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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
He'll certainly make a lot more money now than while prime minister. Bet he's looking forward to that  |
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"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
I agree with this to be fair. It seems to happen time and time again if you look back |
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I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now |
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"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
Covid was bad to handle but his persistent lying about parties, sexual misconduct, who paid for his flat renovation, giving contracts to his mates etc etc is just too much; even for the Conservative party. |
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"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
All 12 of them  |
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Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids
All 12 of them "
Does he actually know how many there are? 
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"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
Which of his many kids will he be spending the summer with ? |
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"Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job"
Personally I don't want to be entertained by the Prime Minister. I was a reasonably honest politician who knows what they are doing even if they are staid and boring. Johnson was and is a buffoon. If I wanted that I would vote for Ant and Dec. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"The country is fucked no matter who takes over x"
That is the sad truth. No amount of P.R. or spin can change the train wreck the country is in for after summer ends. Both of the main political parties are to blame, and to expect solutions from those of led us here is an exercise in futility. |
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They all lie and are in it for themselves, like everybody is in life. When shit hits the fan thats when see people true colours. So when his replacement comes in and when people bored of him or her theyll also get stiched up by the press. Honesty hahahahahaha |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now "
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories."
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now "
That's why he was ousted. They knew that, with him in place, they wouldn't win the next UK GE.
Anyone who says it was for any other reason is either deluded or simply full of sh!t.
That said, it won't stop Tories denying that was the reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
Why didn’t he resign last night then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job"
You voted for the Tory party, not Boris and they have just decided he was shit at the job |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job
You voted for the Tory party, not Boris and they have just decided he was shit at the job "
This is something a lot of people are not understanding. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job
You voted for the Tory party, not Boris and they have just decided he was shit at the job
This is something a lot of people are not understanding. "
I know, it is embarrassing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is the new leader who ever it may be goin 2 change the current polices ? ..if no then u might as well av a monkey in front of the camera ..Boris as took a lot of stick x "
A monkey would do a better job,  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is the new leader who ever it may be goin 2 change the current polices ? ..if no then u might as well av a monkey in front of the camera ..Boris as took a lot of stick x "
He did but he caused a lot of it himself. I genuinely believe he has lost the plot and let power go to his head. |
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"Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job"
If Boris was the best man for the job. May as well just have the meteorite take us all out now.
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"Both of the main political parties are to blame, and to expect solutions from those of led us here is an exercise in futility. "
I mean I don't like Starmer very much, but doing "both sides" on this is ridiculous.
The Tories have been in power for a decade, if you don't think much of where the country is now then you can give them 99% of the blame and Labour 1% for not being good enough to usurp them. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
That is incredibly magnanimous if you but he deserves everything bad that happens to him. He was a disaster of a PM for so many reasons!!!! |
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"I presume that while he's writing his "I'm the greatest" speech, Carrie is busy stuffing the number 10 silverware in her suitcase..."
Surely she's lining up the divorce and looking at who she might attach herself to next, because she's obviously after a bigger role in politics somewhere... |
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He ain't gone yet, and I wouldn't put anything past him yet..
No mention at all of the effects his actions have had on people, just more me, me, me..
Like a churlish child he can not accept he has done anything wrong and instead it's about his own MPs who have done him in..
Complete bs.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He ain't gone yet, and I wouldn't put anything past him yet..
No mention at all of the effects his actions have had on people, just more me, me, me..
Like a churlish child he can not accept he has done anything wrong and instead it's about his own MPs who have done him in..
Tbh he will be ousted as ‘caretaker ‘ PM very very soon , I just hope he gets one more PMQs though
Complete bs.."
