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"Trying to decide who the next PM should be is a bit like trying to decide what toilet to use at Glastonbury "Some toilets are more disgusting than others. Mogg and Steve Baker for example. | |||
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"Yep Steve Baker worries me….smart and committed to righter than right free market economy….he will appeal to a lot of tories "He's truly ruthless. If we thought the last 12 years were hard on working British people, poor people, disabled people etc. He would make it look like a picnic in comparison. | |||
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"According to conservative home who have funnily enough been carrying out polls with verified members for several months the two who have been there at the top and second at every stage of the leaders election process is Ben Wallace and Penny Mourdant .." Heard that on the radio, yesterday - interesting stuff. However, if anyone from any of Boris' Cabinets gets the job, they will reek of all his misdeeds, due to their part in enabling them. None of them are fit to be PM. The fact that any of them are even being considered tells you that the Tory Party has learned nothing from appointing Boris to lead them. He won one election, on one issue - the proved to be as incapable of government as anyone with any sense already knew he was. | |||
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"Has anyone asked Putin who he wants?" Putin's boy johnski has just resigned though | |||
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"Has anyone asked Putin who he wants? Putin's boy johnski has just resigned though " Wonder who Putin has as deputy.. Boris is entitled to a payment of £400k for resigning as are cabinet ministers.. So whilst the country is being run by the civil service, some of whom have been bullied by government ministers the same people are cashing in on their complicity in defending the indefensible behaviour of Boris.. Democracy eh.. | |||
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"Has anyone asked Putin who he wants? Putin's boy johnski has just resigned though Wonder who Putin has as deputy.. Boris is entitled to a payment of £400k for resigning as are cabinet ministers.. So whilst the country is being run by the civil service, some of whom have been bullied by government ministers the same people are cashing in on their complicity in defending the indefensible behaviour of Boris.. Democracy eh.. " There's never any downside for his kind. That's why none of them take anything seriously - unless they are forced to - that affects the "little people". That won't change under any Tory leader. | |||
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"Tobias Elwood for me." I don't think he will run. | |||
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"Has anyone asked Putin who he wants? Putin's boy johnski has just resigned though Wonder who Putin has as deputy.. Boris is entitled to a payment of £400k for resigning as are cabinet ministers.. So whilst the country is being run by the civil service, some of whom have been bullied by government ministers the same people are cashing in on their complicity in defending the indefensible behaviour of Boris.. Democracy eh.. There's never any downside for his kind. That's why none of them take anything seriously - unless they are forced to - that affects the "little people". That won't change under any Tory leader." I was just reading an article online. Every former prime minister can claim £115,000 per year for expenses, offices and other things . The article stated that all former prime ministers had and are claiming this amount including Nick Clegg. So all no matter what political not one has turned down this payment . | |||
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"Just for the shit and giggles I'd like to see them evict Johnson from number 10 with immediate effect, and re-install May as caretaker until a GE in August. "Great idea | |||
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"Just for the shit and giggles I'd like to see them evict Johnson from number 10 with immediate effect, and re-install May as caretaker until a GE in August.
Great idea "There won't be a GE in August. The only way that could happen is if Labour put down a "no confidence" motion in the Commons and a large number of Conservative MPs vote for it, which they won't. | |||
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"Boris is gone, well nearly gone, but does it make any difference? Unless the next cabinet and government move away from their dogmatic anti EU stance and adopt a more traditional, pragmatic and realistic approach to the EU and everything else it will make little difference if any at all. That doesn't mean necessarily having to reverse BREXIT, although I'd be happy enough with that, but it does mean being realistic about our on going relationship with the EU and being honest about the very real downsides that BREXIT is causing." Absolutely zero chance the Tories will change tack now about the EU, or any of it. There might be some speeches. But fuck all will change. | |||
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"It also means not choosing future government appointments almost exclusively on their commitment to the BREXIT cause but on their ability to actually do the job." Agree fully with this and the other post above it but I really fear that the tribalism is too entrenched and too many have invested too much in a project (which we are now seeing is economically harming the country) to accept it was never going be as easy as they promised because they the EU need us more etc and the deal which is a crock is not and never was oven ready.. | |||
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"It also means not choosing future government appointments almost exclusively on their commitment to the BREXIT cause but on their ability to actually do the job. Agree fully with this and the other post above it but I really fear that the tribalism is too entrenched and too many have invested too much in a project (which we are now seeing is economically harming the country) to accept it was never going be as easy as they promised because they the EU need us more etc and the deal which is a crock is not and never was oven ready.." Why would the Tories care about this though? Their only mission is to stay in power, they couldn't give a shit about how badly they damage the country. Just look at the current situation. Boris is only gone because he posed a threat to their party, not because they suddenly realised he wasn't doing anything for the UK and British people. | |||
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"It also means not choosing future government appointments almost exclusively on their commitment to the BREXIT cause but on their ability to actually do the job. Agree fully with this and the other post above it but I really fear that the tribalism is too entrenched and too many have invested too much in a project (which we are now seeing is economically harming the country) to accept it was never going be as easy as they promised because they the EU need us more etc and the deal which is a crock is not and never was oven ready.. Why would the Tories care about this though? Their only mission is to stay in power, they couldn't give a shit about how badly they damage the country. Just look at the current situation. Boris is only gone because he posed a threat to their party, not because they suddenly realised he wasn't doing anything for the UK and British people." They don't care no, not all mind as there are some decent people in that party but equally it could be said that the same applies to any party that's been in power more than one term.. It starts to be more about staying there.. | |||
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"It also means not choosing future government appointments almost exclusively on their commitment to the BREXIT cause but on their ability to actually do the job. Agree fully with this and the other post above it but I really fear that the tribalism is too entrenched and too many have invested too much in a project (which we are now seeing is economically harming the country) to accept it was never going be as easy as they promised because they the EU need us more etc and the deal which is a crock is not and never was oven ready.. Why would the Tories care about this though? Their only mission is to stay in power, they couldn't give a shit about how badly they damage the country. Just look at the current situation. Boris is only gone because he posed a threat to their party, not because they suddenly realised he wasn't doing anything for the UK and British people. They don't care no, not all mind as there are some decent people in that party but equally it could be said that the same applies to any party that's been in power more than one term.. It starts to be more about staying there.." Any political party will eventually come to the conclusion that, without power, it doesn't really matter what you want or believe, it's not going to happen without it. If they've already got it then they'll do pretty much anything to keep it. If they haven't already got it then they'll do ore much anything to get it. | |||
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"I backed Jeremy Hunt (have I spelt it right???) a long time ago but from what I read, any number of other possible candidates would be more popular in the Tory party. I'm struggling to see how anyone in the cabinet could take over so is there a dark horse in the backbenches???" Think the "H" is wrong...
