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"It's the right wing version of communism. The bigger zealot you are the higher up you go in government. You cannot criticise it or the press and the people invested will denounce you as a traitor to 'the people'. It can be a success but it's just not been done 'right' yet. " Can’t trust tories with Brexit, they’ve made quite a pigs ear of it. Can’t trust tories with anything these days. | |||
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"And covid asnt had an effect at all then there’s the war but fuck that it’s all brexit lol" Couldn’t even trust them with both covid, the war and the economy. They are useless as a chocolate teapot. What a bunch a fraudulent charlatans. | |||
"And covid asnt had an effect at all then there’s the war but fuck that it’s all brexit lol" Every country in the world has had to deal with the pandemic and every country in the world is being impacted by the war in Ukraine. So the only thing different for us is that we had Brexit and we have the most incompetent and unreliable Government ever. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet? "What will it take for you to accept just how bad Brexit is going? Why do you think there is chaos at the airports outbound at the moment? Where are all the staff? Why is there such a huge staff shortage across all sectors? Why the gridlock at Dover? Why the spectre of problems on N Ireland? Why is the world losing faith in £GBP? Why do we have the highest inflation in Europe? What will it take to make you realise what the root cause of all of the (completely unnecessary) turmoil is? | |||
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"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. " 
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"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. " A politician who can admit we have a problem and discuss ways to deal with it . Shame he’s not a minister with any influence. We need practical answers not ideological barriers. Enough is enough. | |||
"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. " he hasnt seen the elephant in the room he voted remain in the ref and has always wanted to remain, it would of sounded better coming from someone whe voted leave rather than someone who wanted to remain, personaly im amazed both sides are still arguing about it all, its done no going back as they wouldnt have us back, just enjoy life rather than getting stressed out about stuff ya cant change | |||
"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. he hasnt seen the elephant in the room he voted remain in the ref and has always wanted to remain, it would of sounded better coming from someone whe voted leave rather than someone who wanted to remain, personaly im amazed both sides are still arguing about it all, its done no going back as they wouldnt have us back, just enjoy life rather than getting stressed out about stuff ya cant change" isn't he suggesting we renogatiate the relationship in a post EU Britain? Much like Boris wants to renegotiate the NIP. | |||
"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. he hasnt seen the elephant in the room he voted remain in the ref and has always wanted to remain, it would of sounded better coming from someone whe voted leave rather than someone who wanted to remain, personaly im amazed both sides are still arguing about it all, its done no going back as they wouldnt have us back, just enjoy life rather than getting stressed out about stuff ya cant changeisn't he suggesting we renogatiate the relationship in a post EU Britain? Much like Boris wants to renegotiate the NIP. " He is stating the obvious. Being outside the European Single Market and Customs Union is bad for Britain…. As was stated as nauseum by people who actually gave a shit. | |||
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"And covid asnt had an effect at all then there’s the war but fuck that it’s all brexit lol" How has covid and the war contributed to increased red tape??  | |||
"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. he hasnt seen the elephant in the room he voted remain in the ref and has always wanted to remain, it would of sounded better coming from someone whe voted leave rather than someone who wanted to remain, personaly im amazed both sides are still arguing about it all, its done no going back as they wouldnt have us back, just enjoy life rather than getting stressed out about stuff ya cant changeisn't he suggesting we renogatiate the relationship in a post EU Britain? Much like Boris wants to renegotiate the NIP. He is stating the obvious. Being outside the European Single Market and Customs Union is bad for Britain…. As was stated as nauseum by people who actually gave a shit." the irony, they all know it, not just the Tories, but the cowardly labor party.Long term common sense will prevail,and rejoin the EU we shall, with some crappy spin, and tails between our legs. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet? " | |||
"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. he hasnt seen the elephant in the room he voted remain in the ref and has always wanted to remain, it would of sounded better coming from someone whe voted leave rather than someone who wanted to remain, personaly im amazed both sides are still arguing about it all, its done no going back as they wouldnt have us back, just enjoy life rather than getting stressed out about stuff ya cant change" But we are not able to enjoy life, when we are feeling the consequences. I think it is reversible,referenda have been overturned in the past... | |||
"It's the right wing version of communism. The bigger zealot you are the higher up you go in government. You cannot criticise it or the press and the people invested will denounce you as a traitor to 'the people'. It can be a success but it's just not been done 'right' yet. Can’t trust tories with Brexit, they’ve made quite a pigs ear of it. Can’t trust tories with anything these days. " But at least they know how to party, like its 2099... | |||
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"Going well I think. Even Putin singled out the UK, I wonder why, a country going backwards. Really, a country that decides it direction on Ukraine without toeing the EU crap line. He must be laughing his socks off about the EU indecision and half baked measures. Maybe he now realises his biggest mistake about Ukraine, had invaded an EU country they would have crumbled. " Were we not behind the EU in banning Ologarchs? Fuxit...from stength to err strength | |||
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"But but but .....we have our freedoms back and imperial measurments and crown logos on pint tumblers. Def a great idea this Fuxit " I like that word Fuxit, because that is what Boris does on the regular, Fucks it up. | |||
"Yet this evening more euro crap. Macron decides what Ukraine should cede and not humiliate Putin, and sees himself as the mediator. Not bad for someone who is kissing Putins arse, along with Germany and its not so super economy propped up with Russian gas. If Ukraine fails to kick Putin out of their territory the EU will be finished. Hungary will welcome Russians, Moldova will fall, Slovakia and so on. Remember those days. Glad we are rid of it. " Macron actually offered some very good advice which is extremely historically relevant. He argued not to humiliate the Russia in Ukraine and give them an honourable way to exit the conflict. At the end of WW1, the Allies were determined to punish Germany for their actions in the war, and they did. No-one argued against the humiliation of Germany because all of the Allied countries were emotionally scarred by the carnage and felt that Germany had to pay. The result in Germany was catastrophic recession and a hardening of attitudes by German people against their European neighbours. WW2 was a direct consequence of the way that WW1 had ended. Moral of the story - don’t humiliate the losers unless you want kickback further down the line. This doesn’t mean the Putin should not be held responsible, but it does mean that all of Russia should not be made to feel responsible. | |||
