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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Unbelievable. So much for accountability and democracy.
Ian Dunt is spot in too...
"Boris Johnson did not want impressive figures challenging him when he formed his Cabinet, so it is now populated by people with the cognitive baseload of a wooden chair." |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Boris Johnson, 25 May 2022: "I want to begin by renewing my apology to the House and to the whole country...I take full responsibility for everything that took place on my watch"
Boris Johnson, 2 days later: Rewrites ministerial code so you don't have to resign if you break it |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
This is so blatant, so corrupt and so destructive of democracy that it makes the government look like an elective dictatorship!
Seriously, the usual suspects who defend pretty much everything this man does...are you going to defend THIS? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Surely one should look at the rules when you broke the law, not what they are today ...
Not in Boris world.
No wonder his COVID fine has annoyed him. The rules today allow him to meet people. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
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Most of us voted this way |
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From a total of 32,014,110 votes, the conservative party received 13,966,454 votes. That's 43.63% of the votes.
Source: House of Commons Briefing Paper 8749 - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8749/CBP-8749.pdf
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From a total of 32,014,110 votes, the conservative party received 13,966,454 votes. That's 43.63% of the votes.
Source: House of Commons Briefing Paper 8749 - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8749/CBP-8749.pdf
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thanks. So not even majority of voters 
Yeah. I'm that dick.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
I really do hope that when this aberration does finally depart Downing Street the damage can be repaired with a more representative democratic system of government and a written and detailed Constitution. It’s a shame really, everything has worked so well for hundreds of years until this destroyer of centuries old protocol came along with his sledgehammer and a brutish sense of entitlement. |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"I believe a public march would change things so appreciate actions are taken seriouslyare these allowed now? Or will I be shipped to Rwanda. "
It'd be more of a demonstration that the law applies the same to anyone who breaches it |
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"From a total of 32,014,110 votes, the conservative party received 13,966,454 votes. That's 43.63% of the votes.
Source: House of Commons Briefing Paper 8749 - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8749/CBP-8749.pdf
thanks. So not even majority of voters
Yeah. I'm that dick.
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No, you're just pretending to be |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh dear, you've fallen for complete fake news. The Govt has implemented recommendations which were made independently last year. The expectation of Ministerial Resignation for lying deliberately to Parliament is still in the code. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh dear, you've fallen for complete fake news. The Govt has implemented recommendations which were made independently last year. The expectation of Ministerial Resignation for lying deliberately to Parliament is still in the code."
the committee made recommendations... Are the changes in line with them?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh dear, you've fallen for complete fake news. The Govt has implemented recommendations which were made independently last year. The expectation of Ministerial Resignation for lying deliberately to Parliament is still in the code. the committee made recommendations... Are the changes in line with them? "
Look up Lord Evans (Chair of Standards Committee) recommendations. He said current expectations around Ministerial Resignations were too rigid and should be more flexible to each circumstance. Does not alter expectation that lie in Parliament is resignation issue. It is quite normal implementation of his independent advice. |
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact "
. While this may be blatantly obvious a small but very vocal majority appear to have difficulty in accepting it . If someone wants to be pedantic maybe your statement should read that the Conservative party polled more votes than any other party.
Winning the last election with an 80 seat majority was a stunning achievement .
Some people appear to devote their entire lives to hating Boris . They have their social media settings set to receive news of any fault or criticism instantly . They fail to appreciate that the world of twitter is a long way removed from reality.
Most rational people recognise that the world of the Boris haters is a long way removed from reality . When I see their comments I just remind myself of his election success and that the Conservative party poll more votes than any other party. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh dear, you've fallen for complete fake news. The Govt has implemented recommendations which were made independently last year. The expectation of Ministerial Resignation for lying deliberately to Parliament is still in the code. the committee made recommendations... Are the changes in line with them?
Look up Lord Evans (Chair of Standards Committee) recommendations. He said current expectations around Ministerial Resignations were too rigid and should be more flexible to each circumstance. Does not alter expectation that lie in Parliament is resignation issue. It is quite normal implementation of his independent advice."
Someone will do a compare and contrast. But here's a quote from when the report was issued
"Accountability, honesty, openness, selflessness, leadership, objectivity and integrity are not just a ‘nice to have’ - they are integral to ‘building back better’."
But according to huffpost
"Johnson has also rewritten the foreword to the code. He removed any wording related to honesty, integrity, transparency and accountability."
Makes me wonder ... |
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"Oh dear, you've fallen for complete fake news. The Govt has implemented recommendations which were made independently last year. The expectation of Ministerial Resignation for lying deliberately to Parliament is still in the code. the committee made recommendations... Are the changes in line with them?
Look up Lord Evans (Chair of Standards Committee) recommendations. He said current expectations around Ministerial Resignations were too rigid and should be more flexible to each circumstance. Does not alter expectation that lie in Parliament is resignation issue. It is quite normal implementation of his independent advice.
Someone will do a compare and contrast. But here's a quote from when the report was issued
"Accountability, honesty, openness, selflessness, leadership, objectivity and integrity are not just a ‘nice to have’ - they are integral to ‘building back better’."
But according to huffpost
"Johnson has also rewritten the foreword to the code. He removed any wording related to honesty, integrity, transparency and accountability."
Makes me wonder ... "
The New code is easy to find and read online. The forward is just that, it does not form part of the Code itself. All those terms can be found within the Code. This is fake news on a Trump scale. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh dear, you've fallen for complete fake news. The Govt has implemented recommendations which were made independently last year. The expectation of Ministerial Resignation for lying deliberately to Parliament is still in the code. the committee made recommendations... Are the changes in line with them?
Look up Lord Evans (Chair of Standards Committee) recommendations. He said current expectations around Ministerial Resignations were too rigid and should be more flexible to each circumstance. Does not alter expectation that lie in Parliament is resignation issue. It is quite normal implementation of his independent advice.
Someone will do a compare and contrast. But here's a quote from when the report was issued
"Accountability, honesty, openness, selflessness, leadership, objectivity and integrity are not just a ‘nice to have’ - they are integral to ‘building back better’."
But according to huffpost
"Johnson has also rewritten the foreword to the code. He removed any wording related to honesty, integrity, transparency and accountability."
Makes me wonder ...
The New code is easy to find and read online. The forward is just that, it does not form part of the Code itself. All those terms can be found within the Code. This is fake news on a Trump scale."
I'd be worried if they weren't!
It was a curious decision to remove the words from the forward when those are integral.
I don't have time ATM to look at both the recommendations and the new code to see how close the two are. In simply not taking it on face value he's simply rubber stamping the previous recommendatiins when itself says it has been considering the recommendation and that this is a government position.
Maybe I'm cynical. But I don't think I've said anything that is false. |
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?"
I wouldn't expect a logical answer given the initial comment.  |
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?"
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system. "
Oh dear! Do you ever fact check your facts before posting them as #fact? Google is an amazing and easy tool to use!
Gotta say that ranks up there with your statement “Channel 4 is taxpayer funded”. Both completely wrong!
Because I am in a generous mood I will save you 20 seconds and copy this from the UK Parliament website...
“First-past-the-post is a type of electoral system. In the UK it is the system used for the election of MPs to the House of Commons and for some local government elections.” |
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"It was a curious decision to remove the words from the forward when those are integral."
The foreword is just a puff piece by the government of the time. It gets completely rewritten each time the code is updated, to reflect whatever is happening at the time.