Too crazy a situation to chance a dark horse. The party's in enough trouble. | |||
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"Just for the shit and giggles I'd like to see them evict Johnson from number 10 with immediate effect, and re-install May as caretaker until a GE in August. "Sam Allerdyce in the running till the end of the season | |||
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"Just for the shit and giggles I'd like to see them evict Johnson from number 10 with immediate effect, and re-install May as caretaker until a GE in August.
Sam Allerdyce in the running till the end of the season"I'd rather have Harry | |||
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"Wallace or Morduant " Wallace & Gromit would do a better job than those two | |||
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"It's got to be Jacob Rees-Mogg" Nah he was PM in the 1800s. | |||
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"It's got to be Jacob Rees-Mogg" please let it be just for the comedy value alone jacob rees mog proof that talking slowly in a posh accent does not make you intelligent | |||
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"Wallace or Morduant Wallace & Gromit would do a better job than those two " 
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"I backed Jeremy Hunt (have I spelt it right???) a long time ago but from what I read, any number of other possible candidates would be more popular in the Tory party. I'm struggling to see how anyone in the cabinet could take over so is there a dark horse in the backbenches???" It does seem slim pickings for a new leader. Bit surprised Gove has not been mentioned more. I'm not saying I would particularly want him but thought he would be amongst the front runners | |||
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"I backed Jeremy Hunt (have I spelt it right???) a long time ago but from what I read, any number of other possible candidates would be more popular in the Tory party. I'm struggling to see how anyone in the cabinet could take over so is there a dark horse in the backbenches??? It does seem slim pickings for a new leader. Bit surprised Gove has not been mentioned more. I'm not saying I would particularly want him but thought he would be amongst the front runners" He tried + failed before. He now seems to understand his power is more operating + dealing from the shadows behind the throne. | |||
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"I backed Jeremy Hunt (have I spelt it right???) a long time ago but from what I read, any number of other possible candidates would be more popular in the Tory party. I'm struggling to see how anyone in the cabinet could take over so is there a dark horse in the backbenches??? It does seem slim pickings for a new leader. Bit surprised Gove has not been mentioned more. I'm not saying I would particularly want him but thought he would be amongst the front runners" to much of a remainder for the current parliamentary party EGM would nobble him first round of voting | |||
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"dorries for the win! Imagine the gaffes!" Think of the sloganeering though I'm mad for Nad Dorries not Boris Go Nads! | |||
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"dorries for the win! Imagine the gaffes! Think of the sloganeering though I'm mad for Nad Dorries not Boris Go Nads! " She probably wouldn't even spot the issue with go nads. Hell she's probably wear a tshirt saying as much. | |||
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"BEN WALLACE I have never been a supporter of the Conservatives but I do believe they are the best of a bad bunch of political parties right now. Ben Wallace is calm, level headed and has a good military background. I think he could lead the Conservative party and keep them on a tight lead whilst running the country at this critical time. I expect I will be shot down in flames for backing him but he has impressed me in all interviews I have seen of him and he does not fight for a lime light position." How is the best option the party that has engaged in corruption on an industrial scale + presided over a couple of hundred thousand Covid deaths + lied relentlessly + ruined our economy + accepted loads of dirty Russian money + eroded the rule of law + ruined our reputation around the world + trashed our rights + engaged in endless culture wars? | |||
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"The above is my opinion and I agree with all the policies they have set in place, you obviously disagree and I cannot be ass'd explaining why at this time The main thing I back is their energy policy which covers every aspect of energy to ensure we are self sufficient for decades to come." I simply listed a few of the things the Tories did. It's astonishing to me anybody would still want to support them. | |||
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"Yep Steve Baker worries me….smart and committed to righter than right free market economy….he will appeal to a lot of tories
He's truly ruthless. If we thought the last 12 years were hard on working British people, poor people, disabled people etc. He would make it look like a picnic in comparison. "A d there's the rub...I would prefer him. Not looking for a debate, it's a fact | |||
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"BEN WALLACE I have never been a supporter of the Conservatives but I do believe they are the best of a bad bunch of political parties right now. Ben Wallace is calm, level headed and has a good military background. " Too bald | |||
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"BEN WALLACE I have never been a supporter of the Conservatives but I do believe they are the best of a bad bunch of political parties right now. Ben Wallace is calm, level headed and has a good military background. Too bald " I had always been a Conservative supporter but now a believe they are definitely the worst of the bunch of political parties right now However, from a fairly limited talent pool, Ben Wallace may be the best of bad bunch. | |||
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"Yep Steve Baker worries me….smart and committed to righter than right free market economy….he will appeal to a lot of tories
He's truly ruthless. If we thought the last 12 years were hard on working British people, poor people, disabled people etc. He would make it look like a picnic in comparison.