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"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. " Lazy Sunday so will just say THIS | |||
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"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back." Wrong! | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong!" Ah ... but apparently Brexit can't ever be reversed. Because things can't ever be changed. They have to remain the way they are at any given point forever. | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back." I think the bit about zero chance of going back is correct I feel, we would not have the Same deal as we had before, so no rebates that our farmers enjoyed etc and we would almost certainly be forced to take up the euro as our currency which would see the prices of everything increase overnight. I dont see the EU as wanting us back either, they clearly have a agenda for a federal European superstate and I think they see us as a disruptive influence in that area which they glad to be rid of. | |||
"Tobias Elwood. A Conservative MP who has perhaps finally seen the elephant in the room: “With inflation soaring and the cost of living crisis biting, the Chancellor’s recent £15bn intervention was welcome – but more radical thinking is required if we are to energise our economy through these stormy waters and earn another five years of Conservative government. Given the gargantuan economic challenges ahead, we must dare to assess how Brexit, the biggest geo-political decision in a generation, is faring. So loaded is the B word, many may prefer to steer clear of the subject. But this would be a dereliction of duty. If an army general, mid-battle, is mature enough to finesse his strategy to secure mission success, then government should do the same. Let’s have the courage to dare to make operational amendments as we seek to leverage greater success. Here’s my attempt of how we might adjust the tiller to better maximise our Brexit fortunes. Political distance from Brussels has been achieved. This is not up for question. However, economically speaking, there is vast room for improvement. The OBR calculates, in its current form, that Brexit is reducing our GDP by four per cent. This compares to around 1.5 per cent caused by Covid. Put another way: our exports to Europe have shrunk by £20bn. From the fishers who can no longer sell their Scottish salmon, to the farmers undercut by unchecked imports, to Cheshire cheesemakers running into £180 health certificates, even to the City which can no longer sell financial services to Europe, sector after sector is being str**gled by the red tape we were supposed to escape from. Total business investment across the entire United Kingdom economy stalled after 2016 and is 10 per cent down on 2019. European Union workers are turning their backs on the UK, leaving vital gaps in our workforce. Low investment means lower growth. No wonder the IMF forecasts growth for 2023 as half the advanced economy average. And then there’s the unresolved issue of the Irish border. Current plans to bin the Northern Ireland Protocol could trigger a trade war with the EU (causing further economic harm) and is alienating the United States, our closest security ally. As a recent YouGov poll indicates, this is not the Brexit most people imagined, with the majority believing Brexit has gone badly. There is appetite to make improvements – not U-turns but course corrections. In a nutshell, all these challenges would disappear if we dare to advance our Brexit model by re-joining the EU single market (the Norway model). Leaving this aspect of the EU was not on the ballot paper, nor called for by either the Prime Minister or Nigel Farage during the 2016 referendum. There was, however, much discussion about returning to a “common market,” which is exactly what I propose. Any model will have benefits and drawbacks. The single market means the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It would see £7bn of paperwork and checks go, and boost our economy by restoring free trade to sectors demanding change. It would require acceptance of some EU regulations. However, UK industry, from food to pharmaceuticals, chemicals to motor manufacturing, says they would be better off working with one common standard rather than having to follow two: both a UK regulatory system and the EU one for most exports. There remain understandable reservations about the free movement of people in relation to benefit claims which would need addressing, but this is not insurmountable. Let’s not forget, both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher endorsed this model, with the view that the potential economic benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If joining the single market (with conditions) results in strengthening our economy, easing the cost of living crisis, settling the Irish problem at a stroke and promoting our European credentials as we take an ever greater lead in Ukraine, would it not be churlish to not face this reality?” Tobias Ellwood. Conservative MP for Bournemouth East. Lazy Sunday so will just say THIS"Same! | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. I think the bit about zero chance of going back is correct I feel, we would not have the Same deal as we had before, so no rebates that our farmers enjoyed etc and we would almost certainly be forced to take up the euro as our currency which would see the prices of everything increase overnight. I dont see the EU as wanting us back either, they clearly have a agenda for a federal European superstate and I think they see us as a disruptive influence in that area which they glad to be rid of." The chances of returning are indeed slim though I would not say zero. Leaving was once regarded as a slim chance so things do evolve and not always as expected. The points you make about currency and the overall deal are very true. Interestingly you raise the prospect of a federal European super state now the UK is out. It's something I had forgotten about but now wonder for those that wish to rejoin would joining a federal European super state make you more or less likely to vote to rejoin (leaving aside the currency and deal) | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet? "Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. "yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better "it's wheeled out as the media, government, and some leavers made a big deal about it. Elwooed isn't banging about Brexit, other than to suggest the way we have brexited is could be reviewed. Is that not allowed ? Or can only people with (leaver) have a say in the future of our country on this issue ... ? | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better "Utter wank! Times will change and many more young people will vote against the results of Brexit even if it’s just so they can go on holiday more often. The detrimental effect of Brexit increases every day but I guess you’re alright aren’t you Costa? Doh! | |||
"I think it is reversible,referenda have been overturned in the past... "Not in the UK they haven't. We've only had 3, and they've all stuck. | |||
"I think it is reversible,referenda have been overturned in the past...