The last version of the code, from 2019, had a foreword all about delivering Brexit. The latest version is all about tackling the cost of living crisis. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Can anyone remind me what Blair did to the law of treason?
And what has that got to do with the price of eggs?"
It’s called whataboutism (I know you know) and is the go to for Johnson supporters who have nothing in the armoury to actually explain their cult leaders actions. It’s like they actually believe two wrongs make a right! They have been indoctrinated by the normalisation of this behaviour and accept this drastic lowering of standards. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
New YouGov MRP poll finds the Conservatives would lose 88 seats to Labour if an election were held today, including:
- Boris Johnson's seat
- Steve Baker and Iain Duncan Smith's seats
- All but three 'red wall' seats.
- Every single marginal in London and the South East
Looks like Mr Hay’s “silent majority” are getting rather frustrated by the Liar in General who holds the top office. Maybe the “silent majority” are all turning into “Boris haters”? |
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
Bridgend |
"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact "
Hitler was voted in by the Germans, once in post he dismantled democracy, Putin did a similar thing, Boris Johnson is following in their footsteps. |
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over a year ago
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"New YouGov MRP poll finds the Conservatives would lose 88 seats to Labour if an election were held today, including:
- Boris Johnson's seat
- Steve Baker and Iain Duncan Smith's seats
- All but three 'red wall' seats.
- Every single marginal in London and the South East
Looks like Mr Hay’s “silent majority” are getting rather frustrated by the Liar in General who holds the top office. Maybe the “silent majority” are all turning into “Boris haters”?"
Drinks all round for Sir Beer, Mrs Krankie and whatshisname who runs the Lib Dems ! |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
Hitler was voted in by the Germans, once in post he dismantled democracy, Putin did a similar thing, Boris Johnson is following in their footsteps. "
The ability for ministers to override the law is also a discussion document along with the Home Secretary being able to ban any protests despite them being peaceful.
The press restrictions will soon follow. So any publication of drinks at No.10 would be considered a breach of confidentiality resulting in fines or possible jail time for both the whistleblower and the journalist.
Worrying times. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact . While this may be blatantly obvious a small but very vocal majority appear to have difficulty in accepting it . If someone wants to be pedantic maybe your statement should read that the Conservative party polled more votes than any other party.
Winning the last election with an 80 seat majority was a stunning achievement .
Some people appear to devote their entire lives to hating Boris . They have their social media settings set to receive news of any fault or criticism instantly . They fail to appreciate that the world of twitter is a long way removed from reality.
Most rational people recognise that the world of the Boris haters is a long way removed from reality . When I see their comments I just remind myself of his election success and that the Conservative party poll more votes than any other party. "
I remember a poster on her who was a Theresa May sycophant. That poster's profile strangely disappeared when May got booted and another profile appeared. I wonder how many Boris Johnson sycophant profiles will disappear only to re-spawn under a different name when he gets booted? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Okay, so I've been looking at the recommendations and the government statement.
Recommendation 2
The government should pass primary legislation to place the Independent Adviser
on Ministers’ Interests, the Public Appointments Commissioner, and the Advisory
Committee on Business Appointments on a statutory basis.
Response
As the Prime Minister’s guidance to Ministers, the Ministerial Code and its application is a matter for the Executive and – as with all matters of the Prerogative – wholly separate from the legislature. Therefore, the Government does not consider it appropriate to legislate for the Code or for the office of Independent Adviser
Recommendation 8
The Independent Adviser should be able to initiate investigations into breaches of the
Ministerial Code.
Response
the revised Terms of Reference set out an enhanced process to allow for the Independent Adviser to independently initiate an investigation, having consulted the Prime Minister and obtained his consent.
(Which sounds ambiguous at best)
So from a five minute scan, it doesn't feel like the recommendations have been copy and pasted into the Code, instead used as a guide by the government
Can someone show me otherwise ?
Now... It may be most of it is there and in the spirit. But it does appear to be HMG changes, and therefore should be up for discussion without being shut down saying fake news (imo).
Especially given the bumoy journey to get here ... |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Okay, so I've been looking at the recommendations and the government statement.
Recommendation 2
The government should pass primary legislation to place the Independent Adviser
on Ministers’ Interests, the Public Appointments Commissioner, and the Advisory
Committee on Business Appointments on a statutory basis.
Response
As the Prime Minister’s guidance to Ministers, the Ministerial Code and its application is a matter for the Executive and – as with all matters of the Prerogative – wholly separate from the legislature. Therefore, the Government does not consider it appropriate to legislate for the Code or for the office of Independent Adviser
Recommendation 8
The Independent Adviser should be able to initiate investigations into breaches of the
Ministerial Code.
Response
the revised Terms of Reference set out an enhanced process to allow for the Independent Adviser to independently initiate an investigation, having consulted the Prime Minister and obtained his consent.
(Which sounds ambiguous at best)
So from a five minute scan, it doesn't feel like the recommendations have been copy and pasted into the Code, instead used as a guide by the government
Can someone show me otherwise ?
Now... It may be most of it is there and in the spirit. But it does appear to be HMG changes, and therefore should be up for discussion without being shut down saying fake news (imo).
Especially given the bumoy journey to get here ..."
So Boris can decide whether to discipline or not .
How is that independent?
Also there will only be a review by the executive as to whether a case of misconduct is activated . There will be no independent officer .
This is dictatorship stuff .
In effect we will police ourselves and you can’t do a thing about it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Okay, so I've been looking at the recommendations and the government statement.
Recommendation 2
The government should pass primary legislation to place the Independent Adviser
on Ministers’ Interests, the Public Appointments Commissioner, and the Advisory
Committee on Business Appointments on a statutory basis.
Response
As the Prime Minister’s guidance to Ministers, the Ministerial Code and its application is a matter for the Executive and – as with all matters of the Prerogative – wholly separate from the legislature. Therefore, the Government does not consider it appropriate to legislate for the Code or for the office of Independent Adviser
Recommendation 8
The Independent Adviser should be able to initiate investigations into breaches of the
Ministerial Code.
Response
the revised Terms of Reference set out an enhanced process to allow for the Independent Adviser to independently initiate an investigation, having consulted the Prime Minister and obtained his consent.
(Which sounds ambiguous at best)
So from a five minute scan, it doesn't feel like the recommendations have been copy and pasted into the Code, instead used as a guide by the government
Can someone show me otherwise ?
Now... It may be most of it is there and in the spirit. But it does appear to be HMG changes, and therefore should be up for discussion without being shut down saying fake news (imo).
Especially given the bumoy journey to get here ...
So Boris can decide whether to discipline or not .
How is that independent?
Also there will only be a review by the executive as to whether a case of misconduct is activated . There will be no independent officer .
This is dictatorship stuff .
In effect we will police ourselves and you can’t do a thing about it.
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I think that has always been the case. And "independent" has always been part of his staff
TBF, I'm catching up here, so not sure which bits have always been and which bits are new. I'm trying to work out which new bits are direct from the recommendations and which (if any) are watered down, missed or HMG own work. |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Okay, so I've been looking at the recommendations and the government statement.
Recommendation 2
The government should pass primary legislation to place the Independent Adviser
on Ministers’ Interests, the Public Appointments Commissioner, and the Advisory
Committee on Business Appointments on a statutory basis.
Response
As the Prime Minister’s guidance to Ministers, the Ministerial Code and its application is a matter for the Executive and – as with all matters of the Prerogative – wholly separate from the legislature. Therefore, the Government does not consider it appropriate to legislate for the Code or for the office of Independent Adviser
Recommendation 8
The Independent Adviser should be able to initiate investigations into breaches of the
Ministerial Code.
