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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
Apparently they are bringing back the imperial measurements again. Most people of course can recognise this for what it is, just a timely political action and diversion tactic. It's taken kids and most adults for that matter years to get to grips with metric measurements so should we start confusing everyone one again especially as the intention is to let them coexist  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities."
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But will it be imperial or American imperial? Personally I can flip from metric to imperial & back easily, both systems have advantages - plus we all still think of our height & weight in imperial.
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The metric system was introduced in 1965 but the imperial never really went away, we still buy beer by the pint, measure a cars fuel consumption in miles per gallon, speed in miles per hour and guys try to brag about cock size in inches |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The only imperial we use is miles when talking about speed or distance in a car, and even then we need to convert it if we want to talk about anything else in relation to it. It's more a label than a measurement, and they should've switched the signs a long time ago.
Weight switched to kilos a while back, I think everyone at the gym uses kilos - it's so much easier than, what, pounds, ounces and stone? How do those measurements even relate to each other?
Pints are what you call a beer rather than a measurement. And they're different sizes in different countries 
No clue why anyone would be pleased about this tbh. The last decade of "progress" seems to have been about rolling back progress for.. what, sentimental reasons? |
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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
Here are some approximate values for anyone who is keen to return to the imperial measurements, whatever their reasons might be.
1 stone = 14 pound = 6.4 kg
1 pound =16 oz = 453 g
1 oz = 28 g
1 kilo =2.2 pounds
1 kilo = 1000 grams
1 yard = 3 ft
1ft = 12 inches = 30 cm
1 inch = 2.5 cm
1 mile = 1760 yards = 1.6 km
1km = 1000m
1m = 100cm
1cm = 10mm
1 gallon = 8 pints = 4.5 litres
1 pint = 568 ml
1 litre = 1000 ml
PS. Some of the conversions are approximate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can use either but I prefer making things in metric..I think going back would be a huge mistake. Even the Yanks had to put their own spin on imperial.. |
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"Who said that was hard? Nobody yet anyway. The surprising thing is why would anyone want to go back to imperial when everyone and especially kids are mow used to metric. "
Yep. Heard the sound bite and horrified. Why the flip would anyone want to go back. Madness |
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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
"Who said that was hard? Nobody yet anyway. The surprising thing is why would anyone want to go back to imperial when everyone and especially kids are mow used to metric.
Yep. Heard the sound bite and horrified. Why the flip would anyone want to go back. Madness"
 obviously politics to some are more important than common sense |
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"Lipstick on a pig.
I am only a simple man. Is that supposed to mean something? What am I missing? "
It's when you dress something up something a bit shit.
Brexit has been a bit shit, Johnson is even having to reneg on the agreement.
But hey, it's all ok, because he's bringing back the imperial measurements so older Brexit voters can rejoice! Whoop!
Different weight system. Still a disaster so far. Lipstick on a pig. |
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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
"Lipstick on a pig.
I am only a simple man. Is that supposed to mean something? What am I missing?
It's when you dress something up something a bit shit.
Brexit has been a bit shit, Johnson is even having to reneg on the agreement.
But hey, it's all ok, because he's bringing back the imperial measurements so older Brexit voters can rejoice! Whoop!
Different weight system. Still a disaster so far. Lipstick on a pig. "
Oh, I see. Thanks for explaining. The brain got stuck obviously |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who said that was hard? Nobody yet anyway. The surprising thing is why would anyone want to go back to imperial when everyone and especially kids are mow used to metric. "
If that was in reply to me I seen the article yesterday and loads of the older generation were saying they didn’t understand metric. |
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So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Two things that annoy me.
When it's hot, they give the temperature in Fahrenheit. When it's cold, they give it in centigrade.
Cars' fuel consumption is always by miles per gallon, petrol is sold by the litre. |
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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
"Who said that was hard? Nobody yet anyway. The surprising thing is why would anyone want to go back to imperial when everyone and especially kids are mow used to metric.
If that was in reply to me I seen the article yesterday and loads of the older generation were saying they didn’t understand metric. "
No, I appreciate that of course as surrounded by older people who find that difficult but I don't think politics should come into this. A lot of the younger generation struggle already with 'maths' and measurements so no need really for even further confusion in my opinion. |
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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
"Two things that annoy me.
When it's hot, they give the temperature in Fahrenheit. When it's cold, they give it in centigrade.
Cars' fuel consumption is always by miles per gallon, petrol is sold by the litre."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
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Buys a kilo of flour
A litre of water
Measures carpets in metres squared
500ml bottles of pop
Even alcohol by the centilitre
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
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Those aren't generic measurements to most people under 30-40 years old. 8oz is just "a steak" at a restaurant, but if you're at home you're gonna measure out your portions in grams. 35k feet is just what people tell us the planes fly at, but we're not exactly out there getting out the ruler and checking are we.
(a double whiskey is 50ml or 70ml, depending on the bar, and has been for decades)
I don't want to measure my bedroom in diagonal TVs, or work out how many of them are in a square foot. There's no sense to any of these measurements, they were made for a time when accurate measurements weren't possible and computers didn't exist.