A d there's the rub...I would prefer him. Not looking for a debate, it's a fact "Because he would be much more ruthless towards poor and disabled people? He's also anti-science. Which is not a good way to be for someone in a position of power. | |||
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"The whole thing is unbelievable. As I write these words the Prime Minister is still holed up in Downing Street. He is like some illegal settler, lasing himself to the radiator, or David Brent haunting the office in that excruciating episode where he refuses to acknowledge that he has been sacked. Isn't there someone - the Queen's Private Secretary, the nice policeman in the door of No 10 - whose job it is to tell him the game is up?" He is staying on until a replacement is elected which is quite normal actually. My dislike the Boris is not a secret however I do think we need some continuation of government. | |||
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"The whole thing is unbelievable. As I write these words the Prime Minister is still holed up in Downing Street. He is like some illegal settler, lasing himself to the radiator, or David Brent haunting the office in that excruciating episode where he refuses to acknowledge that he has been sacked. Isn't there someone - the Queen's Private Secretary, the nice policeman in the door of No 10 - whose job it is to tell him the game is up?" Is that what was written about Gordon Brown? By Boris | |||
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"The whole thing is unbelievable. As I write these words the Prime Minister is still holed up in Downing Street. He is like some illegal settler, lasing himself to the radiator, or David Brent haunting the office in that excruciating episode where he refuses to acknowledge that he has been sacked. Isn't there someone - the Queen's Private Secretary, the nice policeman in the door of No 10 - whose job it is to tell him the game is up? Is that what was written about Gordon Brown? By Boris " Pretty much. We can add hypocrisy too the list too. | |||
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"Rishi "Certainly well known and not all for the right reasons. It does seem he favours the high tax policy which the OBR advocate. I think most of the others will be saying we need to cut tax | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. " Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me! | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me!" TBF the last PM was born in America and the greatest politician of the 21 century buggered off to America as soon as his job was done irrc But we should be wary of these economic migrants born in Southampton or cynically planning to bleed us dry at the age of 11. | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me!" Why is it racist to want a leader and indeed the whole cabinet to have the interests of the UK at heart? | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start. "What are these sinister far right policies? | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me! Why is it racist to want a leader and indeed the whole cabinet to have the interests of the UK at heart? " it's interesting you think the British public have voted in people who don't have the UK's interest at heart ... And that Boris has created cabinets out of such people. Care to name and shame ? | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. " I agree it would be nice to have the next one that has a solid vested interest in the UK but would apply that criteria to all applicants, regardless of if they are immigrants or not | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. I agree it would be nice to have the next one that has a solid vested interest in the UK but would apply that criteria to all applicants, regardless of if they are immigrants or not" I think only people born in the UK should be able to stand for PM. Like the rule they have for President in the US and many other countries for their leaders. Of course that would have meant Boris could never have become PM. | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies? "Immigrants to Rwanda , | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. I agree it would be nice to have the next one that has a solid vested interest in the UK but would apply that criteria to all applicants, regardless of if they are immigrants or not I think only people born in the UK should be able to stand for PM. Like the rule they have for President in the US and many other countries for their leaders. Of course that would have meant Boris could never have become PM." Not quite how it works in the states, The president and vice president must be a natural-born citizen of the United States, at least 35 years old, and have been a resident of the United States of America for at least 14 years. What natural born means is pretty vague. And may just mean citizen from birth. Which funnily enough means Boris could move to the states and run for president in 14 years | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
Immigrants to Rwanda , "passport removal without notifying the passport holder that the passport has indeed been removed.... amongst an enormous swathe of others | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. I agree it would be nice to have the next one that has a solid vested interest in the UK but would apply that criteria to all applicants, regardless of if they are immigrants or not" Absolutely! | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me! Why is it racist to want a leader and indeed the whole cabinet to have the interests of the UK at heart? it's interesting you think the British public have voted in people who don't have the UK's interest at heart ... And that Boris has created cabinets out of such people. Care to name and shame ?" I’d start with Boris. Sunil, Patel, Javid. | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start. "Or no real ideals. Boris has no political philosophy, he’s a chancer. | |||
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"Does it really matter, everyone of them, no matter which party they belong to, are all two faced over paid lying gits, that’ll crap all over us" Unfortunately too many people believe this. and it is in my opinion reductive. Both sides are NOT the same, one side may be useless, ineffective and not doing mush for the common man and woman. But the other side is actively reducing our rights, creating a climate which increases the wage gap driving more and more into poverty while giving billions to their friends. They are not the same thing. | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so." "I think only people born in the UK should be able to stand for PM." That seems too restrictive. There are plenty of foreign born people that have settled here, and are capable of doing the job well. How about a new law saying that each new PM's wealth should be ascertained at the moment they were elected, and that they should not be able to take that wealth out of the country from that point onwards. So they can sell a house or a company, but all the profit that results can only be stored in UK banks or used to invest in UK