Response
the revised Terms of Reference set out an enhanced process to allow for the Independent Adviser to independently initiate an investigation, having consulted the Prime Minister and obtained his consent.
(Which sounds ambiguous at best)
So from a five minute scan, it doesn't feel like the recommendations have been copy and pasted into the Code, instead used as a guide by the government
Can someone show me otherwise ?
Now... It may be most of it is there and in the spirit. But it does appear to be HMG changes, and therefore should be up for discussion without being shut down saying fake news (imo).
Especially given the bumoy journey to get here ...
So Boris can decide whether to discipline or not .
How is that independent?
Also there will only be a review by the executive as to whether a case of misconduct is activated . There will be no independent officer .
This is dictatorship stuff .
In effect we will police ourselves and you can’t do a thing about it.
I think that has always been the case. And "independent" has always been part of his staff
TBF, I'm catching up here, so not sure which bits have always been and which bits are new. I'm trying to work out which new bits are direct from the recommendations and which (if any) are watered down, missed or HMG own work. "
It seems to be all coming out of the Owen Paterson debacle. I notice the ban on second consultancy jobs hasn’t happened.
Boris and his crew are trying to push back on recommendations in the review of behaviour of MPs and ministers.
Basically they don’t want accountability.
Just like the expenses recommendations in 2009 which have been ignored. They were excellent and practical but didn’t give freedom to spend. So they are in the very long grass . |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
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I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"New YouGov MRP poll finds the Conservatives would lose 88 seats to Labour if an election were held today, including:
- Boris Johnson's seat
- Steve Baker and Iain Duncan Smith's seats
- All but three 'red wall' seats.
- Every single marginal in London and the South East
Looks like Mr Hay’s “silent majority” are getting rather frustrated by the Liar in General who holds the top office. Maybe the “silent majority” are all turning into “Boris haters”?
Drinks all round for Sir Beer, Mrs Krankie and whatshisname who runs the Lib Dems ! "
Nah way too soon. The right wing press and real power behind the scenes will now spend two years on overdrive to try and prevent that happening. There’s still too much money to be made and be stolen from the public purse and tax payers. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol"
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed 
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out? |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?"
okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system.
Oh dear! Do you ever fact check your facts before posting them as #fact? Google is an amazing and easy tool to use!
Gotta say that ranks up there with your statement “Channel 4 is taxpayer funded”. Both completely wrong!
Because I am in a generous mood I will save you 20 seconds and copy this from the UK Parliament website...
“First-past-the-post is a type of electoral system. In the UK it is the system used for the election of MPs to the House of Commons and for some local government elections.”"
You’ll never get an explanation. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?"
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Lest we forget...
BorisJohnson has got away with giving £100,000 of public money to a woman he was having sex with on the way home from the Mayor's office to his children (and I believe while his wife was fighting cancer). |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook."
but he didn’t lie he got brexit done that’s what I voted for maybe if labour didn’t say they will respect the vote but then hold another vote and campaign to remain maybe they would of got my vote |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol"
Yes
For that very reason!! 
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.but he didn’t lie he got brexit done that’s what I voted for maybe if labour didn’t say they will respect the vote but then hold another vote and campaign to remain maybe they would of got my vote "
is Brexit done ?
I get confused as people keep talking about pulling out of hne NIP and so effectively restarting whole chunks of the process.
I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not. |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.but he didn’t lie he got brexit done that’s what I voted for maybe if labour didn’t say they will respect the vote but then hold another vote and campaign to remain maybe they would of got my vote is Brexit done ?
I get confused as people keep talking about pulling out of hne NIP and so effectively restarting whole chunks of the process.
I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not. "
No import checks so not done for years yet.
It’s a gift that keeps giving pain.
Boris says the export procedures for NI are hurting business to much to continue,
He doesn’t mention the exact same problems exporting to the EU. Same damage to business. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. "
my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.but he didn’t lie he got brexit done that’s what I voted for maybe if labour didn’t say they will respect the vote but then hold another vote and campaign to remain maybe they would of got my vote is Brexit done ?
I get confused as people keep talking about pulling out of hne NIP and so effectively restarting whole chunks of the process.
I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not. "
yes we are no longer part of the eu mate Google it |
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact "
No they didn't 
Enough people voted conservative to give them a majority but it is certainly far from half. |
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
No they didn't
Enough people voted conservative to give them a majority but it is certainly far from half. that is democracy "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system.
Yes we do. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
No they didn't
Enough people voted conservative to give them a majority but it is certainly far from half. that is democracy "
Exactly! But the poster was wrong the majority did not vote conservative.
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"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook."
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right? |
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"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?"
yes that’s about it spot on half his family and friends must swerve him at family doos lol |
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"Enough people voted conservative to give them a majority but it is certainly far from half.
It was 43.63%. That's not 'far from half', it's actually quite close to half."
That's not close. And still very clearly the majority of the country did not vote conservative which is not what the poster tried to claim. |
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"I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not."
"No import checks so not done for years yet."
Brexit was all about us leaving the EU. We've done that now, so it's all over.
Now we have the problem of how to arrange our future relationship with all of our trading partners. One of those issues is whether we should institute import checks on EU goods. Nobody has yet come up with a good reason why we should spend lots of money on checking imports from the EU. We already know that the standards there are good, and we used to import it all with no checks. Why should we start checking it now? |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not.
No import checks so not done for years yet.
Brexit was all about us leaving the EU. We've done that now, so it's all over.
Now we have the problem of how to arrange our future relationship with all of our trading partners. One of those issues is whether we should institute import checks on EU goods. Nobody has yet come up with a good reason why we should spend lots of money on checking imports from the EU. We already know that the standards there are good, and we used to import it all with no checks. Why should we start checking it now?"
Because it’s what the majority voted for and they knew this would happen. Strange but true,, apparently . |
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over a year ago
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
"
Now this claim has been completely rubbished and journalists like Robert Peston have had to apologise for promoting this fake news, will you be making a correction? |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up "
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. "
stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
Now this claim has been completely rubbished and journalists like Robert Peston have had to apologise for promoting this fake news, will you be making a correction?"
Do you mean this apology?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1530286130880561152 |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
Now this claim has been completely rubbished and journalists like Robert Peston have had to apologise for promoting this fake news, will you be making a correction?
Do you mean this apology?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1530286130880561152"
The one where he says he "got something stupidly WRONG." |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
"
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
Now this claim has been completely rubbished and journalists like Robert Peston have had to apologise for promoting this fake news, will you be making a correction?
Do you mean this apology?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1530286130880561152
The one where he says he "got something stupidly WRONG." "
Yes read it again . He’s apologising for not realising Boris would have to submit his resignation to himself .
So the original post stands Thanks |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?"
Not at all. I have friends from across the political spectrum and we don’t always see eye-to-eye but they have the ability to rationalise their views. Some true blue Tories who are disgusted with Johnson and this current Govt. Just like a growing number of Tory MPs.
Said it before on these forums, I truly do not believe Johnson is a Tory. He is an opportunistic ideological chameleon. All he cares about is himself. |
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"I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not.
No import checks so not done for years yet.
Brexit was all about us leaving the EU. We've done that now, so it's all over.
