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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What now for Mr Johnson
Sure he will claim it as a victory
It is a victory. He won.
He didn't win massively so others will see it as a loss.
He's still teflon. There's no suitable challenger."
Shallow victory
Theresa May John Major and Margret Thatcher all won confidence votes with much better numbers and they all resigned within a few months.
Agree he won’t resign he is too pig headed and thinks he’s indestructible. And there are others who could do a better job. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Basically there’s currently more MPs I would guess that don’t want Boris as the PM than do and like just over 40% of his own party don’t want him to be.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So what's the alternative? Hard to see a credible successor just now. Better the devil you know eh?"
Ben Wallace for me
He is a confident successful man who would take politics away from sleeze |
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"What now for Mr Johnson
Sure he will claim it as a victory
It is a victory. He won.
He didn't win massively so others will see it as a loss.
He's still teflon. There's no suitable challenger.
Shallow victory
Theresa May John Major and Margret Thatcher all won confidence votes with much better numbers and they all resigned within a few months.
Agree he won’t resign he is too pig headed and thinks he’s indestructible. And there are others who could do a better job. "
Shallow but still a victory
And neither of those two had as big a majority in the house. A few rebels voting against party lines and their position were untenable.
Without a solid contender or an upcoming general election he's going no where. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"What now for Mr Johnson
Sure he will claim it as a victory
It is a victory. He won.
He didn't win massively so others will see it as a loss.
He's still teflon. There's no suitable challenger.
Shallow victory
Theresa May John Major and Margret Thatcher all won confidence votes with much better numbers and they all resigned within a few months.
Agree he won’t resign he is too pig headed and thinks he’s indestructible. And there are others who could do a better job.
Shallow but still a victory
And neither of those two had as big a majority in the house. A few rebels voting against party lines and their position were untenable.
Without a solid contender or an upcoming general election he's going no where."
The thing is, even if you are a true blue ardent Tory supporter, surely you can now see what a liability Johnson is AND what a very sad indictment of the Conservative party that they do not believe they have any credible replacements (or are those who are capable keeping powder dry?) |
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"What now for Mr Johnson
Sure he will claim it as a victory
It is a victory. He won.
He didn't win massively so others will see it as a loss.
He's still teflon. There's no suitable challenger.
Shallow victory
Theresa May John Major and Margret Thatcher all won confidence votes with much better numbers and they all resigned within a few months.
Agree he won’t resign he is too pig headed and thinks he’s indestructible. And there are others who could do a better job.
Shallow but still a victory
And neither of those two had as big a majority in the house. A few rebels voting against party lines and their position were untenable.
Without a solid contender or an upcoming general election he's going no where.
The thing is, even if you are a true blue ardent Tory supporter, surely you can now see what a liability Johnson is AND what a very sad indictment of the Conservative party that they do not believe they have any credible replacements (or are those who are capable keeping powder dry?)"
But they will also see the majority they have and an opposition with an equally weak leader.
Both sides are shambles. |
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The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"What now for Mr Johnson
Sure he will claim it as a victory
It is a victory. He won.
He didn't win massively so others will see it as a loss.
He's still teflon. There's no suitable challenger.
Shallow victory
Theresa May John Major and Margret Thatcher all won confidence votes with much better numbers and they all resigned within a few months.
Agree he won’t resign he is too pig headed and thinks he’s indestructible. And there are others who could do a better job.
Shallow but still a victory
And neither of those two had as big a majority in the house. A few rebels voting against party lines and their position were untenable.
Without a solid contender or an upcoming general election he's going no where.
The thing is, even if you are a true blue ardent Tory supporter, surely you can now see what a liability Johnson is AND what a very sad indictment of the Conservative party that they do not believe they have any credible replacements (or are those who are capable keeping powder dry?)
But they will also see the majority they have and an opposition with an equally weak leader.
Both sides are shambles."
I’m no Starmer supporter but looking at Boris, Starmer would be so much better for the country.
We need telling the truth more than ever and at least he’s got that nailed. He openly said his own party was a mess and needed reform. His problem is they still include a minority of left wing nutters just as bad as the right wing nutters who have infiltrated the Tory party.
The extreme right want to keep the money and everyone else in line and just above poverty.
The left want to take all the money and share it out evenly regardless of need or whether someone is deserving.
Most of us want a fair crack of the whip with the wealth shared about a little more fairly if you work and those in most deserving need helped out.
It’s not revolution anyone wants they just want a better lifestyle for themselves and their children. Basically a grown up honestly elected government with a long term plan.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The problem in this day and age. Because of the PMs question time, 24 hour news channels, social media.
The public perception of what makes a good PM is a outgoing flamboyant personalty. When it's actually not. A good PM would be one that got on with the job of running the country, bringing people of different political views closer. Hardly in headlines about things other than policies. I think there are probably a few people who could do this, but because the media and the general public are fixated with personalty, we never hear of them. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The problem in this day and age. Because of the PMs question time, 24 hour news channels, social media.
The public perception of what makes a good PM is a outgoing flamboyant personalty. When it's actually not. A good PM would be one that got on with the job of running the country, bringing people of different political views closer. Hardly in headlines about things other than policies. I think there are probably a few people who could do this, but because the media and the general public are fixated with personalty, we never hear of them."
