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"No he is not out of touch,who should pay ?" £500,000 for party gate, Tories wasting more public money; in excess £50BN £9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans £4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE £36,000,000,000 track and trace £850,000,000 eat out to help out £72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane £53,000,000 garden bridge project written off £25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes £900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study £900,000 repainting Johnson’s voyager plane £500,000 police cost investigating partygate £320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap £3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch Guess who’s paying not the tax dodging chancellor. | |||
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"Is he out of touch ? He used to write a weekly column in the Telegraph for £250,000 annual salary Chancellor is a non dom, green card tax dodger who’s wife has family wealth of £4.3BN. Rishi poses in a Kia Rio at the petrol pump while he has four luxury cars at home, a £400K gym and £13k annual heating bill for his swimming pool. Do these privileged people have a clue how ordinary folk live on £500 a week average pay; 12% interest on student loans, highest rents in EU, higher gas bills coming, extra national insurance and inflation. " We’re not in the EU. So the highest rents claim can’t be right. Does overtime not pay extra? | |||
"Quite right #GettingOnWithTheJob "What job? And what is with the #? This isn’t Twitter  | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies? "There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft. | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft. "Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ? | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?"The ones I directly have are anywhere (in the world). The client roles - though Only have anecdotal Knowledge of those are a mix of locations. Mids. N.west. Mostly London. | |||
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"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
The ones I directly have are anywhere (in the world). The client roles - though Only have anecdotal Knowledge of those are a mix of locations. Mids. N.west. Mostly London. "Tbh, I meant jobs in general. Having an abundance of job vacancies is only beneficial if you have enough willing and trained people for those roles, | |||
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"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?"Sorry, did not fully answer your question. As for the backfill. Well that’s been the same since year dot someone moves. They get a promotion. Someone from their old org steps up, there’s a cascade etc. same as it ever was. There are industries in decline and industries that are growing. People have transferable skills. Has this not been the way for years? Or is your point that the work is maybe not in the same place as the people with bills to pay? | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
Sorry, did not fully answer your question. As for the backfill. Well that’s been the same since year dot someone moves. They get a promotion. Someone from their old org steps up, there’s a cascade etc. same as it ever was.
There are industries in decline and industries that are growing. People have transferable skills. Has this not been the way for years?
Or is your point that the work is maybe not in the same place as the people with bills to pay? "Most of these ‘new’ vacancies are in hospitality , care, agriculture , driving etc, usually low paid , long hours, physical work that won’t be attractive to a person already in a job unless they leave a similar job and that doesn’t solve the problem | |||
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"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
The ones I directly have are anywhere (in the world). The client roles - though Only have anecdotal Knowledge of those are a mix of locations. Mids. N.west. Mostly London.
Tbh, I meant jobs in general. Having an abundance of job vacancies is only beneficial if you have enough willing and trained people for those roles, "But the context if this thread is people facing increased costs. The Boris response was work. Now I’m playing devil’s advocate - as being a champagne socialist at heart - I’m with you that the answer to all ills is higher tax and handouts. But: if I earn £500 a week and my bills go up ti £550. Getting a better paid job, or another part time job. Might help. And a buoyant job market (more demand than supply) helps those who have time to spend working surely? It would be far better than the converse of 3m unemployed and only 1m jobs surely? The thread is in context of individual bill payers - not in the wider economic growth. We're supposed to be upping our skills and wages. There’s NEVER been a better tike tondo that. Not in my near 1/2 century lifetime anyway. | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft. "I was only joking, I already have a job but I appreciate your concern for my willingness to graft  | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
Sorry, did not fully answer your question. As for the backfill. Well that’s been the same since year dot someone moves. They get a promotion. Someone from their old org steps up, there’s a cascade etc. same as it ever was.
There are industries in decline and industries that are growing. People have transferable skills. Has this not been the way for years?
Or is your point that the work is maybe not in the same place as the people with bills to pay?
Most of these ‘new’ vacancies are in hospitality , care, agriculture , driving etc, usually low paid , long hours, physical work that won’t be attractive to a person already in a job unless they leave a similar job and that doesn’t solve the problem "And if the jobs go unfilled for a lengthy period if time - the private enterprises at least - will have to pony up. Or change their business model. Harder for the state run jobs though as they have to manage different rules. Drivers you say. Were companies not offering much better wages to drivers recently. I’m sure it was all over the news as some might say | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
I was only joking, I already have a job but I appreciate your concern for my willingness to graft "Lol. It was a general point. Not directed personally at you btw. | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
The ones I directly have are anywhere (in the world). The client roles - though Only have anecdotal Knowledge of those are a mix of locations. Mids. N.west. Mostly London.