Now we have the problem of how to arrange our future relationship with all of our trading partners. One of those issues is whether we should institute import checks on EU goods. Nobody has yet come up with a good reason why we should spend lots of money on checking imports from the EU. We already know that the standards there are good, and we used to import it all with no checks. Why should we start checking it now?"
see I agree with this. Which is was why i never understood how any arrangement "wasn't the brexit we voted for". We voted to leave by whichever arrangement the government decided was best. Soft, hard, red white & blue. BINO.
The irony is we then voted in May, yet she was sabotaged from within. That's not democratic.
And then we voted in Boris. Who had a clearer vision. Oven ready infact. And he is then tuning on himself. That's not democratic either.
I vitwd remain, not because there as no version of brexit I couldn't support, but because there were plenty I wouldn't want. I couldn't vote for an open cheque. Others did and then complained it was banked. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?yes that’s about it spot on half his family and friends must swerve him at family doos lol"
Actually extremely popular and well respected thanks v much
Having strong views that you are able to support is generally something that garners respect, at least in my social and professional circles! |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.but he didn’t lie he got brexit done that’s what I voted for maybe if labour didn’t say they will respect the vote but then hold another vote and campaign to remain maybe they would of got my vote is Brexit done ?
I get confused as people keep talking about pulling out of hne NIP and so effectively restarting whole chunks of the process.
I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not. "
As far as i have read yes brexit is done as it means the UK leaving the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. That is done unless i am very much mistaken. Things like the NIP relate to the new relationship. Whatever happens with the NIP it will not change the fact brexit is done. In fact in my thoughts if the EU scrap the trade deal in retaliation then it means a harder brexit than we currently have. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. "
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"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?yes that’s about it spot on half his family and friends must swerve him at family doos lol
Actually extremely popular and well respected thanks v much
Having strong views that you are able to support is generally something that garners respect, at least in my social and professional circles!"
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By *irldnCouple
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes!
You should be totally embarrassed
Voting for this Cockwomble on a single topic. Did you not consider the Trojan Horse that was Brexit? Did you not consider the moral vacuum of BoJo?
Has Brexit Got Done? How’s that working out?okies lol so who should I of voted for Jeremy?
Lib Dem, or Green, or protest vote and spoil your ballot paper “none of the above” ie send a signal rather than settling for the sack of lard with no morals.
Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.but he didn’t lie he got brexit done that’s what I voted for maybe if labour didn’t say they will respect the vote but then hold another vote and campaign to remain maybe they would of got my vote is Brexit done ?
I get confused as people keep talking about pulling out of hne NIP and so effectively restarting whole chunks of the process.
I still haven't worked out what brexit is, and so how one measures when it is done or not.
As far as i have read yes brexit is done as it means the UK leaving the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. That is done unless i am very much mistaken. Things like the NIP relate to the new relationship. Whatever happens with the NIP it will not change the fact brexit is done. In fact in my thoughts if the EU scrap the trade deal in retaliation then it means a harder brexit than we currently have."
Not trying to have a dig but I think people trying to claim Brexit is done are either naive or being disingenuous.
When you divorce, the actual divorce (decree absolute) is only half the task. While you have legally terminated the relationship, you are still required to sort out how to divide your assets and if there are kids, what custody and visitation rights each party has.
That is why the referendum should have been a two stage process.
Step 1: Leave EU or Remain in EU.
Step 2: If majority want to leave then what sort of future relationship should the UK have with the EU.
It would have stopped a tonne of arguing and tI truly believe the majority in the Remain camp would have been more gracious and accepting as the economic damage could have been better mitigated.
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By *irldnCouple
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"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?yes that’s about it spot on half his family and friends must swerve him at family doos lol
Actually extremely popular and well respected thanks v much
Having strong views that you are able to support is generally something that garners respect, at least in my social and professional circles! it was a post for jackal mate sorry "
Except you quoted someone who was quoting me! |
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"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?yes that’s about it spot on half his family and friends must swerve him at family doos lol
Actually extremely popular and well respected thanks v much
Having strong views that you are able to support is generally something that garners respect, at least in my social and professional circles! it was a post for jackal mate sorry
Except you quoted someone who was quoting me!"
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. why didn’t Cameron’s leaflet influence the vote then did remain not tell ie then if corbyn was a waste of time is that not the fault of labour "
Corbyn and momentum was totally labours fault . Just as the ring wing of Boris and his clan are the fault of the tories.
Cameron told the truths about leaving which no one liked as they were depressing he also gave into the right wing pressure like a kitten so no I don’t support Cameron’s behaviour either. There should never have been a vote in the first place. Anyone who actually bothered to look at the benefits against the negatives could only see remaining was by far the best choice for today and tomorrow. . Boris is off the scale of a liar and a cheat only interested in himself. He openly admitted the bus was lying whilst he was sitting in the fucking bus!!
Look at Patel saying the EU use Rwanda for rejected immigrants . They do but only as a transit stop for Africans on their way home through the UNHCR. It’s not the destination but Patel doesn’t mention that important but. The foreign office say it’s not safe for U.K. residents and there us no legal agreement to care for those immigrants if any are abused. There is no legal recourse if they are just shot!
What are we doing introducing such a disgusting project. I hope it’s another dead cat.
10 million people who live and work in the U.K. weren’t born here and the cabinet and papers are in meltdown because 9000 extra have arrived by boat so far . Perspective !!!
Raab won’t answer when he went on holiday publicly because he left after the fall of Kabul not before. Nadine Dorris just bloody hell, how?!
Boris lies weekly he needs to go. We as a nation deserve so much better.
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"Nobody has yet come up with a good reason why we should spend lots of money on checking imports from the EU. We already know that the standards there are good, and we used to import it all with no checks. Why should we start checking it now?"
"Because it’s what the majority voted for and they knew this would happen. Strange but true,, apparently . "
So you're saying that the people voted to waste money on pointless bureaucratic checking of imports? I don't remember that coming up in the debates. |
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"Nobody has yet come up with a good reason why we should spend lots of money on checking imports from the EU. We already know that the standards there are good, and we used to import it all with no checks. Why should we start checking it now?
Because it’s what the majority voted for and they knew this would happen. Strange but true,, apparently .
So you're saying that the people voted to waste money on pointless bureaucratic checking of imports? I don't remember that coming up in the debates."
It did, many times. It was labelled "project fear".
Apparently people who voted leave "knew what they were voting for". |
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"When you divorce, the actual divorce (decree absolute) is only half the task. While you have legally terminated the relationship, you are still required to sort out how to divide your assets and if there are kids, what custody and visitation rights each party has."
Have you got that right. I'm not an expert, but I seem to remember that the Decree Nisi was the half-way bit and you couldn't get the Decree Absolute until you had both signed an agreement on the division of assets. |
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"So you're saying that the people voted to waste money on pointless bureaucratic checking of imports? I don't remember that coming up in the debates."
"It did, many times. It was labelled "project fear".
Apparently people who voted leave "knew what they were voting for". "
If that's the case then clearly the people voted for no border checks, because that's what we've got. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Or if you truly think you made a mistake (we all do) them own it. Say I voted for a Johnson led govt but not realise I was taken in by their lies and deceit and totally regret it. I’d have huge respect for anyone brave enough to admit that rather than those doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence that BoJo is a liar and a crook.
So you have huge respect for anyone that agrees with you, and nothing but contempt for those that have a different opinion?