Not in the UK they haven't. We've only had 3, and they've all stuck."also, we are out of the EU. So what would the point be? | |||
"Times will change and many more young people will vote against the results of Brexit even if it’s just so they can go on holiday more often." Is Brexit imposing limits on Britons' ability to go on holiday? | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better "Daniel Hannan is reflecting now though too isn’t he? In the coming years Brexit will be seen as the most foolhardy act of National incompetence ever recorded and I think deep in your heart you know that too. You just can’t bring yourself around to acknowledge that you and millions of others were ‘sold’ the lies. Only Brexiters can say “this isn’t the Brexit I voted for” All Remainers WILL say that “this is exactly the Brexit they voted against” | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better
Utter wank! Times will change and many more young people will vote against the results of Brexit even if it’s just so they can go on holiday more often. The detrimental effect of Brexit increases every day but I guess you’re alright aren’t you Costa? Doh!"How many young people want to go on holiday more than 90 days in every 180? the kids must be doing well where you live maybe its the pay rises since we dont import cheap labour now. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better
Daniel Hannan is reflecting now though too isn’t he?
In the coming years Brexit will be seen as the most foolhardy act of National incompetence ever recorded and I think deep in your heart you know that too. You just can’t bring yourself around to acknowledge that you and millions of others were ‘sold’ the lies.
Only Brexiters can say “this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”
All Remainers WILL say that “this is exactly the Brexit they voted against”
". An analysis of company results tends to paint a very different picture. I do not see many companies complaining about Brexit . How many directors reports even mention it.? Have any issued profit forecasts as a result of it.? We continue to trade with Europe but on slightly different terms. There will of course be winners and losers in all situations. Companies are simply carrying on doing what they usually do employing people , selling their services, and paying dividends to shareholders where relevant. These companies have no political bias so an analysis of company results should be good enough for most people. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better
Daniel Hannan is reflecting now though too isn’t he?
In the coming years Brexit will be seen as the most foolhardy act of National incompetence ever recorded and I think deep in your heart you know that too. You just can’t bring yourself around to acknowledge that you and millions of others were ‘sold’ the lies.
Only Brexiters can say “this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”
All Remainers WILL say that “this is exactly the Brexit they voted against”
. An analysis of company results tends to paint a very different picture. I do not see many companies complaining about Brexit . How many directors reports even mention it.? Have any issued profit forecasts as a result of it.? We continue to trade with Europe but on slightly different terms. There will of course be winners and losers in all situations. Companies are simply carrying on doing what they usually do employing people , selling their services, and paying dividends to shareholders where relevant.
These companies have no political bias so an analysis of company results should be good enough for most people. "indeed. NI companies are apparently doing very well. We should leave NIP alone too, right ? | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better
Daniel Hannan is reflecting now though too isn’t he?
In the coming years Brexit will be seen as the most foolhardy act of National incompetence ever recorded and I think deep in your heart you know that too. You just can’t bring yourself around to acknowledge that you and millions of others were ‘sold’ the lies.
Only Brexiters can say “this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”
All Remainers WILL say that “this is exactly the Brexit they voted against”
. An analysis of company results tends to paint a very different picture. I do not see many companies complaining about Brexit . How many directors reports even mention it.? Have any issued profit forecasts as a result of it.? We continue to trade with Europe but on slightly different terms. There will of course be winners and losers in all situations. Companies are simply carrying on doing what they usually do employing people , selling their services, and paying dividends to shareholders where relevant.
These companies have no political bias so an analysis of company results should be good enough for most people. "i agree we continue to trade with Europe… only not as much… and yes there are clearly winners and losers …….the primary loser being UK Plc….. | |||
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"Times will change and many more young people will vote against the results of Brexit even if it’s just so they can go on holiday more often. Is Brexit imposing limits on Britons' ability to go on holiday?" According to the Daily Express, Brits queue for up three hours longer for passports checks in countries like Spain while EU citizens get "preferential treatment." So it's having some effect on travel but it's not preferential. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet? "What's wrong with wanting what's best for Britain and British people? Why is that such an outlandish concept. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
What's wrong with wanting what's best for Britain and British people? Why is that such an outlandish concept."nothing wrong with it at all but the British people voted to leave so why is it you think the British people are wrong. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
What's wrong with wanting what's best for Britain and British people? Why is that such an outlandish concept. nothing wrong with it at all but the British people voted to leave so why is it you think the British people are wrong."Because of the reality of Brexit maybe? Lol. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better it's wheeled out as the media, government, and some leavers made a big deal about it.
Elwooed isn't banging about Brexit, other than to suggest the way we have brexited is could be reviewed. Is that not allowed ? Or can only people with (leaver) have a say in the future of our country on this issue ... ?"From a (prominent) leaver https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/prominent-brexiteer-daniel-hannan-admits-staying-in-single-market-would-have-saved-us-a-lot-of-trouble-41722813.html My takeaway * He sees staying in the SM would have made life easier * He would have preferred a Swiss style (what did the majority of leavers want? Does anyone know?) * We've paid a steep price to have full freedoms * And so should use these freedoms (which risks a bit of sunk cost fallacy) * Even tho its not clear we can actually use these freedoms to add value (see: recent trade deals) * Current approach will condem to long term poverty. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
What's wrong with wanting what's best for Britain and British people? Why is that such an outlandish concept. nothing wrong with it at all but the British people voted to leave so why is it you think the British people are wrong.
