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By *he_Last_Titan OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

Where do you stand?

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By *melia DominaTV/TS over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

It is all a croc! Think that covers it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

God Save the Queen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like the two polarised ends are the only places to stand

Don’t touch the floor in the middle… it’s lava

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Royal.

May change when queen passes though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I Stand in the place where I live. And then think about direction and wonder why I haven't before.

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By *ripodius WillyusMan over a year ago

Here and there

Abolish. The royals are one of richest families around. They do not need anymore yet year on year they take millions from taxpayers money.

Then cast mind back to Panama papers scandal where the Royal hid millions so as to avoid paying uk tax on it.

No reason at all for all the palaces there is. Move all into Buckingham palace close or moth ball the rest.

Now folk say they bring revenue to nation it was at its peak when Princess Di was alive.

When folk say they serve nation well apart from odd bit of ribbon cutting.

Now and this bit is the most crucial thing.

The rise in amount of food banks is shameful.

Folk are struggling like never before and money Royals take from taxpayers should never come above the poor.

Never ever should this occur.

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"Like the two polarised ends are the only places to stand

Don’t touch the floor in the middle… it’s lava

There's already some bollocks being posted in the thread, so the lava is lapping at the polarised ends, it seems. Have fun, everybody...

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By *riel13Woman over a year ago

Northampton

Eat the rich!

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"I Stand in the place where I live. And then think about direction and wonder why I haven't before. "

Nicely done

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS over a year ago

chichester

Royalist and I think if William can become king while he is young he/ Kate would be pretty cool at revamping the monarchy into a new age for younger people

Plus they bring in lots of revenue no doubt ..

I notice there is much higher divide on royal like between north and south as well

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By *dward_TeagueMan over a year ago

wolverhampton

I really like and respect the Queen, for her to still be working at her age is phenomenal. What a woman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m somewhere in the middle. I don’t really care.

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By *tephanjMan over a year ago

Kettering

Royalist here, and I will use my sword to defend the monarchy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Kind of neutral, although they should not be getting public money, regardless if they generate tourism or not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Eat the rich!

I could imagine you having a good munch on Boris

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

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By *riel13Woman over a year ago

Northampton

"Eat the rich!

I could imagine you having a good munch on Boris "

I would rather starve tbh lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. "

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. "

I'm down for this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

I'm down for this

Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman over a year ago

Reading

The Queen should be the last.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The yanks dispensed with the English Crown (not that I blame them in the circumstances. Even they wanted George Washington to become their monarch, but he declined). Look what's happened to them. I don't mind a benign monarchy. It gives a nation focus and identity. Yes ours has many flaws and I wonder what it will become/what will become of it when Her Maj checks out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

I'm down for this

Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them."

Good call.

Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Appreciate her getting me two days off work, other than that meh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

I'm down for this

Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them.

Good call.

Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead. "

Charles’ ears, Harry’s hair, Andrew’s sweat glands.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

I'm down for this

Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them.

Good call.

Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead.

Charles’ ears, Harry’s hair, Andrew’s sweat glands."

And Pippa's arse?

This seems a little unfair.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Eat the rich!

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

I'm down for this

Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them.

Good call.

Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead.

Charles’ ears, Harry’s hair, Andrew’s sweat glands.

And Pippa's arse?

This seems a little unfair. "

It’s all their most recognisable features.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple over a year ago

chester

I love that we have a monarchy and it makes up so much of our history. There will always be tossers, just like in any family. At least they’ve evolved and allowed themselves to move with the times.

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple over a year ago

Sunderland

I'd imagine a lot of people will lose interest with the Queen dies.

So I would suggest an alternative. Kate and Meghan battle it out in the Thunder Dome (Mad Max 3) with the winner being declared queen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Complete reform of the civil list, assets handed back to public, but not total abolishment.

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By *tephanjMan over a year ago

Kettering

Sorry not getting involved with this anymore

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also abolish the royals and stop glorifying the horrible things the stand for.

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. "

It’s what she’d want.

There’s probably a royal decree somewhere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

It’s what she’d want.

There’s probably a royal decree somewhere "

I'm on it.

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By *a LunaWoman over a year ago

South Wales

Got my flag up. I’m a fan of Her Maj., Wills and Kate.

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs.

I'm down for this

Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them."

She's as royal as Mike Tindall's brother

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Don’t care. I don’t look down my nose at either.

The flags in my village look nice and don’t trigger any faux outrage if self loathing to my adopted country. They don’t rouse any patriotic feeling either.

I shall watch todays events and have a glass or two when I finish work.

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By *eroLondonMan over a year ago

Mayfair

I think the question you're asking is Monarchist vs Abolitionist.