Metric is a better measurement, and the only reason we're going back is because there is a large enough group of old people that don't give a fuck what kind of mess they leave behind so long as they can avoid learning how to count to fucking ten. |
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"So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
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We measure in units of "cow", i.e one cow; half a cow etc
I can't walk, so don't bother measuring
I fly by aeroplane, but I believe others go by broomstick and they fly at "chimney pot height"
Mr KCs is 7.5, so again, not able to relate to that example, sorry
I drink tea by the mug (size varies depending who bestowed the mug upon us)
I weigh an unspecified number of kilos 
Height - Mr KC is about as long as one standard double bed. I'm shorter than that.
We buy eggs by the box, dunno about you?
Our TV is about the size of a postage stamp (a regular one, not a Christmas special)
We don't drink alcohol 
My trousers are generally size 16. But that means entirely different things, depending on the shop that sells them |
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By *ryandsee OP Man
over a year ago
Yorkshire |
"Maybe we should have a referendum... They always work out really well. "
But we need to make up some figures first to grab the limelight. How much are we going to save and if its going to the NHS or not and of course we need a bus too |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are 3 countries in the world who do not officially use the metric system. USA, Libya and Myanmar.
Anyone who considers this a step forward needs to think about that fact.
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"There are 3 countries in the world who do not officially use the metric system. USA, Libya and Myanmar.
Anyone who considers this a step forward needs to think about that fact.
Mr"
USA doesn't count, they use kilometers for speed, and long distance distances... but for short distances they use thousands of an inch not millimeters and microns, strange people... they also put white gravy on biscuits! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are 3 countries in the world who do not officially use the metric system. USA, Libya and Myanmar.
Anyone who considers this a step forward needs to think about that fact.
Mr
USA doesn't count, they use kilometers for speed, and long distance distances... but for short distances they use thousands of an inch not millimeters and microns, strange people... they also put white gravy on biscuits! "
Tbf we have a pretty mixed bag too but the US isn't a country to emulate.
Besides, they nearly crashed an airliner full of passengers and did crash billions of dollars worth of Martian probe thanks to the mix of units.
Mr |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you can count and stand up unaided, chances are, whatever spurious changes are afoot won't be an issue in your life unless you choose them to be. Simple as that. |
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"If you can count and stand up unaided, chances are, whatever spurious changes are afoot won't be an issue in your life unless you choose them to be. Simple as that."
Ummmmmmmmm, what if you CAN'T stand up unaided?! |
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"So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
Those aren't generic measurements to most people under 30-40 years old. 8oz is just "a steak" at a restaurant, but if you're at home you're gonna measure out your portions in grams. 35k feet is just what people tell us the planes fly at, but we're not exactly out there getting out the ruler and checking are we.
(a double whiskey is 50ml or 70ml, depending on the bar, and has been for decades)
I don't want to measure my bedroom in diagonal TVs, or work out how many of them are in a square foot. There's no sense to any of these measurements, they were made for a time when accurate measurements weren't possible and computers didn't exist.
Metric is a better measurement, and the only reason we're going back is because there is a large enough group of old people that don't give a fuck what kind of mess they leave behind so long as they can avoid learning how to count to fucking ten."
How the hell did the victorians ever build stuff if they didn’t have an accurate measurement system, they used the imperial system not the metric one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Brilliant, finally my socket set will come back into good use. It has metric, imperial, also something called whitworth?? Or something like that on them "
Whitworth is totally messed up. Originally a 1/2" Whit spanner fitted a bolt with 1/2" Whit thread. At some point (possibly during the war to save metal, I can't remember the exact story) the bolt head size was reduced so the size on older spanners doesn't match the bolt while newer (and that's a very relative term) should. This is because the size on the spanner relates to the diameter of the thread on the bolt, not the actual head size so if you want to know the right size spanner you need to identify the thread size, not simply measure the head which is a pain if the bolt is done up and you can't see the thread.
These days it's very rare to come across Whit threads as they are an old British imperial thread. UNC/UNF are not that unusual being American and still used widely over there and I believe, like metric fasteners, the spanners are marked with the across flats size not the thread size.
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"So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
Those aren't generic measurements to most people under 30-40 years old. 8oz is just "a steak" at a restaurant, but if you're at home you're gonna measure out your portions in grams. 35k feet is just what people tell us the planes fly at, but we're not exactly out there getting out the ruler and checking are we.
(a double whiskey is 50ml or 70ml, depending on the bar, and has been for decades)
I don't want to measure my bedroom in diagonal TVs, or work out how many of them are in a square foot. There's no sense to any of these measurements, they were made for a time when accurate measurements weren't possible and computers didn't exist.
Metric is a better measurement, and the only reason we're going back is because there is a large enough group of old people that don't give a fuck what kind of mess they leave behind so long as they can avoid learning how to count to fucking ten.
How the hell did the victorians ever build stuff if they didn’t have an accurate measurement system, they used the imperial system not the metric one."
The ancient Egyptians managed to cut thousands of identically sized blocks of stone to build the pyramids without a decent tape measure so i'm sure the Victorians got by just fine using a yard stick with 1/32" increments, also the ancient Greek Antikythera mechanism is ridiculously accurate considering when it was made. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How the hell did the victorians ever build stuff if they didn’t have an accurate measurement system, they used the imperial system not the metric one."