Because of the reality of Brexit maybe? Lol."and what is the reality what might not help you might be helping others so why should they care most people I no that voted for either way thought what was best for them not next door or how it would help those further down the Rd . | |||
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"The aviation industry has been hit hard, before companies would hire staff from eastern european countries as they can't get enough UK staff. " then they should have looked after there staff I have no sympathy for them they were helped enough to a point those that left won't go back. | |||
"The aviation industry has been hit hard, before companies would hire staff from eastern european countries as they can't get enough UK staff. " Europe is having the same problem so dont see how that would help. | |||
"The aviation industry has been hit hard, before companies would hire staff from eastern european countries as they can't get enough UK staff. Europe is having the same problem so dont see how that would help." No they are not. The Netherlands alone has a Union related issue but new here else are airlines struggling. | |||
"The aviation industry has been hit hard, before companies would hire staff from eastern european countries as they can't get enough UK staff. " . The airline industry can get enough staff. All European countries are suffering similar problems. The issue is how long it takes to get security clearance. | |||
"It's something I had forgotten about but now wonder for those that wish to rejoin would joining a federal European super state make you more or less likely to vote to rejoin (leaving aside the currency and deal)" I've always been up for a EU-wide federal super state. Call it "Europa" if you will. And I'd go further and strive for a Superpower. No borders between nations of Europa (only manned on the outer perimeter). No need for internal customs. Singular Federal Army Harmonised laws across Europa. | |||
"The aviation industry has been hit hard, before companies would hire staff from eastern european countries as they can't get enough UK staff. Europe is having the same problem so dont see how that would help. No they are not. The Netherlands alone has a Union related issue but new here else are airlines struggling." The Dutch unions called off their strike action last Tuesday. Huge problems at Schipol this weekend, and EuroNews is reporting ongoing problems in the airport sector. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
What's wrong with wanting what's best for Britain and British people? Why is that such an outlandish concept. nothing wrong with it at all but the British people voted to leave so why is it you think the British people are wrong.
Because of the reality of Brexit maybe? Lol.and what is the reality what might not help you might be helping others so why should they care most people I no that voted for either way thought what was best for them not next door or how it would help those further down the Rd ."Clutching at straws there. Brexit is a disaster for British people. We're just collateral damage to those at the top who benefitted. Anyway. Still think it's silly to try to ridicule people who want what's best for the country. | |||
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"It’s always interesting to see what the pro-government pro-brexit fabbers come up with as a salve for the problems they have created. The concept being that we voted for a nebulous freedom from foreign influence and that we just have to put up with the short term pain and look to the sunlit uplands that are just around the corner….allegedly. The reality is all the bold promises of saving our fishing industry, extra money for the NHS, great trade deals and stopping asylum seekers at the channel have all turned sour and that right turn has taken us down the road to stagnation. My kids have become politicised as a result and their viewpoint is that they are losing out because of some jingoistic claptrap. " I'm guessing either. 1. Brexit is great, nothing bad has happened. The complete denial of reality argument. This seems to be the most common one. 2. Blame someone else. The EU, Remainers, Corbyn, 1997 Labour, have all been popular scapegoats on here. | |||
" . The airline industry can get enough staff. All European countries are suffering similar problems. The issue is how long it takes to get security clearance. " British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2 and TUI are all short of staff - it’s all over the news. Ryanair and Jet2 have specifically laid the blame on Brexit and the FT reported that the airlines have been pleading with Grant Shapps to ease the burden of employing crew internationally. | |||
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"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better "It has been proven that they do know better . | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better "I missed this! "The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want" That's the funniest shit so far on this forum. You have to be on a wind up! Brexit was organised, planned for and solely benefits the establishment that paid (illegally) for it. Amazing. | |||
" . The airline industry can get enough staff. All European countries are suffering similar problems. The issue is how long it takes to get security clearance. British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2 and TUI are all short of staff - it’s all over the news. Ryanair and Jet2 have specifically laid the blame on Brexit and the FT reported that the airlines have been pleading with Grant Shapps to ease the burden of employing crew internationally. " Nothing to do with the airlines and airports being shut down for so long and people finding alternative employment then  The problem is security it takes ages to get clearance and they cant train people until they have.The solution is to do the training while waiting for the clearance.
Of course o'leary blames brexit he is an ardent remainer. | |||
" . The airline industry can get enough staff. All European countries are suffering similar problems. The issue is how long it takes to get security clearance. British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2 and TUI are all short of staff - it’s all over the news. Ryanair and Jet2 have specifically laid the blame on Brexit and the FT reported that the airlines have been pleading with Grant Shapps to ease the burden of employing crew internationally. Nothing to do with the airlines and airports being shut down for so long and people finding alternative employment then The problem is security it takes ages to get clearance and they cant train people until they have.The solution is to do the training while waiting for the clearance.
Of course o'leary blames brexit he is an ardent remainer. "So why do the airlines want to make recruiting internationally easier? Have you not actually noticed that there are massive shortage across all sectors? Farming, NHS, hospitality, aviation? Why do you think that might be? And please don't spout "higher wages" when we are already faced with the highest inflationary conditions that we have seen for 50 years. | |||
" . The airline industry can get enough staff. All European countries are suffering similar problems. The issue is how long it takes to get security clearance. British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2 and TUI are all short of staff - it’s all over the news. Ryanair and Jet2 have specifically laid the blame on Brexit and the FT reported that the airlines have been pleading with Grant Shapps to ease the burden of employing crew internationally. Nothing to do with the airlines and airports being shut down for so long and people finding alternative employment then The problem is security it takes ages to get clearance and they cant train people until they have.The solution is to do the training while waiting for the clearance.
Of course o'leary blames brexit he is an ardent remainer. "Micheal O’Leary is an Irish citizen, he didn’t vote in the 2016 referendum, he stated in 2019 that Brexit wouldn’t have an impact on Ryanair | |||
"Brexit consequences so far: lower trade and GDP, more immigration, weaker GBP, higher inflation, more taxation, less inward investment, weaker UK soft power/influence, restricted opportunities for young people, more (not less) red tape, queues at EU airports, problems in NI Is Brexit such a touchy subject that no one in the media can call Brexit out for what it really is? Total Bollocks" When the nation's favourite brexiter, "Lord" Dan Hannan, states that he never ruled out the idea of the UK retaining single market status, anybody who still advocates brexit was a good move should probably rethink and quickly follow that rat of the sinking ship too. | |||
"will they ever get over not getting what they wanted,how long are they going to stand there stamping their feet?