Have I got that right?yes that’s about it spot on half his family and friends must swerve him at family doos lol
Actually extremely popular and well respected thanks v much
Having strong views that you are able to support is generally something that garners respect, at least in my social and professional circles! it was a post for jackal mate sorry
Except you quoted someone who was quoting me! we’ll I said sorry what do you Want me head on a pole lol"
Well seeing as you asked
Nah was just explaining why I thought it was aimed at me, ie a quote chain.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"When you divorce, the actual divorce (decree absolute) is only half the task. While you have legally terminated the relationship, you are still required to sort out how to divide your assets and if there are kids, what custody and visitation rights each party has.
Have you got that right. I'm not an expert, but I seem to remember that the Decree Nisi was the half-way bit and you couldn't get the Decree Absolute until you had both signed an agreement on the division of assets."
Possibly, either way the analogy stands. Sort out the division of assets and future relationship before final divorce, ie brexit not done yet! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is. "
That’s lovely. There will always be some who do well out of every situation. However, by the Govt own calculations, the country as a whole is worse off by £billions each year. |
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"So you're saying that the people voted to waste money on pointless bureaucratic checking of imports? I don't remember that coming up in the debates.
It did, many times. It was labelled "project fear".
Apparently people who voted leave "knew what they were voting for".
If that's the case then clearly the people voted for no border checks, because that's what we've got."
I suspect that people who voted leave did so because they believed some various elements of the propaganda, and all had something they latched onto.
All the real life impacts of Brexit were well known and debated at length, before all being written off as "project fear". So it's not like leavers weren't warned what would happen, they just chose to believe in the propaganda fed to them by the small handful of people who were set to benefit from it. |
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is. "
JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
He's also laughing while the rest of us are worse off. |
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is.
JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
He's also laughing while the rest of us are worse off."
Yeah, my friend who's worked 60 hour weeks sleeping in a cab for years is just like JRM Of course socialists hate seeing work ing class people doing well, better they are dependent on the Govt heh ? |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is. "
Hey good for him but also ask his customers how good it is. Also if he travels internationally ask him how fabulous that is too. Hold ups on the way out but nothing on the way in strangely.
Is that good or bad for business based in the U.K.? |
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is.
JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
He's also laughing while the rest of us are worse off.
Yeah, my friend who's worked 60 hour weeks sleeping in a cab for years is just like JRM Of course socialists hate seeing work ing class people doing well, better they are dependent on the Govt heh ?"
No idea what socialists think, or why you're so confused.
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is.
Hey good for him but also ask his customers how good it is. Also if he travels internationally ask him how fabulous that is too. Hold ups on the way out but nothing on the way in strangely.
Is that good or bad for business based in the U.K.? "
what was he earning before? |
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is.
Hey good for him but also ask his customers how good it is. Also if he travels internationally ask him how fabulous that is too. Hold ups on the way out but nothing on the way in strangely.
Is that good or bad for business based in the U.K.? what was he earning before? "
35 in a good year. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"When you divorce, the actual divorce (decree absolute) is only half the task. While you have legally terminated the relationship, you are still required to sort out how to divide your assets and if there are kids, what custody and visitation rights each party has.
Have you got that right. I'm not an expert, but I seem to remember that the Decree Nisi was the half-way bit and you couldn't get the Decree Absolute until you had both signed an agreement on the division of assets."
"When you divorce, the actual divorce (decree absolute) is only half the task. While you have legally terminated the relationship, you are still required to sort out how to divide your assets and if there are kids, what custody and visitation rights each party has.
Have you got that right. I'm not an expert, but I seem to remember that the Decree Nisi was the half-way bit and you couldn't get the Decree Absolute until you had both signed an agreement on the division of assets."
Everything I have seen on the subject says brexit is the legal separation of the UK from the EU which happened. What ever the future relationship is or if it changes does not change the fact that brexit has happened. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. why didn’t Cameron’s leaflet influence the vote then did remain not tell ie then if corbyn was a waste of time is that not the fault of labour
Corbyn and momentum was totally labours fault . Just as the ring wing of Boris and his clan are the fault of the tories.
Cameron told the truths about leaving which no one liked as they were depressing he also gave into the right wing pressure like a kitten so no I don’t support Cameron’s behaviour either. There should never have been a vote in the first place. Anyone who actually bothered to look at the benefits against the negatives could only see remaining was by far the best choice for today and tomorrow. . Boris is off the scale of a liar and a cheat only interested in himself. He openly admitted the bus was lying whilst he was sitting in the fucking bus!!
Look at Patel saying the EU use Rwanda for rejected immigrants . They do but only as a transit stop for Africans on their way home through the UNHCR. It’s not the destination but Patel doesn’t mention that important but. The foreign office say it’s not safe for U.K. residents and there us no legal agreement to care for those immigrants if any are abused. There is no legal recourse if they are just shot!
What are we doing introducing such a disgusting project. I hope it’s another dead cat.
10 million people who live and work in the U.K. weren’t born here and the cabinet and papers are in meltdown because 9000 extra have arrived by boat so far . Perspective !!!
Raab won’t answer when he went on holiday publicly because he left after the fall of Kabul not before. Nadine Dorris just bloody hell, how?!
Boris lies weekly he needs to go. We as a nation deserve so much better.
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
Is there any evidence for that?"
I do not think that there is . A lot of the investments are in emerging markets and it is a bit of an exaggeration to claim the the currency movement on an estimated £7 million pound dividend would suddenly become hundreds of millions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SCM invests in emerging markets like China and Russia and one expert said that the fall in the value of the pound since the referendum result has helped SCM’s profits. Mr Rees-Mogg denied that the increase in SCM’s earnings was related to Brexit describing such claims as “living in cloud cuckoo land”.
He also rejected claims that SCM’s decision in the past year to open two new funds in Dublin rather than London had anything to with Brexit. “Our decision to do it predates Brexit,” he told the programme. |
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"My mate drive an HGV and is now earning about 50k a year. When he gets back from Antigua I'm going to tell him how bad Brexit is.
Hey good for him but also ask his customers how good it is. Also if he travels internationally ask him how fabulous that is too. Hold ups on the way out but nothing on the way in strangely.
Is that good or bad for business based in the U.K.? "
If you think hold ups both ways on the French border is new to lorry drivers I've got a Channel Bridge to sell you. |
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit."
"Is there any evidence for that?"
"I do not think that there is ..."
So it's not hundreds of millions, it's not being made by JRM, and it's not related to the value of sterling.
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. "
. I cannot see a single piece of evidence that the county is being destroyed in any way. House prices have not collapse and many businesses are performing better than expected. Maybe start reading the accounts and directors reports of some companies and you will realise that politics is of little interest to directors of companies . Hospitals are all open and running as per normal as are social services and a wide variety of other public sector resources . The issues we face are beyond the control of the government, namely the energy crisis and a shortage of electronic chips .
Boris was voted in because the public had confidence in his abilities. His track record speaks for itself.
A successfull management of Brexit , good management of Covid based on data using excess deaths and the citizens of Ukraine think more highly of him than any other world leader.
It looks like we have a winner . Kier Starmer and Ed Davey can hardly even get off the starting line.
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. why didn’t Cameron’s leaflet influence the vote then did remain not tell ie then if corbyn was a waste of time is that not the fault of labour
Corbyn and momentum was totally labours fault . Just as the ring wing of Boris and his clan are the fault of the tories.
Cameron told the truths about leaving which no one liked as they were depressing he also gave into the right wing pressure like a kitten so no I don’t support Cameron’s behaviour either. There should never have been a vote in the first place. Anyone who actually bothered to look at the benefits against the negatives could only see remaining was by far the best choice for today and tomorrow. . Boris is off the scale of a liar and a cheat only interested in himself. He openly admitted the bus was lying whilst he was sitting in the fucking bus!!
