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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead." It has now been confirmed that a confidence vote will take place this evening between 6.00pm and 8.00pm (BST). | |||
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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead. It has now been confirmed that a confidence vote will take place this evening between 6.00pm and 8.00pm (BST). " Somewhat more imminent than I anticipated lol So there are currently 359 Conservative MP's in Parliament and at least 54 (15%) have lost confidence in the PM. Theresa May won her confidence vote with 117 (37%) Conservative MP's voting against her, but ultimately her foolhardy decision to call a GE resulted in her having to resign as the Conservatives lost their majority. Some people think that Boris will call a GE and remove the whip from those who vote against him - but that risks burying the entire Conservative Party alongside him. | |||
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"Not sure how I feel about this. Probably going to be a meaningless process when we should be doing other things more productive. Politically apathetic is not the word here "What is the word ? | |||
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"Not sure how I feel about this. Probably going to be a meaningless process when we should be doing other things more productive. Politically apathetic is not the word here
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" What is the word ? Homeless (politically) " Hopeless ? | |||
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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead." He will obviously win the vote today but ultimately he is a dead man walking, | |||
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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead. He will obviously win the vote today but ultimately he is a dead man walking, " Indeed. It's a step in the right direction - but the fact remains that most Tory MPs back him. That tells you all you need to know about their honesty, integrity and credibility. In many ways, it's a shame it's a secret ballot. If the spineless and pitiful wretches amongst them could be identified, it would be useful to the voters. One thing that has struck me as odd is that hardly anyone seems to be able to admit that what finally brought this about, wasn't Partygate - it was his rewriting of the ministerial code; to remove the requirements for honesty and integrity. Anyway, if he's - eventually - replaced by a member of his current Cabinet, it will prove they have learned nothing. Oh, and could they please stop telling us "what the country needs". 1. They have no fucking idea. 2. They don't mean the UK, they mean the Home Counties. | |||
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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead." I have every confidence that he can rustle up enough supporters to win this. After all, isn't that what dictators do best? | |||
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"Has there ever been a group of more incompetent people in Cabinet? Johnson, Dorries, Braverman, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Dowden, Coffey, Gove, Kwarteng, Barclay, Lewis. Shapps... Not forgetting, Brexit supremo Lord Frost (who really should have his Knighthood rescinded)." No, but Boris would see that as a challenge. | |||
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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead. He will obviously win the vote today but ultimately he is a dead man walking, " Other dead man walking include Putin and Kim Jong. However, they survive, they dictate and they're not dead yet. Since they are in charge, then they get to make the laws. The cretin otherwise known as bojo has been voted in. that was the mistake. Now we need to live with it. | |||
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"One thing that has struck me as odd is that hardly anyone seems to be able to admit that what finally brought this about, wasn't Partygate - it was his rewriting of the ministerial code; to remove the requirements for honesty and integrity." Possibly the reason that no one is admitting that is because it didn't happen. The only changes made to the Ministerial code were ones that had been recommended by the Committee on Standards in Public Life. The only place that the words "honesty" and "integrity" were removed was from the foreword, which was entirely re-written, just like every other PM has done every time the code changes. | |||
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"Being widely reported that, like his predecessor Theresa May - Boris Johnson is about to face a confidence vote. Not sure what the Conservative Party are playing at here because if this is as imminent as is being claimed the vote will happen before the Wakefield by-election, and that will be a real litmus test. Also, there is no doubt that he will win the confidence vote, just like Theresa May did and then we will be in for another period of months on end squabbling within the Conservative Party and within Government until eventually he goes. Personally I would suggest that Johnson is sufficiently narcissistic to refuse to resign under any situation and instead calls a General Election and collapses the entire Conservative structure around him for a generation ahead. He will obviously win the vote today but ultimately he is a dead man walking, Other dead man walking include Putin and Kim Jong. However, they survive, they dictate and they're not dead yet. Since they are in charge, then they get to make the laws. The cretin otherwise known as bojo has been voted in. that was the mistake. Now we need to live with it." I know things are bad but I don’t think we are dealing with a dictatorship (yet) | |||
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"One thing that has struck me as odd is that hardly anyone seems to be able to admit that what finally brought this about, wasn't Partygate - it was his rewriting of the ministerial code; to remove the requirements for honesty and integrity. Possibly the reason that no one is admitting that is because it didn't happen. The only changes made to the Ministerial code were ones that had been recommended by the Committee on Standards in Public Life. The only place that the words "honesty" and "integrity" were removed was from the foreword, which was entirely re-written, just like every other PM has done every time the code changes." So, removing them from the foreword had no significance? I suppose that's a valid point; if you think honesty and integrity from our MPs - and particularly our PM - should be a bonus, rather than a requirement. Plenty of people do think that. Who knows - maybe even you do? | |||
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"Has there ever been a group of more incompetent people in Cabinet? Johnson, Dorries, Braverman, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Dowden, Coffey, Gove, Kwarteng, Barclay, Lewis. Shapps... Not forgetting, Brexit supremo Lord Frost (who really should have his Knighthood rescinded)." Not in living memory, no. Not sure about ever - but this shower must be in contention for the title. | |||
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"It's a tricky one, the numbers being put about for the two forthcoming by elections don't look at all good for the Tories which after the one in Amersham will have the grandees worried.. They have a chance to Lance the puss filled boil that is Boris's tenure, I doubt they will but I think they will regret it.. " Rob Roberts and David Warburton are having the whip restored. Draw your own conclusions. Personally, I think there will be significant backlash. Jeremy Hunt is now a figure some will unite around, whether it'll be enough to dislodge the PM will be another matter. I wouldn't be confident either way. | |||