Tbh, I meant jobs in general. Having an abundance of job vacancies is only beneficial if you have enough willing and trained people for those roles,
But the context if this thread is people facing increased costs.
The Boris response was work.
Now I’m playing devil’s advocate - as being a champagne socialist at heart - I’m with you that the answer to all ills is higher tax and handouts.
But: if I earn £500 a week and my bills go up ti £550. Getting a better paid job, or another part time job. Might help. And a buoyant job market (more demand than supply) helps those who have time to spend working surely? It would be far better than the converse of 3m unemployed and only 1m jobs surely?
The thread is in context of individual bill payers - not in the wider economic growth.
We're supposed to be upping our skills and wages. There’s NEVER been a better tike tondo that. Not in my near 1/2 century lifetime anyway.
"I partly agree, however , if it was that easy to get a better job I am sure everyone that is struggling would do that. Although there are plenty of job vacancies there is no evidence to suggest that they are better paid jobs than what people already have and getting extra work isn’t easy either, especially if you have a family and other responsibilities. I do hope wages go up but they will need to increase for everyone at an unprecedented rate for them to help with the current crisis | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
Sorry, did not fully answer your question. As for the backfill. Well that’s been the same since year dot someone moves. They get a promotion. Someone from their old org steps up, there’s a cascade etc. same as it ever was.
There are industries in decline and industries that are growing. People have transferable skills. Has this not been the way for years?
Or is your point that the work is maybe not in the same place as the people with bills to pay?
Most of these ‘new’ vacancies are in hospitality , care, agriculture , driving etc, usually low paid , long hours, physical work that won’t be attractive to a person already in a job unless they leave a similar job and that doesn’t solve the problem
And if the jobs go unfilled for a lengthy period if time - the private enterprises at least - will have to pony up. Or change their business model. Harder for the state run jobs though as they have to manage different rules.
Drivers you say. Were companies not offering much better wages to drivers recently. I’m sure it was all over the news as some might say "Yes they were and they still can’t fill the vacancies. I am keen for wages to increase but If we are not careful people will be leaving public sector jobs (nurses, police etc where wage increases have been pitiful ) to go to better paid ‘less skilful ‘ jobs just because of the money . | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
The ones I directly have are anywhere (in the world). The client roles - though Only have anecdotal Knowledge of those are a mix of locations. Mids. N.west. Mostly London.
Tbh, I meant jobs in general. Having an abundance of job vacancies is only beneficial if you have enough willing and trained people for those roles,
But the context if this thread is people facing increased costs.
The Boris response was work.
Now I’m playing devil’s advocate - as being a champagne socialist at heart - I’m with you that the answer to all ills is higher tax and handouts.
But: if I earn £500 a week and my bills go up ti £550. Getting a better paid job, or another part time job. Might help. And a buoyant job market (more demand than supply) helps those who have time to spend working surely? It would be far better than the converse of 3m unemployed and only 1m jobs surely?
The thread is in context of individual bill payers - not in the wider economic growth.
We're supposed to be upping our skills and wages. There’s NEVER been a better tike tondo that. Not in my near 1/2 century lifetime anyway.
I partly agree, however , if it was that easy to get a better job I am sure everyone that is struggling would do that. Although there are plenty of job vacancies there is no evidence to suggest that they are better paid jobs than what people already have and getting extra work isn’t easy either, especially if you have a family and other responsibilities. I do hope wages go up but they will need to increase for everyone at an unprecedented rate for them to help with the current crisis "You’re right. It is not easy. Damned hard work in fact. Certainly won’t be the answer for everyone. But it can work for some. Never said it was the answer for everyone. Bur at a time of unprecedented demand for staff (and skills) and a crunch shortage of some of these skills - then employers have to be a bit more flexible. Whether that flexibility is in terms of pay, location, experience or terms/conditions. For the short term however the tables have turned slightly. The ‘evidence’ you seek Might not be forthcoming at least not yet - but it is happening on the QT. I’m not encouraging blagging and downright lies, but if someone has genuine transferrable skills, a passion for a particular industry but no direct experience then NOW is the time to ‘chance your arm’ and give it a shot. That’s really point. It might not be easy. But it will certainly be easier than it was a few years ago, or will be in a couple of years from now. But anyway, people smart enough to figure this out themselves don’t need a dickhead like me telling them this. And those who need spoon feeding will only ever do the Oliver Twist. | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
Sorry, did not fully answer your question. As for the backfill. Well that’s been the same since year dot someone moves. They get a promotion. Someone from their old org steps up, there’s a cascade etc. same as it ever was.