Well they fucked up more imperial weights and measures can be as accurate, but working with them often wasn't - people just fuck up calculations more often because they're more complex, and couldn't solve problems as quickly without referring to conversion tables.
High-precision industries moved to metric because it gave them a competitive advantage. As an example, the US actually doesn't work in imperial, once you get into anything that really matters - it's all being converted to metric measurements at the back-end.
Imperial weights and measures are mostly kept around because people's identities are so shallow that a change in measurement system throws them into a nosedive |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"The metric system was introduced in 1965 but the imperial never really went away, we still buy beer by the pint, measure a cars fuel consumption in miles per gallon, speed in miles per hour and guys try to brag about cock size in inches"
and the record industry still counts in 7 and 12 inches. Cars are miles to the gallon, how far will I get from a plastic jerry can of fuel?
Car engines are metric, mountain bike wheels are inches, road bikes are metric 650c or 700c, so you can tell which contingent is calling the shots.
Uzi 9 milimeter? Verses 20 inch shells, even the arms dealers are split, then again, their industry is based on arguments....WAR!
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"...also something called whitworth??"
Joseph Whitworth came up with the first thread standard back in the victorian era, his standard was later used as the basis for several British standards. Eventually only coarse threads were still regularly defined as Whitworth. I have some on my old BSA motorbike.
My father was an engineer, hence I have a great deal of completely useless knowledge on subjects like this I also know how to use a slide rule |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
As for US and Imperial, it's not the same, the UK pint is bigger than the us pint
The British Imperial pint is 568.261 ml (20 fluid ounces), while the US Customary pint is 473.176 ml (16 fl oz).
That would cheer up Al Murray. |
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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago
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"The metric system was introduced in 1965 but the imperial never really went away, we still buy beer by the pint, measure a cars fuel consumption in miles per gallon, speed in miles per hour and guys try to brag about cock size in inches
and the record industry still counts in 7 and 12 inches. Cars are miles to the gallon, how far will I get from a plastic jerry can of fuel?
Car engines are metric, mountain bike wheels are inches, road bikes are metric 650c or 700c, so you can tell which contingent is calling the shots.
Uzi 9 milimeter? Verses 20 inch shells, even the arms dealers are split, then again, their industry is based on arguments....WAR!
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Try car tyres. Measured in mm, inches and a percentage. |
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"The metric system was introduced in 1965 but the imperial never really went away, we still buy beer by the pint, measure a cars fuel consumption in miles per gallon, speed in miles per hour and guys try to brag about cock size in inches
and the record industry still counts in 7 and 12 inches. Cars are miles to the gallon, how far will I get from a plastic jerry can of fuel?
Car engines are metric, mountain bike wheels are inches, road bikes are metric 650c or 700c, so you can tell which contingent is calling the shots.
Uzi 9 milimeter? Verses 20 inch shells, even the arms dealers are split, then again, their industry is based on arguments....WAR!
Try car tyres. Measured in mm, inches and a percentage. "
Don't forget the speed rating too |
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"As for US and Imperial, it's not the same, the UK pint is bigger than the us pint
The British Imperial pint is 568.261 ml (20 fluid ounces), while the US Customary pint is 473.176 ml (16 fl oz).
That would cheer up Al Murray."
Is their 2 by 4 the same as our 4 by2 |
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"As for US and Imperial, it's not the same, the UK pint is bigger than the us pint
The British Imperial pint is 568.261 ml (20 fluid ounces), while the US Customary pint is 473.176 ml (16 fl oz).
That would cheer up Al Murray.
Is their 2 by 4 the same as our 4 by2"
No. Theirs is far sweeter than ours |
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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago
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"As for US and Imperial, it's not the same, the UK pint is bigger than the us pint
The British Imperial pint is 568.261 ml (20 fluid ounces), while the US Customary pint is 473.176 ml (16 fl oz).
That would cheer up Al Murray.
Is their 2 by 4 the same as our 4 by2
No. Theirs is far sweeter than ours "
Is that because they use more cherry trees in lumber production? |
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"As for US and Imperial, it's not the same, the UK pint is bigger than the us pint
The British Imperial pint is 568.261 ml (20 fluid ounces), while the US Customary pint is 473.176 ml (16 fl oz).
That would cheer up Al Murray.
Is their 2 by 4 the same as our 4 by2
No. Theirs is far sweeter than ours
Is that because they use more cherry trees in lumber production?"
Yes. There's more fructose syrup in American timber |
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I hate to spoil all the fun, but the government are not bringing back imperial measurements.
What they are doing is setting up a committee to look at whether we want to change all those EU-imposed rules that said we weren't allowed to sell things in imperial measurements.
They will probably conclude that everything is just fine as it is, and that we should carry on the way we are. |
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"They will probably conclude that everything is just fine as it is, and that we should carry on the way we are."
After they have paid their friends in the consultancy businesses millions to reach those conclusions... |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"3 feet in a metre roughly you can’t go wrong from there "
You would go wrong pretty quickly! 3 feet = 36 inches. 1 metre = 39 inches. So within 4 metres you are already 1 foot out!
It’s a complete load of stupid nostalgic rubbish! Completely pointless. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I hate to spoil all the fun, but the government are not bringing back imperial measurements.