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"He hasn't had his moneysworth out of his newly decorated Downing Street apartment" Lol I heard they have already got the new decorators booked for next week. | |||
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"Has there ever been a group of more incompetent people in Cabinet? Johnson, Dorries, Braverman, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Dowden, Coffey, Gove, Kwarteng, Barclay, Lewis. Shapps... Not forgetting, Brexit supremo Lord Frost (who really should have his Knighthood rescinded)." this is a feature, not a bug. | |||
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"Dido Harding’s hubby, John Penrose has resigned as Anti-Corruption Tsar (oh the irony) and said Johnson should resign. Rats and sinking ships spring to mind. After all the Corruption Tsar did not resign over... Covid contracts worth £3.5bn being awarded to companies connected to the Tory party! High Court finding that the VIP lane for PPE contracts was “illegal”! Over £4bn of Covid loans being written off for fraud!" Everything just stinks of corruption! I can't believe they've had the bottle to do what they've done to the country | |||
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"Dido Harding’s hubby, John Penrose has resigned as Anti-Corruption Tsar (oh the irony) and said Johnson should resign. Rats and sinking ships spring to mind. After all the Corruption Tsar did not resign over... Covid contracts worth £3.5bn being awarded to companies connected to the Tory party! High Court finding that the VIP lane for PPE contracts was “illegal”! Over £4bn of Covid loans being written off for fraud! Everything just stinks of corruption! I can't believe they've had the bottle to do what they've done to the country" It is because they think the British public are stupid , and who can blame them, their lies worked in the 2016 referendum | |||
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"Not sure how I feel about this. Probably going to be a meaningless process when we should be doing other things more productive. Politically apathetic is not the word here
What is the word ?
homeless (politically) "Remember when I brought this up and you started a thread Twisted? https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1107215 Now everyone's feeling it. It was only a matter of time... | |||
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Car crash . More like multiple pile up! | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ..." I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again. | |||
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"Not sure how I feel about this. Probably going to be a meaningless process when we should be doing other things more productive. Politically apathetic is not the word here
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Remember when I brought this up and you started a thread Twisted?
https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1107215
Now everyone's feeling it. It was only a matter of time...
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"So, removing them from the foreword had no significance?" None whatsoever. The foreword is a puff piece for the government, only included because it gets read out in the house when the change is made. The last foreword was all about getting Brexit done. The current one is all about recovering the economy after CoViD and tackling the cost of living crisis. The words "honesty" and "integrity" rarely feature in the foreword. They are all available online, you can go and check if you wish. | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ... I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again." You may indeed be right but if they do lose the bi-elections, waiting to have an in-fight so much closer to the next election may be more dangerous for marginal seats. But I agree with you Boris does dither and then kick the can down the road to avoid decisions. So manipulation like that will be in his interest. | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ... I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again." He isn’t guaranteed another 12 months, that rule can be changed | |||
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"I think it will be close… I can see it being 20-30 votes either way!!! I don’t see how if he isn’t a huge liability how that’s not going to be the case in 2 years time! At least a successor would get a grace period…. " I still think he'll win this vote. He'll have been ringing his wavering MPs, making them all sorts of promises of favours to come if they stick with him. But I also think this vote is the beginning of the end for him... | |||
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" But I also think this vote is the beginning of the end for him... " Agreed. Especially after he loses the two by-elections | |||
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"I still think Dominic Cummings is the most powerful person in British politics" I think Murdoch is. I think he has been for many years... | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ... I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again." I thought exactly the same thing. | |||
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"I still think Dominic Cummings is the most powerful person in British politics" Me too, he has got all his haters doing his bidding by leaking a few covid party tweets and they didn't even see they were being played. He wants revenge and boris out at any cost but you have to admire how he can manipulate people without them even realizing. | |||
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"I still think Dominic Cummings is the most powerful person in British politicsMe too, he has got all his haters doing his bidding by leaking a few covid party tweets and they didn't even see they were being played. He wants revenge and boris out at any cost but you have to admire how he can manipulate people without them even realizing." he only as one friend barney | |||
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"I think it will be close… I can see it being 20-30 votes either way!!! I don’t see how if he isn’t a huge liability how that’s not going to be the case in 2 years time! At least a successor would get a grace period…. I still think he'll win this vote. He'll have been ringing his wavering MPs, making them all sorts of promises of favours to come if they stick with him. But I also think this vote is the beginning of the end for him... " Apparently he has already promised at least 10 Tory back benchers Karsi Kwartemgs job,  | |||
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"I still think Dominic Cummings is the most powerful person in British politicsMe too, he has got all his haters doing his bidding by leaking a few covid party tweets and they didn't even see they were being played. He wants revenge and boris out at any cost but you have to admire how he can manipulate people without them even realizing. he only as one friend barney" Barney Rubble | |||
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"I still think Dominic Cummings is the most powerful person in British politicsMe too, he has got all his haters doing his bidding by leaking a few covid party tweets and they didn't even see they were being played. He wants revenge and boris out at any cost but you have to admire how he can manipulate people without them even realizing. barney castle he only as one friend barney Barney Rubble"  | |||
