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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm |
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"Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm "
Any of them really. with the right money and the right spin doctors any of them COULD be a threat.
I think it foolish to dismiss anyone.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
I saw a survey mid-afternoon yesterday that declared if Boris called an Election right now Labour would just win but NOT with a majority. Like what? Let me read that again? Not with a majority!!! How can that be?
So. No. The conservatives don't need anyone 'scary' as you put it. Labour already have that sorted for them.
What is a little annoying is the Major Financial Announcement that was supposed to be coming on Monday has probably been snafued by Rishi resigning and Boris resigning. I wonder if this was part of Rishi's plan, as he didn't agree with Boris on its direction?
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"Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm "
They all scare me. It's better not to distinguish between them.
Not all snakes are poisonous - but it can be difficult to tell them all apart.
Tories are the same - basically to be avoided due to the harm they may be capable of.
Certainly, if someone from his recent Cabinets becomes PM, you'll just get more of the same, with slightly fewer lies. |
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"I saw a survey mid-afternoon yesterday that declared if Boris called an Election right now Labour would just win but NOT with a majority. Like what? Let me read that again? Not with a majority!!! How can that be?
So. No. The conservatives don't need anyone 'scary' as you put it. Labour already have that sorted for them.
What is a little annoying is the Major Financial Announcement that was supposed to be coming on Monday has probably been snafued by Rishi resigning and Boris resigning. I wonder if this was part of Rishi's plan, as he didn't agree with Boris on its direction?
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I do think some blame lies with Labour. But much more with our voting system, I can't remember the numbers but in terms of raw votes, Labour have to get more votes for a majority than the Torys do.
Based on the distribution of safe seats etc.
Also of course we still need to unhitch the media from the Tory party for Labour to get a proper shot at the title.
Answering the OP's original question, a Wallace or a Mordaunt (or as you suggest Davidson). They've not been seen to be too close to Johnson, and not caught up in the worst of the sleaze.
Just about enough personality to do it. |
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"Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm "
No not at all. The opposition parties have absolutely zero chance of getting elected. The Tories are here to stay, their machine is designed to stay in power at all costs. Boris's resignation is enough evidence for that.
The prospect of JRM demonising homosexuality, or trying to take Britain back to the Victorian era treating people like serfs is terrifying.
Steve Baker is also a fucking terrifying prospect.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm "
Tobias Ellwood could be just that person. Spoke up early on Boris and others, he has a military background (the old guard love that) and polar opposite of the outgoing PM, in he seems to have an understanding of principles. I think Starmer would struggle with him, but I think the press could maul him.
His biggest challenge comes in the fact that he wanted to remain, and the tories could see that as a vote loser, I'm not sure it would be. |
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"Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm
Tobias Ellwood could be just that person. Spoke up early on Boris and others, he has a military background (the old guard love that) and polar opposite of the outgoing PM, in he seems to have an understanding of principles. I think Starmer would struggle with him, but I think the press could maul him.
His biggest challenge comes in the fact that he wanted to remain, and the tories could see that as a vote loser, I'm not sure it would be."
The vast majority of the press support the Tories, so I don't think they need to worry too much about that.
There was a survey done at the end of last year that said 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know you can't trust these things. But it a PM who will do everything possible to mitigate against the brexit damage, could actually be popular? I don't think it'll happen though. |
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"There was a survey done at the end of last year that said 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know you can't trust these things. But it a PM who will do everything possible to mitigate against the brexit damage, could actually be popular? I don't think it'll happen though. "
I think that 18% is probably accurate, however I think the % of people who will openly and publicly they were wrong about brexit is very different.
Kinda why SKS started the whole Make Brexit Work strategy.
I also think there are enough people who will let their pride dictate their vote on the matter.
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"the business barons need to be prevented from continuing to have such massive influence by purchasing conservative and unionist mp's. stopping that huge level of corruption would help greatly.  "
Tbh the whole lobbying, all party parliamentary groups funded by business interests and charities etc needs massively overhauling..
Pretty sure in some of the Scandinavian countries there are much tighter controls.. |
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"Is there any conservative that would scare you if they took over… you know… competent enough where they would actually be a challenge?