What they are doing is setting up a committee to look at whether we want to change all those EU-imposed rules that said we weren't allowed to sell things in imperial measurements.
They will probably conclude that everything is just fine as it is, and that we should carry on the way we are."
Except that is not true is it! The EU imposed no such thing. The move to metric was a sovereign decision that took place way before the EU as we now know it even existed. The facts are all out there. The internet is pretty easy to use |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Seeing as the older generation love it so much maybe we can revert to paying them a nice shiny sixpence a week for their pension. I’m sure they will be delighted.
We could also get those eight year old working back in the factories for a shilling a week.
Think of the economic boost. Now that would be Brexit benefit worth having.
Or just maybe we could get a decent competent government elected and end this constant bullshit, upturns, and dead cats. But what do I know. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Seeing as the older generation love it so much maybe we can revert to paying them a nice shiny sixpence a week for their pension. I’m sure they will be delighted.
We could also get those eight year old working back in the factories for a shilling a week.
Think of the economic boost. Now that would be Brexit benefit worth having.
Or just maybe we could get a decent competent government elected and end this constant bullshit, upturns, and dead cats. But what do I know. "
Not even sure many of the older generation do love it. Both of our sets if parents think this is utter stupidity and can see it for what it is...tokenism.
The UK has been a mixed measurement system for years anyway! |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
The Mars Climate Orbiter, built at a cost of $125 million, was a 338-kilogram robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998 to study the Martian climate, Martian atmosphere, and surface changes. In addition, its function was to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor ‘98 program for the Mars Polar Lander. The navigation team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) used the metric system of millimeters and meters in its calculations, while Lockheed Martin Astronautics in Denver, Colorado, which designed and built the spacecraft, provided crucial acceleration data in the English system of inches, feet, and pounds. JPL engineers did not take into consideration that the units had been converted, i.e., the acceleration readings measured in English units of pound-seconds^2 for a metric measure of force called newton-seconds^2. This caused the spacecraft to burn and break up in the Martian atmosphere.
In a sense, the spacecraft was lost in translation. |
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"The Mars Climate Orbiter, built at a cost of $125 million, was a 338-kilogram robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998 to study the Martian climate, Martian atmosphere, and surface changes. In addition, its function was to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor ‘98 program for the Mars Polar Lander. The navigation team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) used the metric system of millimeters and meters in its calculations, while Lockheed Martin Astronautics in Denver, Colorado, which designed and built the spacecraft, provided crucial acceleration data in the English system of inches, feet, and pounds. JPL engineers did not take into consideration that the units had been converted, i.e., the acceleration readings measured in English units of pound-seconds^2 for a metric measure of force called newton-seconds^2. This caused the spacecraft to burn and break up in the Martian atmosphere.
In a sense, the spacecraft was lost in translation."
I was wondering how long before someone cited this very example |
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Apparently..well OK.. As headlined in the press (so make of that what you will)...
It's a bonfire of EU laws..
"The i reports that Prime Minister Boris Johnson will try to axe dozens of EU laws this year in a bid to turn around his flagging poll ratings and win back the support of Tory MPs. The paper was told that the regulations most likely to be repealed will cover the environment, workers' rights, transport, tax and health and safety."
Now... Reviewing laws after leaving the EU is necessary. But can't we just go about our business and do it quietly? The art of diplomacy seems to have been completely lost
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"What they are doing is setting up a committee to look at whether we want to change all those EU-imposed rules that said we weren't allowed to sell things in imperial measurements."
"Except that is not true is it! The EU imposed no such thing. The move to metric was a sovereign decision that took place way before the EU as we now know it even existed."
That's true, Britain was moving to metric long before the EU existed, but I was talking about the EU-imposed rules.
The Units of Measurement Regulations 1995 was passed as a result of EU Directive 80/181/EEC, which required standardised units of measurement throughout the EU. The UK got some derogations to allow us to continue with some traditional measures, but the vast majority of trade had to be done with metric measurements.
The committee will be looking at laws like that to see if anything needs changing.
More mature fabbers might remember being able to buy cockles by the pint. That was ruled out when the Weights and Measures Act 1985 was amended by the The Weights and Measures Act 1985 (Metrication) (Amendment) Order 1994, which only allowed pint measurements to be used for draught beer, and milk. The committee might choose to allow pint cockle sales again, but I doubt that there will be any major relaxation of the rules. |
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"...also something called whitworth??
Joseph Whitworth came up with the first thread standard back in the victorian era, his standard was later used as the basis for several British standards. Eventually only coarse threads were still regularly defined as Whitworth. I have some on my old BSA motorbike.
My father was an engineer, hence I have a great deal of completely useless knowledge on subjects like this I also know how to use a slide rule "
I was looking in a junk shop with my son a few weeks ago and they had a couple of slide rules for sale and when I started to explain what they were and how they worked he looked at me like I was very very old - and he’s got a masters in physics! |
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"More mature fabbers might remember being able to buy cockles by the pint. That was ruled out when the Weights and Measures Act 1985 was amended by the The Weights and Measures Act 1985 (Metrication) (Amendment) Order 1994, which only allowed pint measurements to be used for draught beer, and milk. The committee might choose to allow pint cockle sales again, but I doubt that there will be any major relaxation of the rules."