institutions. | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me! Why is it racist to want a leader and indeed the whole cabinet to have the interests of the UK at heart? it's interesting you think the British public have voted in people who don't have the UK's interest at heart ... And that Boris has created cabinets out of such people. Care to name and shame ? I’d start with Boris. Sunil, Patel, Javid. " Maybe because your idea sounds like that old “Birther” bullshit that the Republicans tried to use against Obama in the USA to me. It also ignores the fact that many immigrants work bloody hard to get where they are whereas someone like Boris had his nose in the golden trough from birth. It doesn’t mean that they are any better as people than our home grown tories so why should it matter where they are from or is this just another example of white British exceptionalism? | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Love to know who you mean by that! Sounds vaguely racist to me! Why is it racist to want a leader and indeed the whole cabinet to have the interests of the UK at heart? it's interesting you think the British public have voted in people who don't have the UK's interest at heart ... And that Boris has created cabinets out of such people. Care to name and shame ? I’d start with Boris. Sunil, Patel, Javid. Maybe because your idea sounds like that old “Birther” bullshit that the Republicans tried to use against Obama in the USA to me. It also ignores the fact that many immigrants work bloody hard to get where they are whereas someone like Boris had his nose in the golden trough from birth. It doesn’t mean that they are any better as people than our home grown tories so why should it matter where they are from or is this just another example of white British exceptionalism?" I never got the logic that someone who is British by lottery of birth was innately more loyal or better for this country than someone who worked their ass off to get their citizenship | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies? "A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous. A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well. Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week. Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either. Theres tons there, take your pick. | |||
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"And down goes Ben Wallace…. Says he is not going to run!! That’s a surprise, but must really like being defence secretary… and I am betting whoever wins leaves him there! " someone suggested the other day he's got eyes on the NATO top job. | |||
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"And down goes Ben Wallace…. Says he is not going to run!! That’s a surprise, but must really like being defence secretary… and I am betting whoever wins leaves him there! someone suggested the other day he's got eyes on the NATO top job. " No way the french will allow a Johnson acolyte to have that job!! | |||
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"And down goes Ben Wallace…. Says he is not going to run!! " Was never gonna square the bald circle | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. " Just because Boris was born in the US made no difference to his performance as PM. Boris was always only interested in getting his dream job.....PM. Remember how long he sat on the fence over Brexit, weighing up which option presented the best / easiest opportunity for him. While he was always Eurosceptic, if he'd have thought joining the Cameron camp presented a better opportunity to bcome PM he would have taken it. As it was, the Brexit route was an easier sell & I suspect given how close the vote was, without him I don't think brexit would have happened. His political choices were always dictated by his desire to have the top job. | |||
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"And down goes Ben Wallace…. Says he is not going to run!! That’s a surprise, but must really like being defence secretary… and I am betting whoever wins leaves him there! " Very disappointed
He is the only one I would have voted for
So I may open a thread to decide who I should vote for. “Fabs choice for PM is…” . At least then it would make everyone feel as if they had contributed to the choice of the next PM
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick."When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies. It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion. | |||
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"I would like the next PM to have a solid vested interest in the UK. Not an economic migrant chancer that is here for now but would jump ship for another country or continent at the drop of a hat as and when it suits them to do so. Just because Boris was born in the US made no difference to his performance as PM. Boris was always only interested in getting his dream job.....PM. Remember how long he sat on the fence over Brexit, weighing up which option presented the best / easiest opportunity for him. While he was always Eurosceptic, if he'd have thought joining the Cameron camp presented a better opportunity to bcome PM he would have taken it. As it was, the Brexit route was an easier sell & I suspect given how close the vote was, without him I don't think brexit would have happened. His political choices were always dictated by his desire to have the top job. " I agree with your summary, and Boris was the figure head for the anti EU brigade, led by Cummings. He was promised great riches and fame, however the puppet bit the hand of the puppet master.... | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion."They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most"In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it. They have also made effective protest a crime. These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended. | |||
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"Just heard Nadim Zahawi is going to run." Nadim Zahawi Robert Mugabe gotta have a system ©Harry Hill 1997 "And Grant Shapps? Don't take the fucking piss!" Have to keep remembering that Grant Shapps is a person and not a firm of estate agents. | |||
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"Zahawi is been investigated by HMRC and has previously been investigated by the Serious Fraud Office Shapps lied about being Michael Green, and made a fortune by ripping people off on a dodgy pyramid sales scheme. These people shouldn't be in parliament let alone the cabinet abd no way should be PM" They sound like the perfect candidates for the Tory party leader | |||
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"Zahawi is been investigated by HMRC and has previously been investigated by the Serious Fraud Office Shapps lied about being Michael Green, and made a fortune by ripping people off on a dodgy pyramid sales scheme. These people shouldn't be in parliament let alone the cabinet abd no way should be PM They sound like the perfect candidates for the Tory party leader " And isn't the truth of that sentence one of the single greatest damming things about the Conservative party today? | |||