Look at Patel saying the EU use Rwanda for rejected immigrants . They do but only as a transit stop for Africans on their way home through the UNHCR. It’s not the destination but Patel doesn’t mention that important but. The foreign office say it’s not safe for U.K. residents and there us no legal agreement to care for those immigrants if any are abused. There is no legal recourse if they are just shot!
What are we doing introducing such a disgusting project. I hope it’s another dead cat.
10 million people who live and work in the U.K. weren’t born here and the cabinet and papers are in meltdown because 9000 extra have arrived by boat so far . Perspective !!!
Raab won’t answer when he went on holiday publicly because he left after the fall of Kabul not before. Nadine Dorris just bloody hell, how?!
Boris lies weekly he needs to go. We as a nation deserve so much better.
there ya go there should never of Ben a vote wtf why shouldn’t the people decide there own future who are you to say we should of had a vote the U.K. is a democracy the politicians work for the people the people voted we left get over it man some arrogance on here today "
The vote wouldn’t have been needed if people were educated on he truth but information definitely was needed on the truth. . That would have resulted in people seeing the real benefits. It’s not arrogance it’s enlightenment. If you don’t know what your voting for how can you make an educated decision. People were swept up in the bullshit of those who wanted Brexit. It was never a good thing for most people in this country. Common sense was blinded buy vested interests. If people were not fed shit for years they wouldn’t have considered leaving. It makes them worse off so why would they.
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. . I cannot see a single piece of evidence that the county is being destroyed in any way. House prices have not collapse and many businesses are performing better than expected. Maybe start reading the accounts and directors reports of some companies and you will realise that politics is of little interest to directors of companies . Hospitals are all open and running as per normal as are social services and a wide variety of other public sector resources . The issues we face are beyond the control of the government, namely the energy crisis and a shortage of electronic chips .
Boris was voted in because the public had confidence in his abilities. His track record speaks for itself.
A successfull management of Brexit , good management of Covid based on data using excess deaths and the citizens of Ukraine think more highly of him than any other world leader.
It looks like we have a winner . Kier Starmer and Ed Davey can hardly even get off the starting line.
If our country was doing as badly as you suggest or had a grim future we would not be seeing the number of takeovers that we currently see on both AIM and the FTSE "
What a pathetically offensive person you are. A friend of mine died recently ( three weeks ago) and it was only the week before they spent 14 hours in an ambulance after suffering a stroke. They had a scan after five hours of waiting and we’re then put back in the ambulance due to a lack of beds.
You’re trolling is ignorant and a sign of your lack of intelligence along with zero comprehension, so please just move on. |
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. . I cannot see a single piece of evidence that the country is being destroyed in any way. House prices have not collapsed and many businesses are performing better than expected. Maybe start reading the accounts and directors reports of some companies and you will realise that politics is of little interest to directors of companies . Hospitals are all open and running as per normal as are social services and a wide variety of other public sector resources . The issues we face are beyond the control of the government, namely the energy crisis and a shortage of electronic chips .
Boris was voted in because the public had confidence in his abilities. His track record speaks for itself.
A successfull management of Brexit , good management of Covid based on data using excess deaths and the citizens of Ukraine think more highly of him than any other world leader.
It looks like we have a winner . Kier Starmer and Ed Davey can hardly even get off the starting line.
If our country was doing as badly as you suggest or had a grim future we would not be seeing the number of takeovers that we currently see on both AIM and the FTSE
What a pathetically offensive person you are. A friend of mine died recently ( three weeks ago) and it was only the week before they spent 14 hours in an ambulance after suffering a stroke. They had a scan after five hours of waiting and we’re then put back in the ambulance due to a lack of beds.
You’re trolling is ignorant and a sign of your lack of intelligence along with zero comprehension, so please just move on. "
. Maybe the truth hurts . Yours is not the only experience of the UK health service. When my mother was ill in hospital she was put on a bed in the corridor. I did not complain and neither did she . We simply accepted that the hospital was under pressure and acted accordingly. My father died of a stroke and I did not blame the hospital in any way.
An ambulance has all the facilities required to look after a patient and in many ways is similar to a private room . Anyone in an ambulance would still be cared for by nursing staff . Seriously ill patients are given priority .
Many people recognise that the UK is performing well in recent years. Take a walk down town and see how many people are drinking £3 cups of coffee.
It is hardly offensive or trolling to support the government. They were voted in by the majority of the electorate and many people like to take pride in their county , not constantly run it down.
I realise that strokes are horrible things but I am not quite certain of the correlation between an illness and an assessment of how the country and government are performing.
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"I need to apologise for my personal attack on hay. I withdraw the coment and refer my criticism to his views and posts. Sorry for any offence caused. "
Accepted . It is only an Internet forum so people would not normally be offended by Internet posts . I always rely on real life feedback . Apology appreciated .
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. . I cannot see a single piece of evidence that the country is being destroyed in any way. House prices have not collapsed and many businesses are performing better than expected. Maybe start reading the accounts and directors reports of some companies and you will realise that politics is of little interest to directors of companies . Hospitals are all open and running as per normal as are social services and a wide variety of other public sector resources . The issues we face are beyond the control of the government, namely the energy crisis and a shortage of electronic chips .
Boris was voted in because the public had confidence in his abilities. His track record speaks for itself.
A successfull management of Brexit , good management of Covid based on data using excess deaths and the citizens of Ukraine think more highly of him than any other world leader.
It looks like we have a winner . Kier Starmer and Ed Davey can hardly even get off the starting line.
If our country was doing as badly as you suggest or had a grim future we would not be seeing the number of takeovers that we currently see on both AIM and the FTSE
What a pathetically offensive person you are. A friend of mine died recently ( three weeks ago) and it was only the week before they spent 14 hours in an ambulance after suffering a stroke. They had a scan after five hours of waiting and we’re then put back in the ambulance due to a lack of beds.
You’re trolling is ignorant and a sign of your lack of intelligence along with zero comprehension, so please just move on. . Maybe the truth hurts . Yours is not the only experience of the UK health service. When my mother was ill in hospital she was put on a bed in the corridor. I did not complain and neither did she . We simply accepted that the hospital was under pressure and acted accordingly. My father died of a stroke and I did not blame the hospital in any way.
An ambulance has all the facilities required to look after a patient and in many ways is similar to a private room . Anyone in an ambulance would still be cared for by nursing staff . Seriously ill patients are given priority .
Many people recognise that the UK is performing well in recent years. Take a walk down town and see how many people are drinking £3 cups of coffee.
It is hardly offensive or trolling to support the government. They were voted in by the majority of the electorate and many people like to take pride in their county , not constantly run it down.
I realise that strokes are horrible things but I am not quite certain of the correlation between an illness and an assessment of how the country and government are performing.
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In regards to this
My sympathies for your loss furstkyvand foremost.
Drinking coffee hardly reflects positively compared to the chronic staff shortages of staff in the NHS and care homes brought about by Brexit and subsequent poor government planning. . The fact we have a crisis in both fields shows the total failure of the governments policies. Prior to a Boris government the issues was being managed and beds in both hospitals and care homes were available.
Less people are unemployed due to older people retiring and no new workers however, less people have jobs too so less tax revenue. This is a negative impact dirt he country.
So far as a western so called advanced society is concerned we can’t treat someone in a hospital due to the fact there aren’t enough beds available . If you believe that is a sign of success then we all need to worry if things go bad in your eyes.