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"I still think Dominic Cummings is the most powerful person in British politicsMe too, he has got all his haters doing his bidding by leaking a few covid party tweets and they didn't even see they were being played. He wants revenge and boris out at any cost but you have to admire how he can manipulate people without them even realizing. barney castle he only as one friend barney Barney Rubble "PMSL | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ... I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again.I thought exactly the same thing." That does make sense for him to get it done before the by elections. Reading the BBC article today they say even if as expected he wins, he will still be politically damaged. My concern is that if they don't change leader very soon it could prove to be to late. My other concern is who would replace him | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ... I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again.I thought exactly the same thing. That does make sense for him to get it done before the by elections. Reading the BBC article today they say even if as expected he wins, he will still be politically damaged. My concern is that if they don't change leader very soon it could prove to be to late. My other concern is who would replace him" It shouldn’t be a concern to you unless you are a Conservative Party member. The Brexit cult within the Conservative Party worked with Johnson to rid the Parliamentary Conservative Party of almost all of the competent, deep thinking politicians and replaced them with loyalist Brexit lightweights. This is why there are non apparent heirs to become leader of the Party. | |||
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"If they really wanted to get rid of him they would have held off until the next two by-elections which the tories dont have a hope in hell of winning ... I have a suspicion that Boris is getting his supporters to write letters to the 1922 committee, to make sure that this vote is held before the by-elections. That way he's guaranteed another year before his opponents can try it again.I thought exactly the same thing. That does make sense for him to get it done before the by elections. Reading the BBC article today they say even if as expected he wins, he will still be politically damaged. My concern is that if they don't change leader very soon it could prove to be to late. My other concern is who would replace him It shouldn’t be a concern to you unless you are a Conservative Party member. The Brexit cult within the Conservative Party worked with Johnson to rid the Parliamentary Conservative Party of almost all of the competent, deep thinking politicians and replaced them with loyalist Brexit lightweights. This is why there are non apparent heirs to become leader of the Party." I'm not a member so not concerned in that sense but who is PM is a concern for us all regardless of membership to any party I would have thought | |||
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"Seems Jeremy hunt has his eye on the prize but doubt if they would vote a remainer in so soon. " but brexit is done ... So what's the harm ? | |||
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"Apparently with regards to partygate he has just said in the Tory meeting he had no remorse and would do it all again…. That seems like a massive gaffe to me… but we shall see " Zero shame, even now... | |||
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"Seems Jeremy hunt has his eye on the prize but doubt if they would vote a remainer in so soon. but brexit is done ... So what's the harm ? " It would make sense from the point of view of the Tories remaining in power. They can blame the brexit clusterfuck on Johnson and crack on with their reign of self service. | |||
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"Seems Jeremy hunt has his eye on the prize but doubt if they would vote a remainer in so soon. but brexit is done ... So what's the harm ? " Good point, Brexit is no longer an issue, done and dusted, apparently | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him." He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him. He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over " Aha but what about Nadine dorries? ... oh never mind | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him. He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over " I think it will be closer to 150….. i think anything over 120… which is 1/3 of the party.. and I think he is a dead man walking | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him. He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over I think it will be closer to 150….. i think anything over 120… which is 1/3 of the party.. and I think he is a dead man walking " I don't think the number will go that high. Loads are on the payroll. + he's apparently been ringing round, making all sorts of promises to those who stick by him. | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him. He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over I think it will be closer to 150….. i think anything over 120… which is 1/3 of the party.. and I think he is a dead man walking " I hope your right, but I am not convinced, if there was a credible successor I would be more confident | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him. He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over I think it will be closer to 150….. i think anything over 120… which is 1/3 of the party.. and I think he is a dead man walking I hope your right, but I am not convinced, if there was a credible successor I would be more confident " You keep forgetting about Nadine for some reason... There are no beginnings to her talents. | |||
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"A presenter slipped up by saying Jeremy Cunt on Sky news. How many times have people accidentally called him that now? (Or on purpose...)" I adore sophy ridge… but this is I am sticking with Richard quest on CNN | |||
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"148…. He done! " Fuck me, that is appalling for Boris , very good predication Fabio | |||
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"Less than 100" Hmmmm Well he has his work cut out to fix the 148. However, the result is the party has confidence in the PM | |||
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"Less than 100 Hmmmm Well he has his work cut out to fix the 148. However, the result is the party has confidence in the PM " With such a bad result, he's finished. Just a matter of time now. | |||
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"Less than 100 Hmmmm Well he has his work cut out to fix the 148. However, the result is the party has confidence in the PM " PMSL, he will gone by Xmas, he is fucked | |||
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"Damaged but he still won’t go because it’s about him and nothing more. " Yep, bringing the Tory party down with him, delicious | |||
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"Damaged but he still won’t go because it’s about him and nothing more. Yep, bringing the Tory party down with him, delicious "Yes his entitled belief is destroying his own party from within. | |||
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"Well that the 2 by elections gone… just campaign against boris!! I think this gets revisited very very soon… this is going to be a death by a thousand cuts because he is too pig ignorant to fall on the sword! " Too arrogant, more like. | |||
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"Less than 100 Hmmmm Well he has his work cut out to fix the 148. However, the result is the party has confidence in the PM PMSL, he will gone by Xmas, he is fucked " | |||
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"I think it will be close… I can see it being 20-30 votes either way!!! I don’t see how if he isn’t a huge liability how that’s not going to be the case in 2 years time! At least a successor would get a grace period…. " Decent prediction in the first place. Just over 30 short of deposing him. Still, a miss is as good as a mile, so on he goes. | |||
