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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
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In which case you don't need to go on about it?  |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it? "
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
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I remember the song well.
Men at work. Instead of the land down under. He had a hand down under.  |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do. "
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt! |
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"Just to be clear, the incident did not happen at work.
It was at the private members club, The Carlton, in Picadilly.
Pincher is building up a rather sordid history of these incidents."
Given his history of twice now being caught sexually assaulting other men, he needs some sort of treatment..
Boris clearly doesn't want another scandal of suspended Tory sex pest MP, the palace of Westminster is not a private club it's the workplace for many..
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do.
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt!"
There you go. Doesn't matter what the Tories do. How much sleaze goes on. Their voters are loyal.
Time and time again people get hopeful that the latest scandal will be the end of the Tory reign and the start of something new and more hopeful. But it never happens.
Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE. |
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"Just to be clear, the incident did not happen at work.
It was at the private members club, The Carlton, in Picadilly.
Pincher is building up a rather sordid history of these incidents."
Don't know why you bothered to correct it.
Certain people will take no notice! |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do.
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt!
There you go. Doesn't matter what the Tories do. How much sleaze goes on. Their voters are loyal.
Time and time again people get hopeful that the latest scandal will be the end of the Tory reign and the start of something new and more hopeful. But it never happens.
Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE."
Who Said I vote Tory???
The point i was making is one as bad as the other. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do.
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt!
There you go. Doesn't matter what the Tories do. How much sleaze goes on. Their voters are loyal.
Time and time again people get hopeful that the latest scandal will be the end of the Tory reign and the start of something new and more hopeful. But it never happens.
Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Who Said I vote Tory???
The point i was making is one as bad as the other."
are you saying power corrupts ... Because ATM I'm not seeing labour being AS bad as the current Tory contingent.
And for me I'm not just talking about their individual behaviour, but the culture and leadership.
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do.
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt!
There you go. Doesn't matter what the Tories do. How much sleaze goes on. Their voters are loyal.
Time and time again people get hopeful that the latest scandal will be the end of the Tory reign and the start of something new and more hopeful. But it never happens.
Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Who Said I vote Tory???
The point i was making is one as bad as the other.are you saying power corrupts ... Because ATM I'm not seeing labour being AS bad as the current Tory contingent.
And for me I'm not just talking about their individual behaviour, but the culture and leadership.
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I don't see any leadership,it seems to be everyman and woman for themselves.
It reminds me of football at school where everyone was just rushing around chasing the ball trying to get all the glory and no-one willing to pass to anyone else no teamwork whatsoever, with Boris playing the role of the spoilt kid who is always team captain and always picks his mates who he knows will always give him the ball. |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do.
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt!
There you go. Doesn't matter what the Tories do. How much sleaze goes on. Their voters are loyal.
Time and time again people get hopeful that the latest scandal will be the end of the Tory reign and the start of something new and more hopeful. But it never happens.
Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Who Said I vote Tory???
The point i was making is one as bad as the other."
Exactly. People believe that and continue voting for guaranteed sleaze, corruption, incompetence etc. Because the media convinced them that's the best they'll get. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE."
Don't start giving Boris ideas  |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas "
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government."
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case "
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above. |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above."
All parties claim to be representing those things.
But yeah, of course some people change their minds. The diehard Tories on here are especially loyal. And it's not like Boris has been a suprise as PM. We knew what he was like.
And there are people who vote for their party regardless. Of course. The Tories are in power most of the time, so it's okay to focus on them. But I get the point that people who vote for their party regardless, as all equally unhelpful for the democratic process. Simply because they aren't putting any pressure on the parties to stick to their promises. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
In which case you don't need to go on about it?
Oh but I must, oh but I do.
To play devils advocate.
And then what?
Tories out and theeeennnn....??
Just another shit show to rip us off and lie to us no doubt!
There you go. Doesn't matter what the Tories do. How much sleaze goes on. Their voters are loyal.
Time and time again people get hopeful that the latest scandal will be the end of the Tory reign and the start of something new and more hopeful. But it never happens.
Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Who Said I vote Tory???
The point i was making is one as bad as the other."
When I see the argument “they’re all the same” it means those who don’t want you to vote have won. They have brow beaten you so hard and many others into thinking that you are powerless, that you cannot influence decisions.
But it’s a lie, your vote matters, and elected officials are terrified of being voted out.
So the power is in your hands, to see the change and be the change. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government."