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"Zahawi is been investigated by HMRC and has previously been investigated by the Serious Fraud Office Shapps lied about being Michael Green, and made a fortune by ripping people off on a dodgy pyramid sales scheme. These people shouldn't be in parliament let alone the cabinet abd no way should be PM They sound like the perfect candidates for the Tory party leader And isn't the truth of that sentence one of the single greatest damming things about the Conservative party today?" And our media. And the electorate. Can you imagine the outrage of either of those were Labour? | |||
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"Beginning to sound like they need a decent back bencher to come forward that is not tainted and hopefully not got a cupboard full of skeletons" Would a lesser known backbencher offer a greater guarantee of reelection? I guess the question is, will they do what's best for the party, or what's best for the country. | |||
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"Beginning to sound like they need a decent back bencher to come forward that is not tainted and hopefully not got a cupboard full of skeletons Would a lesser known backbencher offer a greater guarantee of reelection? I guess the question is, will they do what's best for the party, or what's best for the country. " I would guess that depends on how they do from taking over to the GE. If they do ok I would think that they would have just as much chance as a former minister who served Boris. Not being as tainted could be the edge they need. Of course getting elected to be party leader for a person not well known will be difficult | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most
In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it.
They have also made effective protest a crime.
These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended."People voted, they ruled | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most
In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it.
They have also made effective protest a crime.
These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended.
People voted, they ruled"The majority didn't vote for them though | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most
In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it.
They have also made effective protest a crime.
These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended.
People voted, they ruled
The majority didn't vote for them though"\ They did, those that voted, voted conservative... so much so that proportional representation, if applied would still have given the tories the win. Big gains for the lib dems, greens and marginal wins for labour, losses for Conservatives, but not enough for to stop them reclaiming government. People who don't vote, who then get up and vote are the target audience for change. Understand those people and how to motivate them, is a potential game changer. | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most
In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it.
They have also made effective protest a crime.
These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended.
People voted, they ruled
The majority didn't vote for them though\
They did, those that voted, voted conservative... so much so that proportional representation, if applied would still have given the tories the win. Big gains for the lib dems, greens and marginal wins for labour, losses for Conservatives, but not enough for to stop them reclaiming government.
People who don't vote, who then get up and vote are the target audience for change.
Understand those people and how to motivate them, is a potential game changer. "didn't they get 50pc of the votes? | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most
In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it.
They have also made effective protest a crime.
These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended.
People voted, they ruled
The majority didn't vote for them though\
They did, those that voted, voted conservative... so much so that proportional representation, if applied would still have given the tories the win. Big gains for the lib dems, greens and marginal wins for labour, losses for Conservatives, but not enough for to stop them reclaiming government.
People who don't vote, who then get up and vote are the target audience for change.
Understand those people and how to motivate them, is a potential game changer. "More people voted for parties whose values are the opposing end of the spectrum than the tories. The tories got the largest single block of votes. That is not the same as a majority. More people voted for progressive left leaning candidates to the tune of approx 60% of the vote share. It was just split between 3 parties. First Past The Post screwed the country out of what the majority wanted. | |||
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes?" The Tories got approx 40% in the last election | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto " Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. | |||
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"jsut a cabinet devoid of the sinister far-right policy ideas that have held the country back for over a decade would be a good start.
What are these sinister far right policies?
A bedroom tax that throws disabled or poor people out of their homes seems particularly callous.
A "rape clause" on means tested benefits is something id definitely consider sinister as well.
Chucking folk to Rwanda has been proven to be illegal but this time last week they were still pretty hard for it. Likely it will dissappear now given the developments of this week.
Theresa Mays "hostile environment" wasn't the kind of policy that looks good on the world stage either.
Theres tons there, take your pick.
When it was mentioned as sinister and far right, I was expecting something a little different to unpopular policies.
It is very hard to communicate effectively, when emotive language is used purposefully to oversell a point of view, and let me add, that is how I see it from all sides of the political persuasion.
They're not 'unpopular policies' they're nasty and spiteful designed purely to punch down on people when they need a hand the most
In the past few years the Tories have made it possible to strip citizenship from people, if they feel like it.
They have also made effective protest a crime.
These are authoritarian and should make anyone who believes in democracy offended.
People voted, they ruled
The majority didn't vote for them though\
They did, those that voted, voted conservative... so much so that proportional representation, if applied would still have given the tories the win. Big gains for the lib dems, greens and marginal wins for labour, losses for Conservatives, but not enough for to stop them reclaiming government.
People who don't vote, who then get up and vote are the target audience for change.
Understand those people and how to motivate them, is a potential game changer.
More people voted for parties whose values are the opposing end of the spectrum than the tories.
The tories got the largest single block of votes.
That is not the same as a majority.