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"I think it will be close… I can see it being 20-30 votes either way!!! I don’t see how if he isn’t a huge liability how that’s not going to be the case in 2 years time! At least a successor would get a grace period…. Decent prediction in the first place. Just over 30 short of deposing him. Still, a miss is as good as a mile, so on he goes. " Very unlikely, Theresa May got 63% of the vote and was gone within 6 months. Boris got 58.8 | |||
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"I hope he goes, suspect he may scrape through tonight but will be toast if votes against are North of 130. We deserve better. My MP is voting against, glad I wrote to him. He won’t go tonight, I think the rebels will struggle to get 100 votes because there is no credible candidate to take over I think it will be closer to 150….. i think anything over 120… which is 1/3 of the party.. and I think he is a dead man walking I hope your right, but I am not convinced, if there was a credible successor I would be more confident " If there were a credible successor, he'd have gone tonight. That there isn't one, speaks volumes. The bottom line is this; if you back Boris Johnson, you have no more integrity, or credibility, than he does. You expect that everyone should be as content as you are to swallow his bullshit and ignore the fact that he is a proven liar who wants you to dismiss the fact he is demonstrably unfit for office. As such, you deserve to have your character and opinions treated with disdain. Doubtless, you - and he - will treat tonight's result as an endorsement of his leadership. You are, quite simply, wrong. Bear in mind, roughly 56% of the UK electorate did not vote for his party in 2019. He has never represented the majority in the UK - and he never will. He doesn't care about that, he never has - which is why he will stay on for as long as he possibly can. That and the backing of people with no self-respect whatsoever. As for "drawing a line" under anything - fuck that! Don't tell me I shouldn't oppose a known liar being PM just because 211 pitiful wretches, devoid of integrity and credibility, think I should. I'll move on when I want to - not when some spineless, whipped cur tells me that I should, just because they're happy to. | |||
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"Less than 100" Apparently not. Looks like you're out of touch enough to be in government. LOL | |||
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"I think it will be close… I can see it being 20-30 votes either way!!! I don’t see how if he isn’t a huge liability how that’s not going to be the case in 2 years time! At least a successor would get a grace period…. Decent prediction in the first place. Just over 30 short of deposing him. Still, a miss is as good as a mile, so on he goes. Very unlikely, Theresa May got 63% of the vote and was gone within 6 months. Boris got 58.8" Thatcher only did slightly worse and she was gone in 6 days, I hope he staggers on and on bringing the Tory party down with him. | |||
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"One thing that has struck me as odd is that hardly anyone seems to be able to admit that what finally brought this about, wasn't Partygate - it was his rewriting of the ministerial code; to remove the requirements for honesty and integrity. Possibly the reason that no one is admitting that is because it didn't happen. The only changes made to the Ministerial code were ones that had been recommended by the Committee on Standards in Public Life. The only place that the words "honesty" and "integrity" were removed was from the foreword, which was entirely re-written, just like every other PM has done every time the code changes." he didn't make all the recommended changes tho... And the tone of Lord Evans letter was imo one of disappointment. | |||
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"Wonderful result! All it means is that he is going to be super paranoid, 148 MP’s that’s more than his “Majority”, this guy is Dead Man Walking, even better is he doesn’t resign and the tories will be kicked out in 2 years. Every day he is leading the conservatives, more and more people will refuse to vote Conservative. They shot themselves in foot. Ballot box and GE here we come! Sayanora slob and his supporters whoop whoop!!!" The problem is he drags down the country, too. | |||
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"Wonderful result! All it means is that he is going to be super paranoid, 148 MP’s that’s more than his “Majority”, this guy is Dead Man Walking, even better is he doesn’t resign and the tories will be kicked out in 2 years. Every day he is leading the conservatives, more and more people will refuse to vote Conservative. They shot themselves in foot. Ballot box and GE here we come! Sayanora slob and his supporters whoop whoop!!! The problem is he drags down the country, too." Those 211 MP have just signed the conservative government’s Death Warrant and worst of all they were too blind to see what they have done, they think they can rely on the Public at next GE? Don’t count on it. | |||
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"I think the differences here in both of those cases there was someone snapping at their heels ready to take over. I don't agree there is no credible replacement though and I think it's interesting that Sajid Javid has been so quiet." …. and Ben Wallace | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. " You never cease to amuse with your witty anecdotes | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. " TBF at least he won an actual majority this time
And now he can carry on, like you, point out SKS lack of polcies, while diligently encacting his own, carefully considered policies. Like the windfall tax. | |||
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"Excellent result. Far better than I expected." Yep... | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. " Your going to be weeping like a baby when he goes, | |||
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" Your going to be weeping like a baby when he goes, "Today someone just outside the gates of Downing Street was continuously blasting out "Bye bye baby" | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. Your going to be weeping like a baby when he goes, "I love the fact that these people think it’s over, uh no it’s far from over, 148 MP’s he has lost his majority, and now there are more MP’s in Parliament who oppose him than support him. Its sooo over and no matter what his supporters on here say, the slob has been mortally wounded, the finishing blow is coming and there is nothing anyone can do about it, so lap it up enjoy this Pyrrhic victory, it’s dead man waking  . | |||
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"Excellent result. Far better than I expected." It's The worst confidence vote victory ever. | |||
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" Your going to be weeping like a baby when he goes,
Today someone just outside the gates of Downing Street was continuously blasting out "Bye bye baby""Ha, we shouldn’t tease Mr Hay at this difficult time, | |||
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" Your going to be weeping like a baby when he goes,
Today someone just outside the gates of Downing Street was continuously blasting out "Bye bye baby""Nothing can stop this train now, there will be a leadership challenge the contenders are getting ready. | |||
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"148 against. Worse than May's. Ouch..." ooooops | |||
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I know we’ve mentioned this before but I can’t stop thinking about that statement.