Me personally… if they could parachute and persuade Ruth Davidson into a seat… it would make me think hmmmmmm "
Ruth davidson wasnt very good as nicola used to slaughter her every week |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Interesting that so many favour military men….I guess it’s because Queen and country mean more to them than political games and they seem to have integrity even if they are not quite so dynamic?"
The word military can be used to conjure up many positive attributes. Hero, safe, tough, decision maker, honour and so on. Marketers wet dream over a Rupert the sone of a banker. Although if used in the negative, it could have quite the opposite effect... Dangerous, crude, risk taker, life taker.
Spin doctors and whips will pave the way |
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"god forbid we have military leaders incharge of the country. i'd prefer to see somebody who has a modicum of an idea of what it's like to live in the real world"
that’s never going to happen most of the pms all go to private schools so how can they know about reall life
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"god forbid we have military leaders incharge of the country. i'd prefer to see somebody who has a modicum of an idea of what it's like to live in the real worldthat’s never going to happen most of the pms all go to private schools so how can they know about reall life "
exactly, and the same goes for those that spent a greater part of life barracked and taking orders. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think Ben Wallace could so well if Ukraine is still a topic in 2 years. I suspect there's blue wall could back military although I believe he's more right than others ?
Both Rishi and Nadhim would be an interesting counterpoint to SKS. (Likewise braverman and Patel, although I think both have been tarnished by being Boris mouthpieces). However is rishi too money ? Possibly for the voters that matter. Nadhim may not be able to give immigration the same focus which is where Tories pick up votes.
Really tho, Boris got rid of any strong contenders in 2019... And so noone jumps out. However that may actually be to a Tory benefit ...they can move from character based to policy based campaigning ... Which is probably needed given the damage Boris has done. People may want boring again.
(Caveat: not a labour voters. Just have never voted conservative). |
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"I think Ben Wallace could so well if Ukraine is still a topic in 2 years. I suspect there's blue wall could back military although I believe he's more right than others ?
Both Rishi and Nadhim would be an interesting counterpoint to SKS. (Likewise braverman and Patel, although I think both have been tarnished by being Boris mouthpieces). However is rishi too money ? Possibly for the voters that matter. Nadhim may not be able to give immigration the same focus which is where Tories pick up votes.
Really tho, Boris got rid of any strong contenders in 2019... And so noone jumps out. However that may actually be to a Tory benefit ...they can move from character based to policy based campaigning ... Which is probably needed given the damage Boris has done. People may want boring again.
(Caveat: not a labour voters. Just have never voted conservative). "
Please don’t think Braverman is acceptable. She is to the right of Steve Baker, a proponent of the fake culture wars of wokeism and has become attorney general without actually achieving the status of QC….she’s very second rate  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think Ben Wallace could so well if Ukraine is still a topic in 2 years. I suspect there's blue wall could back military although I believe he's more right than others ?
Both Rishi and Nadhim would be an interesting counterpoint to SKS. (Likewise braverman and Patel, although I think both have been tarnished by being Boris mouthpieces). However is rishi too money ? Possibly for the voters that matter. Nadhim may not be able to give immigration the same focus which is where Tories pick up votes.
Really tho, Boris got rid of any strong contenders in 2019... And so noone jumps out. However that may actually be to a Tory benefit ...they can move from character based to policy based campaigning ... Which is probably needed given the damage Boris has done. People may want boring again.
(Caveat: not a labour voters. Just have never voted conservative).
Please don’t think Braverman is acceptable. She is to the right of Steve Baker, a proponent of the fake culture wars of wokeism and has become attorney general without actually achieving the status of QC….she’s very second rate "
I was neither commenting on her views nor competency. Simply that the Tories could use a "labour even had a female leader, and SKD is a middle class white male" angle to attack labour. If they were to make this about leadrts like last time. |
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Ruth Davidson is the most over hyped politician. The press never mention that in her first election campaign as leader the Scottish Tories got the lowest amount of votes in their history. But she is the darling of the right wing media. |
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"Surely any Conservative would scare Labour or the opposition.
Labour are currently unelectable."
Exactly this. Doesn't matter which Eton narcissist they wheel in, the electorate have been conditioned to believe that this dog turd of a government is as good as it gets. |
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