You know why?, it’s because those individuals are deeply flawed individuals themselves, they accept the behaviour because they are no better in real life. It tells a lot when they can forgive anything. Perhaps in their lives they have committed some of these acts themselves, perhaps they normalise the behaviour because they have been party to that behaviour themselves?
Truly a person who is a diehard tory, must have committed some criminal act in the past. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above."
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them"
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us."
Firstly you have to rid yourself of a government that definitely doesn’t do anything for you and in fact makes your life worse. |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us.
Firstly you have to rid yourself of a government that definitely doesn’t do anything for you and in fact makes your life worse. "
Completely agree.
But we're in the minority. |
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"Just to be clear, the incident did not happen at work.
It was at the private members club, The Carlton, in Picadilly.
Pincher is building up a rather sordid history of these incidents."
As Johnson said “Pincher by name. Pincher by nature!”
And there’s another Tory MP arrested for suspected r4pe but on bail since May ….. another by election in the wings |
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By *6travellerMan
over a year ago
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Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. "
quick question how does the govt defund the RNLI for doing its job ? It's a charity paid for by donations donations that actualy went up after the last rant from UKIP and other right wingers
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. quick question how does the govt defund the RNLI for doing its job ? It's a charity paid for by donations donations that actualy went up after the last rant from UKIP and other right wingers "
it could make picking up non Brits illegal, as it almost did (unintendedly one hopes)
Amazing rant btw. You don't want"unelected judges" stopping a government acting unlawfully, because we can change at the next election... And then say we need a dictator!
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. quick question how does the govt defund the RNLI for doing its job ? It's a charity paid for by donations donations that actualy went up after the last rant from UKIP and other right wingers it could make picking up non Brits illegal, as it almost did (unintendedly one hopes)
Amazing rant btw. You don't want"unelected judges" stopping a government acting unlawfully, because we can change at the next election... And then say we need a dictator!
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over a year ago
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. quick question how does the govt defund the RNLI for doing its job ? It's a charity paid for by donations donations that actualy went up after the last rant from UKIP and other right wingers it could make picking up non Brits illegal, as it almost did (unintendedly one hopes)
Amazing rant btw. You don't want"unelected judges" stopping a government acting unlawfully, because we can change at the next election... And then say we need a dictator!
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us."
A government that works for all is the holy grail but so far it's often the same old stuff wearing a different tie. Unfortunately at the election there is not a 'get the government out and I will get back to you on the replacement option' so a choice has to be made. |
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Or, the country is going to the dogs because so many people are this confused and have this much misdirected anger.
Not sure why you're blaming people who don't want the planet to burn and want non-racists to "grow up". But your post is a good example of the absolute state of this country at the moment. |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us.
A government that works for all is the holy grail but so far it's often the same old stuff wearing a different tie. Unfortunately at the election there is not a 'get the government out and I will get back to you on the replacement option' so a choice has to be made. "
Definitely, none of the options offer any meaningful change. The system exists to keep those at the top on power, and the rest of use voting for them and arguing amongst ourselves. |
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Meaningful change takes long-term planning and vision. Our current system does not promote that at all all. Who is thinking about where the NHS or state pension or infrastructure needs to be in 50 years? Will any of these policies be politically acceptable to the electorate?
The long-term care crisis has been kicked down the road for many many years now. Yet when may started talking about is, she was crucified, possibly becausebhee approach wasnt great (I forget). But the issue remains.
Instead we get hung up with distractions like brexit, or look at things like refugees, make them bigger than they are, and then seek short term fixes. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us.
Firstly you have to rid yourself of a government that definitely doesn’t do anything for you and in fact makes your life worse.
Completely agree.
But we're in the minority."
Fewer people voted for Boris than for alternatives.
PR would make everyone’s vote count so your views would get a voice. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Meaningful change takes long-term planning and vision. Our current system does not promote that at all all. Who is thinking about where the NHS or state pension or infrastructure needs to be in 50 years? Will any of these policies be politically acceptable to the electorate?
The long-term care crisis has been kicked down the road for many many years now. Yet when may started talking about is, she was crucified, possibly becausebhee approach wasnt great (I forget). But the issue remains.
Instead we get hung up with distractions like brexit, or look at things like refugees, make them bigger than they are, and then seek short term fixes. "
M12 years of this government and all we do is go backwards. 13 years ago they claimed to have a plan and make things better. When exactly? |
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Boris and Co could break into these people's houses, smash the place up, shit on their floor and still count on their vote at the next GE.