(Royalist favours a specific person as head of state)

God save the Queen. †

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By *iberius61Man over a year ago

Pontefract

I wouldn't like the job, aways reminds me of the Robin Williams quote in Aladin, unlimited power, itsy bitsy living space.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

I find the monarchy endlessly fascinating, I don't think it'll be abolished in GB any time soon. I would prefer a slimmed down proactive rather than reactive version though

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Not sure about Royalist, I’m not up there with people who camp out to see royal weddings etc! But I like them yes and will be celebrating.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Abolition. We don't need royalty and they don't represent either the best of our society or anything that we should be promoting to the international community.

The income from tourism is a false argument - so much more (and better) could be done to attract visitors to this country.

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By *TMA that man againMan over a year ago

worester

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. "

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

I don’t really care either way - the role is a complete figure head now and I do think that they being in more money than they cost due to tourism etc so I would probably keep them an that basis alone.

I am curious as to how many of the anti-monarchy group are going to demonstrate their true feelings by NOT taking the holiday off to celebrate?

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By *ighty_tightyMan over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

Forget the cost aspect. It's null and void

The royals bring in almost £2b a year and cost less than £500m. Thats a net profit of about £1.5b

But still people will moan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!"

Harry is the best royal.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple over a year ago

chester

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!"

Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What people shouldn’t forget is that the Queen is head of state which ultimately means that the government and PM are accountable to her. She can abolish the government or remove the PM at any time otherwise we will end up with a situation like the US where the President has ultimate power for 4 or 8 years and then someone else has it and they are accountable to no one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!

Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment"

I was being deadly serious.

But yes, I'd do him.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple over a year ago

chester

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!

Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment

I was being deadly serious.

But yes, I'd do him. "

Had him!!!

He’d be a rubbish king but I’d like to see his friends pics !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!

Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment

I was being deadly serious.

But yes, I'd do him. "

He has quite a big bulge so yes I would have a little grapple too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!

Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment

I was being deadly serious.

But yes, I'd do him.

Had him!!!

He’d be a rubbish king but I’d like to see his friends pics !!"

He’d be a great king. He’d be doing Piers Morgan’s Life Stories and telling us why his mam told him to stay away from Uncle Andy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stay woke.

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple over a year ago

chester

"Make Harry king!!

Or if not at least William.

Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all.

Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!

Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment

I was being deadly serious.

But yes, I'd do him.

Had him!!!

He’d be a rubbish king but I’d like to see his friends pics !!

He’d be a great king. He’d be doing Piers Morgan’s Life Stories and telling us why his mam told him to stay away from Uncle Andy."

That’s the only piers Morgan episode I’d watch

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By *erseus1968Man over a year ago

Rochdale

Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

Ancient and outdated.

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

Ancient and outdated. "

Would the aforementioned piles be preserved in formalin or frozen?

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

Was talking about this with my kids yesterday. And with how much she is worth and how much she has on assets etc. It does seem rather mental that they have so much and yet still get tax payers money when there are people who are struggling financially.

I think I'd like to see a proper study on how much they cost us, how much tourism they bring in. How much would it fall if they were abolished. I mean I want to go to the palace of Versailles and France don't have a monarchy. If their main function is to be a tourist attraction and to be essentially the government's celebrity then more transparency is required I think.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

Neither. I'm not exactly pro monarchy but I feel that all we have to gain from abolishing them is "the principle" and that doesn't really feel worth it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I don’t really care either way - the role is a complete figure head now and I do think that they being in more money than they cost due to tourism etc so I would probably keep them an that basis alone.

I am curious as to how many of the anti-monarchy group are going to demonstrate their true feelings by NOT taking the holiday off to celebrate?

I'm working. Hope this helps

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor."

If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”?

You can do one or the other. If it is the former then surely the only reason a “tourist” company would by “the piles” is so that they can profit from it - which backs the argument that the royals bring in more than they cost. If you “give the land back” then who pays for its upkeep?

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

Abolish. The Windsors are an imported dynasty too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

Ancient and outdated. "

Like the Romanov's?

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

I’m raising a glass to Cromwell who stood up to the arrogant bastards.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”?

The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will.

And in any case it's worth it to get rid of people who believe they were ordained by god to cosplay. They're welcome to their weird kinks, but they can keep it to themselves and stop expecting a handout for it.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"Was talking about this with my kids yesterday. And with how much she is worth and how much she has on assets etc. It does seem rather mental that they have so much and yet still get tax payers money when there are people who are struggling financially.