UK Government: "Hey buddy, from now on, sell your cockles, do it in kilos instead of pints - it means we can all use the same scales and other measuring tools, generally just making life easier for everyone. We could've done it all in pints but honestly nobody outside of our small island knows what the fuck we're talking about and we need to buy and sell shit with them - like measuring instruments."
Most cockle salesman: "Yeh, okay, that makes sense."
Some insecure Englishman somewhere: "Well this sounds like cultural genocide to me - time for some blitz spirit!"
*Proceeds to spend inordinate amounts of their free time making everyone's lives harder, meanwhile nobody really has the time to fight back because they're too busy trying to keep their heads above water*
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"Some insecure Englishman somewhere: "Well this sounds like cultural genocide to me - time for some blitz spirit!""
I completely agree with what you say, but it did impact some people.
There used to be thousands of "seafood blokes" that came into pubs in the evening and sold cockles, and whelks, and other such delights. They invented the sale of seafood by the pint, because glasses were available and they didn't want to carry certified scales around with them. The metric law change helped to kill them off, as they couldn't just sccop up a pint from the big bucket, they would have to have had pre-measured bags, which involves cost and lots of time. Mind you, I suspect that food hygiene laws had a hand in stopping that trade.
I miss them. I used to enjoy my pint of whelks with my Guinness. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Some insecure Englishman somewhere: "Well this sounds like cultural genocide to me - time for some blitz spirit!"
I completely agree with what you say, but it did impact some people.
There used to be thousands of "seafood blokes" that came into pubs in the evening and sold cockles, and whelks, and other such delights. They invented the sale of seafood by the pint, because glasses were available and they didn't want to carry certified scales around with them. The metric law change helped to kill them off, as they couldn't just sccop up a pint from the big bucket, they would have to have had pre-measured bags, which involves cost and lots of time. Mind you, I suspect that food hygiene laws had a hand in stopping that trade.
I miss them. I used to enjoy my pint of whelks with my Guinness."
I don’t think banning the pint glass measure killed then off I think tastes just changed along with food hygiene standards.
Bag of cockles with vinegar delicious.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Some insecure Englishman somewhere: "Well this sounds like cultural genocide to me - time for some blitz spirit!"
I completely agree with what you say, but it did impact some people.
There used to be thousands of "seafood blokes" that came into pubs in the evening and sold cockles, and whelks, and other such delights. They invented the sale of seafood by the pint, because glasses were available and they didn't want to carry certified scales around with them. The metric law change helped to kill them off, as they couldn't just sccop up a pint from the big bucket, they would have to have had pre-measured bags, which involves cost and lots of time. Mind you, I suspect that food hygiene laws had a hand in stopping that trade.
I miss them. I used to enjoy my pint of whelks with my Guinness."
Well clearly the bloody EU were a bunch of shellfish bastards |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Some insecure Englishman somewhere: "Well this sounds like cultural genocide to me - time for some blitz spirit!"
I completely agree with what you say, but it did impact some people.
There used to be thousands of "seafood blokes" that came into pubs in the evening and sold cockles, and whelks, and other such delights. They invented the sale of seafood by the pint, because glasses were available and they didn't want to carry certified scales around with them. The metric law change helped to kill them off, as they couldn't just sccop up a pint from the big bucket, they would have to have had pre-measured bags, which involves cost and lots of time. Mind you, I suspect that food hygiene laws had a hand in stopping that trade.
I miss them. I used to enjoy my pint of whelks with my Guinness.
Well clearly the bloody EU were a bunch of shellfish bastards "
Don’t start that nonsense unless you want to sea everyone clam up! |
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"Some insecure Englishman somewhere: "Well this sounds like cultural genocide to me - time for some blitz spirit!"
I completely agree with what you say, but it did impact some people.
There used to be thousands of "seafood blokes" that came into pubs in the evening and sold cockles, and whelks, and other such delights. They invented the sale of seafood by the pint, because glasses were available and they didn't want to carry certified scales around with them. The metric law change helped to kill them off, as they couldn't just sccop up a pint from the big bucket, they would have to have had pre-measured bags, which involves cost and lots of time. Mind you, I suspect that food hygiene laws had a hand in stopping that trade.
I miss them. I used to enjoy my pint of whelks with my Guinness.
Well clearly the bloody EU were a bunch of shellfish bastards
Don’t start that nonsense unless you want to sea everyone clam up! "
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"The metric system was introduced in 1965 but the imperial never really went away, we still buy beer by the pint, measure a cars fuel consumption in miles per gallon, speed in miles per hour and guys try to brag about cock size in inches
and the record industry still counts in 7 and 12 inches. Cars are miles to the gallon, how far will I get from a plastic jerry can of fuel?
Car engines are metric, mountain bike wheels are inches, road bikes are metric 650c or 700c, so you can tell which contingent is calling the shots.
Uzi 9 milimeter? Verses 20 inch shells, even the arms dealers are split, then again, their industry is based on arguments....WAR!
Try car tyres. Measured in mm, inches and a percentage. "
Unless you had a Austin/MG Metro... all metric tyre size 185-65-315... roughly 12 1/2" rim diameter not the widely used 13" so you were restricted to only a couple of tyre manufactures and not all tyre places kept them in stock |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
Surely we're to be "given back" what was never taken away from us!