Additionally an ambulance is in no way similar to be a high dependency bed in a hospital so please don’t not compare the two.
As for the correlation point you mention. If someone is ill and the country can’t give them full adequate treatment due to Ba la k if staff and beds then that is simply a failure of the government and its policies.
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
Is there any evidence for that?
Yes. It was widely reported everywhere. "
It is quiet easy to make " legal taxes paid" money from a devaluing currency like the pound.
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
Is there any evidence for that?
Yes. It was widely reported everywhere.
It is quiet easy to make " legal taxes paid" money from a devaluing currency like the pound.
"
Yeah. His company left the UK, shorted the pound, and then made fucking millions from brexit. |
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"The majority of the UK voted Conservative. #Fact
They didn’t. That is not how FPTP works. #Fact
Are you ok with Johnson changing the Ministerial Code? Do you think that is democratic?
Britain doesn’t have a FPTP system.
Oh dear! Do you ever fact check your facts before posting them as #fact? Google is an amazing and easy tool to use!
Gotta say that ranks up there with your statement “Channel 4 is taxpayer funded”. Both completely wrong!
Because I am in a generous mood I will save you 20 seconds and copy this from the UK Parliament website...
“First-past-the-post is a type of electoral system. In the UK it is the system used for the election of MPs to the House of Commons and for some local government elections.”"
Read my earlier comment. Case and point! |
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Let's be honest who ever was PM they would get slagged of on here,now the lib not so dems want a pact with labour,so they Really can't be that confident of removing the torys alone,Boris will be gone before the next election and 2 years is a long time. |
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"Let's be honest who ever was PM they would get slagged of on here,now the lib not so dems want a pact with labour,so they Really can't be that confident of removing the torys alone,Boris will be gone before the next election and 2 years is a long time."
They would be slagged off if they were a self serving lying sack of shit. Yes. |
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
Is there any evidence for that?
Yes. It was widely reported everywhere.
It is quiet easy to make " legal taxes paid" money from a devaluing currency like the pound.
Yeah. His company left the UK, shorted the pound, and then made fucking millions from brexit."
. Do you have the dates and amount of money involved. ? Somerset Asset Management is not exclusively his company. There are various other shareholders . When I checked the only thing that I could find was an estimated dividend payment of £7 million pounds based on his entitlement to profits available for distribution. What is the source of your information and do you have the calculations as to how you arrived at this figure. ? |
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"And now we are regretting it…
I for the record didn’t vote Tory. Nor would I ever…."
I would, if they could somehow demonstrate that they had the interests of British people as a priority, instead of themselves, their pals, and big corporations as they do today.
They're so far away from that right now that I can't imagine that ever changing in my lifetime. |
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit."
"Is there any evidence for that?"
"Yes. It was widely reported everywhere."
Well I've had a good scout round and I am unable to find anything that matches your claims. I find a lot of stories about Somerset Capital Management making money by buying undervalued companies in foreign countries, but nothing about making money due to a fall in Sterling.
Besides which Jacob Rees-Mogg is not Somerset Capital Management. Yes, he owns shares in it, but he isn't a director and cannot determine what investments they make.
"It is quiet easy to make " legal taxes paid" money from a devaluing currency like the pound."
Yes it is, but that isn't what happened in this case.
"Yeah. His company left the UK, shorted the pound, and then made fucking millions from brexit."
SCM didn't leave the UK, it's still based in London, as you can see from the Companies House records: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/OC327862
So, can you post any link to evidence that either JRM or SCM made money due to a fall in Sterling? |
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"JRM made 100s of millions from collapsing the value of sterling through brexit.
Is there any evidence for that?
Yes. It was widely reported everywhere.
Well I've had a good scout round and I am unable to find anything that matches your claims. I find a lot of stories about Somerset Capital Management making money by buying undervalued companies in foreign countries, but nothing about making money due to a fall in Sterling.
Besides which Jacob Rees-Mogg is not Somerset Capital Management. Yes, he owns shares in it, but he isn't a director and cannot determine what investments they make.
It is quiet easy to make " legal taxes paid" money from a devaluing currency like the pound.
Yes it is, but that isn't what happened in this case.
Yeah. His company left the UK, shorted the pound, and then made fucking millions from brexit.
SCM didn't leave the UK, it's still based in London, as you can see from the Companies House records: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/OC327862
So, can you post any link to evidence that either JRM or SCM made money due to a fall in Sterling?"
You didn't look very hard. It was everywhere.
You might be able to post links, but it's against the forum rules to do so.
If you're someone who questions the Tories, people follow you around the forums and hound you, send abusive DMs, insulting you and report any minor breech of forum rules to get you banned. So if you are genuinely interested, I'm sure you can find it, but I won't post links.
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"If you're someone who questions the Tories, people follow you around the forums and hound you, send abusive DMs, insulting you and report any minor breech of forum rules to get you banned."
I hadn't realised that others were in a similar position regarding insults, abusive DM's and getting reported (and subsequently barred) due to my anti Brexit and anti Tory posts and opinions.
Good to know that I am not alone however sad to realise that this is the state of the nation. |
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""If you're someone who questions the Tories, people follow you around the forums and hound you, send abusive DMs, insulting you and report any minor breech of forum rules to get you banned."
I hadn't realised that others were in a similar position regarding insults, abusive DM's and getting reported (and subsequently barred) due to my anti Brexit and anti Tory posts and opinions.
Good to know that I am not alone however sad to realise that this is the state of the nation."
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Remember some of you who voted for this man!
This is where we are going.
The Government are watering down the rules of conduct to avoid resigning. No independent enquiries into his behaviour either is part of the rule changes proposed.
Autocracy here we come.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches
I voted for him only to get brexit done would you like me to hang my head in shame lol
Yes
For that very reason!!
That’s been his ticket to power and it’s also disaster . You had the choice despite you being mislead by one side.
Boris and the Tories are taking that choice slowly but surely. my choice was torries and brexit labour and another vote it was an easy choice for me mate it’s called democracy respect the choice of the people as I’m sure you have family and friends who chose tory do you want them to hang there heads in shame if so grow the fuck up
Stroppy tw*t ! Was that needed? You having a bad morning?
The truth is I voted Tory many times before this shower came along . I knew of Boris and knew he was full of shit so yes I agree with you it’s always a choice and always should be.
The fact the bias media and the Brexit campaign lied repeatedly to influence your view means I believe many people including you were mislead so made a corrupted choice. Unless you think being worse off and having less opportunities for your children is less important than freeing ourselves from the financially beneficial shackles of the EU.
Project fear is now proven project reality . That’s fact.
As for family yes I do give those who voted leave a hard time. Some still argue some accept they were wrong. In the case of the ones who refuse to admit it was a mistake they are sadly just racist arseholes so won’t change any views. ( older generation)
I’m not saying all those who refuse to admit it was a mistake are racist just those ignorant fuckers I know, so don’t threaten to jump up and down or hold your breath!
Shockingly 18% still think it’s a good idea . Even the daily Express was slating Brexit delays at dover . Shock horror of horrors!! Yet they knew Brexit was a good idea and told you so every day. stop blaming the media and lies mate the vote waslrave or stay pretty straight forward labour fucked up big time saying they will respect the vote bute have another one and campaign to remain that’s where it was lost blame corbyn for that
The media and lies influenced the Brexit vote that’s a fact.
Corbyn was a waste of time I totally agree and he should have voted remain as it’s the workers who suffer from Brexit, I would never ever vote for Brexit for financial reasons and Boris for moral reasons.