More people voted for progressive left leaning candidates to the tune of approx 60% of the vote share.
It was just split between 3 parties.
First Past The Post screwed the country out of what the majority wanted."You seem to miss the point of all voting, models. FPTP or proportional representation would not have stopped the tories gaining enough seats to form government at the last GE. You will never be happy unless your vote is the vote that wins, is how you come across. This is your Achilles heal. | |||
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"You seem to miss the point of all voting, models. FPTP or proportional representation would not have stopped the tories gaining enough seats to form government at the last GE. You will never be happy unless your vote is the vote that wins, is how you come across. This is your Achilles heal. " What? First past the post is literally how our elections are done. If we instituted Proportional Representation, the Tories would never hold a majority again. | |||
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes? The Tories got approx 40% in the last election" so it seems the "less than" sign doesn't get printed here ! That's key to my sentence ... | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. " how does an opposition prevent a manifesto pledge going thru. The government has the majority ... | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. " A manifesto is a public declaration of intent not 'fragile promises' | |||
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes? The Tories got approx 40% in the last electionso it seems the "less than" sign doesn't get printed here ! That's key to my sentence ..." Yes, but the whole of the voter number is split across others. The number of conservative votes was so high of those that voted (key part of the statement) that, yes they would have lost seats but only to those of less of a challenge, lib dem, greens etc. Labour would have gained 17 seats, and still not enough under proportional representation to have taken power, or formed an alliance. Brexit completion, was the driving force. Labour voters, would rather have voted conservative than allow Brexit to fail, is another way of looking at it. It seems it could be seen as cannibalism | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. A manifesto is a public declaration of intent not 'fragile promises' " How many times have you heard they have failed on their manifesto promises? It is the sales pitch, and it you are not aware of that, it worries me | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. A manifesto is a public declaration of intent not 'fragile promises' How many times have you heard they have failed on their manifesto promises? It is the sales pitch, and it you are not aware of that, it worries me" Relax yourself no need to worry So why not include the disgusting Rwanda plan in their sales pitch | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. how does an opposition prevent a manifesto pledge going thru. The government has the majority ..." The opposition doesn't need to prevent the manifesto pledges. The manifesto is nothing more than an aspiration, a view and having an opposition party oppose your ambitions and blow them out of the water, plays right into the hands of the governing party... We tried but they prevented us. | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. A manifesto is a public declaration of intent not 'fragile promises' How many times have you heard they have failed on their manifesto promises? It is the sales pitch, and it you are not aware of that, it worries me Relax yourself no need to worry So why not include the disgusting Rwanda plan in their sales pitch " I agree that I should not worry about you
The policy for Rwanda was supported by the public, as much as that is not nice to hear. You can also research this fact.
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes? The Tories got approx 40% in the last electionso it seems the "less than" sign doesn't get printed here ! That's key to my sentence ... Yes, but the whole of the voter number is split across others. The number of conservative votes was so high of those that voted (key part of the statement) that, yes they would have lost seats but only to those of less of a challenge, lib dem, greens etc. Labour would have gained 17 seats, and still not enough under proportional representation to have taken power, or formed an alliance. Brexit completion, was the driving force. Labour voters, would rather have voted conservative than allow Brexit to fail, is another way of looking at it. It seems it could be seen as cannibalism " Again they only got approx 40% of the votes that were cast. More people did not want the tories in charge than did... by a LARGE margin. That's the votes cast. And why did the Tories win, because they have been stacking the system and how the constituencies are set up to benefit them for over a decade. There is nothing "Fair" or really Democratic with how this government came to be. We have a right wing conservative government governing a progressive left wing majority. | |||
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes? The Tories got approx 40% in the last electionso it seems the "less than" sign doesn't get printed here ! That's key to my sentence ... Yes, but the whole of the voter number is split across others. The number of conservative votes was so high of those that voted (key part of the statement) that, yes they would have lost seats but only to those of less of a challenge, lib dem, greens etc. Labour would have gained 17 seats, and still not enough under proportional representation to have taken power, or formed an alliance. Brexit completion, was the driving force. Labour voters, would rather have voted conservative than allow Brexit to fail, is another way of looking at it. It seems it could be seen as cannibalism Again they only got approx 40% of the votes that were cast. More people did not want the tories in charge than did... by a LARGE margin. That's the votes cast. And why did the Tories win, because they have been stacking the system and how the constituencies are set up to benefit them for over a decade. There is nothing "Fair" or really Democratic with how this government came to be. We have a right wing conservative government governing a progressive left wing majority." You are very wrong. | |||