There are industries in decline and industries that are growing. People have transferable skills. Has this not been the way for years?
Or is your point that the work is maybe not in the same place as the people with bills to pay?
Most of these ‘new’ vacancies are in hospitality , care, agriculture , driving etc, usually low paid , long hours, physical work that won’t be attractive to a person already in a job unless they leave a similar job and that doesn’t solve the problem
And if the jobs go unfilled for a lengthy period if time - the private enterprises at least - will have to pony up. Or change their business model. Harder for the state run jobs though as they have to manage different rules.
Drivers you say. Were companies not offering much better wages to drivers recently. I’m sure it was all over the news as some might say
Yes they were and they still can’t fill the vacancies. I am keen for wages to increase but If we are not careful people will be leaving public sector jobs (nurses, police etc where wage increases have been pitiful ) to go to better paid ‘less skilful ‘ jobs just because of the money . "Then let them. It is a free country. The Govt will then have to fix things. Nurses pay is woeful. At least for the juniors. Why should they hang about waiting? | |||
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"The seconds are ticking down to a mass realisation that the political class are robbing the state purse in broad daylight and keeping the electorate locked in a system of endless borrowing and debt. We live in a prison with no bars and work sets you free. arbeit macht frei " It'll never happen, the electorate are too compliant and malleable. | |||
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"Some lazy buggers around for sure." Because you support Johnsons position? | |||
"the taxpayer is currently paying to subsidise businesses who pay low wages via the in work benefit system amongst other things. this is just robbing peter to pay paul in reality and it's high time businesses should pay their own way in the world" But then the businesses would put their prices up to cover the additional wage costs and the people they pay still wouldn't be able to afford to live it's a vicious circle | |||
"Some lazy buggers around for sure." In Hastings? | |||
"Sure, why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
There are a record number of vacancies. Vacancies exceed jobless. Allegedly. I have 3 vacancies to fill right now. All paying more than enough that inflation and energy costs should not matter. Many of my clients have positions open too. The work is out there if you're willing to graft.
Are all these vacancies spread around the country? And if they are filled by people who are employed , who fills the jobs they have left ?
The ones I directly have are anywhere (in the world). The client roles - though Only have anecdotal Knowledge of those are a mix of locations. Mids. N.west. Mostly London.
Tbh, I meant jobs in general. Having an abundance of job vacancies is only beneficial if you have enough willing and trained people for those roles,
But the context if this thread is people facing increased costs.
The Boris response was work.
Now I’m playing devil’s advocate - as being a champagne socialist at heart - I’m with you that the answer to all ills is higher tax and handouts.
But: if I earn £500 a week and my bills go up ti £550. Getting a better paid job, or another part time job. Might help. And a buoyant job market (more demand than supply) helps those who have time to spend working surely? It would be far better than the converse of 3m unemployed and only 1m jobs surely?
The thread is in context of individual bill payers - not in the wider economic growth.
We're supposed to be upping our skills and wages. There’s NEVER been a better tike tondo that. Not in my near 1/2 century lifetime anyway.
I partly agree, however , if it was that easy to get a better job I am sure everyone that is struggling would do that. Although there are plenty of job vacancies there is no evidence to suggest that they are better paid jobs than what people already have and getting extra work isn’t easy either, especially if you have a family and other responsibilities. I do hope wages go up but they will need to increase for everyone at an unprecedented rate for them to help with the current crisis
You’re right. It is not easy. Damned hard work in fact. Certainly won’t be the answer for everyone. But it can work for some.
Never said it was the answer for everyone. Bur at a time of unprecedented demand for staff (and skills) and a crunch shortage of some of these skills - then employers have to be a bit more flexible. Whether that flexibility is in terms of pay, location, experience or terms/conditions. For the short term however the tables have turned slightly. The ‘evidence’ you seek
Might not be forthcoming at least not yet - but it is happening on the QT.