We won’t get our cash if you don’t tow the line!
That is actually shocking!
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. " lol this gave me a good giggle over my weetabix… | |||
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"Should have waited until after the two upcoming by-elections. A missed opportunity. There cannot be another no-confdence vote for a year now." The rules can be changed | |||
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" The death spiral has started though. But it’s a slow one. " The two by-elections will speed things up | |||
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"I don't think people are recognising how bad tonight's result is for Johnson. This morning, the reports of '3 figures' voting against Johnson was met was anxiety by Johnson supporters. Tonight, he has lost the support of a greater percentage of his own MPs, not only than Theresa May which was held up as the example he had to beat, but any other PM in modern history. They all fared better than he did and they all had to go. And that includes Thatcher, their most electorally successful leader in terms of successive results. Tonight's result comes at a time after they have lost the North Shropshire by-election, not fared all that well in the local elections and are on course to receive a hammering in Wakefield. According to a Survation poll out today, Labour are now 23 points ahead of the Conservatives in that election. Does anyone seriously think that isn't reflective of trends in broadly similar constituencies? Even Wakefield aside, polling now makes for horrific reading if you're a defender of Johnson. There is now no region of Britain where a majority of people polled want Johnson to remain in post, with most people feel he is untrustworthy. What does the future look like? Aside from the Wakefield by-election hammering they will soon receive, partygate will not fall out of the news. There will be parliamentary committees to look forward to where he may well be found to have misled the Commons. In any case, how can we move on if he spends his time saving his own skin and not running the country? And that's to say nothing of the civil war his own cabinet are actively involved in, will that get better or worse after tonight? There are even reports of some in his cabinet who think he's been too soft and want to see the whip removed from some of his colleagues. That would be a remarkable move towards even further disunity. Could we have an election? Johnson has refused to rule it out. People may well try and say he won a massive majority in 2019. And it's true they did. However, the circumstances have changed almost beyond recognition. In 2019, an untested but negotiated deal was pitted against a yet to be negotiated deal, with a future referendum and no clear plan over whether Labour would endorse the negotiated deal or not. At this election, Johnson's deal has been tested and he himself isn't happy with it, unsurprising really given his lies over it. While it's certainly true that I think it is unlikely the election will be fought over that, it is more likely to be fought over the cost of living. His chancellor is deeply unpopular,he held a US Green Card until last year and received a COVID fine, he didn't resign either. While he may deny any wrongdoing over the green card, trust in him and the government at large is completely worn out. That, on top of the windfall tax u-turn and tax rises. Either they don't actually believe in it and brought it in to save face over the Gray report, in which case it made no difference in polling . Or, they always believed in it but brought it in late and were as transparent as mud. £400 for every household, even if you own multiple doesn't seem to me to be particularly effective to most assist the hardest hit by their own failings. In the face of all that, not to mention plenty more, is this really the best the Conservative party can offer us? If it is, let's have a general election. I assure you all, if the Conservatives are led by their current leader, they will be defeated and we will have 10 years of Prime Minister Starmer. The failure to remove Johnson as Prime Minister will not be forgiven for a long time. " | |||
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"Should have waited until after the two upcoming by-elections. A missed opportunity. There cannot be another no-confdence vote for a year now. The rules can be changed " But when people say 'the rules can be changed or by-passed' they're often the same people who are foaming at the mouth about the rules not being followed in lockdown? 
Talking about wanting your cake and eating it. Except... he didn't
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"Should have waited until after the two upcoming by-elections. A missed opportunity. There cannot be another no-confdence vote for a year now. The rules can be changed But when people say 'the rules can be changed or by-passed' they're often the same people who are foaming at the mouth about the rules not being followed in lockdown?
Talking about wanting your cake and eating it. Except... he didn't
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"I think people looking forward to his imminent demise are a little hasty. I kept telling myself one more scandal and he’s gone about five scandals ago. The death spiral has started though. But it’s a slow one. " Endless Tory scandals over the past 12 years have made zero difference to the electorate. So why would this one be any different. As the Conservative voters on here keep boasting, the electorate is completely apathetic and compliant. | |||
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"Should have waited until after the two upcoming by-elections. A missed opportunity. There cannot be another no-confdence vote for a year now. The rules can be changed But when people say 'the rules can be changed or by-passed' they're often the same people who are foaming at the mouth about the rules not being followed in lockdown?