Don't start giving Boris ideas
Lol
They'd still vote for him. The main thing I've learned from this forum, is that people who vote Tory just don't care what their party does and says. They are so loyal, that they attack anyone who doesn't want a self serving, corrupt, lying, sleazy, government.
Although that may be true about some that have voted Tory I don't think it's true about all that have voted Tory. I don't think it's even true of the majority that have voted Tory. Some will always vote Tory regardless and some will always vote Labour regardless so in my opinion it's not specific to one party. The by elections have shown that apart from the die hards mentioned, people will change their vote to reflect their disapproval. I think like myself there are many voters who are looking at other parties and trying to work out what they stand for and the direction they want the country to go. It's up to those parties to make the best case
Well said I agree.
Staunch labour fan's will stand by their party same as Tory's.
The thing is with politics if you disagree with someone they automatically assume that you are in favour of everything they hate.
Truth is I have chosen to not vote for any of the parties in the last few years as non of them represent the people who they claim to be there for.
Non fulfill their promises and only appear to be self serving egotistical liar's.
So until a party and leader comes up with the values and ideals that I believe in ( trust,honesty, family, compassion, reliability and common sense)
I will keep choosing non of the above.
At the moment the opposition parties are not appealing though there is still time. If not I will see if there are any decent independents running in my area at the time of the GE. I don't want to just hear condemnation of Tory changes but commitments to reverse them
I hear this.
Labour and Lib Dems don't offer anything that I find interesting. I think they would be less damaging and self serving in power. But I also think that's not good enough, the country deserves a government that will work for all of us.
Firstly you have to rid yourself of a government that definitely doesn’t do anything for you and in fact makes your life worse.
Completely agree.
But we're in the minority.
Fewer people voted for Boris than for alternatives.
PR would make everyone’s vote count so your views would get a voice. "
It would, but the probably of the Tories changing the system that near on guarantees their perpetual reign = zero. |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
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Oh dear his I only fkkd you and married bred with you Boris to be your handler wife won't at all be pleased oops hahaha mildly worrying as Putin's lost his mind with a lot of nukes |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
Oh dear his I only fkkd you and married bred with you Boris to be your handler wife won't at all be pleased oops hahaha mildly worrying as Putin's lost his mind with a lot of nukes"
Good point. Well made.
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. "
You mean someone with a dickntwotatas? |
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. "
Poor wittle snowflake. |
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Some say the mps are just the PR and HR dept of private UK PLC
'We're not incontrol' Robin Cook
'we went into Iraq because I thought 'it was the right thing to do'
T BLiar
I stop voting years ago. Because of that wanker Iain Duncan smith the poor vulnerable are been fucked over with 30% sanctions and debt deductions when previously they could only take 20 off you a month
I don't care!...
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. "
So is it an online subscription to the Daily Mail, or do you still have it delivered? |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
Oh dear his I only fkkd you and married bred with you Boris to be your handler wife won't at all be pleased oops hahaha mildly worrying as Putin's lost his mind with a lot of nukes"
Gosh. Not sure what else to say to that. |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
Oh dear his I only fkkd you and married bred with you Boris to be your handler wife won't at all be pleased oops hahaha mildly worrying as Putin's lost his mind with a lot of nukes
Gosh. Not sure what else to say to that."
It is certainly an interesting contribution from the self titled Mr Jizzalot |
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years.
So is it an online subscription to the Daily Mail, or do you still have it delivered?"
Or copy and paste job from Stormfront? |
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. "
Wow….there’s a level of delusional thought going on here that is just staggering to behold
Would you really be happier with death squads going around removing people you don’t like? It is what dictators love to do isn’t it! Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, to name just a few. Is that what you want? |
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years.
Wow….there’s a level of delusional thought going on here that is just staggering to behold
Would you really be happier with death squads going around removing people you don’t like? It is what dictators love to do isn’t it! Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, to name just a few. Is that what you want? "
As long as its not him being picked up, probably does. |
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years.
Wow….there’s a level of delusional thought going on here that is just staggering to behold
Would you really be happier with death squads going around removing people you don’t like? It is what dictators love to do isn’t it! Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, to name just a few. Is that what you want?
As long as its not him being picked up, probably does."