The last time I bought some milk it was sold to me in pints... the only EU stipulation was that to avoid confusion it was ALSO marked in SI units.
Similarly, even the local shop COULD HAVE continued to mark its produce in old-fashioned imperial measures.
And, of course, imperial units always continued to be used descriptively, e.g. a 32" TV or a 42' yacht.
But I'll bet even krinklies are now gonna have a problem working out how many square yards of tiles they'll need for their 4'11" x 8'4" kitchen. |
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"So no one never
has an 8oz steak?
Walks a mile and half?
Flys at 35000 feet?
Has a six inch cock?
Drinks a pint?
Weighs 12 and a half stone
Is six foot tall?
Buys half a dozen eggs?
Watches a 32 inch TV?
Drinks a double Whisky?
Wears 34 inch waist trousers?
Yeah imperial is dead and buried. Everyone can give those in metric yes?
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Its just the bregsit waycists that use imperial |
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"The last time I bought some milk it was sold to me in pints..."
Actually this is a bit of a pain, my Samsung fridge was presumably designed in Europe. 4 pint cartons do fit, but a bit of a squeeze, 2 litre cartons fit perfectly. Most supermarkets cater for the british is best crowd and sell in pints. There's only one (tesco I think) that sell it in litres. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"The last time I bought some milk it was sold to me in pints...
Actually this is a bit of a pain, my Samsung fridge was presumably designed in Europe. 4 pint cartons do fit, but a bit of a squeeze, 2 litre cartons fit perfectly. Most supermarkets cater for the british is best crowd and sell in pints. There's only one (tesco I think) that sell it in litres."
The Co-op sell it litres.. It only got 2 litre measurement on the label …. Non of that new fangled pints stuff…. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The last time I bought some milk it was sold to me in pints...
Actually this is a bit of a pain, my Samsung fridge was presumably designed in Europe. 4 pint cartons do fit, but a bit of a squeeze, 2 litre cartons fit perfectly. Most supermarkets cater for the british is best crowd and sell in pints. There's only one (tesco I think) that sell it in litres."
All the supermarkets sell in litres so not sure where you’re shopping. |
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"...All the supermarkets sell in litres so not sure where you’re shopping. "
Morrisons mostly, pretty sure last time I looked they were 4 pints, but I haven't thought about it or checked for a while, I just grab and go |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"... pretty sure last time I looked they were 4 pints
Yup, just looked. Morrisons (British) milk, 4 pints, 2.272 litres"
Yes I was wrong I just checked and I only have ever seen the litres sign. Apologies
The filtered such as Cravendale and specialist milks along with all cartons are in litres
Which just goes to show no one cares . |
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"...Which just goes to show no one cares . "
Yup, basically I grab the big one, which will fit in my fridge, but not the huge one, which won't fit in anybodies fridge
The Cravendale one fits in my fridge slightly better than the normal one |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"...Which just goes to show no one cares .
Yup, basically I grab the big one, which will fit in my fridge, but not the huge one, which won't fit in anybodies fridge
The Cravendale one fits in my fridge slightly better than the normal one "
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"...Nobody needs THAT much milk, unless you are making a fetish film! "
Porridge in the morning,.maybe ohhh 6 or 7 latte's during the day, protein shakes after exercise and cereal for supper...luckily I am not lactose intolerant ?? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
As normal this news is being taken all out of context by the remain brigade.All they are doing is removing a eu law that everything apart from beer, milk and troy ounces for precious metals must be displayed in metric units. They are not forcing anyone to go back to imperial measurements just removing red tape so there is a choice. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Apparently they are bringing back the imperial measurements again. Most people of course can recognise this for what it is, just a timely political action and diversion tactic. It's taken kids and most adults for that matter years to get to grips with metric measurements so should we start confusing everyone one again especially as the intention is to let them coexist "
Unless I'm misreading the article they are not proposing to make metric illegal but make it legal to sell in imperial only should a person or company wish to do so. Basically overturning an old EU rule. I doubt in reality much will actually change but just lets people have the choice |
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"Unless I'm misreading the article they are not proposing to make metric illegal but make it legal to sell in imperial only ..."
They're not going anywhere near that far. They are just setting up a committe to investigate whether the law should change at all.
They might recommend some minor changes, but I doubt that they will allow general sales in imperial again. It would allow unscrupulous people to swindle the public. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Apparently they are bringing back the imperial measurements again. Most people of course can recognise this for what it is, just a timely political action and diversion tactic. It's taken kids and most adults for that matter years to get to grips with metric measurements so should we start confusing everyone one again especially as the intention is to let them coexist
Unless I'm misreading the article they are not proposing to make metric illegal but make it legal to sell in imperial only should a person or company wish to do so. Basically overturning an old EU rule. I doubt in reality much will actually change but just lets people have the choice"
Exactly mate but the remainers have to have something to moan about even if its only in their heads. |
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"Exactly mate but the remainers have to have something to moan about even if its only in their heads. "
It's literally a policy announced to keep Brexit voters supporting Boris. Even the most ardent brexiteers can't find a good thing to say about it. But sure, find a reason to blame "remainers" I guess.
