons but most probably not related to their race/culture because there isn't a disproportionate representation there. | |||
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"It would be great to hear from Indian and Pakistani males on the subject. I am an Indian male. While the criminals here are labelled as "Asian" or "South Asian", you will hardly see Indians there. At the same time, I will be the first one to accept that misogyny in India is higher than western countries. A woman wearing short dresses is still seen as unethical woman in most parts of the country. Most women avoid wearing something like this and travel in public transport or go outside of cities. At the same time, if we are looking at the scale of it, misogyny is much worse than India in Pakistan and also Muslim communities in India. The fact that women are being made to wear black face veils at 40 degrees heat should tell you a lot. Many Indian Islamic communities follow the rule that a man can marry a woman from another religion under the condition that the woman should convert to Islam. But a woman from the religion is not allowed to marry a man in another religion. The whole face veil thing and marriage rules show their attitude towards women. Some of them move to western countries and see how women here wear whatever they want and act with equal rights and develop a bad attitude towards the woman. Anyone who opens their mouths about it is being labelled a racist. You might have heard about this trend among other swingers. Many Asian men in swinger clubs would happily have sex with other men. Buy they openly admit that they will never allow their wife to such a thing. This is the reality. Any discussions around this will be hit back with whataboutism. That attitude isn’t exclusive to Muslims. Do you find that you are ‘discriminated’ on here because of your back ground? What you are doing here is the whataboutism I was talking about. Misogyny exists in other cultures. But they have all made progress over the years. If you look at it relatively, misogyny is way worse in Islam than other cultures. "But other religions too have it" isn't an excuse for the situation being so bad in Islam. Would you accept if a white person tells you "but other religions also have racist. So we shouldn't talk about racism among white men specifically"? What? If your blaming religion and culture for the behaviour of these animals what are you going to blame for the behaviour of the men who commit the same disgusting crimes who don’t share the same religion and culture? I have answered all your questions. When there is enough evidence that religion and culture has a part in it, people have blamed it. When abuse was common in churches, people did blame the culture there. Same way, it's only logical to blame a religion and culture in this matter because there is a clear trend. But you haven't answered my question. If a white person shows you example of Asians and Black people doing something racist, should you avoid talking about white racism? Because that's the exact argument you are making. Hey, I found other people who do the same mistake, so you should not blame this particular community for it. There are only two logically consistent stances you can take here. You either say that crime should be discussed as the act of individuals and not bring religion or race to it. It you are taking this stance, you should also stop making statements like "white people do x,y,z". Or you take a stance that it is fine to talk about culture, religion and race if there is a clear trend, no matter who the perpetrators are. If you are going to say you can talk about race in one crime and not talk about race in another crime when there is a clear trend and disproportionate representation of a specific race, you are just being a hypocrite. This applies both to liberals and conservatives. Where did I say you can’t talk about race? I am happy to talk about race and religion in all these cases You said that you agree with this line - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And now you are saying that you are totally fine about talking race. Why shouldn't race be a topic when it's clear from victim accounts that the criminals were racist and misogynist? No one claims all people belonging to the religion are like this. But when you have see such a trend, you need to look at the impact this religion is having on its followers. And that's exactly what people are doing here. I do, it is my opinion that there are more important factors , if religion and culture is responsible for these crimes then this should apply to them all. What motivates a person who isn’t a Muslim commit these crimes? It's same way a person who is non-white also to commit racist crimes. Islamic teachings is probably a reason for Muslims to commit these crimes. Some aspects of Christian religious life could be the reason for people of Church committing this crime. Others could have other reasons but most probably not related to their race/culture because there isn't a disproportionate representation there." There isn’t disproportionate representation with Muslims , unless you have the stats to prove otherwise?? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? " thats what you do every time this topic is discussed turn to most pervs are white men butbyou don’t want to talk about the grooming gangs so in that way your defending them by taking topic away it’s like your like the authority’s that let these poor kids down because they where afraid of the race card | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? thats what you do every time this topic is discussed turn to most pervs are white men butbyou don’t want to talk about the grooming gangs so in that way your defending them by taking topic away it’s like your like the authority’s that let these poor kids down because they where afraid of the race card " I am not defending them, let me say this again, they should all be castrated and imprisoned for life . Why are you only concerned with Muslim child abusers? | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? thats what you do every time this topic is discussed turn to most pervs are white men butbyou don’t want to talk about the grooming gangs so in that way your defending them by taking topic away it’s like your like the authority’s that let these poor kids down because they where afraid of the race card I am not defending them, let me say this again, they should all be castrated and imprisoned for life . Why are you only concerned with Muslim child abusers? " it’s because this is a thread about the Asian grooming gangs mate why do you always try and change the topic of your not defending them | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? thats what you do every time this topic is discussed turn to most pervs are white men butbyou don’t want to talk about the grooming gangs so in that way your defending them by taking topic away it’s like your like the authority’s that let these poor kids down because they where afraid of the race card I am not defending them, let me say this again, they should all be castrated and imprisoned for life . Why are you only concerned with Muslim child abusers? it’s because this is a thread about the Asian grooming gangs mate why do you always try and change the topic of your not defending them " I will say this yet again, they should all be castrated and imprisoned for life. Muslim, Christian, white, Black, old, young, wealthy , poor every single one of them . | |||