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes? The Tories got approx 40% in the last electionso it seems the "less than" sign doesn't get printed here ! That's key to my sentence ... Yes, but the whole of the voter number is split across others. The number of conservative votes was so high of those that voted (key part of the statement) that, yes they would have lost seats but only to those of less of a challenge, lib dem, greens etc. Labour would have gained 17 seats, and still not enough under proportional representation to have taken power, or formed an alliance. Brexit completion, was the driving force. Labour voters, would rather have voted conservative than allow Brexit to fail, is another way of looking at it. It seems it could be seen as cannibalism Again they only got approx 40% of the votes that were cast. More people did not want the tories in charge than did... by a LARGE margin. That's the votes cast. And why did the Tories win, because they have been stacking the system and how the constituencies are set up to benefit them for over a decade. There is nothing "Fair" or really Democratic with how this government came to be. We have a right wing conservative government governing a progressive left wing majority. You are very wrong. " I'm really not | |||
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"Beginning to sound like they need a decent back bencher to come forward that is not tainted and hopefully not got a cupboard full of skeletons Would a lesser known backbencher offer a greater guarantee of reelection? I guess the question is, will they do what's best for the party, or what's best for the country. " Their own personal gain first. Party Second. Country third - if that. And by country, I mean England - primarily, the South of it - as, indeed, do they. They will all talk a lot of shit about patriotism and how they will work for the whole UK - but they really won't. They do not give a fuck about the people of Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland (not even the ones that vote Tory); and they haven't for over 40 years. As far as Scotland goes - and I've said this before, because it's true - as long as there is a Tory Government in Westminster, there will be an SNP Government in Holyrood. The SNP really aren't very good - but they're the only thing preventing the Tories from harming our poorest people with the same impunity they do down South. Anyway, whoever gets the PM gig - they won't reunite the UK. They can't. | |||
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"Zahawi is been investigated by HMRC and has previously been investigated by the Serious Fraud Office Shapps lied about being Michael Green, and made a fortune by ripping people off on a dodgy pyramid sales scheme. These people shouldn't be in parliament let alone the cabinet abd no way should be PM" So, Zahawi is even more of a c*nt than I thought. Hopefully, his "Ayatollah in a suit" look won't do him any favours either. Evil, certainly. Genius? Debatable. | |||
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"Best we can hope for is someone who doesn't fight culture wars and will quietly drop things like the Rwanda flights and messing around with human rights. Which I guess on the face of it is probably Maudant, but who knows. Any of them will do/say whatever it takes. " Oh, she's come out today to attack trans people so she's actually fully ready to fight culture wars. Predictable. | |||
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"didn't they get 50pc of the votes? The Tories got approx 40% in the last electionso it seems the "less than" sign doesn't get printed here ! That's key to my sentence ... Yes, but the whole of the voter number is split across others. The number of conservative votes was so high of those that voted (key part of the statement) that, yes they would have lost seats but only to those of less of a challenge, lib dem, greens etc. Labour would have gained 17 seats, and still not enough under proportional representation to have taken power, or formed an alliance. Brexit completion, was the driving force. Labour voters, would rather have voted conservative than allow Brexit to fail, is another way of looking at it. It seems it could be seen as cannibalism Again they only got approx 40% of the votes that were cast. More people did not want the tories in charge than did... by a LARGE margin. That's the votes cast. And why did the Tories win, because they have been stacking the system and how the constituencies are set up to benefit them for over a decade. There is nothing "Fair" or really Democratic with how this government came to be. We have a right wing conservative government governing a progressive left wing majority." I understand your frustration at not having PR and personally would not be against the UK adopting it. However I fear that change is not going to happen any time soon. Labour are the only party in a position to beat the Tories and I have not heard them even mention PR. Indeed when they won 3 terms on the bounce it was still not implemented. Unfortunately to change it, you need to first win using the current system and gain power. | |||
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"Don't remember the Rwanda plan being in any manifesto Manifesto = fragile promises.. and when challenged on success, it is easily deflected as aspiration with a 1000 examples of why it could not be achieved due to opposition. A manifesto, is the war cry, not the intent. how does an opposition prevent a manifesto pledge going thru. The government has the majority ... The opposition doesn't need to prevent the manifesto pledges. The manifesto is nothing more than an aspiration, a view and having an opposition party oppose your ambitions and blow them out of the water, plays right into the hands of the governing party... We tried but they prevented us. " how did they prevent you ? I'm missing something here, but with the majority, they are toothless. Unkess you mean shine a light in it being unworkable. But even then, that's not the opposition preventing you. | |||
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If we are to have a Tory leader then please let’s have someone with a brain that works. No more lies or being economical with the truth.
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"I’ve been watching a few of the candidates on the bbc this morning and I’m very underwhelmed . Tax cuts to be popular but not much in the way of helping the economy other than that. Very few real suggestions. Devoid of ideas. I would prefer a non rabid Brexiteer who can see we need to do a better deal with the EU and admit the new deals around the world are shit. No not another referendum just a better approach. Also definitely none of the Boris enablers. They are totally as guilty as him with the blatant lies to support him and therefore themselves . Purge please
If we are to have a Tory leader then please let’s have someone with a brain that works. No more lies or being economical with the truth.