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue."
agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition |
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If Kier Starmar thinks he now stands a chance of seeing the inside of 10 Downing I think he’s wrong! It won’t happen … not on my vote anyway
And if Angela Rayner thinks her chances have gone up then god help us all  I would never in a million want the job to be hers! |
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"If Kier Starmar thinks he now stands a chance of seeing the inside of 10 Downing I think he’s wrong! It won’t happen … not on my vote anyway
And if Angela Rayner thinks her chances have gone up then god help us all I would never in a million want the job to be hers! "
Haha, your boy Boris has made that possibility far more likely that it was in 2019 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hate how the press turn everything political into a witch hunt
He’s been through the most shit term of office, he’s probably ready to go anyway. At least he can enjoy the summer with his kids"
99.9% of that shit was caused by his own failings |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me "
It’s just like someone said on LBC this morning…the prospect of a new Conservative PM is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your dad order for you. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition "
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government. |
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"If Kier Starmar thinks he now stands a chance of seeing the inside of 10 Downing I think he’s wrong! It won’t happen … not on my vote anyway
And if Angela Rayner thinks her chances have gone up then god help us all I would never in a million want the job to be hers! "
I agree. People will keep voting for more of the same shit we've had for the past 12 years. |
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"Doesn't suite what the press wants. Legend Boris with a bit of character, never voted Tory in my life but did for Boris, wont be doing so again and the fuck head keir starmer will never get my vote. No policies, just loves jumping on bandwagon. Boris best man for job
You voted for the Tory party, not Boris and they have just decided he was shit at the job "
I wonder what gave it away...
The election that gave us this mess was based around Brexit and "who we liked." Such a basic approach to politics has given us this outcome. The whole system is not fit for purpose. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government."
eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ? |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?"
Anything is better than the Tories. Literally you, me and some fellas from down the pub would be 8 billion % better. At least.
So blaming the perception of one of the opposition parties for people still voting Tory is the weakest excuse. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?"
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right"
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
Anything is better than the Tories. Literally you, me and some fellas from down the pub would be 8 billion % better. At least.
So blaming the perception of one of the opposition parties for people still voting Tory is the weakest excuse. "
it’s not a perception it’s a fact if we had decent opposition then the next ge would be interesting we would have a chance of change it’s called democracy you can blame the torys all you want but until they have an opponent nothing will change lmao |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?"
So your voting Tory again at the next GE? |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like."
I get the impression their politics is identitarian. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
Anything is better than the Tories. Literally you, me and some fellas from down the pub would be 8 billion % better. At least.
So blaming the perception of one of the opposition parties for people still voting Tory is the weakest excuse. it’s not a perception it’s a fact if we had decent opposition then the next ge would be interesting we would have a chance of change it’s called democracy you can blame the torys all you want but until they have an opponent nothing will change lmao "
Dead right. Let's blame everyone else except the Tories for the Tories being shit. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian. "
Isn't that a far right ideology? Rather than hard left. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
So your voting Tory again at the next GE? "
iv not said that I’m praying labour grow sun balls and come up with a manifesto worth voting for even better if they get rid of sks |
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over a year ago
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian. "
What? The far right ideology? |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
Anything is better than the Tories. Literally you, me and some fellas from down the pub would be 8 billion % better. At least.
So blaming the perception of one of the opposition parties for people still voting Tory is the weakest excuse. it’s not a perception it’s a fact if we had decent opposition then the next ge would be interesting we would have a chance of change it’s called democracy you can blame the torys all you want but until they have an opponent nothing will change lmao
Dead right. Let's blame everyone else except the Tories for the Tories being shit. "
iv said there shit ffs read the posts mare before replying |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
So your voting Tory again at the next GE? iv not said that I’m praying labour grow sun balls and come up with a manifesto worth voting for even better if they get rid of sks "
And if they don’t it’s Tory again? You do know there are other parties? |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
So your voting Tory again at the next GE? iv not said that I’m praying labour grow sun balls and come up with a manifesto worth voting for even better if they get rid of sks "
The opposite of voting Tory, is not voting Tory.