Talking about wanting your cake and eating it. Except... he didn't
I think that might be another of the slobs lies "The lies are almost baked in
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"I think people looking forward to his imminent demise are a little hasty. I kept telling myself one more scandal and he’s gone about five scandals ago. The death spiral has started though. But it’s a slow one. Endless Tory scandals over the past 12 years have made zero difference to the electorate. So why would this one be any different. As the Conservative voters on here keep boasting, the electorate is completely apathetic and compliant. " I don't think they're totally apathetic. I think a GE still has the power to make people stop and think. Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it. The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010. It was mainly the feeling that Labour had again tanked the economy that brought Cameron and Clegg to power in 2010, with 'Iraq' thrown in for good measure. Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say aged 45/50 and above has simply come to expect sleaze of all of them, and not without good reason. So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? | |||
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"I think people looking forward to his imminent demise are a little hasty. I kept telling myself one more scandal and he’s gone about five scandals ago. The death spiral has started though. But it’s a slow one. Endless Tory scandals over the past 12 years have made zero difference to the electorate. So why would this one be any different. As the Conservative voters on here keep boasting, the electorate is completely apathetic and compliant. I don't think they're totally apathetic. I think a GE still has the power to make people stop and think. Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it. The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010. It was mainly the feeling that Labour had again tanked the economy that brought Cameron and Clegg to power in 2010, with 'Iraq' thrown in for good measure. Labour might have some success, in the 2024 election, promoting the Tories as the party of corruption. But it is hard to avoid the sense that a world-weary voter of say aged 45/50 and above has simply come to expect sleaze of all of them, and not without good reason. So then you go back to policy and what are Labour offering? "That seems like a poor excuse to vote Tory, there are a multitude of options. I'd rather not vote than vote Tory. | |||
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"I'd rather vote than not vote I will always vote when there is choice. But I would never vote for a party whose mission is to get themselves and their pals rich at our expense." Leaves little to no practical choice then. How rich have Blair (Lab) and Clegg (LD) become again? Tuition fees promise breach, anyone? | |||
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"I'd rather vote than not vote I will always vote when there is choice. But I would never vote for a party whose mission is to get themselves and their pals rich at our expense. Leaves little to no practical choice then. How rich have Blair (Lab) and Clegg (LD) become again? Tuition fees promise breach, anyone? "Indeed. Obviously nothing compared to the current bunch of cronies. I've only voted Labour once. To keep the Tory out. I'm not a fan of them either. All they offer is a less shit version of what we currently have. Not good enough. | |||
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"I'd rather vote than not vote I will always vote when there is choice. But I would never vote for a party whose mission is to get themselves and their pals rich at our expense. Leaves little to no practical choice then. How rich have Blair (Lab) and Clegg (LD) become again? Tuition fees promise breach, anyone?
Indeed.
Obviously nothing compared to the current bunch of cronies.
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"Should have waited until after the two upcoming by-elections. A missed opportunity. There cannot be another no-confdence vote for a year now. The rules can be changed " Apparently yes they can be changed to allow another vote but not sure how that happens. What I did read today though is that opposition parties can table a vote of no confidence in the house themselves. This means all mp's get to vote on Boris. The lib dems seem keen on it but need Labour's backing which is not happening just yet for whatever reason | |||
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"What I did read today though is that opposition parties can table a vote of no confidence in the house themselves. This means all mp's get to vote on Boris." They can do that, but the Tories have a majority in the House of Commons, so it would require some Tory MPs to vote for the motion. An 'Aye' result would dissolve parliament and prompt a general election. Given the very strong possibility of the Tories losing an election if it were called now, no Conservative MP is going to vote for it. | |||
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"What I did read today though is that opposition parties can table a vote of no confidence in the house themselves. This means all mp's get to vote on Boris. They can do that, but the Tories have a majority in the House of Commons, so it would require some Tory MPs to vote for the motion. An 'Aye' result would dissolve parliament and prompt a general election. Given the very strong possibility of the Tories losing an election if it were called now, no Conservative MP is going to vote for it." it would however give the lab and lib ammo, as people would have to publically back Boris ... Rumours that LD will be the ones who kick it off | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. " Pat…. Oh pat…. Dear pat!!!!! There is just one…… really…. Really small problem There are approximately 170 mps on the government payroll in one way, shape or form… So when you take those people out it means the majority of his own backbenchers think he should go… roughly about 75% of his own side not in government positions!!!! This wasn’t just one side of the Tory party trying to unseat him… this was everyone from the moderate Jeremy hunt and Tobias Harris, thru to the old guard like David Davies and sir roger gale… to the extreme brexiteers like steve baker and Andrew bridgen, to the 2019 red wall intake like dehanna Davidson And that’s why Johnson is in trouble!!!! All sides of his own party think he is a liability | |||