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"I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. All this pointing fingers at victims families and perpetrators families is totally counterproductive. Oh it’s Asian People, Oh it’s White People. Round and round it goes, will it ever stop? If you could read the comments, it’s a total joke. Really, you should be looking at the beginning, you solve problems from the ground up. How do we safeguard our children against sexual predators and abusive/coercive control? How do we identify individuals who have abusive tendencies? And stop them immediately? What societal factors are enabling these behaviours? Do we need eduction on this? Our collective effort should be being brave enough to speak out in our communities of wrong doing being strong to not let things slide, and not expecting others to speak out. If we want to see change happen, we need a collective effort to root out and destroy abuse from ever occurring. So are you lot going to be more vigilant? Are you going to speak up if you see something happening in your local communities? Are you going to support your neighbourhood? Instead of berating it? As I said in another comment, if there are racial trends in a crime, it will be talked about. Would you use the same excuse for the George Floyd case? Should we just have ignored race and focused on policing in general? Not at all. There has been a trend of white policemen usung violence against black men. This is not different. All the victims were white women and most of the criminals were from Pakistani background. Yes, we need to look at ways to protect the children from getting into these situation. But the criminals were racist and misogyny within that section of population has clearly played a part in it. So it has to be talked about. If you say race has to be talked about for one set if criminals/victims, but it shouldn't be talked about for another set of criminal/victims, then you are a massive hypocrite. You talked about speaking up against these issues. But the investigation shows that many were afraid of speaking up and doing their duties simply because they knew for a fact the race card will be played and they are the ones who will be called Islamophobes. Maybe liberals must be careful using the word Islamophobe all the time? Anyway, I am not surprised that people are coming out trying to protect this group by bending their own logic. Nothing new about it. Who in their right mind is ‘trying to protect this group’? People who are trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues in this matter are trying to protect this group. Who is trying to stop other people from talking about racial issues, this gang of disgusting perverts where Asian , nobody is denying that Literally the first line of the message you quoted says this - I get extremely saddened to see how race becomes the topic rather than the crimes which were committed. And I agree with that line, the issue here isn’t about race , it’s about the disgusting men who commit these crimes, white, Asian, black whatever they are animals their race doesn’t doesn’t make them this way Would you agree that culture plays a role, and that men of certain races are more likely to be involved in those cultures? A recent home office report concluded that race and culture had no bearing on child abuse cases, these disgusting animals should not be allowed to make ‘excuses’ for their actions I guess we can agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that cultures where women are viewers as lesser than men, as objects, will result in more abuse. I don’t see why you’d feel compelled to defend thise cultures. Do you agree with their ideas on women being less than men? Or do you just see it as their culture to be respected? I am not defending them, I am doing the opposite , I am not making excuses (blaming their culture ) for their disgusting behaviour . No , I don’t agree with those ideas, I also don’t believe in the misogyny that is prevalent in a number of different ‘cultures’ . Do you have any evidence to suggest that culture and race is directly affecting the number of child abusers in the UK ? Nope, personally I don’t need it. Misogyny is going to cause it. A culture that thinks of women as lesser are going to treat them like that. I don’t need statistics to back that up. I’m not trying to defend misogyny. I’m fully against it, stats or not. Do you need stats to be against misogyny and think it’ll result in poor treatment of women or children? Yes I am against misogyny, unfortunately it occurs in every culture, do you agree? If culture is such an important factor why do these animals come from all different religions, races, ages , wealthy or poor, occupations etc etc.They so my have 2 things in common , they are men and they are disgusting human beings *Only have The Telford, Rochdale and Rotherham men and disgusting human beings were all members of Pakistani grooming gangs, is that not another thing they have in common? Yes , obviously in these cases that is true , however, I am talking about ‘all’ of these people. I have listed some of the most prolific child abusers in the UK, none of them were Pakistani , what does this mean? Do we blame their culture or just accept they are vile disgusting people ? thats what you do every time this topic is discussed turn to most pervs are white men butbyou don’t want to talk about the grooming gangs so in that way your defending them by taking topic away it’s like your like the authority’s that let these poor kids down because they where afraid of the race card I am not defending them, let me say this again, they should all be castrated and imprisoned for life . Why are you only concerned with Muslim child abusers? " The thread is about Pakistani grooming gangs, namely Telford, but for whatever reason you simply keep adding in what about, lone white males, and to smooth out that view you then add in what about every other too.. The report was very clear that a failure to address the group behind these terrible crimes for fear of being labelled a racist, led to them being allowed to do as they pleased. Your replies seem to be amplifying those mistakes. | |||
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