Labour have nothing to do with it. |
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"I think it’s bad news
A new leader just gives the conservatives new hope
If there’s a general election all the people that voted Tory will do it again, under the guise that there’s a “proper leader” in place now
This has some potential to play out as you say. The timing is playing into the hands of the tories.
100% agree.
As much as it's nice to see the Tories in disarray, I don't see anything getting better out of this. They will get reelected at the next GE, business as usual will continue. agree with you on this mate it’s a sad state of affairs when there’s no decent opposition
Why are you blaming the opposition? It's a sad state of affairs when people can't even imagine a less shit, less self serving government.eh because if we had a decent opposition then the end of this shower of shit would be here in a few years it’s called a general election if we don’t have something better to vote for it’s going to be the same don’t you really see that ?
Anything is better than the Tories. Literally you, me and some fellas from down the pub would be 8 billion % better. At least.
So blaming the perception of one of the opposition parties for people still voting Tory is the weakest excuse. it’s not a perception it’s a fact if we had decent opposition then the next ge would be interesting we would have a chance of change it’s called democracy you can blame the torys all you want but until they have an opponent nothing will change lmao
Dead right. Let's blame everyone else except the Tories for the Tories being shit. iv said there shit ffs read the posts mare before replying "
No, it's easier to blame labour instead. |
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One thing I might add on here, I have no criticism of who votes for which party. I firmly believe we are all entitled to plump for the party that sits square with their politics. No one is right or wrong, the closest we get to a correct answer is the outcome of a GE. I’m Tory, I’m not here to slaughter Labour supporters or those that back Lib Dems |
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"One thing I might add on here, I have no criticism of who votes for which party. I firmly believe we are all entitled to plump for the party that sits square with their politics. No one is right or wrong, the closest we get to a correct answer is the outcome of a GE. I’m Tory, I’m not here to slaughter Labour supporters or those that back Lib Dems"
Rightly so, are you happy with what the Tory party have done since 2010 |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology? "
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism. "
Oh I understand you.
I don't agree with you, because I don't see any of that. But thank you for explaining why you don't like Labour and momentum.
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism. "
Identitarianism is a pan-European nationalist,[3][4] far-right[5][6] political ideology asserting the right of European ethnic groups and white peoples to Western culture and territories claimed to belong exclusively to them |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism. "
This is certainly what people on the right tend to believe, as it allows them to feel justified in their sociopathy. And that’s what right wing politics are, nothing more, nothing less.
Except at the very edges of the extreme, left wing politics are never sociopathic. Whereas even their most ‘benign’, right wing politics, their politicians and their supporters are sociopathic at their core. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
Identitarianism is a pan-European nationalist,[3][4] far-right[5][6] political ideology asserting the right of European ethnic groups and white peoples to Western culture and territories claimed to belong exclusively to them"
Thank you for the explanation but the impression I’m under is the left are more vocal about identity than the right (politically speaking). I assume I’m permitted to view it that way, that is, I’m entitled to see it the way I do as you are entitled to view it the way you do. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
This is certainly what people on the right tend to believe, as it allows them to feel justified in their sociopathy. And that’s what right wing politics are, nothing more, nothing less.
Except at the very edges of the extreme, left wing politics are never sociopathic. Whereas even their most ‘benign’, right wing politics, their politicians and their supporters are sociopathic at their core."
Sociopathic? Are you suggesting I’m such a person? I wouldn’t dream of labelling someone on here as such, I wouldn’t know them well enough to do so. I judge one at a time not based on political affiliation |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
This is certainly what people on the right tend to believe, as it allows them to feel justified in their sociopathy. And that’s what right wing politics are, nothing more, nothing less.
Except at the very edges of the extreme, left wing politics are never sociopathic. Whereas even their most ‘benign’, right wing politics, their politicians and their supporters are sociopathic at their core.