They don't really get taxpayers money. At least not in the sense that it's money generated in tax by every day tax payers. 100% of the profits of the crown estate are surrendered to the treasury. They then get a certain amount back each year which is periodically reviewed. This is what is often called "taxpayers money" but if I surrendered all my money to the government and they gave me 25% of it back a year, am I really funded by the taxpayer?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would sooner have a Monarch than a US or EU style President. So long as the Monarch remains Apolitical. Mind you I suspect that Her Majesty would probably run rings around most of our MPs. What's the addage 'Old and any treachery'?

Sorry just had a image of Her Majesty turning up at the Commons with a 'Tommy' Gun and having a clear out...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

'Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.'

So that's why younger men prefer older women

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.'

So that's why younger men prefer older women

I won't complain

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By *ornyone30Man over a year ago

ABERDEEN

Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them.

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By *r. CMan over a year ago

Tiverton

"Abolish. The royals are one of richest families around. They do not need anymore yet year on year they take millions from taxpayers money.

Then cast mind back to Panama papers scandal where the Royal hid millions so as to avoid paying uk tax on it.

No reason at all for all the palaces there is. Move all into Buckingham palace close or moth ball the rest.

Now folk say they bring revenue to nation it was at its peak when Princess Di was alive.

When folk say they serve nation well apart from odd bit of ribbon cutting.

Now and this bit is the most crucial thing.

The rise in amount of food banks is shameful.

Folk are struggling like never before and money Royals take from taxpayers should never come above the poor.

Never ever should this occur."

^^^This 100%.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

Keep, absolutely keep. This country doesn’t have that much appeal these days and the world is fascinated by the monarchy. We do pomp and ceremony so well and people want to see it and watch.

Aside from that, they do good work which means a lot to many people and good causes, charities etc. To be the patron of good causes helps people enormously. They have appeal which others would not. Boris certainly wouldn’t have appeal.

I think William and Kate will modernise and that’s fine, but whatever your view the Queen has committed herself unwaveringly to a lifetime of service and is respected the world over. It is only here where we groan but then that’s the modern day British society for you.

I would not want a President of Head of State type scenario. Politicians should be there to work, to run the country and they already get enough. It would be wide open to even more abuse.

I have total respect for the Queen. An incredible woman.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them. "

It’s not the lot of them though is it?

When all is said and done they are a family and all families have good and bad - that’s life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont really care either way

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”?

The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”?

The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will.

If you're into their kink, that's cool too. You do you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not overwhelmed or underwhelmed just whelmed

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor.

If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”?

The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will.

If you're into their kink, that's cool too. You do you."

You misunderstand my confused face - I am confused because his original point was about money. He didn’t answer my money question but then pivoted to kinks. I am not sure how they are related.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Keep, absolutely keep. This country doesn’t have that much appeal these days and the world is fascinated by the monarchy. We do pomp and ceremony so well and people want to see it and watch.

I would not want a President of Head of State type scenario. Politicians should be there to work, to run the country and they already get enough. It would be wide open to even more abuse.

I have total respect for the Queen. An incredible woman. "

Well said Babs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To all those so adamantly against the Royals...get to bloody work today!!!

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you reckon the Queen and her fam think empire was a positive or negative thing? That’s my question of today.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you reckon the Queen and her fam think empire was a positive or negative thing? That’s my question of today. "
do you reckon if I somehow was deemed worthy enough to be in their presence for dinner, they’d wear a racist broach?

God I wonder.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them.

It’s not the lot of them though is it?

When all is said and done they are a family and all families have good and bad - that’s life. "

They're not just a family though, are they. Most families can't pay their way out of a scandal that involves flying children to remote islands. Most families don't have a whole army sworn to defend them.

Make them a normal family before treating them like one - if they're meant to represent Britain then they need to be held to higher standards (though let's be fair, we're not talking sky high here).

Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

A royalist here! X

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By *eneralKenobiMan over a year ago

North Angus

Abolish it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

One day intelligence will actually come back to all these people talking non stop bollocks day in/ day out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To all those so adamantly against the Royals...get to bloody work today!!!

Rather bake you a cake

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

One day intelligence will actually come back to all these people talking non stop bollocks day in/ day out.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them.

It’s not the lot of them though is it?

When all is said and done they are a family and all families have good and bad - that’s life.

Make them a normal family before treating them like one - if they're meant to represent Britain then they need to be held to higher standards (though let's be fair, we're not talking sky high here).

Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out

Good luck with that. If you ever see a family in a position of responsibility there will be trouble behind the scenes with some of them.

The things you mention don’t change the Queen giving a lifetime to service, how the royals generate jobs and funds.

Anyway, I’m not here to convince anyone. We all have our opinions but I am waiting to see the day when your average family puts granny Betty out to work at 96 years of age - and then throw into the mix nasty comments made by people constantly. Let’s hope average Granny has a thick skin.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure

But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

Fair point.