Why does this always get wheeled out; it’s meaningless. yeah just like blue passports I don’t know one person who voted leave so they could get a blue passport yet it’s wheeled out constantly on here.The people made a decision which the establishment didn’t want and tried everything to overturn it.They will constantly bang on about brexit just as T Elwood (remainer) is doing at the moment because they cannot stand the fact that the people wanted something they didn’t .Just a bunch of arrogant pricks who think they know better "Always ALWAYS follow the money. Without a shadow of a doubt, some people are doing, and will do, very well out of Brexit. The result for them is a dream come true. What should matter is whether they are the majority or the minority. I think even the most ardent brexiters are starting to know the answer to this one. | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong!" Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. " Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? " Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely " PMSL | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely PMSL "Go on, explain how they want to join to be a net contributor | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely PMSL
Go on, explain how they want to join to be a net contributor "Ukraine is the bread basket of the world. They produce huge amounts of wheat, sunflower oil and barley, all essential to modern food production so I think they are more than capable of contributing to the EU! | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely PMSL
Go on, explain how they want to join to be a net contributor
Ukraine is the bread basket of the world. They produce huge amounts of wheat, sunflower oil and barley, all essential to modern food production so I think they are more than capable of contributing to the EU!"If that proves to be the case, I genuinely wish them well but it does beg the question why they haven't been fast tracked | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely PMSL
Go on, explain how they want to join to be a net contributor
Ukraine is the bread basket of the world. They produce huge amounts of wheat, sunflower oil and barley, all essential to modern food production so I think they are more than capable of contributing to the EU!"When the war ends it is going to cost quite a bit to rebuild the country. Hopefully as they have suggested the frozen Russian money can go towards the cost. With or without that money the EU would be ideal for them to fund it. I suspect they will be a net benefactor financially but that is just a guess as I do not know how it works. | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely PMSL
Go on, explain how they want to join to be a net contributor
Ukraine is the bread basket of the world. They produce huge amounts of wheat, sunflower oil and barley, all essential to modern food production so I think they are more than capable of contributing to the EU!
If that proves to be the case, I genuinely wish them well but it does beg the question why they haven't been fast tracked"It's very difficult to join the EU there are a lot of standards to meet, not just producing food. Pretty much any and every country is desperate to join. | |||
"Brexiteers so far? 1 Referendum 2 Result 3 We left EU That's it end of debate Whatever way you voted or feel...it is over. Get used to it. Get on with it. There is zero chance of going back. Wrong! Wrong, when the dust settles in Ukraine the EU or what is left of it or if it actually exists, will need to take a good long look at how it operates, with Pro Russian rallies in many states inc Germany, the future EU survival is looking very unlikely. Haha, what utter bollocks, if that is the case why is the Ukraine trying to join the EU? Probably because they can get more out than they put it? Cynical but likely PMSL
Go on, explain how they want to join to be a net contributor
Ukraine is the bread basket of the world. They produce huge amounts of wheat, sunflower oil and barley, all essential to modern food production so I think they are more than capable of contributing to the EU!
If that proves to be the case, I genuinely wish them well but it does beg the question why they haven't been fast tracked
It's very difficult to join the EU there are a lot of standards to meet, not just producing food.
Pretty much any and every country is desperate to join."Yes, but Germany failed it's own rules, as did Greece yet both are EU members | |||
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"'when the war is over, the EU will do' what a quote, for the EU to do anything that would need the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out back over their side of border. If that don't happen 'Putin the Great' is now clearly hell bent on taking back other parts of Europe. If the EU don't stop pampering to him, the EU is over. In two years time I predict the EU will be either non existant or at war, considering they don't have an army, it's not going to be the latter. " I though the EU army was inevitable.... Or even here. I'm glad Putin will respect Brexit and leave us be. | |||
"'when the war is over, the EU will do' what a quote, for the EU to do anything that would need the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out back over their side of border. If that don't happen 'Putin the Great' is now clearly hell bent on taking back other parts of Europe. If the EU don't stop pampering to him, the EU is over. In two years time I predict the EU will be either non existant or at war, considering they don't have an army, it's not going to be the latter. " The brextremists make by far the funniest posts on these forums. | |||
"'when the war is over, the EU will do' what a quote, for the EU to do anything that would need the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out back over their side of border. If that don't happen 'Putin the Great' is now clearly hell bent on taking back other parts of Europe. If the EU don't stop pampering to him, the EU is over. In two years time I predict the EU will be either non existant or at war, considering they don't have an army, it's not going to be the latter. " So your predicting the EU are going to be at war , but they can’t be at war because they don’t have an army? | |||
"'when the war is over, the EU will do' what a quote, for the EU to do anything that would need the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out back over their side of border. If that don't happen 'Putin the Great' is now clearly hell bent on taking back other parts of Europe. If the EU don't stop pampering to him, the EU is over. In two years time I predict the EU will be either non existant or at war, considering they don't have an army, it's not going to be the latter. The brextremists make by far the funniest posts on these forums." They remind me of the MAGA trump fantasists, | |||
"'when the war is over, the EU will do' what a quote, for the EU to do anything that would need the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out back over their side of border. If that don't happen 'Putin the Great' is now clearly hell bent on taking back other parts of Europe. If the EU don't stop pampering to him, the EU is over. In two years time I predict the EU will be either non existant or at war, considering they don't have an army, it's not going to be the latter. The brextremists make by far the funniest posts on these forums. They remind me of the MAGA trump fantasists, "I assume a Venn diagram between people who think brexit is a good idea, and who think Trump is a good guy, is pretty much a circle. | |||
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"Remoaners still whinging like little bitches. " Brexit is still an ever growing problem. | |||
"Remoaners still whinging like little bitches. Brexit is still an ever growing problem. "Worth it to wind up those who don't like democracy. | |||
"Remoaners still whinging like little bitches. Brexit is still an ever growing problem.