I’m not encouraging blagging and downright lies, but if someone has genuine transferrable skills, a passion for a particular industry but no direct experience then NOW is the time to ‘chance your arm’ and give it a shot. That’s really point. It might not be easy. But it will certainly be easier than it was a few years ago, or will be in a couple of years from now. But anyway, people smart enough to figure this out themselves don’t need a dickhead like me telling them this. And those who need spoon feeding will only ever do the Oliver Twist.
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"Some lazy buggers around for sure." Are there any statistics on how many are just lazy and how many simply are either incapable (physically or mentally) or unable (due to carer responsibilities) to actually work? From the many anecdotal conversations I’ve had with people who are close to the sharp end of benefits administration it appears that majority fall onto the latter two categories. Ignoring the benefits to those in work which is a separate conversation as they are evidently jot lazy as working (just not earning enough to live). Did hear one interesting story about a rather large lady who wanted to claim a benefit for someone to wipe her backside as she was unable to do it herself. But most of the anecdotes have been about people in poverty who just need a helping hand as any civilised society should. There will always be the exceptions that the Daily Mail will highlight. But are these really the bulk of cases? | |||
"Some lazy buggers around for sure." There are a lot of profiles on here with hands as their profile pic, they all seem to say the same thing , strange | |||
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"Some lazy buggers around for sure. Are there any statistics on how many are just lazy and how many simply are either incapable (physically or mentally) or unable (due to carer responsibilities) to actually work? From the many anecdotal conversations I’ve had with people who are close to the sharp end of benefits administration it appears that majority fall onto the latter two categories. Ignoring the benefits to those in work which is a separate conversation as they are evidently jot lazy as working (just not earning enough to live). Did hear one interesting story about a rather large lady who wanted to claim a benefit for someone to wipe her backside as she was unable to do it herself. But most of the anecdotes have been about people in poverty who just need a helping hand as any civilised society should. There will always be the exceptions that the Daily Mail will highlight. But are these really the bulk of cases? " Was the pun intentional
Large lady, wipe backside, helping hand? | |||
"I'd say between 1/4 and 1/3 of people in UK are quite or very lazy. On the other hand those do who work hard, work very hard." 98% of statistics are made up | |||
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"So the Daily Heil is lamenting the waste of good fruit and veg not being picked on British farms because “75% of fruit pickers didn’t turn up”. Let that sink in for a minute. Apart from the Brexit related irony that is so obvious, the Heil is implying that the fruit pickers let the farms down. How dare they “not show up”. Like, why haven’t they battled the visa requirements and come to the UK to do several weeks of back breaking work? It’s not as if they can get similar work somewhere in the EU is it...oh! Twats! Looking forward to the Brexit voters stepping up. Don’t they know there is a war on? And a cost of living crisis! Time to do their bit and show why we don’t need foreign workers over here (not) taking our jobs! "Is the Mail not simply doing its job to spin the negative outcome and shift the blame? Complete horseshit, bit the readers are all savvy enough to see this right? | |||
"So the Daily Heil is lamenting the waste of good fruit and veg not being picked on British farms because “75% of fruit pickers didn’t turn up”. Let that sink in for a minute. Apart from the Brexit related irony that is so obvious, the Heil is implying that the fruit pickers let the farms down. How dare they “not show up”. Like, why haven’t they battled the visa requirements and come to the UK to do several weeks of back breaking work? It’s not as if they can get similar work somewhere in the EU is it...oh! Twats! Looking forward to the Brexit voters stepping up. Don’t they know there is a war on? And a cost of living crisis! Time to do their bit and show why we don’t need foreign workers over here (not) taking our jobs!
Is the Mail not simply doing its job to spin the negative outcome and shift the blame? Complete horseshit, bit the readers are all savvy enough to see this right? "*sigh* based on a few folks in these forums I’d say no! The usual commentary is all over it too with people saying the unemployed should made to do it in return for keeping their benefits. On the surface that will sound logical to many. Until you point out that most of the unemployed live nowhere near the farms! That these farms provide “accommodation” for the pickers (deducted from their wages) but how will that work for parents living hundreds of miles away? | |||
"I'd say between 1/4 and 1/3 of people in UK are quite or very lazy. On the other hand those do who work hard, work very hard. 98% of statistics are made up" At least. | |||
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"So the Daily Heil is lamenting the waste of good fruit and veg not being picked on British farms because “75% of fruit pickers didn’t turn up”. Let that sink in for a minute. Apart from the Brexit related irony that is so obvious, the Heil is implying that the fruit pickers let the farms down. How dare they “not show up”. Like, why haven’t they battled the visa requirements and come to the UK to do several weeks of back breaking work? It’s not as if they can get similar work somewhere in the EU is it...oh! Twats! Looking forward to the Brexit voters stepping up. Don’t they know there is a war on? And a cost of living crisis! Time to do their bit and show why we don’t need foreign workers over here (not) taking our jobs!