Sociopathic? Are you suggesting I’m such a person? I wouldn’t dream of labelling someone on here as such, I wouldn’t know them well enough to do so. I judge one at a time not based on political affiliation "
Of course you would - you just labelled and dismissed Momentum supporters for being ‘identitarian’ without knowing anything about their politics, so you’re clearly prone to make judgements about large groups of people who you don’t know well enough based on political affiliation. You just don’t realise that’s exactly what you do. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
Identitarianism is a pan-European nationalist,[3][4] far-right[5][6] political ideology asserting the right of European ethnic groups and white peoples to Western culture and territories claimed to belong exclusively to them
Thank you for the explanation but the impression I’m under is the left are more vocal about identity than the right (politically speaking). I assume I’m permitted to view it that way, that is, I’m entitled to see it the way I do as you are entitled to view it the way you do."
Identity politics is a vague term. For example, the social background of people who benefit from Tory rule is very specific. They don't talk about it, they just do it.
Where as the left might talk about equality for the LGBTQ+ communities. And get attacked for employing identity politics.
In my mind, there should be no need for Identity politics. If everyone had the same opportunities in life, we wouldn't need to campaign for gay rights, equal opportunities for women, campaign against institutional racism etc. But we're not there yet. |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
This is certainly what people on the right tend to believe, as it allows them to feel justified in their sociopathy. And that’s what right wing politics are, nothing more, nothing less.
Except at the very edges of the extreme, left wing politics are never sociopathic. Whereas even their most ‘benign’, right wing politics, their politicians and their supporters are sociopathic at their core.
Sociopathic? Are you suggesting I’m such a person? I wouldn’t dream of labelling someone on here as such, I wouldn’t know them well enough to do so. I judge one at a time not based on political affiliation
Of course you would - you just labelled and dismissed Momentum supporters for being ‘identitarian’ without knowing anything about their politics, so you’re clearly prone to make judgements about large groups of people who you don’t know well enough based on political affiliation. You just don’t realise that’s exactly what you do."
I don’t like their politics, that is a fair stand to take. Calling them pursuers of identity politics doesn’t diminish them as people, it doesn’t make them good or bad, I can’t judge them personally just on that bit of info. Completely different to suggesting those who are on the political right are sociopathic, a world of difference |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
Identitarianism is a pan-European nationalist,[3][4] far-right[5][6] political ideology asserting the right of European ethnic groups and white peoples to Western culture and territories claimed to belong exclusively to them
Thank you for the explanation but the impression I’m under is the left are more vocal about identity than the right (politically speaking). I assume I’m permitted to view it that way, that is, I’m entitled to see it the way I do as you are entitled to view it the way you do.
Identity politics is a vague term. For example, the social background of people who benefit from Tory rule is very specific. They don't talk about it, they just do it.
Where as the left might talk about equality for the LGBTQ+ communities. And get attacked for employing identity politics.
In my mind, there should be no need for Identity politics. If everyone had the same opportunities in life, we wouldn't need to campaign for gay rights, equal opportunities for women, campaign against institutional racism etc. But we're not there yet."
What rights are the gay community being denied? |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
Identitarianism is a pan-European nationalist,[3][4] far-right[5][6] political ideology asserting the right of European ethnic groups and white peoples to Western culture and territories claimed to belong exclusively to them
Thank you for the explanation but the impression I’m under is the left are more vocal about identity than the right (politically speaking). I assume I’m permitted to view it that way, that is, I’m entitled to see it the way I do as you are entitled to view it the way you do.
Identity politics is a vague term. For example, the social background of people who benefit from Tory rule is very specific. They don't talk about it, they just do it.
Where as the left might talk about equality for the LGBTQ+ communities. And get attacked for employing identity politics.
In my mind, there should be no need for Identity politics. If everyone had the same opportunities in life, we wouldn't need to campaign for gay rights, equal opportunities for women, campaign against institutional racism etc. But we're not there yet.
What rights are the gay community being denied?"