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"All that would be nice. I am skeptical that they will prioritise the needs of the country over the needs of the party." it's quite clear that further tax handouts to their overseas chums will do little to reduce the rampant hyper-inflation which we are now experiencing at a domsetic level in this country. | |||
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"Mordaunt has joined the race, and has had to assure the rest of the party that she isn't woke to do it. Absolute state of the Conservative party if you have to assure them you're not against racism to be in the running for being leader. " Indeed. But Brexit, Union Flag, the Empire wasn't that bad, swimsuit. I've said it before - NONE of the people who enabled Boris should be able to take his place as PM. As it is, the whole leadership race is going to be the shittest series of The Apprentice, ever ... because the winner will do real harm to the majority of the people of the UK who don't - for very good reason - vote Tory. | |||
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"Mordaunt has joined the race, and has had to assure the rest of the party that she isn't woke to do it. " For those that haven't seen it here's her promo video in full https://youtu.be/T72TopWbXJg | |||
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"Mordaunt has joined the race, and has had to assure the rest of the party that she isn't woke to do it. For those that haven't seen it here's her promo video in full https://youtu.be/T72TopWbXJg only interested if its a porno video " | |||
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"penny mordaunt furiously back-peddling on her perceived wokery by her peers will be highly entertaining "I'll ignore the "wokery" as a pejorative. Nothing the Tories has done has been truly woke. But she has shot herself in the foot. The one group she could have had on side in the leadership bid that would have gone with her and no-one else was the LGBTQIA+, now she has betrayed them. And those who hated her for being pro LGBTQIA+ wont believe she isn't lying now. | |||
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" But she has shot herself in the foot. The one group she could have had on side in the leadership bid that would have gone with her and no-one else was the LGBTQIA+, now she has betrayed them. " Shapps can't exactly come out strongly against people changing identities either | |||
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" But she has shot herself in the foot. The one group she could have had on side in the leadership bid that would have gone with her and no-one else was the LGBTQIA+, now she has betrayed them. Shapps can't exactly come out strongly against people changing identities either " Yeah Schapp is the only one so far to not jump on the hate parade instead trying to dismiss the argument as being not important. | |||
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"Starting to look like the opening salvo for the PM race is who can be the most transphobic." Gotta appeal to the grass roots.. Sadly.. | |||
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"Starting to look like the opening salvo for the PM race is who can be the most transphobic. Gotta appeal to the grass roots.. Sadly.." Is that why Jeremy Hunt has chosen Esther McVey as his running mate? Some might say, though he's the only one who never propped Boris up and made excuses for him, that shows the sort of judgement that makes you unfit to govern. | |||
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"Give basil brush the job "You know I wouldn't complain about that one! | |||
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"Is it a big deal if the next PM is a non dom tax status holder? Given the financial mess were in? I say yes it fuckin well is." Which candidate is non dom ? | |||
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""Well, I invaded a country once." Tom Tugendhat when asked by Sky News about the 'naughtiest thing' he'd ever done. That's the kind of person that's needed as a leader. "Why? | |||
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"I mean is there a single Tory that actually deserves the job?" William Wragg | |||
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"I mean is there a single Tory that actually deserves the job? William Wragg " He's marginally less horrendous. Still got a pretty awful voting record. | |||
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"I mean is there a single Tory that actually deserves the job? William Wragg He's marginally less horrendous. Still got a pretty awful voting record." Yep, my local MP, I would never vote for him but I did enjoy his questioning of Boris at the liason committee | |||
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"Tory party leadership election like trying to choose your favourite moors murderer " It’s fun to watch them snipe and back stab each other, | |||
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"And the basket case too now.. "Imagine being Priti Patel and having no idea how much people hate Priti Patel | |||
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"And the basket case too now..
Imagine being Priti Patel and having no idea how much people hate Priti Patel "True.. Saw Rees Mogg and mad Nadine endorsement of Truss, a charming pair if ever there was one.. | |||
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"And the basket case too now..
Imagine being Priti Patel and having no idea how much people hate Priti Patel
True..
Saw Rees Mogg and mad Nadine endorsement of Truss, a charming pair if ever there was one.."Imagine Liz Truss becoming PM, it would be hilarious | |||
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"And the basket case too now..
Imagine being Priti Patel and having no idea how much people hate Priti Patel
True..
Saw Rees Mogg and mad Nadine endorsement of Truss, a charming pair if ever there was one..
Imagine Liz Truss becoming PM, it would be hilarious "With all the diplomatic prowess of a fart in a crowded lift | |||
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"And the basket case too now..
Imagine being Priti Patel and having no idea how much people hate Priti Patel
True..
Saw Rees Mogg and mad Nadine endorsement of Truss, a charming pair if ever there was one..
Imagine Liz Truss becoming PM, it would be hilarious
With all the diplomatic prowess of a fart in a crowded lift"Your being too kind, | |||
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"Tory party leadership election like trying to choose your favourite moors murderer It’s fun to watch them snipe and back stab each other, " Is it? The bottom line, with all this, is that about 0.23% of the population of the UK - the same population that well over 50% of, did not vote Tory in the 2019 GE - are going to decide who is the next PM. These are the same 0.23% who, when they last had the choice, put an absolute cunt, completely unfit to govern, in place. That's highly likely to happen again. Yes, Boris won an election; on one single issue, against the least electable Labour leader possible - and the fact that FPTP means the UK isn't a real democracy - gave his party a large majority. Trust me, any short term amusement will evaporate once this is done and dusted. After all, the possibility exists that Liz Truss will get the gig. There's absolutely nothing funny about that. | |||
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"And the basket case too now..
Imagine being Priti Patel and having no idea how much people hate Priti Patel
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Saw Rees Mogg and mad Nadine endorsement of Truss, a charming pair if ever there was one..
Imagine Liz Truss becoming PM, it would be hilarious "No. It fucking wouldn't. | |||
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