Worth it to wind up those who don't like democracy."I’m sorry who doesn’t like democracy? I’m confused also these Remoaners where do they congregate?,In the same place as the USA trade deal? | |||
"Remoaners still whinging like little bitches. Brexit is still an ever growing problem.
Worth it to wind up those who don't like democracy."Fool people into ruining the economy with illegally funded campaigns. Just to wind up people who understand the impact of brexit. Amazing. Fair play to you for being honest about hating the UK and hating British people. | |||
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"We need a realignment of Brexit, we got what we wanted but we need to reset our relationship. It cannot be trusted to these idiots in charge at the moment, always confrontational, always sabre rattling, instead of trying to achieve consensus. We are being held hostage by a minority of Brexit Ultras, and they have no solutions. It’s true what they say, once Europe is out of the picture, it puts these clowns front and centre which exposes their incompetence even more." Who will deliver this realignment? | |||
"We need a realignment of Brexit, we got what we wanted but we need to reset our relationship. It cannot be trusted to these idiots in charge at the moment, always confrontational, always sabre rattling, instead of trying to achieve consensus. We are being held hostage by a minority of Brexit Ultras, and they have no solutions. It’s true what they say, once Europe is out of the picture, it puts these clowns front and centre which exposes their incompetence even more. Who will deliver this realignment?" Are you interviewing for the position? | |||
"We need a realignment of Brexit, we got what we wanted but we need to reset our relationship. It cannot be trusted to these idiots in charge at the moment, always confrontational, always sabre rattling, instead of trying to achieve consensus. We are being held hostage by a minority of Brexit Ultras, and they have no solutions. It’s true what they say, once Europe is out of the picture, it puts these clowns front and centre which exposes their incompetence even more." As compared to the EU incompetence, and backstabbers they truly are - rushing to buy fossil fuels from Russia during the invasion of Ukraine. Several EU states have just been exposed by the world trade markets. Macron was one of them, no wonder the slime ball is right up Putins hoop. Maybe now is the time Boris does a deal with Putin if they agree to stop at Dover. Europe is faced with aggression and threats that are likely to become reality, and the spineless EU can't unite in the face of it. Russia knows the EU will be eroded and the states will become individual countries and Russia will then pick off the countries they want. Glad we are shot of the spineless and indecisive money pit. | |||
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"We need a realignment of Brexit, we got what we wanted but we need to reset our relationship. It cannot be trusted to these idiots in charge at the moment, always confrontational, always sabre rattling, instead of trying to achieve consensus. We are being held hostage by a minority of Brexit Ultras, and they have no solutions. It’s true what they say, once Europe is out of the picture, it puts these clowns front and centre which exposes their incompetence even more. As compared to the EU incompetence, and backstabbers they truly are - rushing to buy fossil fuels from Russia during the invasion of Ukraine. Several EU states have just been exposed by the world trade markets. Macron was one of them, no wonder the slime ball is right up Putins hoop. Maybe now is the time Boris does a deal with Putin if they agree to stop at Dover. Europe is faced with aggression and threats that are likely to become reality, and the spineless EU can't unite in the face of it. Russia knows the EU will be eroded and the states will become individual countries and Russia will then pick off the countries they want. Glad we are shot of the spineless and indecisive money pit. " Blimey….and I thought I was “Mr Angry”…. | |||
"We need a realignment of Brexit, we got what we wanted but we need to reset our relationship. It cannot be trusted to these idiots in charge at the moment, always confrontational, always sabre rattling, instead of trying to achieve consensus. We are being held hostage by a minority of Brexit Ultras, and they have no solutions. It’s true what they say, once Europe is out of the picture, it puts these clowns front and centre which exposes their incompetence even more. As compared to the EU incompetence, and backstabbers they truly are - rushing to buy fossil fuels from Russia during the invasion of Ukraine. Several EU states have just been exposed by the world trade markets. Macron was one of them, no wonder the slime ball is right up Putins hoop. Maybe now is the time Boris does a deal with Putin if they agree to stop at Dover. Europe is faced with aggression and threats that are likely to become reality, and the spineless EU can't unite in the face of it. Russia knows the EU will be eroded and the states will become individual countries and Russia will then pick off the countries they want. Glad we are shot of the spineless and indecisive money pit. Blimey….and I thought I was “Mr Angry”…. "And therein lies the rub: Brexit seems to have been primarily an emotional response to the question rather than an intellectual response. | |||
"It’s always interesting to see what the pro-government pro-brexit fabbers come up with as a salve for the problems they have created. The concept being that we voted for a nebulous freedom from foreign influence and that we just have to put up with the short term pain and look to the sunlit uplands that are just around the corner….allegedly. The reality is all the bold promises of saving our fishing industry, extra money for the NHS, great trade deals and stopping asylum seekers at the channel have all turned sour and that right turn has taken us down the road to stagnation. My kids have become politicised as a result and their viewpoint is that they are losing out because of some jingoistic claptrap. " Silly, silly. Brexit WAS apolitical. I voted for Brexit in the referendum. I did NOT vote for a Tory government. On reflection it is now obvious Cameron's govt did not think Brexit would get the majority vote and therefore no plans for it were mandated. Oddly enough I didn't get any leave propaganda literature, only remain and supposedly neutral. I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain . | |||
"'when the war is over, the EU will do' what a quote, for the EU to do anything that would need the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out back over their side of border. If that don't happen 'Putin the Great' is now clearly hell bent on taking back other parts of Europe. If the EU don't stop pampering to him, the EU is over. In two years time I predict the EU will be either non existant or at war, considering they don't have an army, it's not going to be the latter. The brextremists make by far the funniest posts on these forums. They remind me of the MAGA trump fantasists,
I assume a Venn diagram between people who think brexit is a good idea, and who think Trump is a good guy, is pretty much a circle."  | |||
"It’s always interesting to see what the pro-government pro-brexit fabbers come up with as a salve for the problems they have created. The concept being that we voted for a nebulous freedom from foreign influence and that we just have to put up with the short term pain and look to the sunlit uplands that are just around the corner….allegedly. The reality is all the bold promises of saving our fishing industry, extra money for the NHS, great trade deals and stopping asylum seekers at the channel have all turned sour and that right turn has taken us down the road to stagnation. My kids have become politicised as a result and their viewpoint is that they are losing out because of some jingoistic claptrap. Silly, silly. Brexit WAS apolitical. I voted for Brexit in the referendum. I did NOT vote for a Tory government. On reflection it is now obvious Cameron's govt did not think Brexit would get the majority vote and therefore no plans for it were mandated. Oddly enough I didn't get any leave propaganda literature, only remain and supposedly neutral. I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain ."Oh no. | |||
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" I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain ."Jim Radcliffe, Britain's richest man, is a Brexiter. So are many, many other millionaire or billionaires. | |||
" I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain .
Jim Radcliffe, Britain's richest man, is a Brexiter. So are many, many other millionaire or billionaires.
"I mean, brexit was explicitly for the benefit of the top 0.01%, at the expense of ordinary Britons. Although props to the poster for admitting they were duped. | |||
" I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain .
Jim Radcliffe, Britain's richest man, is a Brexiter. So are many, many other millionaire or billionaires.
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"Remoaners still whinging like little bitches. Brexit is still an ever growing problem.
Worth it to wind up those who don't like democracy."So the fact that most people now think it’s a mess and would vote the other way isn’t democracy? Also democracy is Freedom to protest. What isn’t democracy is the lies peddled by the media and Boris. Shame so many people are now seeing the reality hit and that Johnny Foreigner wasn’t the problem. The uk government is. Worst growth highest inflation business burdened with massive added costs. Not enough workers , queues at borders airports higher transport costs , more red tape and paperwork to export, the list goes on and on. So democracy says fuck this mess let’s see if we can do this differently snd change something. Your version of democracy is everything must stay the same so we would all be living in Tudor houses with a bucket for a bathroom. | |||
"It’s always interesting to see what the pro-government pro-brexit fabbers come up with as a salve for the problems they have created. The concept being that we voted for a nebulous freedom from foreign influence and that we just have to put up with the short term pain and look to the sunlit uplands that are just around the corner….allegedly. The reality is all the bold promises of saving our fishing industry, extra money for the NHS, great trade deals and stopping asylum seekers at the channel have all turned sour and that right turn has taken us down the road to stagnation. My kids have become politicised as a result and their viewpoint is that they are losing out because of some jingoistic claptrap. Silly, silly. Brexit WAS apolitical. I voted for Brexit in the referendum. I did NOT vote for a Tory government. On reflection it is now obvious Cameron's govt did not think Brexit would get the majority vote and therefore no plans for it were mandated. Oddly enough I didn't get any leave propaganda literature, only remain and supposedly neutral. I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain ."does mean /s ? Eg satire/sarcasm ? | |||
" I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain .
Jim Radcliffe, Britain's richest man, is a Brexiter. So are many, many other millionaire or billionaires.
"Careful with these facts buddy, don't want to trigger anyone here. | |||
" I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain .
Jim Radcliffe, Britain's richest man, is a Brexiter. So are many, many other millionaire or billionaires.
"And all probably have homes in other countries? | |||
" I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain .
Jim Radcliffe, Britain's richest man, is a Brexiter. So are many, many other millionaire or billionaires.