Are you genuinely unaware, Or trying to make some kind of point? And why did you pick this, and ignore the main point being made?
If you're unaware, have a Google. A good place to start would be looking at the legislation that keeps getting voted down by the Tories, and reading about what the proposed legislation is trying to achieve.
If you're trying to make a point, please feel free to make it. |
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I was not aware the gay community are being denied rights others have. Hurdles such as gay marriage and child adoption have hurdled, I’m assuming a gay man for example has the same rights as me (right to own property, the right to not be discriminated against when seeking employment, etc). |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like.
I get the impression their politics is identitarian.
What? The far right ideology?
Identity politics isn’t restricted to the far right, members of the far left look at people through the same prism.
Identitarianism is a pan-European nationalist,[3][4] far-right[5][6] political ideology asserting the right of European ethnic groups and white peoples to Western culture and territories claimed to belong exclusively to them
Thank you for the explanation but the impression I’m under is the left are more vocal about identity than the right (politically speaking). I assume I’m permitted to view it that way, that is, I’m entitled to see it the way I do as you are entitled to view it the way you do."
Of course your entitled to your opinion, but it’s not based on anything factual , |
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"I only hope the Tories can now get past the distraction of Boris and really lead. The thought of a Momentum backed Labour Party in power concerns me
Why?
Too many hard left individuals. Having said that, how the Labour membership comprises itself is not a thing for me to decide on as I’m on the right
Fair enough.
I don't support labour or momentum. But I'm curious what people actually don't like about them as no one seems to be able to articulate it beyond headlines like "hard left" and the like."
from what I know about momentum, they work to a decision by committee structure, and have thrown the kitchen sink into its rules on the National coordinating Group. Such as if the 20 elected members don't include one person who self-identifies as disabled, one person who self-identifies as LGBT+ and three young persons under 30, then up to 4 more places will be elected to ensure these groups are represented.
What happens if those 4 new places aren't filled, 4 more until they are?
That is where it starts to taint its own image, they want those 4 groups in the main NCG, why not vote for those 4 group nominations separately and bring the number of the NCG down to 16. (I hope that makes sense)
They are neither here nor there snd give the impression they are so inclusive to get something done, would take forever. Pie in the sky. |
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No one said they don't.
As from 2020 gay people in NI can get married. This was campaigned for hard, meanwhile people attacked those who campaigned for it calling it Identity politics.
I was asking the person who is against identity politics for some more information on his opinion. |
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"I was not aware the gay community are being denied rights others have. Hurdles such as gay marriage and child adoption have hurdled, I’m assuming a gay man for example has the same rights as me (right to own property, the right to not be discriminated against when seeking employment, etc).
I wouldn’t label those who fought for rights others have as identity politics in that instance. That was a mountain to climb in NI given the strength of religious conviction they have there. We have meandered off the path the thread was about, my apologies to the OP for the deviation
No one said they don't.
As from 2020 gay people in NI can get married. This was campaigned for hard, meanwhile people attacked those who campaigned for it calling it Identity politics.
I was asking the person who is against identity politics for some more information on his opinion. "
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"I was not aware the gay community are being denied rights others have. Hurdles such as gay marriage and child adoption have hurdled, I’m assuming a gay man for example has the same rights as me (right to own property, the right to not be discriminated against when seeking employment, etc).
I wouldn’t label those who fought for rights others have as identity politics in that instance. That was a mountain to climb in NI given the strength of religious conviction they have there. We have meandered off the path the thread was about, my apologies to the OP for the deviation
No one said they don't.
As from 2020 gay people in NI can get married. This was campaigned for hard, meanwhile people attacked those who campaigned for it calling it Identity politics.
I was asking the person who is against identity politics for some more information on his opinion. "
A mountain to climb in NI due to their religious convictions, I wouldn’t call that particular fight one of identity politics, I support the right to gay marriage, because denying it to a group based on their identity is unfair. My apologies to the OP for straying from the opening post. |
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