This in spades  |
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"What now for Mr Johnson
Sure he will claim it as a victory
It is a victory. He won.
He didn't win massively so others will see it as a loss.
He's still teflon. There's no suitable challenger.
Shallow victory
Theresa May John Major and Margret Thatcher all won confidence votes with much better numbers and they all resigned within a few months.
Agree he won’t resign he is too pig headed and thinks he’s indestructible. And there are others who could do a better job.
Shallow but still a victory
And neither of those two had as big a majority in the house. A few rebels voting against party lines and their position were untenable.
Without a solid contender or an upcoming general election he's going no where.
The thing is, even if you are a true blue ardent Tory supporter, surely you can now see what a liability Johnson is AND what a very sad indictment of the Conservative party that they do not believe they have any credible replacements (or are those who are capable keeping powder dry?)
But they will also see the majority they have and an opposition with an equally weak leader.
Both sides are shambles.
I’m no Starmer supporter but looking at Boris, Starmer would be so much better for the country.
We need telling the truth more than ever and at least he’s got that nailed. He openly said his own party was a mess and needed reform. His problem is they still include a minority of left wing nutters just as bad as the right wing nutters who have infiltrated the Tory party.
The extreme right want to keep the money and everyone else in line and just above poverty.
The left want to take all the money and share it out evenly regardless of need or whether someone is deserving.
Most of us want a fair crack of the whip with the wealth shared about a little more fairly if you work and those in most deserving need helped out.
It’s not revolution anyone wants they just want a better lifestyle for themselves and their children. Basically a grown up honestly elected government with a long term plan.
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spot on there jackal couldn’t agree more |
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"The problem in this day and age. Because of the PMs question time, 24 hour news channels, social media.
The public perception of what makes a good PM is a outgoing flamboyant personalty. When it's actually not. A good PM would be one that got on with the job of running the country, bringing people of different political views closer. Hardly in headlines about things other than policies. I think there are probably a few people who could do this, but because the media and the general public are fixated with personalty, we never hear of them."
Perhaps we can get Angela Merkel to come over as a paid consultant ? |
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"The problem in this day and age. Because of the PMs question time, 24 hour news channels, social media.
The public perception of what makes a good PM is a outgoing flamboyant personalty. When it's actually not. A good PM would be one that got on with the job of running the country, bringing people of different political views closer. Hardly in headlines about things other than policies. I think there are probably a few people who could do this, but because the media and the general public are fixated with personalty, we never hear of them.
Perhaps we can get Angela Merkel to come over as a paid consultant ?"
not a bad idea lol |
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"The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment. "
He'll win the next GE no worries. People will just keep voting Tory regardless.
All this will be long forgotten in two years time. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment.
He'll win the next GE no worries. People will just keep voting Tory regardless.
All this will be long forgotten in two years time."
I’m not so sure for two reasons .
1. His detractors are emboldened by the vote last night.
2. He is now seen as actually incapable of taking the country forward.
He’s a one truck pony where he used slogans to get Brexit.
Slogans don’t address the mess we are in. It’s serious government we need not a flawed celebrity. |
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"The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment.
He'll win the next GE no worries. People will just keep voting Tory regardless.
All this will be long forgotten in two years time."
isn’t it the job of labour to stop that tho |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment.
He'll win the next GE no worries. People will just keep voting Tory regardless.
All this will be long forgotten in two years time.isn’t it the job of labour to stop that tho "
Labour can support or introduce a vote in the house of commons of no confidence in Boris where all mp's get to vote on him |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"They are not a faction that has been seen off, or an alternative policy direction that has been defeated. They represent instead a widespread feeling, a collapse of faith, that almost certainly cannot be repaired or reversed." William Hague
“Remove the “payroll” vote - and look at the free vote from backbenchers. Almost 75% of all Tory MPs not dependent on his patronage voted against him. This is the end for Boris Johnson. The only question is how long the agony is prolonged.” Rory Stewart
Both proper Tories, not like these UKIP lite mob currently sitting in the Cabinet.
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"The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment.
He'll win the next GE no worries. People will just keep voting Tory regardless.
All this will be long forgotten in two years time.isn’t it the job of labour to stop that tho "
Not directly. It's their job to present an option that appeals to people to attract votes.
Just like all the parties.
Ultimately pointless though. The Tories are here to stay. |
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"The arrogant deluded fucker will cling on. His own party know what they needed to do but lacked the balls.
It’s up to the great British public to sort it out. Ignore him, boo him, turn your back on him.
He is an embarrassment.
He'll win the next GE no worries. People will just keep voting Tory regardless.
All this will be long forgotten in two years time.
I’m not so sure for two reasons .
1. His detractors are emboldened by the vote last night.
2. He is now seen as actually incapable of taking the country forward.
He’s a one truck pony where he used slogans to get Brexit.
Slogans don’t address the mess we are in. It’s serious government we need not a flawed celebrity. "
We've had all this before, many times.
Personally I don't care which self serving Tory is in charge. I don't see any of the rest of them being any better. |
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