Is the Mail not simply doing its job to spin the negative outcome and shift the blame? Complete horseshit, bit the readers are all savvy enough to see this right?
*sigh* based on a few folks in these forums I’d say no!
The usual commentary is all over it too with people saying the unemployed should made to do it in return for keeping their benefits.
On the surface that will sound logical to many. Until you point out that most of the unemployed live nowhere near the farms! That these farms provide “accommodation” for the pickers (deducted from their wages) but how will that work for parents living hundreds of miles away?"Let the fruit rot. (Failure) Prices will skyrocket for the limited yield. The pickers wages will go up based on higher sale prices. (Market adjustment) Fewer will be planted next year so fewer crop pickers needed. (Market participant adjustment) Etc etc. Those who cannot afford the crop will have to diversify, adapt accordingly. Is this not the nature of capitalism? Surely the freedom to do this is what was voted for? In the long term there will be less food waste and higher returns for all involved in the domestic growing business? | |||
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" Let the fruit rot. (Failure) Prices will skyrocket for the limited yield. The pickers wages will go up based on higher sale prices. (Market adjustment) Fewer will be planted next year so fewer crop pickers needed. (Market participant adjustment) Etc etc. Those who cannot afford the crop will have to diversify, adapt accordingly. Is this not the nature of capitalism? Surely the freedom to do this is what was voted for? In the long term there will be less food waste and higher returns for all involved in the domestic growing business? " Farms already investing in automated picking tech. I bet in 10 years it will do most of the work. | |||
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" Let the fruit rot. (Failure) Prices will skyrocket for the limited yield. The pickers wages will go up based on higher sale prices. (Market adjustment) Fewer will be planted next year so fewer crop pickers needed. (Market participant adjustment) Etc etc. Those who cannot afford the crop will have to diversify, adapt accordingly. Is this not the nature of capitalism? Surely the freedom to do this is what was voted for? In the long term there will be less food waste and higher returns for all involved in the domestic growing business? Farms already investing in automated picking tech. I bet in 10 years it will do most of the work." Robocrop?
(Stolen, can’t take credit for the pun) | |||
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"I don't think I know any Daily Mail readers who aren't either grafters or retired after working hard all their life. I guess it's not a paper for the feckless." Perhaps but it is certainly a rag to fool the gullible! | |||
"I don't think I know any Daily Mail readers who aren't either grafters or retired after working hard all their life. I guess it's not a paper for the feckless. Perhaps but it is certainly a rag to fool the gullible!" One can be a grafter and still be below par in the cognitive department. Principle and discipline does not require a high IQ. Trigger after all used the same broom for 25 years of hard work! | |||
" Let the fruit rot. (Failure) Prices will skyrocket for the limited yield. The pickers wages will go up based on higher sale prices. (Market adjustment) Fewer will be planted next year so fewer crop pickers needed. (Market participant adjustment) Etc etc. Those who cannot afford the crop will have to diversify, adapt accordingly. Is this not the nature of capitalism? Surely the freedom to do this is what was voted for? In the long term there will be less food waste and higher returns for all involved in the domestic growing business? Farms already investing in automated picking tech. I bet in 10 years it will do most of the work. Robocrop?
(Stolen, can’t take credit for the pun) "Very good nonetheless  | |||
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"I don't think I know any Daily Mail readers who aren't either grafters or retired after working hard all their life. I guess it's not a paper for the feckless." It is a paper for the witless | |||
"I'd say between 1/4 and 1/3 of people in UK are quite or very lazy. On the other hand those do who work hard, work very hard." Do you have a special ‘lazyometer’ that measures this? | |||
"23 million people (DWP website) are claiming a combination of benefits/pay. So there are clearly issues around low pay/ cost of living. " A small proportion of that 23 million are complete spongers who make it hard for everyone else. Another portion of that 23 million think SKY, Netflix, 2 packs of fags a day, the newest phone, 6 kids 6 hours a day screentime and an eat out lifestyle is a right not something that has to be earned. The rest I genuinely feel sorry for. | |||
"I don't think I know any Daily Mail readers who aren't either grafters or retired after working hard all their life. I guess it's not a paper for the feckless." I’ve come to the conclusion buying any of the rags is feckless ! | |||
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"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia. "A lot of industries don't put people on the books and cover pension contributions, holiday pay, sick pay etc. It's not limited to agriculture. | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia. "It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!! | |||
"I don't think I know any Daily Mail readers who aren't either grafters or retired after working hard all their life. I guess it's not a paper for the feckless." Lolz. The comedy on here is great. | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!"What does a ‘real days work’ look like?? | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!