I would vote green or liberal over Boris . I haven’t decided on Starmer but again rather him than Boris.
Boris and his incompetent cabinet are destroying this country with their lies and corruption. . I cannot see a single piece of evidence that the country is being destroyed in any way. House prices have not collapsed and many businesses are performing better than expected. Maybe start reading the accounts and directors reports of some companies and you will realise that politics is of little interest to directors of companies . Hospitals are all open and running as per normal as are social services and a wide variety of other public sector resources . The issues we face are beyond the control of the government, namely the energy crisis and a shortage of electronic chips .
Boris was voted in because the public had confidence in his abilities. His track record speaks for itself.
A successfull management of Brexit , good management of Covid based on data using excess deaths and the citizens of Ukraine think more highly of him than any other world leader.
It looks like we have a winner . Kier Starmer and Ed Davey can hardly even get off the starting line.
If our country was doing as badly as you suggest or had a grim future we would not be seeing the number of takeovers that we currently see on both AIM and the FTSE
What a pathetically offensive person you are. A friend of mine died recently ( three weeks ago) and it was only the week before they spent 14 hours in an ambulance after suffering a stroke. They had a scan after five hours of waiting and we’re then put back in the ambulance due to a lack of beds.
You’re trolling is ignorant and a sign of your lack of intelligence along with zero comprehension, so please just move on. . Maybe the truth hurts . Yours is not the only experience of the UK health service. When my mother was ill in hospital she was put on a bed in the corridor. I did not complain and neither did she . We simply accepted that the hospital was under pressure and acted accordingly. My father died of a stroke and I did not blame the hospital in any way.
An ambulance has all the facilities required to look after a patient and in many ways is similar to a private room . Anyone in an ambulance would still be cared for by nursing staff . Seriously ill patients are given priority .
Many people recognise that the UK is performing well in recent years. Take a walk down town and see how many people are drinking £3 cups of coffee.
It is hardly offensive or trolling to support the government. They were voted in by the majority of the electorate and many people like to take pride in their county , not constantly run it down.
I realise that strokes are horrible things but I am not quite certain of the correlation between an illness and an assessment of how the country and government are performing.
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"So, can you post any link to evidence that either JRM or SCM made money due to a fall in Sterling?"
"You didn't look very hard. It was everywhere."
I looked quite hard, and I found nothing at all.
"You might be able to post links, but it's against the forum rules to do so."
No it isn't.
The forum Rules say:
" Links to other sites
We have restrictions on where you can link to because otherwise people end up posting spam or links to places that host malware/spyware and it's bad for our users.
You can link to:
Any well recognised news site (bbc, times, telegraph, sun, notw, cnn and all the rest)
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So there's nothing stopping you posting a link to any news story about JRM or SCM and how they operate.
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"I'm not getting such an experience... Does that mean I'm a tory ? "
You'll find that very few people are either 100% Labour or 100% Tory, it's a spectrum. You shouldn't worry about labels. Just do what feels right for you. |
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"I'm not getting such an experience... Does that mean I'm a tory ?
You'll find that very few people are either 100% Labour or 100% Tory, it's a spectrum. You shouldn't worry about labels. Just do what feels right for you. "
agreed
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""If you're someone who questions the Tories, people follow you around the forums and hound you, send abusive DMs, insulting you and report any minor breech of forum rules to get you banned."
I hadn't realised that others were in a similar position regarding insults, abusive DM's and getting reported (and subsequently barred) due to my anti Brexit and anti Tory posts and opinions.
Good to know that I am not alone however sad to realise that this is the state of the nation.It works both ways mate if you break the rules you get time out whoever you are or are you implying that all the mods are pro Tory and brexit? "
I'm not impling that the mods are pro anything.
But some pro Tories here report anyone who questions the government, or brexit for posting links. And the mods do what they need to do.
Maybe it happens the other way around sometimes too. I don't blindly defend brexit and the government against all logic and reason. So who knows. |
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"So, can you post any link to evidence that either JRM or SCM made money due to a fall in Sterling?
You didn't look very hard. It was everywhere.
I looked quite hard, and I found nothing at all.
You might be able to post links, but it's against the forum rules to do so.
No it isn't.
The forum Rules say:
" Links to other sites
We have restrictions on where you can link to because otherwise people end up posting spam or links to places that host malware/spyware and it's bad for our users.
You can link to:
Any well recognised news site (bbc, times, telegraph, sun, notw, cnn and all the rest)
Youtube
Lovehoney
Wikipedia"
So there's nothing stopping you posting a link to any news story about JRM or SCM and how they operate.
Unlesss they don't exist of course."
You seem determined to not believe the reality of the situation. I'm not about to be lured into a forum ban for posting links, which would choose to not believe anyway. So this seems pointless.
A 30 second Google would show you how JRM profited from brexit. |
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"You seem determined to not believe the reality of the situation. I'm not about to be lured into a forum ban for posting links ..."
Fair enough, I don't want you to risk a forum ban.
So how about you post the name of a news site, and the headline of an article? Then I can look it up and see for myself. |
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Johnson defenders are getting ever thinner on the ground here. But there are still a few diehard believers, happy to ignore his ever growing mountain of lies + corruption. |
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"BBC News - Boris Johnson missed chance to improve ministerial standards, watchdog says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61637458"
"Johnson defenders are getting ever thinner on the ground here. But there are still a few diehard believers, happy to ignore his ever growing mountain of lies + corruption."
To be fair to the man, that BBC story basically boils down to "The Standards Chairman says that the old standards weren't good, and Boris has improved them, but not as much as the chairman wanted, leaving the chairman 'slightly disappointed'".
It's not exactly a scathing indictment of Boris. There are plenty of reasons to attack Boris, but this story is a pretty weak one. |
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"BBC News - Boris Johnson missed chance to improve ministerial standards, watchdog says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61637458
Johnson defenders are getting ever thinner on the ground here. But there are still a few diehard believers, happy to ignore his ever growing mountain of lies + corruption.
To be fair to the man, that BBC story basically boils down to "The Standards Chairman says that the old standards weren't good, and Boris has improved them, but not as much as the chairman wanted, leaving the chairman 'slightly disappointed'".
It's not exactly a scathing indictment of Boris. There are plenty of reasons to attack Boris, but this story is a pretty weak one."
Oh I've stopped counting the number of times johnson has lied + acted shittily by now. It's all just another bit to add to mount bullshit at this point. |
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"BBC News - Boris Johnson missed chance to improve ministerial standards, watchdog says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61637458
Johnson defenders are getting ever thinner on the ground here. But there are still a few diehard believers, happy to ignore his ever growing mountain of lies + corruption.
To be fair to the man, that BBC story basically boils down to "The Standards Chairman says that the old standards weren't good, and Boris has improved them, but not as much as the chairman wanted, leaving the chairman 'slightly disappointed'".
It's not exactly a scathing indictment of Boris. There are plenty of reasons to attack Boris, but this story is a pretty weak one."
aha, so I posted this because a poster (now unlos) was claiming that Boris was simply rolling out the recommendations of the review. And to suggest otherwise was fake news.
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I think the best way to live lives and be as happy as you can is not get involved all your doing by voting is swapping one asshole for another a bit like an anal gang bang I have no intentions of taking part in one and I have no intentions of voting also. Waste of time. If Boris can take stand as primary minister nothing shocks me. He party’s harder than I do. And I used to party a lot.  |
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