And all probably have homes in other countries? "And business, and wealth that they don’t pay U.K. taxes on, and passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of. Rich people convincing poorer people to find their lifestyles is nothing new. | |||
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"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of." In what way? | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of. In what way?" Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement. | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of." "In what way?" "Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement. " Oh. So not special passports, just having more than one. | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of. In what way? Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement. Oh. So not special passports, just having more than one." Yes. You would assume their passports are otherwise the same as ours. However, it’s likely to be easier to secure a passport from a country when you have millions / billions to bring to the table. It’s one of the reasons why there are lots of wealthy Russians (and others) in London. | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of. In what way? Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement. Oh. So not special passports, just having more than one." who called them special ? | |||
"It’s always interesting to see what the pro-government pro-brexit fabbers come up with as a salve for the problems they have created. The concept being that we voted for a nebulous freedom from foreign influence and that we just have to put up with the short term pain and look to the sunlit uplands that are just around the corner….allegedly. The reality is all the bold promises of saving our fishing industry, extra money for the NHS, great trade deals and stopping asylum seekers at the channel have all turned sour and that right turn has taken us down the road to stagnation. My kids have become politicised as a result and their viewpoint is that they are losing out because of some jingoistic claptrap. Silly, silly. Brexit WAS apolitical. I voted for Brexit in the referendum. I did NOT vote for a Tory government. On reflection it is now obvious Cameron's govt did not think Brexit would get the majority vote and therefore no plans for it were mandated. Oddly enough I didn't get any leave propaganda literature, only remain and supposedly neutral. I voted leave cos the capitalists wanted to remain . does mean /s ? Eg satire/sarcasm ? "Satire. It had a bearing but being old enough to have seen the common market evolve beyond trade, I wanted change. Change is opposite to "conserve" and there lay my political persuasions. | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of." "In what way?" "Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement." "Oh. So not special passports, just having more than one." "who called them special ?" I interpreted "travel freely in ways we can only dream of" as meaning that they get some sort of special treatment at borders. Just being able to enter the EU on an EU passport doesn't seem like an unreachable dream. | |||
"We need a realignment of Brexit, we got what we wanted but we need to reset our relationship. It cannot be trusted to these idiots in charge at the moment, always confrontational, always sabre rattling, instead of trying to achieve consensus. We are being held hostage by a minority of Brexit Ultras, and they have no solutions. It’s true what they say, once Europe is out of the picture, it puts these clowns front and centre which exposes their incompetence even more. Who will deliver this realignment? Are you interviewing for the position?" I was asking the question as my vote is up for grabs and I was interested what party will deliver this realignment | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of. In what way? Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement. Oh. So not special passports, just having more than one. who called them special ? I interpreted "travel freely in ways we can only dream of" as meaning that they get some sort of special treatment at borders. Just being able to enter the EU on an EU passport doesn't seem like an unreachable dream." Hopefully not My guess is we will get gradually close and close to the EU economically until we’re pretty much back in a similar (but not as beneficial) position as before. It’s almost inevitable given the necessary trade relationship. | |||
"... passports that allow them to travel freely in ways we can only dream of. In what way? Well, several Brexit protagonists hold passports of EU countries which allow them to retain freedom of movement. Oh. So not special passports, just having more than one. who called them special ? I interpreted "travel freely in ways we can only dream of" as meaning that they get some sort of special treatment at borders. Just being able to enter the EU on an EU passport doesn't seem like an unreachable dream." how do I go about getting those same freedoms on my UK one ? or is HMG on this for me. (I'm sure you know what freedoms they are talking about. Unless I'm mistaken that a French passport doesn't give FoM) | |||
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"Was listening to a lady on LBC yesterday on a Brexit debate. She had a small online business with most of her customers in Europe. She is now closing down the business because of all the extra costs and bureaucracy. When she approached the government for advice, she was told to sell her good through Amazon Europe. Thought Brexit was meant to help small businesses, not make the conglomerates even richer." It was never meant to help British businesses. It's just sad that people believed that. | |||
"Brexit consequences so far: lower trade and GDP, more immigration, weaker GBP, higher inflation, more taxation, less inward investment, weaker UK soft power/influence, restricted opportunities for young people, more (not less) red tape, queues at EU airports, problems in NI Is Brexit such a touchy subject that no one in the media can call Brexit out for what it really is? Total Bollocks" still hurting after 6 years, happy 6th anniversary! | |||
"Brexit consequences so far: lower trade and GDP, more immigration, weaker GBP, higher inflation, more taxation, less inward investment, weaker UK soft power/influence, restricted opportunities for young people, more (not less) red tape, queues at EU airports, problems in NI Is Brexit such a touchy subject that no one in the media can call Brexit out for what it really is? Total Bollocks still hurting after 6 years, happy 6th anniversary!"
Brexit will hurt Britain and British people for decades.
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"Brexit consequences so far: lower trade and GDP, more immigration, weaker GBP, higher inflation, more taxation, less inward investment, weaker UK soft power/influence, restricted opportunities for young people, more (not less) red tape, queues at EU airports, problems in NI Is Brexit such a touchy subject that no one in the media can call Brexit out for what it really is? Total Bollocks still hurting after 6 years, happy 6th anniversary!" Have you been to the ‘Festival of Brexit ‘ ? | |||
"upsides lol…. This week’s LSE report concludes Brexit has made us poorer and damaged our economy. " Have you considered the crown symbol on the pint glass pro-brexit top trump? Worth wrecking the economy for, I think you'll agree.  | |||
"upsides lol…. This week’s LSE report concludes Brexit has made us poorer and damaged our economy. Have you considered the crown symbol on the pint glass pro-brexit top trump? Worth wrecking the economy for, I think you'll agree. "Oh it's even worse than that. The EU never banned us from using the crown symbol on pints. It's as if Brexit was for nothing... | |||
"upsides lol…. This week’s LSE report concludes Brexit has made us poorer and damaged our economy. Have you considered the crown symbol on the pint glass pro-brexit top trump? Worth wrecking the economy for, I think you'll agree.
Oh it's even worse than that. The EU never banned us from using the crown symbol on pints. It's as if Brexit was for nothing..."There was some benefit or other about more single use plastic for fizzy wine. Maybe that was worth wrecking the economy for? | |||
"The aviation industry has been hit hard, before companies would hire staff from eastern european countries as they can't get enough UK staff. . The airline industry can get enough staff. All European countries are suffering similar problems. The issue is how long it takes to get security clearance. " I worked for a ground handling company at Gatwick, they actively recruited in Eastern Europe. The induction classes started at 30 plus people, once they saw how hard they had to work, what shift patterns they had to do, there was only the eastern europeans and a couple of uk people there. Brexit stopped the companies actively recruiting their. There is the additional pain of the company wanting to cut wages, as several of the guys who left the airport at the begining of the pandemic, where offered a job with a lot less than they used to get paid. So it is not just Brexit to blame, but it is certainly making a lot harder. | |||
"Exponential Red tape, crops rotting in the fields, half a million businesses on the brink, Kent a Lorry Park permanently, Thousands still coming across the channel despite taking back control and regression at Airports. Has anything improved because of Brexit? " Yes it has, and I'm sure someone will come along and tell you what's improved. Just don't hold your breath | |||