When you reach the end and you realise these people don't give a fuck about you are you gonna blame remainers for that too? I heard chanting "remainers.. did.. this.." will give you three more breaths gasping in a hospital corridor waiting for a bed |
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Thus is how great the Boris dead catting is
The review as announced in September.
It's now been announced to start on Friday. Because the jubilee gives it extra zing.
This review, which has taken eight months to even start, will take about three months.
And will probably get to maybe allowing greengrocers to show pounds and ounces to be more prominent than kg if they so wish.
Brilliant.
And just remember, we can't consider a leadership challenge because there's a war on. Gotta focus on the big things.
And partygate. In the past. Let's get over it. And focus on the future. Like bringing back the past.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Only luddites would want to impose imperial on our children and business. Any company that’s not a local cottage historic traditional set up has no interest in imperial. It’s just more dead cat bull shit to feed the frenzied brexiteers wet dreams of empire.
Beamish would be the best place for this review.
It’s in reality totally irrelevant as a government policy but shows you the desperate state Reece Mogg is in trying to show a benefit. .
A waste of government time and effort but nothing new with this shower. |
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"...Nobody needs THAT much milk, unless you are making a fetish film!
Porridge in the morning,.maybe ohhh 6 or 7 latte's during the day, protein shakes after exercise and cereal for supper...luckily I am not lactose intolerant ?? "
I am lactose intolerant and buy the LactoFree 1L cartons because there's no other choice! |
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"Getting rid of rules and regs no longer needed in the uk thats what its about it seems to me some people want every bit of their lives run by the government. "
Nope. It's about getting ludicrous headlines in tabloids + trying to distract from lying + lawbreaking at the heart of government.
We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned. I'm off for a pint at the pub... |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
The problem is the review and changing the rules means we receive no benefit whatsoever in reality.
I’m not sure that even contemplating getting rid of metric is sensible as food contents health wise are by 100mg and 100ml.
To change would be costly to business. A cost they don’t need.
So everyone can see it’s of no benefit to have a review or to make these changes as the changes will achieve no benefit.
Dead cat time. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The problem is the review and changing the rules means we receive no benefit whatsoever in reality.
I’m not sure that even contemplating getting rid of metric is sensible as food contents health wise are by 100mg and 100ml.
To change would be costly to business. A cost they don’t need.
So everyone can see it’s of no benefit to have a review or to make these changes as the changes will achieve no benefit.
Dead cat time. "
I have not read anything that says they are even contemplating getting rid of metric. What makes you think this is the case? Even if the proposal is taken up it is not being imposed on anyone and is not a cost to business if they prefer to carry on as they are now. Businesses can choose which ever they prefer without breaching rules |
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"The problem is the review and changing the rules means we receive no benefit whatsoever in reality.
I’m not sure that even contemplating getting rid of metric is sensible as food contents health wise are by 100mg and 100ml.
To change would be costly to business. A cost they don’t need.
So everyone can see it’s of no benefit to have a review or to make these changes as the changes will achieve no benefit.
Dead cat time.
I have not read anything that says they are even contemplating getting rid of metric. What makes you think this is the case? Even if the proposal is taken up it is not being imposed on anyone and is not a cost to business if they prefer to carry on as they are now. Businesses can choose which ever they prefer without breaching rules"
They should just crack on with changing the law then.
"We are now really considering doing something. Rather than thinking about considering". |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Getting rid of rules and regs no longer needed in the uk thats what its about it seems to me some people want every bit of their lives run by the government.
Nope. It's about getting ludicrous headlines in tabloids + trying to distract from lying + lawbreaking at the heart of government.
We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned. I'm off for a pint at the pub..."
Exactly and who produces these ridiculous headlines that all the suckers get wound up about? newspapers who need more crap to sell them, its a non story but a distraction im not sure, the newspapers report stories that sell. Personally i never read them i am capable of making my own mind up i dont need an editor feeding me his own version. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
And within imperial, Imperial gallon, and English gallon, guess which one the UK used.
I worked on vessels that were metric and others imperial, gallons, nautical miles, litres, pressures etc. I was taught both and don't bother converting.
Strangely, in the UK engine cylinder bores were always in mm, but the rest of the measurements were in imperial, so even the UK has used metric going back prior to WW1. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
I don’t even know how many ounces are in a lb
The SI system uses measurements whose standards are defined based on fixed fundamental constants of nature. Rather than arbitrary values based on things like the freezing point of toast or the length of a piece of string.
Why do we need to go backwards when the SI system is standard around the world apart from 3 countries. Next it will be reversing decimalisation.
Luddites are clearly still amongst us…
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"We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned."
No we can't, and yes they were.
This is where we need to be careful with language. 'Measurement" is how you determine the size of something. 'Marking' is text you use to inform the customer what the thing is. Imperial measurements were banned, but imperial markings were not.
So you can sell orange juice in cartons containing 1 pint, and you can put the marking "1 pint" on the side, but you must also put the marking "568ml", in letters no smaller than the pint marking. You can mark your items in imperial sizes, but you must measure them in metric units.
The"Metric Martyrs" were convicted for using weighing scales that measured in pounds. After the law changed, you could not use imperial measurement devices. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned.
No we can't, and yes they were.
This is where we need to be careful with language. 'Measurement" is how you determine the size of something. 'Marking' is text you use to inform the customer what the thing is. Imperial measurements were banned, but imperial markings were not.