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"What I did read today though is that opposition parties can table a vote of no confidence in the house themselves. This means all mp's get to vote on Boris. They can do that, but the Tories have a majority in the House of Commons, so it would require some Tory MPs to vote for the motion. An 'Aye' result would dissolve parliament and prompt a general election. Given the very strong possibility of the Tories losing an election if it were called now, no Conservative MP is going to vote for it. it would however give the lab and lib ammo, as people would have to publically back Boris ... Rumours that LD will be the ones who kick it off" But a General Election always makes people stop and think. Apart from a windfall tax, which the Tories first did years ago, I haven't seen much of policy ideas from Labour to win the next election. Their intention seems to be to drag the Tories down over Partygate and see if that will do it. The problem there is Partygate is a 'sleaze' issue and those old enough to remember the Blair years, will recall it in spades. £1m donation to Labour from Putin-loving Bernie Eccleston anyone? Tony's cronies? Hinduja passports? Keith Vaz? Ron Davies on Clapham Common? Cash for honours? Mandelson and his mortgage application. It never stopped from 97 to 2010. It was mainly the feeling that Labour had again tanked the economy that brought Cameron and Clegg to power in 2010, with 'Iraq' thrown in for good measure. People generally feel the PM is doing well with Ukraine, got us out of covid restrictions faster than other countries with the vaccine programme, saved jobs with the furlough scheme and, set aside the NI protocol issues, got Brexit done way better than May would have done. These successes are likely to feature in people's minds, rather than cake and tinsel. And beer and curry will not help Starmer, whether or not he's fined. People dislike a hypocrite sometimes more than the wrongdoer | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. Pat…. Oh pat…. Dear pat!!!!! There is just one…… really…. Really small problem There are approximately 170 mps on the government payroll in one way, shape or form… So when you take those people out it means the majority of his own backbenchers think he should go… roughly about 75% of his own side not in government positions!!!! This wasn’t just one side of the Tory party trying to unseat him… this was everyone from the moderate Jeremy hunt and Tobias Harris, thru to the old guard like David Davies and sir roger gale… to the extreme brexiteers like steve baker and Andrew bridgen, to the 2019 red wall intake like dehanna Davidson And that’s why Johnson is in trouble!!!! All sides of his own party think he is a liability " I thought Tobias Harris was an American professional basketball player? He's not taken against Boris now, has he? | |||
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"Not a bad result. Good news that Boris can carry on and build on his achievements to date . In many instances , the attitude of the Boris haters is laughable. They have no policies to offer apart from hating Boris . What policies does Kier Starmer have to offer or for that matter Ed Davey. ? A win is a win so it is onwards and upwards . I offer my sympathy to the losers and congratulations to Boris for winning . Boris is a man who has won many battles and this will just be a walk in the park . The Boris haters are simply life's losers. Pat…. Oh pat…. Dear pat!!!!! There is just one…… really…. Really small problem There are approximately 170 mps on the government payroll in one way, shape or form… So when you take those people out it means the majority of his own backbenchers think he should go… roughly about 75% of his own side not in government positions!!!! This wasn’t just one side of the Tory party trying to unseat him… this was everyone from the moderate Jeremy hunt and Tobias Harris, thru to the old guard like David Davies and sir roger gale… to the extreme brexiteers like steve baker and Andrew bridgen, to the 2019 red wall intake like dehanna Davidson And that’s why Johnson is in trouble!!!! All sides of his own party think he is a liability I thought Tobias Harris was an American professional basketball player? He's not taken against Boris now, has he? "I meant Tobias Elwood… I have basketball on the brain watching the nba finals | |||
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"I'd rather vote than not vote I will always vote when there is choice. But I would never vote for a party whose mission is to get themselves and their pals rich at our expense. Leaves little to no practical choice then. How rich have Blair (Lab) and Clegg (LD) become again? Tuition fees promise breach, anyone?
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Obviously nothing compared to the current bunch of cronies.
I've only voted Labour once. To keep the Tory out. I'm not a fan of them either. All they offer is a less shit version of what we currently have. Not good enough.
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"I'd rather vote than not vote I will always vote when there is choice. But I would never vote for a party whose mission is to get themselves and their pals rich at our expense. Leaves little to no practical choice then. How rich have Blair (Lab) and Clegg (LD) become again? Tuition fees promise breach, anyone?
Indeed.
Obviously nothing compared to the current bunch of cronies.
I've only voted Labour once. To keep the Tory out. I'm not a fan of them either. All they offer is a less shit version of what we currently have. Not good enough.