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"Boris has done sort of ok with Covid and Ukraine, but needs to fix the rip off fuel and energy prices. Oil was more expensive per barrel in 2008 than now. Immigration/emigration is fine but illegal economic migrants have to be stopped. Stop the daily ‘rescue’ shuttle service, defund the RNLI charity trafficking organisation. Yeats ago the laws should have been changed, unelected so called judges changing democratic governments is wrong. If governments are wrong then they are voted out at the next election. The UK is going to the dogs because frankly no one has the balls to tell the greens to shove it, the snowflakes to piss off, the woke to grow up. I don’t care what someone sexual preference is - just stop bloody well shouting about it. We need a dictator that puts the UK health and wellbeing before everything for a few years. "
Oh dear, early signs of dementia are usually when people get to a certain age start ranting and making no sense.
Truly you should get checked out it could be something serious. It might be Vascular Dementia. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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I can understand political party loyalty to some extent, though question that when policy starts to deviate from accepted norms for said party.
I can also understand people having very negatives views of other parties and their leaders, if they have policies that really do not align with your own world view.
But blind loyalty and an inability to criticise your party/leader of (normal) choice is plain bonkers.
If someone wears the right colour tie but are clearly shit at the job then surely the tie colour doesn’t/shouldn’t matter?
I am a centrist because I honestly believe compromise is good, provides checks and balances and that there are aspects of both socialism and capitalism that are good and bad meaning a hybrid is for the best overall.
My natural home should be the Lib Dems but they tend to be toothless and insipid.
An SKS led Labour being centre left should work but I find him a bit tricksy and hard to pin down (I want more decisiveness not political gamesmanship).
But the Johnson led Conservatives are proving to be an utter shambles and embarrassing. They are lurching from one crisis to the next and the smell of corruption is now an utter stench. How can ANYONE, even a true blue Tory, continue to support this utter shower? Indeed some on here will continue to defend him/them tooth and nail!
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The problem with the Tory party is that they know he is a terrible leader and everyone has been outright lying to cover up for him. The fish rots from the head. Even the ethics advisor left. I’ve never felt outrage before as I’ve done with this leadership, I can’t even be around Tory supporters anymore as it goes against everything I believe in as a human that tries to maintain some morals.
Boris is the definition of toxic. |
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"Meaningful change takes long-term planning and vision. Our current system does not promote that at all all. Who is thinking about where the NHS or state pension or infrastructure needs to be in 50 years? Will any of these policies be politically acceptable to the electorate?
The long-term care crisis has been kicked down the road for many many years now. Yet when may started talking about is, she was crucified, possibly becausebhee approach wasnt great (I forget). But the issue remains.
Instead we get hung up with distractions like brexit, or look at things like refugees, make them bigger than they are, and then seek short term fixes. "
Er it’s literally the job of the civil service to look at long term. Business cases for infrastructure are 69 year cases. It’s whether the politician in power that wants to invest in it. Most of the time they don’t which is why it’s a shit show. They throw money at marginal seats. Aka levelling up (which, by the way no one knows what that is), let’s appeal to the poor people whilst delivering nothing. |
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over a year ago
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"Meaningful change takes long-term planning and vision. Our current system does not promote that at all all. Who is thinking about where the NHS or state pension or infrastructure needs to be in 50 years? Will any of these policies be politically acceptable to the electorate?
The long-term care crisis has been kicked down the road for many many years now. Yet when may started talking about is, she was crucified, possibly becausebhee approach wasnt great (I forget). But the issue remains.
Instead we get hung up with distractions like brexit, or look at things like refugees, make them bigger than they are, and then seek short term fixes.
Er it’s literally the job of the civil service to look at long term. Business cases for infrastructure are 69 year cases. It’s whether the politician in power that wants to invest in it. Most of the time they don’t which is why it’s a shit show. They throw money at marginal seats. Aka levelling up (which, by the way no one knows what that is), let’s appeal to the poor people whilst delivering nothing. "
The Civil Service can only advise Ministers and provide detailed options analysis on proposals and policy changes. Ultimately the decision making is the responsibility of the Executive and they often overrule the Civil Service and push through short-term strategies that benefit the Minister and Government.
The Civil Service are often accused of being risk averse and lacking in vision. This criticism is usually from Ministers who are faced with due diligence and risk appraisals from the CS (ie their job) that are inarguable and show that the proposed policy won’t work or will have a detrimental impact on the UK as a whole or certain groups within the UK. Ministers hate that!
So yes the Civil Service tries to look at the longterm impacts of policy making but are led by politicians with an attention span and focus of no more than the next general election (and often even less). |
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"Looks like another sleaze story, Deputy chief whip resigns after groping men at work.
I am getting the impression that we don’t need to sack The Slob, his foundations are crumbling faster and faster around him, he will fall hard.
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Crumbling as predicted. |
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