What does a ‘real days work’ look like??"Sanding on the cliffs of Dover dressed as Alan Partridge, with a pair of binoculars. | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!"Half of them are on Fab all day, chatting and wanking instead of grafting! Then they wonder why they can't afford a new i-Phone. | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!
Half of them are on Fab all day, chatting and wanking instead of grafting! Then they wonder why they can't afford a new i-Phone. "Ha, if you try harder , one day you might get to meet someone off here | |||
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"If Brexit achieved at least one decent thing, it discouraged many tens of thousands of overseas staff to seek work in their own countries, shrinking the labour market, and driving up demand for staff and thus increasing their wages. From an anarcho-capitalist perspective, those who voted for Brexit have actually done more for workers wages (which is the new "sovereignty") than decades of trade unionism could ever have hope to achieve. Thank you Brexiters ! Your socialism via Brexit has empowered a significant part of the population and forever changed the business landscape, shifting the scales more in the employee's favour than the underlying business. Welcome to the new normal. " Indeed. It was discussed at length on a thread recently. Time will tell if the wage growth materialises though. So far the biggest winners have been the high earning who’s increased rates have outstripped inflation. The lower earners have not even kept up with the cost of living so far so are actually worse off in real terms. So far anyway. | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!
What does a ‘real days work’ look like??"When you have done one you will know... | |||
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"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!
What does a ‘real days work’ look like??
When you have done one you will know..."Piss poor reply, try again? What is a ‘real days work’? | |||
"All this high skill high pay jobs and work is the way out is just empty soundbites. Fact is this crisis was always going to come after more than a decade of austerity, pay freezes/below inflation wage rises. I've seen my own wage stifled by 32% in that time. I should be earning £600 more per month than I do now if my wage had increased as it should have. The cost of living has risen at its normal pace but wages haven't. There was always going to be a breaking point and we are here now. We are pretty much fucked with millions facing ruin through absolutely no fault of their own regardless of the Tories trying to tell them otherwise." Globalisation plays some part in that. As does the crony capitalism / corporate welfare model we have in the UK. But even if tax system and companies “played fair” - lower wages are NEVER going to catch up. There are simply too many pressures from global arbitrage and the march of automation. Upskilling is the only way to stay afloat or ride the tide. And not everyone can, sadly cope with that. Hence why there’s so much in work benefit (in part). | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!
What does a ‘real days work’ look like??
When you have done one you will know...
Piss poor reply, try again? What is a ‘real days work’? "What can I say? If you don’t know you have never done one. I know first hand if 100 Brit’s are recruited for fruit or veg harvesting roles only 70 bother to turn up, 10 more quit before starting and 1/2 of those that start are exhausted and quit by lunchtime. I have absolute respect for those that do those roles, they are tougher than me I know! | |||
"i doubt people are willing to work in crop picking these days when the majority of fruit picking businesses aren't willing to employ people properly on the books. the standard benefits of having your NI paid and pension contributions etc as is the norm in other sectors will be far more enticing than poorly paid piece work in the middle of nowhere in east anglia.
It’s not the money, majority of brits are simply too soft to put in a real days work!!
What does a ‘real days work’ look like??
When you have done one you will know...
Piss poor reply, try again? What is a ‘real days work’?
What can I say? If you don’t know you have never done one. I know first hand if 100 Brit’s are recruited for fruit or veg harvesting roles only 70 bother to turn up, 10 more quit before starting and 1/2 of those that start are exhausted and quit by lunchtime. I have absolute respect for those that do those roles, they are tougher than me I know!"Fair enough, I have to agree, it must be very hard work, hopefully we can get people from other countries to fill these roles. Btw, I work smart not hard | |||
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"He wouldn’t know a days work if it slapped him in the face hahaha" He got a new job ^ | |||