The choice is poor when you think about it
Agree."FPTP for you. Both sides are shit. I am seeing labour as being less shit. But maybe that is recency bias. I also struggle with good stuff Tories have done since coming into power (Inc the coalition). | |||
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"What I did read today though is that opposition parties can table a vote of no confidence in the house themselves. This means all mp's get to vote on Boris. They can do that, but the Tories have a majority in the House of Commons, so it would require some Tory MPs to vote for the motion. An 'Aye' result would dissolve parliament and prompt a general election. Given the very strong possibility of the Tories losing an election if it were called now, no Conservative MP is going to vote for it." I can understand the Tories voting against it though after yesterday I'm not as convinced as before. But surely Labour would want the opportunity to at least try. If this avenue is open to them and if want to at least appear to want Boris out I would expect them to make some effort. Maybe they want Boris to remain until after the by elections to make sure of victory- just a guess on my part | |||
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"I of Wight MP told cash for I of Wight for voting for Johnson" Are you trying to say he was bought ? ( bribed ) Surely not ( £80 million donations at risk if Boris lost ) If it quacks like duck , walks like a duck. You know the rest .  | |||
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"He’s won. Get over it. "Seems like a lot of “proper Tories” don’t agree... "They are not a faction that has been seen off, or an alternative policy direction that has been defeated. They represent instead a widespread feeling, a collapse of faith, that almost certainly cannot be repaired or reversed." William Hague “Remove the “payroll” vote - and look at the free vote from backbenchers. Almost 75% of all Tory MPs not dependent on his patronage voted against him. This is the end for Boris Johnson. The only question is how long the agony is prolonged.” Rory Stewart Both proper Tories, not like these UKIP lite mob currently sitting in the Cabinet. | |||
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"Phyrric victory. He's finished. Theresa May won her no confidence vote with a greater margin and look how she ended up. The reason he won't go just yet is because electing a new leader and presenting him for approval as prime minister by her majesty would likely only occur in August. The UK in the meantime would be "rudderless" through an international crisis. As the cost of living and general hardship will massively increase towards year's end he'll be gone one way or another." You could argue that rudderless would be better than Johnson letting go of the rudder while he redirects public money into the pockets of his pals. The point about Theresa May is a good one. People will celebrate when Johnson finally fucks off, but the next one will be as bad and nothing will improve. | |||
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"When almost 75% of your staff don't want you, you know you're in trouble" That's true, but it's not what happened. That 75% figure is only achieved by assuming that all of Boris' staff voted for him, and then removing their votes from the total under the excuse that they 'don't count'. In actuality all we know is that 41% of Conservative MPs voted against him. That's still devastatingly bad, so why not use the correct figures. | |||
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"He’s won. Get over it. "148 Tory MPs didnt support him | |||
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"He’s won. Get over it. "It's this basic level of thinking which has lead to the politics that we endure today. Obsessed with winning with little or no regard to the fallout: He won...but there is unrest within party ranks which led to the confidence vote in the first place. He won...but 148 MPs rather he didn't. I'd imagine they still feel a bit raw about it and won't "get over it." That means... He won...but the country lost. He's now focused more on saving his own skin than anything else plus the in-house fighting which will ensue. Less time to focus on the issues that we face as a nation. So yeah, he won...but this isn't some major sporting event. There's a lot more to think about. | |||
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"When almost 75% of your staff don't want you, you know you're in trouble That's true, but it's not what happened. That 75% figure is only achieved by assuming that all of Boris' staff voted for him, and then removing their votes from the total under the excuse that they 'don't count'. In actuality all we know is that 41% of Conservative MPs voted against him. That's still devastatingly bad, so why not use the correct figures." I know you are not replying to me but while you are correct in overall terms, the key point is 75% of backbenchers, ie those who are not on the payroll in some way and needing/relying on Johnson’s patronage. | |||
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"When almost 75% of your staff don't want you, you know you're in trouble That's true, but it's not what happened. That 75% figure is only achieved by assuming that all of Boris' staff voted for him, and then removing their votes from the total under the excuse that they 'don't count'. In actuality all we know is that 41% of Conservative MPs voted against him. That's still devastatingly bad, so why not use the correct figures." But it is reasonable to assume that as a rule people tend not to bite the hand that feeds and this exact argument was made by Jacob Rees Mogg as to why Theresa May’s loss was so bad. He discounted payroll MP’s and focused wholly on the backbench MP’s and stated categorically that she had lost the support of the overwhelming majority of back benchers. What is good for the goose…. Etc | |||
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"He’s won. Get over it.
It's this basic level of thinking which has lead to the politics that we endure today. Obsessed with winning with little or no regard to the fallout:
He won...but there is unrest within party ranks which led to the confidence vote in the first place.
He won...but 148 MPs rather he didn't. I'd imagine they still feel a bit raw about it and won't "get over it." That means...
He won...but the country lost. He's now focused more on saving his own skin than anything else plus the in-house fighting which will ensue. Less time to focus on the issues that we face as a nation.
So yeah, he won...but this isn't some major sporting event. There's a lot more to think about."I seriously blame Brexit! It has normalised binary decisions and a lack of nuance or respectful debate. Completely dumbed down everything. | |||
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"When almost 75% of your staff don't want you, you know you're in trouble" "That's true, but it's not what happened. That 75% figure is only achieved by assuming that all of Boris' staff voted for him, and then removing their votes from the total under the excuse that they 'don't count'. In actuality all we know is that 41% of Conservative MPs voted against him. That's still devastatingly bad, so why not use the correct figures." "But it is reasonable to assume that as a rule people tend not to bite the hand that feeds ..." I don't think so in this case. This wasn't a vote, it was a ballot, i.e. the votes were secret. People that wanted Boris out, even those in his cabinet, could vote against him with no consequences. Indeed you could make a case that those in his cabinet were more likely to vote against him, as they are the high flyers and the ones most likely to benefit from a power vacuum. Like I said, 41% against him is staggeringly bad. We don't need artificially inflated figures to argue that he is on his way out. | |||
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"... and this exact argument was made by Jacob Rees Mogg as to why Theresa May’s loss was so bad." Are you saying that we should all behave like Jacob Rees-Mogg? | |||
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