I'm neither for or against. Just more clarity of their value for money. For example trooping of the army today I'd watch it regardless if it was for the queen or the forces of the UK (I like a bit of pomp and ceremony). If it was found royalty created more income than if they didn't exist, then it would stop much of the debate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out

Good luck with that. If you ever see a family in a position of responsibility there will be trouble behind the scenes with some of them.

The things you mention don’t change the Queen giving a lifetime to service, how the royals generate jobs and funds.

We don't need to have a family as head of state though, which solves that problem

also: we could just not have a 96 year old working? Not that I feel sorry for her but that's not a necessity (is it even desirable?).

Overall the royal family takes much more than they give, and what they currently give they could continue to give without being heads of state.

I want to see criminals put to justice and tax payers money going to far more important priorities. While the queen gets in the way of that I see no choice but to be a Republican.

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By *arkus1812Man over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"'Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.'

So that's why younger men prefer older women

What treachery can I bring to bear that will prevent all the younger guys getting all the older women?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out

Good luck with that. If you ever see a family in a position of responsibility there will be trouble behind the scenes with some of them.

The things you mention don’t change the Queen giving a lifetime to service, how the royals generate jobs and funds.

We don't need to have a family as head of state though, which solves that problem

also: we could just not have a 96 year old working? Not that I feel sorry for her but that's not a necessity (is it even desirable?).

Overall the royal family takes much more than they give, and what they currently give they could continue to give without being heads of state.

I want to see criminals put to justice and tax payers money going to far more important priorities. While the queen gets in the way of that I see no choice but to be a Republican."

A Head of State doesn’t bring any appeal or generate any income of any note. Open to corruption. Look at Boris

As for criminals, every single day there are lawyers getting people off from crimes they have committed. Is it right? No, of course not but that has nothing to do with being part of a royal family. We are just accepting of that because we don’t see it.

If you research you will find each taxpayer pays very little towards the royal family. You pay more towards politicians.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure

But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it

As noted, I'm working today.

It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.

I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.

(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)

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By *ermbiMan over a year ago

Ballyshannon

A president would be democratically elected by the citizens and not be head of the church. In a so called democracy let us remember that the monarch cannot be a Catholic. A president could be of any religion or none. This country which boasts democracy, openness and equality has a law preventing a Catholic becoming the monarch. Time that the UK grew up.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure

But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it

As noted, I'm working today.

I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.

(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)"

We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.

I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.

Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.

I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"A president would be democratically elected by the citizens and not be head of the church. In a so called democracy let us remember that the monarch cannot be a Catholic. A president could be of any religion or none. This country which boasts democracy, openness and equality has a law preventing a Catholic becoming the monarch. Time that the UK grew up."

But in many countries a head of state still needs to be affiliated to a religion.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

Here you go …

More than half of the countries with religion-related restrictions on their heads of state (17) maintain that the office must be held by a Muslim. In Jordan, for example, the heir to the throne must be a Muslim child of Muslim parents. In Tunisia, any Muslim male or female voter born in the country may qualify as a candidate for president. Malaysia, Pakistan and Mauritania also restrict their heads of state to Muslim citizens.

For information purposes - not to get into a debate about religion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here you go …

For information purposes - not to get into a debate about religion. "

Right but that doesn't mean we'd need to copy them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Royal.

May change when queen passes though. "

So not Royal then..just pro Queen?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

Here you go …

For information purposes - not to get into a debate about religion.

Right but that doesn't mean we'd need to copy them."

Oh dear

I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh dear

I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing. "

But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Oh dear

I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing.

But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway."

You don’t know that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh dear

I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing.

But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway.

You don’t know that. "

I really do

49% irreligious. Only 17% are Anglican, too.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure

But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it

As noted, I'm working today.

I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.

(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)

We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.

I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.

I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here. "

I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.

If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Oh dear

I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing.

But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway.

You don’t know that.

I really do

49% irreligious. Only 17% are Anglican, too."

I think thats the percentage that are not affiliated with a religion but that doesn’t mean they don’t have religious beliefs.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure

But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it

As noted, I'm working today.

I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.

(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)

We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.

I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.

I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.

I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.

Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.

The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's just have William and Katherine as heads of state only. Shove the others out to work. They are over privileged out of date monarchy .

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

Absolute republican, but I’m happy for people to have their celebrations if that’s their thing.

(Also happy to debate it until the cows come home when it’s not the celebrations)!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Loving all the against arguments these past few days

. Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!

Carry on won’t you

Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure

But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it

As noted, I'm working today.

I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.

(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)

We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.

I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.

I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.

I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.

It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.

I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.

But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.

Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.