So you can sell orange juice in cartons containing 1 pint, and you can put the marking "1 pint" on the side, but you must also put the marking "568ml", in letters no smaller than the pint marking. You can mark your items in imperial sizes, but you must measure them in metric units.
The"Metric Martyrs" were convicted for using weighing scales that measured in pounds. After the law changed, you could not use imperial measurement devices."
And they should remain banned…. |
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"We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned.
No we can't, and yes they were.
This is where we need to be careful with language. 'Measurement" is how you determine the size of something. 'Marking' is text you use to inform the customer what the thing is. Imperial measurements were banned, but imperial markings were not.
So you can sell orange juice in cartons containing 1 pint, and you can put the marking "1 pint" on the side, but you must also put the marking "568ml", in letters no smaller than the pint marking. You can mark your items in imperial sizes, but you must measure them in metric units.
The"Metric Martyrs" were convicted for using weighing scales that measured in pounds. After the law changed, you could not use imperial measurement devices."
pretty desperate nitpicking there. Well done you.
I may just drink a pint of milk from my fridge right now... |
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"Here are some approximate values for anyone who is keen to return to the imperial measurements, whatever their reasons might be.
1 stone = 14 pound = 6.4 kg
1 pound =16 oz = 453 g
1 oz = 28 g
1 kilo =2.2 pounds
1 kilo = 1000 grams
1 yard = 3 ft
1ft = 12 inches = 30 cm
1 inch = 2.5 cm
1 mile = 1760 yards = 1.6 km
1km = 1000m
1m = 100cm
1cm = 10mm
1 gallon = 8 pints = 4.5 litres
1 pint = 568 ml
1 litre = 1000 ml
PS. Some of the conversions are approximate "
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"We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned.
No we can't, and yes they were.
This is where we need to be careful with language. 'Measurement" is how you determine the size of something. 'Marking' is text you use to inform the customer what the thing is. Imperial measurements were banned, but imperial markings were not.
So you can sell orange juice in cartons containing 1 pint, and you can put the marking "1 pint" on the side, but you must also put the marking "568ml", in letters no smaller than the pint marking. You can mark your items in imperial sizes, but you must measure them in metric units.
The"Metric Martyrs" were convicted for using weighing scales that measured in pounds. After the law changed, you could not use imperial measurement devices.
pretty desperate nitpicking there. Well done you.
I may just drink a pint of milk from my fridge right now..."
When people get emotional and misquote things about what is and isn't law. It's quite important to be accurate don't you think. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Getting rid of rules and regs no longer needed in the uk thats what its about it seems to me some people want every bit of their lives run by the government.
Nope. It's about getting ludicrous headlines in tabloids + trying to distract from lying + lawbreaking at the heart of government.
We already can use imperial measurements. They were never banned. I'm off for a pint at the pub...Exactly and who produces these ridiculous headlines that all the suckers get wound up about? newspapers who need more crap to sell them, its a non story but a distraction im not sure, the newspapers report stories that sell. Personally i never read them i am capable of making my own mind up i dont need an editor feeding me his own version."
Think those headlines are started by Boris press office . |
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The interesting thing is this is nothing new. Communities trying to keep their old systems of weights and measures keeps repeating itself. Scotland used to have its own systems, e.g. a stone was 16oz. At the Union of the crowns in 1706, the English and Scottish systems were unified...but of course, people complained and carried on using the 'old' measures. Eventually in 1835, it was made illegal to use the old measures. 1835...I.e. it took well over 100 years and people still refused to align! |
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"Brilliant, finally my socket set will come back into good use. It has metric, imperial, also something called whitworth?? Or something like that on them
Whitworth is totally messed up. Originally a 1/2" Whit spanner fitted a bolt with 1/2" Whit thread. At some point (possibly during the war to save metal, I can't remember the exact story) the bolt head size was reduced so the size on older spanners doesn't match the bolt while newer (and that's a very relative term) should. This is because the size on the spanner relates to the diameter of the thread on the bolt, not the actual head size so if you want to know the right size spanner you need to identify the thread size, not simply measure the head which is a pain if the bolt is done up and you can't see the thread.
These days it's very rare to come across Whit threads as they are an old British imperial thread. UNC/UNF are not that unusual being American and still used widely over there and I believe, like metric fasteners, the spanners are marked with the across flats size not the thread size.
Mr"
The socket set is my dads, it has outlasted all the cheap crap sets that I bought over the years. |
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"The socket set is my dads, it has outlasted all the cheap crap sets that I bought over the years."
I have a Halfords socket set that I bought when I was a teenager. 40 years later I bought another set, a Halfords 'Professional' set, coz it was half price. The metal in the Professional set is about half as thick as in the old set! |
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"Who said that was hard? Nobody yet anyway. The surprising thing is why would anyone want to go back to imperial when everyone and especially kids are mow used to metric. "
I still use imperial. I've not a clue what I weigh in metric. Or my height. |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
Maybe it’s just me or a generational thing I am 54 years old.I go to a pub people are still ordering pints.When going to buy trousers I look for a 34 or 36 inches waist and 29 inch leg.When asked my weight I say 14 stones which I know is 196lbs as there 14lbs make 1 stone. |
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